[05:39] <jussi> Morning all
[05:47] <shadeslayer> moin jussi 
[05:47] <jussi> Gday shadeslayer. everything still works after wake up from sleep - I am happy :D
[05:48] <shadeslayer> :-)
[05:48] <shadeslayer> I don't want to get up, this bed is so warm
[05:48] <jussi> awww
[06:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: have you had a look where to go out for dinner ?
[07:17] <ScottK> svorela will tell us.
[07:25] <shadeslayer> hah
[07:25] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.kde.org/reports.cgi?product=telepathy&datasets=UNCONFIRMED&datasets=NEW&datasets=ASSIGNED&datasets=REOPENED&datasets=RESOLVED&datasets=NEEDSINFO&datasets=VERIFIED&datasets=CLOSED
[07:40] <agateau> tsdgeos: ping
[07:40] <tsdgeos> agateau: hi
[07:41] <agateau> tsdgeos: hi, colors in okular from master are inverted when reading a pdf, is this a known bug?
[07:41] <tsdgeos> is it a pebkac?
[07:41] <tsdgeos> :D
[07:41] <tsdgeos> i mean there's a "invert colors" option
[07:41] <tsdgeos> is it checked?
[07:41] <agateau> oh
[07:41]  * agateau checks
[07:41] <tsdgeos> question is
[07:42] <tsdgeos> did you remember checkin it?
[07:42] <tsdgeos> we did a settings migration
[07:42] <tsdgeos> maybe it was broken when that happened
[07:42] <agateau> ah right
[07:42] <agateau> fixed now, sorry :)
[07:42]  * agateau blames the migration :)
[07:42] <tsdgeos> agateau: thing is, if you don't remember even setting something wrong might be there in code
[07:43] <tsdgeos> agateau: could you open a bug so i can have  a look at it sometime in the future?
[07:43] <agateau> I didn't know this option existed so I don't think I ever checked it
[07:43] <tsdgeos> ah wait
[07:43] <tsdgeos> are you using "very new kdelibs"?
[07:43] <tsdgeos> because there was a bug in the kdelibs settings migrator
[07:43] <tsdgeos> that i fixed along the okular migration code
[07:43] <tsdgeos> if you are using just 4.9 that might be it
[07:43] <agateau> I am using the KDE/4.9 branch
[07:44] <agateau> ah right, I saw your rr on kconfig_updater
[07:44] <agateau> could be the problem indeed
[07:54] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: btw, do most of the establishments in CPH accept swipe only cards? ( the one without a chip )
[07:54] <tsdgeos> shadeslayer: only have a card with chip, so can't really tell
[07:54] <jussi> its amazing how one tiny missing feature can make or break your experience of an application
[07:54] <shadeslayer> ... durrr
[07:54] <tsdgeos> only used the card to pay for the metro ticket
[07:56] <shadeslayer> hmm .. will probably take out some cash at the airport then
[07:56] <shadeslayer> I have like 30 EUR at home :P
[07:58] <tsdgeos> shadeslayer: they don't use EUR here ;-)
[07:58] <shadeslayer> absolutely no EUR? drat
[07:59] <mikhas> you can easily pay with EUR at CPH airport
[08:00] <shadeslayer> " Adoption of the euro is favoured by the major political parties, however a 2000 referendum on joining the Eurozone was defeated with 46.8% voting yes and 53.2% voting no"
[08:03] <shadeslayer> as long as the ATM machine accepts my card, I should be fine
[08:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can't say I've looked into places to eat no
[08:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: mind and tell your bank you're going abroad so it doesn't get blocked
[08:28] <shadeslayer> good point
[08:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can I give you £ for the stickers and you give the guy who got them ₹?
[08:31] <shadeslayer> sure
[08:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can you remember how much?
[08:31] <shadeslayer> 1500 INR
[08:31] <Riddell> groovy
[08:56] <Riddell> uds-announce is getting less announcey
[08:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ScottK https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WNxC_W376qIbjxAXs90ZT-obcIh7oD5DG26v9onkn18/edit#
[08:56] <shadeslayer> yeah 
[09:00] <shadeslayer> good thing there's a tipping section in that document, I feel awkward when trying to calculate tips
[09:07] <Tm_T> any plans to rally together on sunday?
[09:08] <shadeslayer> I'm going hiking most of the day, would be awesome to meetup in the evening ( as well? )
[09:08] <Tm_T> well I will most likely be in the venue on sunday after 1900
[09:09] <Tm_T> so 2000 meeting would be nice
[09:09] <Tm_T> I assume at that point most of us should be there
[09:35] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: btw any plans for dinner on the 27th?
[09:47] <tsdgeos> not from my side
[09:55] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: okay, I'll be checking in at around 8, can we meetup and go for dinner somewhere?
[09:58] <tsdgeos> on saturday?
[09:59] <tsdgeos> my plan was being in the city center
[10:00] <tsdgeos> since there's nothing around the hotel
[10:00] <tsdgeos> back later
[10:00] <shadeslayer> yeah
[11:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: all new digikam in precise-proposed again
[12:04] <shadeslayer> ohai queuebot
[12:04] <shadeslayer> erm
[12:04] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: 
[12:15] <apachelogger> queuebot: you are Quintasan? :O
[12:17] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: what
[12:17] <Quintasan> apachelogger: No, you are.
[12:18]  * Quintasan herby designates apachelogger as queuebot
[12:18] <Quintasan> I have successfuly launched my washing machine, nothing exploded
[12:18] <shadeslayer> haha
[12:19] <apachelogger> \o/
[12:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bug 1013442 is not fixed :O
[12:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Any experience with QGst?
[12:19] <apachelogger> no
[12:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: aye :(
[12:19] <shadeslayer> drat
[12:19] <Quintasan> shadeslayer, apachelogger: How many EUROZZZ do you take to Denmark?
[12:19] <Quintasan> wait
[12:19] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I have 30 EUR
[12:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I took the liberty of social engineering that bug for you
[12:20] <shadeslayer> Will take out 400 DKK at Airport
[12:20] <apachelogger> master sune will try to convince the other folks that debian to promote it to recommends
[12:20] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ~80 EUR?
[12:20] <apachelogger> if that has not happened until next week you can nag him next week
[12:20] <apachelogger> next week I say
[12:20]  * apachelogger needs coffee or something
[12:20] <shadeslayer> very well :P
[12:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I'll just get him drunk and get him to fix it in debian
[12:21] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I take 0 eurozz
[12:21] <apachelogger> err
[12:21] <apachelogger> queuebot: I take 0 eurozz
[12:21] <Quintasan> You're not going, are you?
[12:21] <apachelogger> indeed
[12:22] <shadeslayer> meh, I'll just use int's instead of enums for now
[12:23] <apachelogger> wise choice
[12:23] <apachelogger> but why?
[12:23] <shadeslayer> no idea how to pass GST_VIDEO_FLIP_METHOD_HORIZ to QGst::ElementPtr::setProperty
[12:24] <shadeslayer> it's a Enum that Gst defines
[12:24] <shadeslayer> and the other solution I could come up with was to redefine the enum in my Code
[12:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/580952/
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:26] <shadeslayer> Hi BluesKaj
[12:27] <BluesKaj> hey shadeslayer 
[12:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: where is that an enum function?
[12:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-good-plugins/html/gst-plugins-good-plugins-videoflip.html#GstVideoFlipMethod
[12:28] <shadeslayer> and see line 12
[12:29] <apachelogger> cast to int
[12:29] <shadeslayer> hm?
[12:30] <apachelogger> http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/qt-gstreamer/html/classQGlib_1_1ObjectBase.html#aa2c298b4f7a93345bd68f7101323c01d
[12:30] <apachelogger> either you properly wrap it in that value bugger or cast the enum to int
[12:31] <apachelogger> (not sure that it will know what to do with the int property)
[12:35] <shadeslayer> heh kopete upstream on kubuntu-devel xD
[12:38] <apachelogger> lol, upstream?
[12:39] <apachelogger> mcmi, clmi, scaa, ghu, itdndt
[12:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wanna sru that?
[12:43] <shadeslayer> I haz ktp meeting later on and I want to finalize packing tomorrow, so maybe on Monday sometime during UDS?
[12:44] <apachelogger> ulazy :P
[12:45] <apachelogger> look at all the SRU I do
[12:45] <shadeslayer> oic
[12:45] <shadeslayer> plz2do KDevelop SRU as well then :P
[12:45]  * apachelogger needs to prep phonon releasery though
[12:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is still not done? :O
[12:45] <shadeslayer> nope, don't we want to fix that in raring first?
[12:46] <apachelogger> seeing as raring is not open... no
[12:46] <shadeslayer> won't that cause a bit of a disconnect when raring opens? raring will have KDevelop 4 RC while Quantal has final release?
[12:46] <shadeslayer> or will LP simply copy over Quantal stuff into Raring for now
[13:01] <Mamarok> do we still ship kopete?
[13:02] <Mamarok> as default I mean
[13:03]  * Mamarok thought we would use ktp now
[13:05] <shadeslayer> we do
[13:05] <shadeslayer> but not as default
[13:07] <apachelogger> we did in precise
[13:09] <shadeslayer> pft precise
[13:09] <shadeslayer> even then, we should obviously SRU the patch 
[13:10]  * apachelogger SRUs shadeslayer
[13:10]  * shadeslayer uploads self to -proposed
[14:02] <apachelogger> anyone with unity around?
[14:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ktp meeting in #kde-telepathy
[14:49] <shadeslayer> any downstream issues to bring up?
[14:50] <Riddell> hum, I seem to remember having something but I don't remember what
[15:26] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: what do you need?
[15:27] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: a screenshot of the about ubuntu dialog thingy would be nice
[15:27] <apachelogger> also on a general note ... about KDE is slightly broken WRT layout
[15:27] <tsdgeos> about ubuntu?
[15:27] <tsdgeos> what's that?
[15:28] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: what you mean "kde is broken?"
[15:28] <apachelogger> I mean "about X"
[15:28] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[15:29] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/10/25/plasma-desktopMk1577.png
[15:29] <apachelogger> that also shows part of the brokeneness in "about kde"
[15:29] <apachelogger> if you resize the window you can also make the titlelabel overlap with the left hand icon
[15:29] <tsdgeos> sure
[15:29] <tsdgeos> that's been there forever
[15:30] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: "about X" in which app?
[15:30] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: there should be an app "about ubuntu"
[15:30] <apachelogger> or perhaps they removed it... back in gnome2 it was an entry in the panel somewhere
[15:31] <tsdgeos> ah
[15:31] <tsdgeos> you mean "about this computer"
[15:31] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: http://imgur.com/Stfum ?
[15:32] <apachelogger> ah yes, thanks
[15:32] <apachelogger> makes me think that perhaps we need a simple KInfoCenter version
[15:32] <apachelogger> bug 215383
[15:33] <shadeslayer> KInfoCenter is a usability nightmare
[15:33] <apachelogger> well
[15:33] <apachelogger> whatyagonna do :P
[15:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6PZhONZ3Ac
[15:34] <apachelogger> actually let me rephrase my original statement... what we need is KCMs and an app and the KCMs also appear in KInfoCenter :P
[15:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: good luck with that
[15:35] <shadeslayer> I meant, *you* fix it
[15:35] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:35] <apachelogger> actually the KIC summary kcm really needs fixing
[15:35] <apachelogger> it does not use LSB stuff so it knows no nothing about the distribution
[15:35] <shadeslayer> "loads"
[15:35] <shadeslayer> Hahaha
[15:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, I don't fix other peoples code
[15:35] <apachelogger> I redo it :P
[15:36] <Riddell> Tm_T: anything you want to discuss at UDS?
[15:39] <Riddell> SteveRiley: likewise?
[19:27] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1071453] Dolphin doesn't store samba share password @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1071453 (by Pascal Korz)
[19:46] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1066892] initial power profiles do not use suspend support @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1066892 (by Harald Sitter)
[20:13] <shadeslayer> ScottK: someone in #kubuntu is asking why we have so much bureaucracy surrounding SRU's :P
[20:14] <ScottK> You mean wanting them reviewed and tested?
[20:14] <ScottK> The idea is that after release we need to be really careful not to make things worse.
[20:14] <shadeslayer> wanting them first released in current devel/stable and then backporting them to other releases
 Can't you just put every fix into a release and reject everything which doesn't work?
 And if you absolutely have to test before you have any confidence whether it works, perhaps add more static types such that you don't have to guess?
[20:15] <shadeslayer> I'm too tired to answer coherently
[20:17] <ScottK> For a bit of a history lesson, the current policy came about in reaction to the bad update described here:
[20:17] <ScottK> http://ubuntudemon.wordpress.com/2006/08/22/latest-dapper-xserver-xorg-upgrade-might-break-the-xserver/
[20:18] <ScottK> Basically we broke the world on a post-release update.
[20:18] <ScottK> The first devel release policy is to make sure that it doesn't get forgotten.
[20:19] <ScottK> That's happened before too.
[20:19] <ScottK> We have relaxed that somewhat to allow for zero day SRUs and such.
[20:19] <shadeslayer> ScottK: btw bug 1071453
[20:19] <ScottK> Is there a fix for it?
[20:19] <shadeslayer> yep
[20:19] <shadeslayer> it's fixed in 4.9.3
[20:19] <shadeslayer> but
[20:19] <shadeslayer> I would like to get it into precise
[20:19] <ScottK> OK.
[20:20] <ScottK> We can do an SRU for that in precise.
[20:20] <shadeslayer> since 4.9.3 will eventually be released in a couple of weeks, can I go ahead and prepare a SRU for precise?
[20:20] <shadeslayer> awesome
[20:20] <ScottK> Yes.
[20:20] <ScottK> Can you look at kdepimlibs for precise too.
[20:20] <shadeslayer> will do
[20:20] <shadeslayer> though not before Monday
[20:21] <ScottK> shadeslayer: for pimlibs it's KDE Bug#691373.  pinotree already backported the fix in the 4.8 branch.
[20:21] <shadeslayer> ah cool
[20:33] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1071453] Dolphin doesn't store samba share password @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1071453 (by Pascal Korz)
[20:48] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1066892] initial power profiles do not use suspend support @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1066892 (by Harald Sitter)
[21:40] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1071453] Dolphin doesn't store samba share password @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1071453 (by Pascal Korz)