[00:10] <b4dave> Hey guys. I am new to the fourms and thought I would say hi.
[00:12] <simplew> how can i have icons in the desktop, the computer, user and network icons?
[00:15] <SIR_Taco_> simplew: right-click on the desktop -> change "Layout" to "Default Desktop"
[00:16] <SIR_Taco_> er, sorry Folder View
[01:03] <xixor> hi
[01:17] <deitarion> Oh, good god! Somehow kubuntu-desktop wrecked my GTK+ button order too!
[01:27] <SIR_Taco_>  deitarion: no options in System Settings -> Application Appearance -> Gtk Configuration?
[01:28] <deitarion> SIR_Taco_:  I had to remove kde-config-gtk because, even when I copied my font-hinting and font choices from LXDE's appearance controls into SystemSettings, Firefox ignored them.
[01:29] <deitarion> As soon as I went `sudo apt-get purge kde-config-gtk` and hit F5, my browser fonts were back to being comfortable.
[01:30] <SIR_Taco_> deitarion: the Gtk font settings in the configuration didn't help?
[01:30] <deitarion> SIR_Taco_: It only let me specify one font. Somehow, kde-config-gtk completely changed how Firefox resolved both "sans-serif" and "monospace" to give me something much uglier.
[01:32] <deitarion> At the moment, I'm trying to figure out whether it's Kubuntu's fault or Firefox's fault that the update I just applied coincided with the background on my awesomebar completion drop-down going from white to gray.
[01:32] <SIR_Taco_> deitarion: it's probably removing kde-config-gtk that did that
[01:33] <deitarion> SIR_Taco_: OK, then I have to remove ALL of kubuntu-desktop (or worse, reinstall from the LiveCD) to restore the white background on an LXDE desktop with a handful of KDE apps like I used to have?
[01:35] <SIR_Taco_> deitarion: you're using LXDE or KDE?
[01:35] <deitarion> SIR_Taco_: I'm running Lubuntu. Most of this nonsense happened automatically without even logging out when I ran `sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop`
[01:36] <deitarion> That is, I'm running the "Lubuntu" session, not the bare, un-tweaked LXDE one.
[01:36] <deitarion> ...and I haven't logged out since apt-getting kubuntu-desktop. Everything started messing up the instant it was installed.
[01:37] <deitarion> Given that Firefox is the only app thatforcing KDE buton
[01:37] <deitarion> Ugh.
[01:37] <deitarion> Given that Firefox is the only app that's forcing KDE button order on its GTK+ Open/Save dialogs, I get the impression that the mis-colored drop-down is Firefox's impression of QGtkStyle's impression of my GTK color scheme.
[01:38] <SIR_Taco_> ok... so you want to use KDE? or you installed Kubuntu-Desktop package in order to use some KDE programs?
[01:39] <deitarion> SIR_Taco_: I was already using all the KDE programs I wanted. I installed kubuntu-desktop so that, when I can spare a few hours, I can give KWin and Plasma a second chance since the KWin devs are the only guys who have committed to forcing server-side window decorations on windows when distros start to switch to Wayland.
[01:40] <SIR_Taco_> oh ok
[01:40] <SIR_Taco_> does LXDE not have a gtk config? (haven't used it in years)
[01:41] <deitarion> SIR_Taco_: It does but KDE's overrides it.
[01:41] <deitarion> Sort of like how, when you've got gnome-settings-daemon running, GTK+ ignores the contents of your config files.
[01:43] <SIR_Taco_> ok I see
[01:45] <deitarion> That's what I meant when I said that simply installing it messed things up. As soon as I launched a KDE application (even one that had been installed all along), it propagated a chain reaction which ended with existing GTK+ apps receiving a change-of-settings message and applying the new KDE-originated theming settings.
[01:47] <SIR_Taco_> deitarion: what about moving your .kde folder?
[01:48] <deitarion> SIR_Taco_: How would that help? It'd just reset my K3b settings and restore KDE to default Kubuntu behaviours... which are what I'm trying to kill off in favor of the Lubuntu look and feel they're trying to override.
[01:49] <deitarion> Remember, the fundamental problem is that Kubuntu defaults are overriding Lubuntu defaults even when I'm logged into Lubuntu but I don't like the Kubuntu look and feel.
[01:51] <deitarion> I get the impression I'm probably going to have to remove kubuntu-desktop and everything it pulled, block off some time during my winter break, and dive into the Qt and Firefox source code to figure out what precendence rules they're applying and how, and then write a patch, plugin, or config tweak to un-break things.
[01:51] <deitarion> s/pulled/pulled in/
[01:53] <liquidsn0w> Hi, is anyone else missing the appearance module in settings?
[01:53] <SIR_Taco_> yea, I don't know... not sure why firefox would pick the KDE settings over the LXDE ones
[02:01] <xixor> yo, anyone familliar with port forwarding?  I'm on my kubuntu desktop machine, which runs windows 7 in a virtualbox VM.  I want to forward any activity on port 3389 (windows RDP) coming at the kubuntu desktop, to the Windows 7 VM, which has it's own IP address
[02:02] <deitarion> SIR_Taco_: Probably some half-assed attempt to "Just Work™" with the user's desktop settings.
[02:02] <xixor> I thought  ssh -L 3389:10.0.1.12:3389  10.0.1.12  would do it, but that's not it
[02:04] <SIR_Taco_> xixor: http://www.debianadmin.com/howto-use-ssh-local-and-remote-port-forwarding.html
[02:04] <xixor> Yep, that's exactly the doc I am working from trying to figure this out
[02:06] <xixor> I guess it only works if the thing on the other end is an ssh server
[02:07] <liquidsn0w> need a little help, somehow I'm missing the options in system settings for changing wallpapers
[02:07] <liquidsn0w> on 12.12
[02:07] <liquidsn0w> sorry 12.10
[02:09] <SIR_Taco_> liquidsn0w: right click on the desktop and select "default desktop settings"
[02:10] <liquidsn0w> :| didn't try that I was worried it would reset everything
[02:10] <liquidsn0w> thanks
[04:05] <bjrohan> How do you adjust your microphone volume in Kubuntu. I see a Kmix, but when I click on it, it only tries to start, I get the icon, I get it to show in my taskbar, but it never starts, never throws a problem warning. I have reinstalled the package, and still no go
[04:38] <Obsidian1723> Libreoffice wont run all of a sudden, most odd. I've done sudo apt-get install -f along with clean, autoremove, update, upgrade, no difference.
[04:39] <avihay> Obsidian1723: try running it from a terminal (it's called soffice, I think) it might provide you with more info
[04:41] <Obsidian1723> actually that didnt work, but I think I resolved it.
[05:05] <uwe> moin
[05:11] <bjrohan> How in Kwin does one decrease the volume input of a microphone?
[05:12] <bjrohan> rather phonon audio control
[05:12] <bjrohan> I am trying to record, but it comes across too loud
[05:13] <bjrohan> Anyone here by chance?
[05:31] <Damianite> fluffy
[06:03] <tomas_> hi all
[06:03] <tomas_> I am running Ubuntu Server 12.10 x64 with KDE installed. I am trying to play a facebook game but flash does not run. I have installed the flash player plugin for mozilla firefox
[06:04] <tomas_> but still no luck
[06:06] <DarthFrog> Why server?
[06:07] <tomas_> its my web server but my PC crashed the other day and this is what i am left with
[06:07] <DarthFrog> How did you install KDE?
[06:08] <tomas_> sudo apt-get kde-full
[06:08] <DarthFrog> Try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:08] <tomas_> did that as well
[06:09] <DarthFrog> What does "dpkg --list | grep flash" tell you?
[06:10] <tomas_> ii Kwordquiz 4:4.9.2-0ubuntu1 amd64 flashcard learning program for KDE
[06:11] <DarthFrog> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[06:17] <tomas_> installin
[06:18] <tomas_> that did it thanks
[06:18] <DarthFrog> You're welcome.
[06:39] <ovidiu-florin> hello, how can I rearange the Launchers in the TaskManager on a panel?
[06:40] <Smurphy> Morning ...
[06:48] <lordievader> Hey Smurphy, how are you?
[06:51] <Smurphy> Fine ... but sick ... Just working - as usual ...
[06:51] <Smurphy> :}
[06:53] <lordievader> Smurphy: Sick and working? That is not a good combination...
[07:03] <basil1x> I have an odd error after upgrading to 12.10.  I have both Kubuntu and Ubuntu desktops installed.  When I insert a blank DVD in Kubuntu, all is well, but when I insert one in Ubuntu, it says 'location already mounted'.
[07:04] <lordievader> basil1x: Isn't that what Ubuntu does? Automatically mount such things?
[07:05] <basil1x> But it's claiming it can't mount it because the location is already mounted
[07:06] <basil1x> it only happens with blank discs, and only since upgrading this afternoon.
[07:09] <basil1x> I realise the Ubuntu room might be a better place to ask, since that's where the error crops up, but there are over 1600 people in there, and when I asked I was ignored
[07:10] <lordievader> basil1x: Have patience, and ask again later.
[07:10] <basil1x> there's never less than 1000 people there
[07:10] <basil1x> there are no similar errors in the fora
[07:24] <noaXess> morning folks
[07:24] <noaXess> how to get the file assisication config of a given file via console? not over system settings ;)
[07:28] <shadeslayer> noaXess: it's stored in .local/share/applications/mimeapps.list if that's what you meant
[07:29] <noaXess> shadeslayer: got i: xdg-mime query filetype test.html and then xdg-mime query default text/html
[07:29] <shadeslayer> ahh ok
[08:13] <marcus_> yoyo, is it ok to post lubuntu questions here?
[10:36] <DemonWitch> hey
[10:36] <DemonWitch> if i want to upgrade a single package how i do it?
[10:36] <DemonWitch> like apt-get upgrade gedit
[10:36] <DemonWitch> and i want to avoid huge 500mb upgrades
[10:37] <DemonWitch> just get the last version of gedit
[10:37] <lordievader> DemonWitch: I believe running sudo apt-get install gedit, would update gedit.
[10:38] <DemonWitch> lordievader, if i want run a search for gedit
[10:38] <DemonWitch> do i have to use aptitude?
[10:38] <DemonWitch> like aptitude search gedit
[10:38] <gorffy> apt-cache search gedit
[10:38] <lordievader> DemonWitch: You can, but you can still use apt: sudo apt-cache search <term>
[10:38] <shadeslayer> lordievader: no need for sudo :)
[10:39] <lordievader> shadeslayer: Ok, good :)
[10:40] <DemonWitch> lordievader, this searches only the cache?
[10:40] <DemonWitch> so i need to do apt-get update first?
[10:40] <lordievader> DemonWitch: Yes.
[10:41] <DemonWitch> is any of those searches
[10:41] <DemonWitch> more informative/better to use?
[10:42] <lordievader> DemonWitch: The apt-cache show <pkg> commands shows you heaps of info.
[10:44] <DemonWitch> nice
[10:46] <lordievader> Apt is a very good program :)
[10:46] <DemonWitch> yeah
[11:12] <PsynoKhi0> hi, it's fairly realistic to expect a Radeon X1200 running the Gallium drivers to handle Kwin compositing smoothly in Kubuntu 12.04, right?
[12:04] <ilias> i installed to a friend's old notebook (acer travelmate with cpu 3ghz and 750 ram) xubuntu 12.04. Everything to be running smoothly, but very often the system freezes during internet browsing (using either Mozilla or Crome) and the only way to re-start is to click to power on/off button. Any idea? Is it a distro's issue or is it a harware problem?
[12:05] <bazhang> looks like a ram limitation. perhaps try lubuntu
[12:05] <bazhang> !lubuntu | ilias
[12:05] <bazhang> install lubuntu-desktop and then login with that choice
[12:20] <ilias> bazhang: i will follow your advise first just to see how it works and if everything is ok i will try a fresh installation.
[12:25] <ilias> okey guys. thank you for your advises. i quit for now.
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:42] <Solak> Hello.
[12:42] <xixor> hi
[12:43]  * Solak wonders why portaudio doesn't want to detect at least one of the 3 audiodevices in his computer running KUbuntu 12.04LTS.
[12:44] <BluesKaj> Solak, which audio devices ?
[12:47] <Solak> BluesKaj: there's one on board, there seems to be one on the gfx card (hdmi sound) and I have an Soundblaster Audigy.
[12:48] <Solak> BluesKaj: the on board is disabled in the bios, the audidy is detected, and the one on the gfx card too.
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Solak, try aplay -l in the terminal
[12:49] <BluesKaj> to see what's listed
[12:49] <hazamonzo> ugh, any way to force refresh my mouse pointer? Its an ongoing battle with kubuntu, multiple moniters and my pointer. It keeps screwing up. I'd show you, but i cant take a screen capture of the pointer...
[12:49] <hazamonzo> any way to do a refresh at all? Save me logging out / in again :(
[12:49] <Solak> BluesKaj: all I expect to be listed...
[12:51] <hazamonzo> maybe refresh KDE?
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Solak, you onboard connects to the hdmi audio portion of the graphics card output , I ahave asimilar setupb ut I don't  have any audio disabled in the bios , since I use both the pci audio and the onboard/hdmi outs
[12:55] <Solak> BluesKaj: the only one I want to be able to use is the Audigy, but there are a few odd things happening: 1. portaudio doesn't detect the cards. 2. the mastervolume is set to max. at every (re)start.
[12:55] <hazamonzo> awesome, just have to relog then. Lovely :P
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Solak, which module/driver is use , lspci -v | grep -i snd
[12:57] <BluesKaj> in use
[12:58] <Solak> BluesKaj: Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel (same for module, but then with - instead of _) and Kernel driver in use: snd_emu10k1 (also, same for module with - again).
[13:00] <BluesKaj> Solak, I can't help if I don't know the audigy model number , and portaudio is for portable audio devices, which i have experience with ...do you have pulseaudio installed ?
[13:00] <AceKing> Is there a way to auto start a DVD in Kubuntu 12.04, without having to try to catch the menu when it pops up? I set up a laptop for my sister in law who is disabled, and she does not move that quick, and is clueless when it comes to computers. I have VLC as the only player on the system.
[13:00] <BluesKaj> no experience with rather
[13:01] <BluesKaj> AceKing, the dvd should show up in the places list in dolphin
[13:02] <Solak> BluesKaj: card 0: Audigy [SB Audigy 1 ES [SB0160]], device 0: emu10k1 [ADC Capture/Standard PCM Playback]
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Solak, you want to use the audigy which is the pci audio card , correct ?
[13:03] <Solak> BluesKaj: yes.
[13:04] <AceKing> BluesKaj: It does. But how can I get it to start playing automatically? I tried in "File Assosiations" but it just has it where I can set the default program. I've been going nuts on google, but can't find a solution.
[13:04] <Solak> BluesKaj: I don't need 3 working cards, and since the Audigy is the one I selected myself, it seems logical that it is the working one :-)
[13:04] <AceKing> BluesKaj: Automatically when it's inserted into the drive
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Solak, well it's the default card ("card 0") so that's good , have you set it up in system settings >multimedia>phonon ?
[13:06] <Solak> BluesKaj: that's a tool which drives me crazy, though I must admit that it works better since I disabled the on board audio...
[13:08] <SIR_Taco_> AceKing: you can enable auto-mounting, but you'll still have to open say Dragon Player or whatever you play dvds with and play the media
[13:09] <AceKing> SIR_Taco_: How do I enable auto mounting?
[13:09] <SIR_Taco_> AceKing: System Settings -> Removable Devices
[13:09] <AceKing> SIR_Taco_: Thank you!
[13:10] <SIR_Taco_> Auto-run is a security issue...  Windows doesn't even do it anymore
[13:10] <SIR_Taco_> you're welcome
[13:10] <Solak> BluesKaj: the test button in phonon produces sound :-)
[13:11] <Solak> BluesKaj: so at least in KDE it's detected, now I wonder why portaudio doesn't see it (I guess it has something to do with alsa, pulseaudio).
[13:12] <SIR_Taco_> Solak: I would suggest disabling your onboard sound in the BIOS to prevent any current/future conflicts
[13:13] <Solak> SIR_Taco_: I already did...
[13:13] <SIR_Taco_> ok :)
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Solak, why are you using port audio ? install pavucontrol to give you control over the inputs and outputs options of your sound
[13:15] <Solak> BluesKaj: I want to use portaudio for an application I'm currently writing...
[13:26] <[GuS]> Hi guys, I've a question that i always forget to ask, since i have this notebook (Acer aspire 5552-5498) which has a Phenom II x3 n830, with the command lshw i see this: http://pastebin.com/brmUAJUU It is normal?
[13:28] <Solak> BluesKaj: I also tried adding myself to the group 'audio', but that didn't work either...
[13:28] <BluesKaj> Solak, did you install pavucontrol ?
[13:33] <BluesKaj> [GuS], use sudo lshw , if want the output to be accurate
[13:36] <[GuS]> BluesKaj: is what i did...
[13:36] <BluesKaj> that's not a normal lshw output , [GuS]
[13:38] <[GuS]> BluesKaj: Again, I did sudo lshw...
[13:38] <[GuS]> want a complet output?
[13:39] <BluesKaj> no , only what you are trying to fix , lshw doesn't tell us anything unless we know what is wrong
[13:39] <[GuS]> ?
[13:39] <[GuS]> I've asked if is normal that cache appears disabled...
[13:39] <[GuS]> http://pastebin.com/Fg3ndh4F
[13:41] <BluesKaj> you should have mentioned that
[13:44] <[GuS]> BluesKaj: really?
[13:44] <[GuS]> please read it again
[13:44] <[GuS]> [10:26] <[GuS]> Hi guys, I've a question that i always forget to ask, since i have this notebook (Acer aspire 5552-5498) which has a Phenom II x3 n830, with the command lshw i see this: http://pastebin.com/brmUAJUU It is normal?
[13:44] <[GuS]> whats the last part says? :)
[13:44] <BluesKaj> yeah so ?
[13:45] <[GuS]> "it is normal"
[13:45] <[GuS]> BluesKaj: nevermind man.
[13:49] <BluesKaj> [GuS] already said that is wasn't normal
[14:09] <Solak> BluesKaj: installing it now... thanks.
[14:35] <Solak> BluesKaj: wow, it works... looks like it was a dependancy-problem with the package 'jack'.
[14:35] <Solak> BluesKaj: I installed v19 from the portaudio site, and not the one in the kubuntu repository.
[14:57] <bjrohan> Anyone have suggestions on how to get my micrphone to not record at such a high volume? in Kmix I can set it as default (it is usb) and and see what it is picking up, but now way to turn it down
[14:58] <lordievader> bjrohan: You can use pavucontrol for that, I'm not sure if it is in the base install, if not: sudo apt-get install pavucontrol
[14:59] <bjrohan> Thank you. Installing it now
[15:00] <lordievader> bjrohan: No problem.
[15:01] <bjrohan> That appears to work, thank you lordievader
[15:02] <skomorokh> does anyone know how to upgrade to 12.10 but preserve kdm?
[15:03] <skomorokh> sort of want to use the niftyhandy upgrade tool but need kdm for my nice multiseat setup
[15:03] <lordievader> skomorokh: How do you mean preserve kdm?
[15:03] <skomorokh> lordievader: it replaces it with lightdm
[15:04] <skomorokh> lordievader: first line of the list of packages to add/remove/upgrade when it asks "Do you want to start the upgrade?" is "Remove kdm"
[15:04] <lordievader> skomorokh: True and corrupts kdm, however reinstalling kdm fixes kdm, and during the install of kdm you can select it as the default login manger.
[15:04] <lordievader> Or at least I have 12.10 on my desktop with KDM.
[15:04] <skomorokh> kk, i'll just backup my kdmrc someplace.
[15:04] <skomorokh> foolishness. i'm glad i rtfm.
[15:12] <dougl> is samba enabled by default on stock install of 12.04
[15:14] <lordievader> ikonia: Can you send diane___ to the channel for connection problems?
[15:16] <ikonia> lordievader: sure thing
[15:17] <lordievader> ikonia: Thank you :)
[15:17] <ikonia> no problem, sorry I didn't notice
[15:17] <lordievader> ikonia: No worries.
[15:23] <dougl> I have just installed  a fresh copy of 12.04 but when I try to add a printer that is shared on my windows machine I get errors... saying to make sure samba is running then I try to get install it and...ERROR: Invalid smb.conf
[15:33] <dougl> /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba4.postinst: 14: /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba4.postinst: /usr/share/samba/setoption.pl: Permission denied
[15:33] <dougl> dpkg: error processing samba4 (--configure):
[15:33] <dougl> does that mean anything to anyone?
[15:33] <ikonia> that looks like samba 4
[15:36] <dougl> ikonia, yes samba4 and google reveals it is a bug but I am unsure how to fix it...
[15:46] <dougl> I guess samba4 is not ready for prime time and I was supposed to install samba? So I did that and when I browse for windows printer to install I get the message "There were no SMB print shares found.  Please check that the Samba service is running and marked as trusted in your firewall configuration." then I goto console and do samba and it says to install samba4... completely confused here please help if you can.
[15:57] <shadeslayer> I think we have a factoid for samba
[15:57] <shadeslayer> !samba
[15:57] <shadeslayer> dougl: ^
[16:47] <dougl> shadeslayer, thanks
[16:51] <dougl> how do I purge my 12.04 install from samba4 and samba and start over again?
[16:52] <bbeck> Does anyone have a feel for when Bug #1061073 (Desktop effects are slow and desktop...) might be fixed?  Not trying to be a jerk, I'm just trying to get a feel for extent of the problem.
[16:53] <dougl> shadeslayer, at first glance that read explains howto share ubuntu resources I want to share my windows printers with ubuntu
[16:54] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: it works both ways
[16:55] <SIR_Taco_> bbeck: did you downgrade Mesa?
[16:56] <bbeck> I haven't yet, but only because there seemed to be some contrary opionions about doing that near the end of the comments.
[16:57] <dougl> SIR_Taco, that is the thing it does not work here... I had a 12.04 install working and then reinstalled and now it does not... I don't recall doing any rocket science to get original config working... but I will read on
[16:59] <SIR_Taco_> bbeck: I would try downgrading to 8.04 as they suggest, then keep an eye on that bug report to see when mesa/kde fixes the problem
[17:00] <bbeck> SIR_Taco_: thanks, I'll give it a try.  The bug has also been opened on the KDE bug tracker so I guess it might be an upstream issue.
[17:01] <SIR_Taco_> quite likely
[17:04] <dougl> SIR_Taco, yeah - the instruction I see/followed are for sharing printers attached to ubuntu machines... I need to install a printer on my kubuntu 12.04 that is connected to my windows machine
[17:10] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: assuming samba is set up... you should just be able to click 'add printer' select "Windows Printer via Samba", then fill in the address, user, password
[17:12] <dougl> SIR_Taco, Right - that is what I did last time... I do that now and get "There were no SMB print shares found.  Please check that the Samba service is running and marked as trusted in your firewall configuration." as soon as I hit the browse button
[17:12] <dougl> and I am unsure how to proceed
[17:12] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: have you tried manually entering the address?
[17:13] <dougl> SIR_Taco, no
[17:14] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: it describes below how to enter the address... something like:   smb://workgroup/ip:port   (workgroup is optional if you're on the same workgroup)
[17:14] <dougl> I don't know the address and do not know my way around windows 7 - I would like to config static IP but like I said - I am pretty useless when it comes to windows
[17:17] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: well that doesn't make things easy :)
[17:17] <avihay> I don't think you can access windows 7 shares from any other OS, including XP, but that might be because I tried many times and failed :-<
[17:18] <dougl> SIR_Taco, lol - aint that the truth!
[17:18] <dougl> avihay, I can print from OSX to windows shared printers
[17:18] <SIR_Taco_> avihay: yes, you can, just haven't done it in a very long time
[17:19] <dougl> currently
[17:19] <avihay> setting win7 to 7 was hell, had to remove anything close to security to make it work
[17:19] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: give me a minute, let me boot my other computer into Win7, load the printer and see
[17:20] <avihay> in windows 7, open the start menu, type cmd, wait a few sec, press enter, type ifconfig
[17:20] <dougl> SIR_Taco, Above and beyond (boy I love the ppl in this channel) thanks so much
[17:20] <avihay> ipconfig*
[17:26] <SIR_Taco_> guess I have to install samba too... haha
[17:30] <skomorokh> upgraded to 12.10... now my keyboard fails at boot. unplugged everything else from usb... it works in grub, just fails once it gets into the kernel. so can't type my drive passwd. no numlk even.
[17:30] <skomorokh> anyone see something similar? ideas?
[17:31] <dougl> oh - windows sensed there was more than one person pissing time down the drain and decided to do updates... fekin microsoft junk - should have never upgraded from xp
[17:32] <dougl> 6 of 122
[17:34] <avihay> lol
[17:47] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: well that was a pain in the butt...
[17:47] <SIR_Taco_> http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/setup-windows-printer-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/
[17:50] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: the only other thing I had to do, was set under network management -> advanced sharing options -> Change HomeGroup connections to "User user accounts"
[17:52] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, sorry - catching up now = thanks :)
[17:55] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: nothing uses that 'secret pass code' thingy that windows 7 has for sharing folders/printers except for windows 7 (and likely vista), so you'll have to set that "Use user accounts" option and type in your windows user/pass when setting up the printer in Kubuntu
[17:56] <uglyoldbob> im having a problem with my ssh connections. If I leave an ssh connection open and then move my laptop out of the wireless network, the ssh connection just will sit there and do nothing. It doesn't work as expected, but I never see a timeout.
[17:57] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, well... I have read it and it seems to be exactly what I am doing (except I am doing the kubuntu-ized steps) but my windows machine is on 66 of 122 updates so I am at a standstill for the moment...
[17:57] <lordievader> uglyoldbob: That is because ssh doesn't send a keep alive frame.
[17:57] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, you installed your win7 prntr in system settings?
[17:58] <uglyoldbob> lordievader: but it is NOT timing out or exiting, I have to kill the terminal manually
[17:58] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: yes. the computer shows up, but no the printer. But write down the printer name or name it something easy, and manually type it in
[17:58] <lordievader> uglyoldbob: Uhu, that is what I said, without the keep-alive frame the session never knows that the connection is dropped.
[17:58] <yofel_> uglyoldbob: it will time out when the socket dies, otherwise it simply tries to keep the session alive over TCP without checking if there is a response
[17:59] <yofel_> uglyoldbob: you could look into mosh (server/client wrapper for ssh) if that really is a problem for you
[17:59] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, gotcha - 69 of 122 on win7 box... will keep you posted
[17:59] <SIR_Taco_> *doesn't show up in the 'browse' part I mean
[18:00] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, you realize I get an error as soon as I click browse right?
[18:00] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: we'll cross that bridge when you get there :P
[18:00] <dougl> lol...
[18:00] <uglyoldbob> ok thanks, I wasn't sure if it was expected behavior or not.
[18:00] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, I am in good company :)
[18:37] <AMDAthlon> is kubuntu offically supported?
[18:38] <OerHeks> sure
[18:39] <lordievader> AMDAthlon: Do you need help with something?
[18:40] <AMDAthlon> yes is kubuntu offically supported
[18:41] <AMDAthlon> or is it like community maintained now like xubuntu
[18:41] <shadeslayer> define officially supported
[18:41] <lordievader> Jup Bluesystems or something...
[18:42] <AMDAthlon> like canonical supporting it
[18:42] <AMDAthlon> funds
[18:42] <shadeslayer> if you're asking for paid support, as of *right* now, there's no option for paid support
[18:42] <shadeslayer> ah
[18:42] <shadeslayer> AMDAthlon: Blue Systems is funding developers at the moment
[18:42] <AMDAthlon> oh i see
[18:42] <AMDAthlon> canonical dropped funding for Xubuntu right?
[18:43] <shadeslayer> well ... it doesn't work that way
[18:43] <shadeslayer> Canonical will still  sponsor some developers to UDS from Xubuntu
[18:43] <shadeslayer> but I'm not sure if Xubuntu was ever backed in terms of Paid support
[18:49] <yofel> shadeslayer: it wasn't AFAIK
[18:49] <shadeslayer> ^
[18:50] <yofel> and he's long gone
[18:50] <SIR_Taco_> seems he wasn't very interested in the full answer :P
[19:20] <Kelhim> hello - I've got short question concerning a small bug which has already been fixed upstream
[19:21] <shadeslayer> Kelhim: sure
[19:21] <lordievader> !ask | Kelhim
[19:22] <Kelhim> there is a very small and simple patch for KDE SC 4.9.3, which fixes the bug that Samba share passwords can't be stored from Dolphin. Any chance this patch makes it into Kubuntu 12.04?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> mmm .. not possible right away I'm afraid
[19:23] <shadeslayer> Kelhim: 4.9.3 will be out in a few weeks, and Precise will be updated, any chances that you could wait until then?
[19:23] <shadeslayer> or I could teach you how to build your own package ;)
[19:24] <SIR_Taco_> shadeslayer: does it start with "sudo apt-dont-make-any-plans" ? ; )
[19:25] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:25] <popcbv> How can I apply kde configuration after a change in one specific rc file?
[19:25] <shadeslayer> but srsly, it's fairly simple to just upload a patched source to a PPA and install the debs
[19:26] <shadeslayer> popcbv: I don't understand the question I'm afraid
[19:26] <popcbv> shadeslayer: kde has lots of files with rc as a suffix.
[19:26] <shadeslayer> correct
[19:26] <popcbv> shadeslayer: if I change one of them, nothing actually happens.
[19:27] <popcbv> shadeslayer: the question is how to let kde react to the information in those files.
[19:27] <SIR_Taco_> popcbv: logout, log back in
[19:27] <shadeslayer> nope ^
[19:27] <popcbv> SIR_Taco_: that's a really, really bad solution.
[19:27] <shadeslayer> first off, there's a kded that should be monitoring rc file changes
[19:27] <SIR_Taco_> shadeslayer: didn't know that, good to know
[19:27] <shadeslayer> but if the kded is taking too much time to see those changes, you can run : kbuildsycoca4
[19:27] <popcbv> shadeslayer: except it doesn't work?
[19:28] <shadeslayer> popcbv: which rc file are you changing btw?
[19:28] <popcbv> shadeslayer: I'd say that if everything would be working, that it should react within about 5 ms.
[19:28] <popcbv> shadeslayer: khotkeysrc
[19:28] <popcbv> In Emacs you can just do (setq foobar "newvalue") and it works within microseconds.
[19:29] <popcbv> I am not sure where all the additional infrastructure is needed for.
[19:29] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:30] <shadeslayer> popcbv: does running kbuildsycoca4 fix it?
[19:31] <popcbv> shadeslayer: no
[19:31] <shadeslayer> hm
[19:31] <xixor> Oooooh. windows 8
[19:33] <shadeslayer> popcbv: can you try running this : qdbus org.kde.kded /kbuildsycoca org.kde.kded.unloadModule khotkeys; qdbus org.kde.kded /kbuildsycoca org.kde.kded.loadModule khotkeys
[19:34] <Kelhim> shadeslayer: hm, I'm actually not personally concerned by this bug in kio_smb_auth, but I can imagine one could fix it by oneself
[19:35] <popcbv> shadeslayer: that overwrites my change to the file.
[19:35] <shadeslayer> hah
[19:35] <shadeslayer> popcbv: unload khotkeys module, write changes, load it again
[19:35] <shadeslayer> because obviously the config files are synced with whatever is in the program memory when the module is unloaded
[19:36] <popcbv> shadeslayer: same result
[19:36] <popcbv> shadeslayer: unexpectedly
[19:36] <shadeslayer> well ... uh .. that was not anticipated
[19:36] <shadeslayer> popcbv: can you tell me exactly what you're doing
[19:36] <popcbv> shadeslayer: I did your command; sleep 10; your other command
[19:36] <shadeslayer> so I can try it on my machine
[19:37] <popcbv> shadeslayer: during the sleep, I saved the file.
[19:37] <shadeslayer> right, can I have the khotkeysrc file?
[19:37] <popcbv> shadeslayer: and no, a write doesn't take 10 seconds.
[19:37] <popcbv> shadeslayer: I am sure it's independent of that.
[19:37] <popcbv> shadeslayer: just create a keybinding for f6 first.
[19:38] <popcbv> shadeslayer: then, save the file, and use e.g. a sed script to replace it.
[19:38] <popcbv> shadeslayer: or use kwriteconfig
[19:38] <shadeslayer> can you give me the kwriteconfig command you used?
[19:39] <popcbv> shadeslayer: kwriteconfig --group Data_3_12Triggers0 --key Key --file <file> F12
[19:39] <popcbv> shadeslayer: probably completely useless for you
[19:40] <popcbv> Interesting how (global-set key (kbd "<f12>" 'function) is just so much easier
[19:40] <popcbv> To share too.
[19:40] <popcbv> KDE is just overly complicated here.
[19:43] <popcbv> shadeslayer: so, you have no idea?
[19:43] <shadeslayer> still looking
[19:44] <popcbv> shadeslayer: please post it as a solution on a site like stackoverflow or on the wiki, such that next time I can find something.
[19:44] <popcbv> shadeslayer: there are more people who are interested in it.
[19:44] <shadeslayer> the only thing I'm not sure of is the group you're using there
[19:45] <shadeslayer> but I'm not sure what the correct value would be as well
[19:46] <popcbv> shadeslayer: I am 100% sure I am doing it correctly.
[19:46] <shadeslayer> popcbv: you could ask #kde-devel if somethings missing
[19:47] <shadeslayer> if you're doing it right, it'd be a bug
[19:47] <shadeslayer> popcbv: does the shortcut work once you logout and login again?
[19:48] <popcbv> shadeslayer: don't know, and don't care.
[19:48] <shadeslayer> like, logout -> edit your file -> login
[19:48] <shadeslayer> *shrug* then
[19:49] <SIR_Taco_> shadeslayer: that's a really bad solution ;)
[19:49] <shadeslayer> it's not a solution
[19:49] <SIR_Taco_> I know, I'm just joking around
[19:49] <shadeslayer> just a test to check if it's a issue with the config that's written or KDE
[19:50] <shadeslayer> okay ... in that case, I should sleep :P
[19:52] <Kelhim> shadeslayer: If I understood you correctly, bug fixes like this for Samba shares could be included in Precise (but surely not 4.9.3 as a whole) when 4.9.3 is out? That would answer my question, thank you
[19:53] <shadeslayer> Kelhim: okay question, did password protected samba shares ever work?
[19:53] <shadeslayer> in 4.5/6/7 ?
[19:54] <Kelhim> the last time I used Samba it must have been 4.2 or earlier - I honestly can't not remember
[19:55] <shadeslayer> Kelhim: there's a policy for SRU's that prevents us from shipping new features, if you remember it working in some previous version of KDE, it'll classify as a regression and we can do a SRU
[19:56] <shadeslayer> Kelhim: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[19:57] <Kelhim> shadeslayer: hm, okay, I'll have to look into that
[19:58]  * shadeslayer is reading the bug report
[19:59] <Kelhim> shadeslayer: as far as I understand the report at the KDE bug tracker, the checkbox in the dialog simply doesn't store the password
[20:02] <shadeslayer> Kelhim: aha, so that would qualify as a Bug and can be SRU'd
[20:03] <Kelhim> I'm sure that such a simply thing must have worked at _some_ time in the past, and the GUI says it could - it's definietly not a "new" feauture
[20:03] <shadeslayer> Cool, I'll put this on my todo and I'll talk to the SRU team at UDS itself
[20:03] <shadeslayer> should be done in a jiffy next week
[20:04] <Kelhim> thank you very much for your time
[20:04] <shadeslayer> though I'll only SRU it for precise
[20:04] <shadeslayer> since 4.9.3 will be available for Quantal users only
[20:04] <shadeslayer> erm ... s/only/via backports/
[20:06] <shadeslayer> Kelhim: one caveat, SRU guidelines state that bug should be fixed in Developement version first
[20:06] <shadeslayer> anywho, will have a talk with SRU folk
[20:07] <shadeslayer> oh dude
[20:07] <shadeslayer> 4.9.3 will be released on 6th November
[20:07] <popcbv> ...
[20:09] <popcbv> Why do you have bureaucracy?
[20:10] <Kelhim> shadeslayer: I'm asking on behalf on somebody you prefers to keep Precise installed, but otherwise an upgrade would be an option, of course - but I think there are many users who would appreciate this small fix in Precise
[20:10] <Kelhim> * who *
[20:10] <popcbv> Can't you just put every fix into a release and reject everything which doesn't work?
[20:11] <popcbv> And if you absolutely have to test before you have any confidence whether it works, perhaps add more static types such that you don't have to guess?
[20:11] <shadeslayer> Kelhim: ofcourse, here's the thing, there are a set of rules we have to follow in order to keep quality, so while I'm reasonably certain the SRU team will go ahead and ask me to wait till 4.9.3 is out, I'll try asking them what can be done to fix this right away :)
[20:13] <Kelhim> shadeslayer: thanks! But if the patch is applied after 4.9.3. has been released, that would be no drama either ;)
[20:14] <shadeslayer> Kelhim: thanks for filing a bug regarding the issue :)
[20:20] <shadeslayer> Kelhim: green light for precise \o/
[20:21] <Kelhim> yaay \o/
[20:21] <shadeslayer> So what I'm going to do is turn that into a SRU bug
[20:21] <shadeslayer> and bug you to test packages :P
[20:23] <Kelhim> sure, I'll help where I can (and ask members of the German community to do the same)
[20:24] <shadeslayer> cool :_
[20:24] <shadeslayer> :)
[20:46] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, you still around... winblows is on its 3rd boot after updates so I think it should be done soon (what a piece of work)
[20:48] <dougl> SIR_Taco, Right - that is what I did last time... I do that now and get "There were no SMB print shares found.  Please check that the Samba service is running and marked as trusted in your firewall configuration." as soon as I hit the browse button
[20:48] <dougl> oops
[20:48] <dougl> lol - trying to post my original question for the new comers
[20:48] <shadeslayer> dougl: who knows, they might know how to fix it ;)
[20:49] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: yes, I'm around... fixing a bunch of computers at the moment
[20:49] <PasNox> Hi
[20:49] <PasNox> i installed kubuntu quantal on fresh partition / disk
[20:49] <PasNox> i'm experiencing random crash on the desktop
[20:49] <PasNox> desktop freeze
[20:49] <PasNox> and mouse / keyboard no longer answer
[20:50] <PasNox> looks like hard disk was still doing something ( i eared noise )
[20:50] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, I won't bug you then... but there is no change on my end.
[20:50] <PasNox> any hint on this possible bug ?
[20:50] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: I'm at a hurry up and wait moment... waiting for some scans to finish
[20:51] <shadeslayer> PasNox: any chance you're on quantal and not using the proprietary drivers?
[20:51] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, nice - you deserve a break.
[20:51] <lordievader> PasNox: Try reading the syslogs (in /var/log) maybe they give you a clue.
[20:51] <PasNox> shadeslayer: exactly.
[20:52] <PasNox> quantal / nvidia / nouveau driver
[20:52] <PasNox> lordievader: which one ?
[20:52] <shadeslayer> you're using the nouveau driver?
[20:52] <PasNox> yes
[20:52] <PasNox> was installed by default
[20:52] <DarthFrog> PasNox:  You can use the "top" or "htop" commands to see what's using your CPU and hogging your system resources.  Might be virtuoso/nepomuk.
[20:52] <lordievader> PasNox: The syslog or the dmesg, but I think syslog is more helpfull.
[20:53] <PasNox> even if i checked the 'use / install proprietary driver' at the isntall thing
[20:53] <shadeslayer> ok, assuming nouveau uses mesa, you've been hit by bug 1061073
[20:53] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: where are you stuck now? you followed along on that how-to I posted?
[20:54] <PasNox> shadeslayer: hm
[20:54] <shadeslayer> ( which I think it does )
[20:54] <PasNox> solution, use nvidia drivers ?
[20:54] <shadeslayer> yeah
[20:54] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, as close as I could...
[20:55] <PasNox> shadeslayer: i'm still lost with that
[20:55] <shadeslayer> PasNox: though I've heard about X hanging on quantal when using the proprietary drivers
[20:55] <PasNox> since years
[20:55] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: ok, but the windows printer sharing side is done? And it is windows 7, yes?
[20:55] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, went into printers in system config and when I browse I get that errer
[20:55] <PasNox> jockey-kde is ugly and not friendly
[20:55] <shadeslayer> but it's worth a shit
[20:55] <shadeslayer> erm
[20:55] <shadeslayer> *shot
[20:55] <FloodBotK1> shadeslayer: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:55] <PasNox> it list many entry with same names and msotly same description without version
[20:55] <DarthFrog> PasNox:  You could boot into Recovery Mode and run "sudo apt-get install nvidia-current-updates".
[20:55] <PasNox> what i need to activate ?
[20:55] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, oh yes... windows is sharing printers fine with mac osx
[20:55] <shadeslayer> PasNox: I think there are plans for fixing jockey-kde next cycle
[20:55] <shadeslayer> somehow integrate it with muon or sth
[20:55] <shadeslayer> because ubuntu is dropping jockey-gtk
[20:55] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, what samba did you end up installing and how?
[20:56] <dougl> muon or apt-get
[20:56] <shadeslayer> PasNox: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-May/035252.html
[20:56]  * shadeslayer looks at spec
[20:57] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: I used muon, installed "samba4-clients" you could easily install that from konsole
[20:57] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, ok - I am doing that
[20:59] <PasNox> shadeslayer: kubuntu should not use stupid things coming from gnome. tons of dependencis for nothing and + gnome is denigrating good qt / kde technologies because else ngome will depends qt.
[20:59] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: it's install a bunch of other things as well
[20:59] <PasNox> shadeslayer: thanks , reading
[21:00] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, did it and now I have no option to insall samba printers... disappeared.
[21:01] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: you're on 12.10?
[21:01] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, no - 12.04 lts
[21:01] <shadeslayer> hmm
[21:01] <shadeslayer> we have a new printer manager thingy in 12.10
[21:01] <shadeslayer> I forget the name
[21:02] <shadeslayer> maybe you could try that
[21:02] <dougl> 12.10 would not install the dozens of times I tried
[21:02] <shadeslayer> no no, just install that specific package
[21:02] <SIR_Taco_> shadeslayer: it's called "Printers"... it's not as good, unfortunately
[21:02] <dougl> how do I purge samba and start again?
[21:02] <shadeslayer> Print Manager
[21:02] <SIR_Taco_> maybe the backend is better though
[21:02] <shadeslayer> dougl: sudo apt-get purge samba ?
[21:03] <dougl> shadeslayer, lol - you asking or telling?
[21:03] <shadeslayer> telling :P
[21:03] <dougl> LOL
[21:03] <dougl> ty
[21:03] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: how do you feel about enabling backports?
[21:05] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, don't really understand what it is but I have had good experience with ubuntu since 10.10 and I think longer but cannot recall... googling backports now
[21:06] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: backports are packages (like KDE) which have been released on a newer version (like 12.10) which are deemed stable, enough, for a previous version(s)
[21:07] <dougl> yeah I dunno... I used 12.04 lts because it worked stock out of the box and to fiddle with something (rocket science) that I will never remmember how to do when a crash happens is a bit un nerving
[21:09] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, what are we suggesting... 12.04 did work... I upgraded my box and video card and reinstalled 12.04 and used my old home dir and printing quit working.
[21:11] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: ok... when you said before that you upgraded, I assumed it was software, not hardware. So you had it working before, and the computer with the printer is a Windows 7 box?
[21:15] <Guest7707> anybody know about a good grub configuration utility?
[21:16] <lordievader> Guest7707: Grub-customizer, though it is not in the repo, search google for the ppa.
[21:17] <Guest7707> lordievader: thanks!
[21:18] <lordievader> Guest7707: No problem.
[21:24] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, sorry - had 12.04 installed adn printing to xp shares... xp box pooched so took 12.04 box and installed win7 on it and took another puter and dedicated it for my desktop and installed 12.04 on it.
[21:25] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: ok, and both are on the same router?
[21:25] <dougl> yes
[21:26] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, ^^^
[21:27] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: you no longer get the "Windows Printer via Samba" option when you go to add a new printer?
[21:27] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, correct - it is gone
[21:30] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: do you have the 'samba' package installed too?
[21:31] <calwig> hi, how do I add a new OS install to the Grub menu on 12.04?
[21:31] <dougl> shit - I gotta run (pick up GF) be back in less than an hour... SIR_Taco_ yes samba is installed
[21:31] <lordievader> calwig: sudo update-grub?
[21:31] <IdleOne> !language | dougl
[21:32] <calwig> lordievader: interesting i did so,
[21:32] <calwig> lordievader: will reboot and check, thx
[21:32] <lordievader> calwig: What OS are you trying to add?
[21:32] <calwig> browserlinux, music player on a small partition
[21:32] <calwig> i have two partitions already installed
[21:34] <calwig> lordievader: this is my install though, running 10.04, 12.04. And 10.04 has the MBR. so I would like to have this be taken over by 12.04
[21:34] <calwig> in total I have 3 linux OSs installed, one needs detection, help!
[21:34] <calwig> update-grub is done
[21:34] <lordievader> calwig: Usually there is only one MBR.
[21:35] <lordievader> calwig: So running update-grub in 12.04 is going to write to the same MBR as 10.04.
[21:36] <calwig> will reboot and see how it all is
[21:36] <calwig> brb
[21:36] <lordievader> calwig: Good luck
[21:36] <calwig> thx
[21:46] <calwig> lordievader: Boot menu comes up successfully, two distros, 10.04, 12.04. Still how can I manually add a new one if it will not detect it
[21:47] <lordievader> calwig: Yes, you can, hold on I'll get you a guide.
[21:47] <lordievader> calwig: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[21:48] <calwig> reading... thanks
[21:49] <lordievader> calwig: Hope you can fix your problem.
[21:54] <anarkista> hi
[21:56] <calwig> lordievader: sure i will! always thanks
[21:57] <lordievader> calwig: No problem!
[22:08] <dougl> Sorry for the profanity...
[22:09] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, back now if you can still spare time.
[22:10] <xixor> sup
[22:12] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: purge the 'samba' package
[22:13] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, thanks - purged
[22:15] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: in konsole: dpkg-reconfigure samba4-client
[22:17] <dougl> Package `samba4-client' is not installed and no info is available
[22:17] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, ^^^
[22:17] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: ok then: sudo apt-get install samba4-client
[22:18] <dougl> E: Unable to locate package samba4-client
[22:19] <SIR_Taco_> sorry... samba4-clients
[22:19] <SIR_Taco_> s, plurarl
[22:19] <SIR_Taco_> plural even
[22:20] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, it was supposed to be plural in the reconfig command too so I did that one... did I lose you?
[22:21] <dougl> dpkg-reconfigure samba4-clients
[22:21] <dougl> update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/nmblookup.samba3 to provide /usr/bin/nmblookup (nmblookup) in auto mode.
[22:21] <dougl> update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/nmblookup.samba4 to provide /usr/bin/nmblookup (nmblookup) in auto mode.
[22:21] <SIR_Taco_> yes, ok
[22:22] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: do you now have your "Windows Printer via Samba" back?
[22:23] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, no samba options for printers
[22:29] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: ok... how about removing the contents of /etc/samba/
[22:30] <SIR_Taco_> you'll have to reboot or restart samba
[22:30] <dougl> mv /etc/samba /etc/backup.samba
[22:31] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: that works too
[22:31] <dougl> sudo restart smbd and nmbd?
[22:32] <dougl> I am not too sure about samba it has always just worked...
[22:32] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, ^^^
[22:33] <dougl> if so => restart: Unknown job: smbd
[22:36] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: it worked with windows xp. windows 7 has changed things unfortunately
[22:39] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, I cannot accept that since right from the get go 12.04 errored as soon as I hit the browse button... I have the xp machine repaired (new power supply) with the printer installed on that... I will fire it up and look to that for the printer.
[22:43] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: it will error if it sees no shares as well
[22:43] <dougl> I still have no windows printers option when I goto install printers in my 12.04 config
[22:45] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: I'm on 12.10, not 12.04, which makes it harder to figure out
[22:50] <SIR_Taco_> unless someone else has any bright ideas
[22:50] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, I know what you are saying... do you know how to make 12.04 print to OSX printer... I can share it on that machine too
[22:51] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: I don't have any Macs
[22:51] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, you're not missing much - lol
[22:53] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: did you shutdown samba, move the /etc/samba/ directory then restart it?
[22:53] <dougl> I don't know how to restart samba
[22:54] <dougl> did you shutdown samba - no
[22:54] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: sudo service smbd stop
[22:55] <SIR_Taco_> move the directory....
[22:55] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: sudo service smbd start
[22:55] <dougl> smbd: unrecognized service
[22:58] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, my linux box is right next to my windows 7 machine.... maybe it caught something and needs to reboot - brb
[23:01] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, same
[23:04] <mauricio> hello!
[23:04] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: any idea what version of Samba you have installed?
[23:05] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: smbclient --version
[23:05] <dougl> Someone will come along if I whine about it long enough and will get it all figered out... I don't even believe it is installed... sec SIR_Taco_
[23:06] <dougl> Version 4.0.0alpha18
[23:06] <dougl> alpha....
[23:06] <dougl> there's a confidence booster
[23:07] <dougl> how does that get in the repos?
[23:07] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: well, it's a fight with microsoft really... it works for some cases and not other (it would seem)
[23:08] <SIR_Taco_> can't reverse engineer everything all at once really
[23:08] <dougl> and why is it ubuntu is aspiring to be as difficult as gentoo - all linuxes suck the same - lol <- the absolutely do not, was just trying to make light of things.
[23:09] <dougl> I do love linux
[23:09] <xixor> lol, I hate linux
[23:09] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: I started with Slackware in '99... that was much more fun that what you're going though :P
[23:09] <dougl> xixor, truth of the matter is I love to hate linux...
[23:10] <xixor> I've been using linux since 97, started with redhat, but switched to debian
[23:10] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, redhat 5.2 I paid for... I still have the retail box - been loving it ever since
[23:11] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: (red) hats off to the both of you then :)
[23:11] <dougl> redhat mandrake mandriva korora gentoo sabayon debian is what I recall
[23:11] <dougl> paid for mandriva too - all worth it!
[23:11] <dougl> donated
[23:12] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: I'm at 4.0.0.beta2 for samba4... maybe enable backports and see if it helps?
[23:14] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, too much trouble to ask how... should I read something?
[23:15] <dougl> and when I do that for samba what gets broken in the process?
[23:16] <dougl> will my home dir and all configs and e-mail docs and downloads work in 12.10 maybe I should consider installing 12.10?
[23:17] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, I think we have alot of time invested here... we need to follow thru and at least we can say we learned something?
[23:17] <dougl> I dunno - Linux.... choices choices and then more decisions
[23:18] <dougl> I remember choosing ubuntu... that was the end of head scratchin... finally a distro that just worked.
[23:19] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: you wouldn't be upgrading to 12.10, you'd just end up with some updated programs/files from the newer release
[23:19] <SIR_Taco_> those that are deemed stable
[23:21] <xixor> 12.10 has been more stable than 12.04 for me so far
[23:21] <dougl> sure
[23:24] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backport
[23:25] <SIR_Taco_> normally I wouldn't suggest it, but I think it would help you
[23:35] <dougl> SIR_Taco_, Cannot access PPA (https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backport) to get PPA information, please check your internet connection.
[23:38] <dougl> SIR_Taco, did you see my message about the backport ppa?
[23:38] <SIR_Taco> dougl: yes, switched computers
[23:46] <SIR_Taco_> dougl: http://askubuntu.com/questions/53146/how-do-i-get-add-apt-repository-to-work-through-a-proxy
[23:47] <dougl> err - you mean I have a proxy? never heard that one before.
[23:47] <SIR_Taco_> which I assume is the problem, or I should drink more...
[23:48] <SIR_Taco_> ok, that's not the problem....
[23:49] <dougl> lol - are we supposed to be drinking...
[23:49] <dougl> I need to go to the beer store :)
[23:49] <SIR_Taco> haha no, just joking around, but it could be a fun drinking game
[23:50]  * dougl recalls rum in the liquor cupboard
[23:51] <SIR_Taco> must be Canadian then ;)
[23:51] <dougl> eh? I bet you're right
[23:52] <dougl> you mean I haven't complained about taxes in here yet?