=== ejat- is now known as ejat === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Classroom - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom || Support in #ubuntu || Upcoming Schedule: http://is.gd/8rtIi || Questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat || Event: Ubuntu Open Week - Current Session: Ask Mark! - Instructors: sabdfl [10:00] Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/10/25/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session. [10:01] hello hello [10:02] how are you all? [10:03] hey, sabdfl, ready? [10:04] all set [10:04] ok, so let me give a quick tips [10:04] Hello, everyone! For the Ask Mark! session, you can ask all your questions at #ubuntu-classroom-chat. Make sure you prefix them with "QUESTION:", no quotes. [10:05] I'll also skip all support-like questions that may fit in #ubuntu. [10:05] Now, let's start! [10:05] sabdfl: can you introduce yourself? :) [10:05] hi everyone, i'm mark shuttleworth, chair the cc and lead canonical strategy [10:06] wrists are all warmed up for your questions :) [10:06] and looking forward to UDS next week in Copenhagen [10:06] let's go! [10:06] fire away [10:06] d0od asked: I hear rumours about Ubuntu on a nexus 7.. can you tell us about that? [10:06] sure [10:06] we've said that the driver of unity was to build an experience that spans phones, tablets, desktops and tv [10:06] i think we can do that by 14.04 [10:07] so in 13.04 we're focused on tuning the performance of the base system in mobile settings [10:07] memory footprint, boot performance, battery life [10:07] we've ported ubuntu to the nexus 7 (it's just the desktop) [10:08] and will all be focused on that for 13.04 [10:08] next! [10:08] davmor2 asked: Out of all the things that you've done with Ubuntu what are you most proud of and why? [10:08] this community [10:08] it's diverse both in culture and contribution [10:08] membership in ubuntu has meaning and reflects well on the member [10:09] that's not been easy, but i think it's the thing we've done very well that makes us more than just another company that does linux [10:09] we catch a lot of flack for making decisions [10:09] but its amazing how many decisions are entirely lead by people who are the best people, no matter what their affiliation, in the project [10:09] and i'd like to keep it that way [10:09] there are some things that we can do best [10:10] but it's the partnership with likeminded people outside which gives it all meaning [10:10] next! [10:10] AlanBell asked: how is the honey production going? [10:10] it's been a rough year to be a bee in northern europe [10:10] so we have some honey in the supers, but i'll leave it to them for the winter [10:11] started the year with 3 colonies, finish the year with 4 [10:11] will be interesting to see how they overwinter [10:11] it's a great hobby [10:11] next! [10:11] cielak asked: Mark, concerning your blog post about opening up some of the development processes to community members: How can one know if he is appropriate for participating? You are looking for a variety of interested people, how can I tell if I might be useful? [10:11] cielak, just ping michael and tell him what you're interested in and what you've done inside ubuntu, and elsewhere [10:12] i really screwed up that blog [10:12] it never even occurred to me that people would interpret as aiming to be MORE CLOSED [10:12] when the obvious intent was to open everything up, while still preserving the delight of the reveal [10:12] amazing [10:12] anyhow, thanks for your interest and ping michael [10:12] next! [10:12] Valtam asked: Any plans to return to space? [10:13] Valtam, not soon, but in due course it would be great [10:13] next! [10:13] davmor2 asked: For Ubuntu's future what are you most excited about? [10:14] am torn between the cloud and the mobile world [10:14] juju is like magic for the cloud [10:14] it's very exciting to see what people are doing with it, and how it's changing their practices and expectations [10:15] and on the mobile front, we'll find out by 14.04 if the world wants ubuntu on phones and tablets [10:15] if you'd like to see that, come to UDS or put Ubuntu on your nexus 7 to help us get it into shape [10:15] the design work is *amazing*, even if its my baby, i've seen independents react to it, and they love it [10:15] next! [10:15] d0od asked: Users have complained that 12.04/12.10 crashes more than previous releases (thanks to the new whoopsie dialog). What have you learned from that new feature? [10:16] great question but i don't have a great answer [10:16] i think the most useful thing is that it gives us a clear data-driven approach to prioritising problems [10:16] we can focus on the crashers that affect the most people [10:17] but i agree, there was a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff happening previously on ubuntu (and rhel and debian... ) that was invisible before whoopsie [10:17] next! [10:17] d0od asked: I'm sure you get tired of being asked every six months, but are there any plans for theme, icon, sound etc changes in the coming cycle? [10:17] yes [10:17] we have hired the amazing matthieu, which means we can start the icon project [10:17] we will work with a university team [10:17] that are global leaders / experts in typography, design and iconography [10:18] so it has a rigorous approach [10:18] and artistically, we have been exploring the full theme story beyond ambiance / radiance [10:18] next! [10:19] let's wait a couple minutes for people to ask questions again - looks like they're frozen :) [10:19] nigelb asked: LDS came to Asia last year. When do we see a UDS in Asia? :) [10:19] nigelb, it would be great to do singapore or hong kong [10:20] but i don't know that there are any plans to do so [10:20] next! [10:20] d0od asked: A question which comes up frequently is that of the tight 6-month release cycle. Clearly 12.10 had some issues with things landing late in the cycle. Are there plans to move to a longer cycle - or maybe rolling releases? [10:21] rick rolling releases :) [10:21] yeah, i missed a good line in the R announcement! [10:21] the team is passionate about "daily quality" [10:22] so that the development release is always usable [10:22] they have done amazing stuff, and it continues to get better [10:22] we run tests on hundreds of packages when any of them change, for example [10:22] which is catching a lot of breakages quickly [10:22] so, that gets us very close to a rolling release [10:22] with the advantage of actual releases for ISVs to target [10:23] we will reduce the number of milestone releases to get more development time in each cycle [10:23] and see how that feels [10:23] next! [10:23] AlanBell asked: what phones/tablets/laptops do you have? [10:24] i use an iphone, have an ipad that i don't use very often, and also have a collection of android phones and tablets for various r&d purposes [10:24] next! [10:24] smartboyhw asked: Since this is Ubuntu Open Week, what do you think you can do to strengthen the relationship between Canonical and the community? [10:24] well, first i would say that relationships between large groups are always complex [10:25] i don't know any two large groups of people where there aren't points of friction [10:25] think of a university and a company, or two universities, or debian and ubuntu [10:25] you can ALWAYS find examples of things you don't like [10:25] i can find plenty of examples of things I don't like in both the ubuntu community and in canonical [10:25] so [10:25] we could wail and gnash our teeth and berate those examples [10:26] or we could calmly continue to build good relationships and faith [10:26] sometimes, stuff happens that is worth berating [10:26] the launch banner for quantal ("Avoid the pain of Windows 8") was terrible, very un-ubuntu, totally inappropriate [10:26] worth berating [10:27] the folks responsible have apologised, they got carried away and made a mistake [10:27] but mostly, it serves us all better to lead by positive example and not make heroes out of the problems [10:28] basically, it's important for everyone to realise that the people "on the other side" are smart, good hearted people who want the best for each other [10:28] which is actually true in the case of ubuntu+canonical [10:28] neither side should take the other for granted [10:28] this gig doesn't work without both [10:28] and neither is perfect [10:28] we should not allow histrionics to derail us [10:29] making celebrities of mistakes and disagreements will just poison the living room [10:29] next! [10:29] SuperMatt asked: You mentioned the excitement of the 'big reveal' in your recent blog post. Are there any plans to reveal exciting things at UDS-R, or is it just business as usual? [10:29] can't answer that [10:29] of course [10:29] it wouldn't be a big reveal if I did! [10:30] we get a lot of attention for free software when we show sexy stuff [10:30] it's healthy and good [10:30] and people who make the loudest noise against that are the people who would rather we didn't have anything sexy to show [10:30] next! [10:30] JoseeAntonioR asked: What do you think is your marketing strategy with MS now that 8 has been released? [10:31] make ubuntu as great as we can [10:31] encourage all of us, who are passionate about it, to make the case [10:31] offer to help oems ship ubuntu as an alternative [10:32] this is not about "microsoft hate", it's about having good ideas, shared development and easy access [10:32] next! [10:32] AlanBell asked: Are you expecting there will be different technologies used for phone/embedded type products or GTK/Compiz like the desktop? [10:33] we're an open platform, developers are welcome to use the tools of their choice [10:34] for mobile, qml2 and html5 work really well [10:34] you can do stuff in gtk, but it's much harder [10:34] nevertheless, we're not ideological about what developers should use [10:34] next! [10:34] philballew asked: What drives you to work with the Ubuntu project still? You have been spearheading it since you started it with project “no name yet”, Is it still the same reasons for wanting to keep going, or is it different reasons you find yourself getting up in the morning to make Ubuntu better? [10:34] two things [10:35] one, we are working on some groundbreak innovation [10:35] unity is achieving something nobody else has managed, and many had actively said was impossible: to build a coherent family of interfaces from end to end in the personal computing arena [10:36] and it's extraordinary that we have exactly the same libraries, the same VERSIONS of the same libraries, running on phones and on supercomputers in the cloud [10:36] so, that's worth getting up for [10:36] that's changing the world [10:36] and then there's the idea that, if we can be successful, we will be the second wave of success for free software [10:36] red hat, credit to them, pioneered the idea of shrink-wrapped free software [10:36] which worked, and we should respect and appreciate that [10:37] but i think free software can have an even bigger economic and social impact in the world [10:37] and it's achieving that that is the ultimate challenge [10:37] android is close [10:37] can we do better? [10:37] with your help, perhaps [10:37] that's also worth getting up for [10:37] next! [10:37] Tm_T asked: what is the biggest fun factor for you? Linus Torvalds often says he's doing the kernel because it's fun, is it the driving force with Ubuntu for you? [10:38] i love the design process [10:38] exploring alternatives, weighing up subtle, deep, difficult tradeoffs [10:38] seeing things for the first time [10:38] it's like a very deeeeeep board game [10:38] that's easy to play badly [10:39] and really, really hard to play well [10:39] and then do that live on stage with lots of people with rotten tomatoes in the audience ;) [10:39] next! [10:39] cielak asked: Some longer time ago you blogged about ambitious plans to incorporate Wayland as the display server for Ubuntu and Unity, but since few years there were no news in that matter: do you know if there is some progress on that? [10:39] yes and no [10:39] it's still clear that the display stack is broken [10:40] but we've not yet got confidence in the alternatives, though we continue to explore what's possible [10:40] next! [10:40] JasnaBencic asked: Since you have mentioned that you are going to cooperate with university considering typography if I remember well, are there any plans to work with universities considering other areas e.g. development? [10:40] there are lots of universities that encourage students to work on free software [10:40] it's tougher to do that at the distro level [10:40] because the work is very inter-connected [10:41] it's not like making a patch for a single piece [10:41] you have to think about how all the pieces are put together [10:41] which requires longer timespans, deeper insights, more awareness of both history and possibility, and social skills [10:41] next! [10:41] d0od asked: If you wanted to re-do the shopping lens release / announce / implementation, what would you do differently, or would you do the same again? [10:42] funny thing about that [10:42] the dash has sent data on the wire since the beginning! [10:42] not secretly [10:42] but how else do you search videos and online music? [10:43] we did studies and came to the conclusion that most people think of stuff "there" and "here" in exactly the same way [10:43] so we made that the default [10:43] there was an announcement on u-devel [10:43] it was apparently all cool for a few days [10:43] then we had some mobbing over the weekend, and needed to calm the mood [10:43] we did some things badly [10:44] crypto should have been there in the first drop [10:44] it was always, obviously, a requirement [10:44] but the team got caught between feature freeze and crypto, between "release early" and "wait till it's done" [10:44] and erred on the wrong side on that one [10:45] the mid-sentence-keyword-nsfw issue was unexpected [10:45] but that was addressed in 24 hours by the team, quite elegantly [10:45] you have to really WANT to get something to get it ;) [10:45] and it continues to be refined [10:46] i don't think we search amazon for gedit any more :) [10:46] if i look into the future, the dash today is closer to the future than anything else on the market [10:46] i'm proud of that [10:46] and the way forward is forward, not back [10:46] the testing we've done supports that [10:47] it involves a lot of responsibility for us, because the future is that platforms are services, and services are platforms [10:47] but we can't shy away from that future [10:47] we learned after the brouhaha that both microsoft and google have been doing exactly the same r&d around bringing the outside world to the desktop [10:48] i'd rather be leading, and figuring out how to do it well, as free software [10:48] than sitting on the sidelines throwing comments at the people who actually carry the responsibility [10:48] easy to throw peanuts [10:48] hard to innovate and do so responsibly [10:48] i think that's what we're here to do [10:48] next! [10:48] oscailt asked: Is there any plans for Ubuntu to join the Google Summer of Code project again? [10:49] not sure, jono would be the best person to ask [10:49] next! [10:49] philballew asked: How is Ubuntu doing with getting OEM's to ship Ubuntu. You talked about it Oakland, where we will be on 5 percent of machines in the near future. What is being done to make this a reality? [10:49] lots of looooong booooooring meeeeeeetings [10:49] it's hard work [10:49] we have (contrary to what you might have heard from the competition) tens of kernel engineers [10:50] who are totally focused on making linux work on laptops and desktops [10:50] the good news is we will see some major OEMs shipping in the USA soon [10:50] albeit in small volume [10:50] but high end machines, which they have never done before [10:50] There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session. [10:50] in emerging markets, generally, we continue to ship more and more [10:50] next! [10:50] philballew asked: I see we have been putting a lot of effort to bring gaming to Ubuntu. Can you expend on why this is being done, and how it is getting accomplished? [10:52] this is being driven by the gaming companies [10:52] who see ubuntu as an interesting platform [10:52] and are actively finding ways to explore the opportunity [10:52] we're supporting them [10:52] next! [10:53] so, guys, any more questions for the last 10 minutes? [10:53] davmor2 asked: If you were starting the Ubuntu Project now is there anything you would of done differently? [10:55] There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session. [10:55] hmm [10:56] yes, of course we've learned a few things [10:56] i would have started on u1 earlier! [10:56] but broadly, i think we've done well [10:56] next [10:57] well, I think that's all questions for now, plus we have to wrap-up this session :) [10:57] alrighty [10:57] thank you all [10:57] sabdfl: thanks so much for being here, it's a pleasure as always [10:57] thanks for the hospitality [10:57] any last words? [10:57] you all rock [10:57] hope to see some of you next week [10:57] let's have a great UDS and 13.04 [10:59] thanks! for those of you who have just arrived, logs will be linked in the wiki in the next couple minutes. make sure you come back at 13 UTC for more sessions, starting with the Translations team one! [11:00] and tomorrow, don't forget we'll be at www.ubuntuonair.com [11:00] Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/10/25/%23ubuntu-classroom.html === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Classroom - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom || Support in #ubuntu || Upcoming Schedule: http://is.gd/8rtIi || Questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat || [13:00] Welcome to open week day 2 [13:00] Loks of fiun [13:00] *lots [13:00] We;; Here we go [13:00] Yay === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Classroom - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom || Support in #ubuntu || Upcoming Schedule: http://is.gd/8rtIi || Questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat || Event: Ubuntu Open Week - Current Session: Ubuntu Translations Team - Instructors: hannie, trijntje [13:00] Welcome to the Open Week session Ubuntu Translations team [13:00] Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/10/25/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session. [13:01] In this session Trijntje and I, members of Ubuntu Dutch Translators, will talk about what to translate, how to contribute as a translator, how translations teams work and how to join them. [13:01] Hi everybody ;) [13:01] If you have any questions during the session, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-classroom-chat in the following format: [13:02] QUESTION: [13:02] Here we go: [13:02] What to translate? [13:03] When we talk about translating Ubuntu, we usually mean the GUI, that is everything you see on your desktop, in the menu's/indicators/Dash/Launcher, during installation etc. [13:03] Apart from this, we also have what we call UPSTREAM (trijntje will talk about this later) and documentation. [13:04] !QUESTION [13:06] Where to translate? [13:06] Launchpad [13:06] https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/ [13:06] This is where translations are done. We call this "online" translating. [13:06] You have to create a Launchpad account before you can start translating. [13:07] I will give you a few minutes to create a LP account [13:08] How does Launchpad work? [13:09] After chosing the language to translate into, you see all the translatable templates. [13:09] Part of them are translated elsewhere (Upstream), trijntje will explain this later. [13:10] I see no questions so far. Do you all understand what I have said so far? [13:11] In the column Status you see how much of the package is translated already (green=Translated, Red=Untranslated) [13:13] Clicking on a template name with untranslated strings takes you to the package. [13:13] Here you see the English string, the translation (if it exists) and a text field "New translation". [13:14] Just type your suggestion in this field. [13:14] Your suggestions will be reviewed/accepted or corrected by translators with full rights. [13:15] If a language already has a translation team, it is for the team to decide if the quality is good enough to make you a team member with full rights. [13:15] If a language does not have a translation team, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations > Create a new translation team [13:17] How do translation teams work? [13:17] Most teams have information on Launchpad, for example https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-nl [13:18] and their own web pages like http://wiki.ubuntu-nl.org/community/Vertaalteam [13:18] You can always contact someone from the team to get more information. [13:18] Our Dutch wiki has a lot of information like: [13:18] How to become a member, translation tools, reference material, status page (where translators can see what needs to be translated), how to communicate etc. [13:19] How to communicate? [13:19] If a team has its own mailing list, this is where team members exchange useful information, ask each other questions, inform about events, etc. [13:20] For details, go to the web pages of the team you are interested in. [13:21] Some teams have an irc channel which they can use to chat with other members of the team. [13:21] For general translation questions, subscribe to the mailing list of Ubuntu Translators: [13:21] ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com [13:24] dpm asked: Could you tell us a bit how you got involved in translations? -- There are 0 additional questions in the queue. [13:25] Well, just after I started using Ubuntu I contacted the Dutch translation team to see if I could help [13:26] I got a lot of information on how to join from Cumulus, who was owner of the team at the time. [13:27] Our team has expanded greatly in the past two years. Most of the GUI is translated into Dutch now. [13:27] !YES [13:28] sorry, wrong command [13:28] dpm asked: Could you tell us a bit how you got involved in translations? [13:28] see my answer above ;) [13:29] If there are no more questions about the general part, I let trijntje continue. He will talk about upstream translations [13:29] trijntje, the stage is yours [13:30] Thanks hannie! [13:30] as hannie said, I'll be talking about upstream translations, and how to get them into ubuntu [13:31] As many of you will know, most programs included in ubuntu are not written specifically for ubuntu, but are imported from their respective projects, which are collectively called 'upstream'. [13:31] For example, firefox is taken from mozilla, which means the mozilla project is the upstream for firefox in ubuntu. [13:32] Just as most programs in ubuntu are not written by members of the ubuntu community, most translations used in ubuntu are not made by ubuntu translators, but by upstream translation teams. [13:33] So, before diving into launchpad to start work on our favorite program, we better check if upstream has translations we can use, to prevent duplicate effort [13:34] Unfortunately, it is not very straigthforward to find out which upstream project a program comes from. [13:34] Usually gnome is a good bet, since it is the upstream for most programs included in ubuntu. Otherwise I usually just check the projects homepage, which often includes a page on how to contribute translations. [13:35] So, lets say we want to complete translations for evolution in ubuntu: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/evolution/+pots/evolution [13:36] First thing to do is to get both the ubuntu and upstream translations on your computer. [13:36] To do this you have to download the po-files, which is what launchpad and most other projects use behind the scenes. You can work on these translations offline using a po editor such as gtranslator, poedit or even gedit. [13:37] To get translations from launchpad, click on your language in the list, and then choose 'download translation'. In a few minutes, you will get an email from launchpad with a link where you can download the po file. [13:37] This is the link for Dutch, which I will use in this example: launchpadlibrarian.net/121067426/po_evolution-3.6-nl.po [13:38] (if you are reading the log, that link has probably expired) [13:38] Then we have to get the upstream translations from gnome http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/nl/all/ui/ [13:39] Replace nl with your language code to get the templates in your language. [13:39] Find evolution in the list, and download the 'master' version, which should have the latest translations. http://l10n.gnome.org/POT/evolution.master/evolution.master.nl.po [13:40] to merge the translations from upstream into the template for ubuntu, you can use the following terminal command:msgmerge evolution.master.nl.po po_evolution-3.6-nl.po -o merged.po [13:40] What this does is that for each translation in po_evolution-3.6-nl.po, it checks if it is also present in evolution.master.nl.po. If this is the case, it will copy the translation from master into the ubuntu template, and write the output to merged.po [13:41] When a translation cannot be found in master, it will simply keep the translation already present in the ubuntu template, so no work gets lost [13:41] What is perhaps even more important, is what happens when the english original is not exactly the same in both templates [13:42] When this is the case, msgmerge will still copy the translation from master into the ubuntu template, but will add a flag to the translation to indicate it isn't sure these translations are really the same [13:42] When this happens, the translation is marked as 'fuzzy' [13:43] Normally when a typo is fixed in the original English, the translations for that string will be discarded [13:43] However, with msmgerge that translation will be marked as fuzzy, and you don't have to redo the whole translation, you just have to check if the fuzzy translation is correct [13:44] so it can even be helpfull to merge translations for precise into quantal, just to get the fuzzys [13:45] So, after we have merged the file it is time to review all the fuzzys, to see if the suggestions are correct or not [13:45] After that, we are almost ready to upload the merged translations back to launchpad again (this is only possible for people who are member of a translation team) [13:46] first, we have to make sure the “X-Launchpad-Export-Date” header is present in the merged file, or else you will not be able to import it back into launchpad [13:47] to do this, just open the file from launchpad and the merged file in gedit, and simply copy the header if it is missing [13:47] then choose 'Upload translation” in the apropriate template in launchpad (https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/evolution/+pots/evolution/nl/+translate) , and after a few hours you should get an email confirming the translations were imported [13:48] Now, if the upstream translations are not complete there might still be work to do after importing the merged translations. If this is the case, please consider dropping upstream a message that you will be working on those translations for ubuntu, and ask if they would be interested in reusing your translations. [13:48] That way, more people will be using your great translations, and upstream can focus on other programs, which will also result in less work for you down the line. Everybody wins ;) [13:49] smartboyhw asked: When is the deadline for translating languages and how do you form a translations team? [13:49] trijntje, shall I answer this one? [13:49] sure [13:49] the first of the 2 questions? [13:50] for each version, we check the version's release schedule [13:50] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule?action=show&redirect=QReleaseSchedule [13:50] As for the second part of your question: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations > Create a new translation team [13:50] There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session. [13:51] trijntje, will you continue with the following question? [13:51] Timo asked: Are the upstream translations of programs automatically merged with the downstream ones? [13:52] For gnome, translations should be imported from upstream automatically [13:53] for other upstreams this is not the case. Furthermore, fuzzy's are discarded when translations are imported into launchpad, so even with automatic imports enabled it could save a lot of work to merge translations manually [13:53] Timo asked: And for KDE? [13:54] afaik, KDE translations are not imported automatically [13:55] There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session. [13:55] Any other questions? [13:57] if not, I guess that is the end of the session [13:58] commandoline asked: What's the nicest thing about translating Ubuntu, in your opinion(s)? [13:58] I guess so. I would like to thank everyone who was present for being here. I hope you got enough information from us and hopefully we see each other either on IRC or in a team [13:59] It's nice to know that people who do not speak English will be able to use ubuntu thanks to our work (and the work of upstream) [13:59] The nicest thing about translating is the contact with hard working people all over the world who make Ubuntu a success! [14:00] Thank you all for being here. === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Classroom - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom || Support in #ubuntu || Upcoming Schedule: http://is.gd/8rtIi || Questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat || Event: Ubuntu Open Week - Current Session: Ubuntu Quality Assurance Team - Instructors: smartboyhw [14:00] If there are any more questions, the ubuntu translators mailinglist always has people who are ready to help you out! [14:00] Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/10/25/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session. [14:01] OK guys welcome to Ubuntu Open Week! [14:01] Thanks hannie and trijntje for their session on translations:D [14:02] First of all, a brief intro of myself [14:02] My name's Howard Chan, a 14-year-old (yes) student from Hong Kong. [14:02] On the other hand I'm the QA contact for Ubuntu Studio, and I work my computer time a lot on testing. [14:03] So today I will tell you what is testing, how to do it, some important tools, and accept questions [14:03] Let's start! [14:03] So what is Quality Assurance? [14:04] Quality Assurance means that to try to make the software as bug-free as possible. [14:04] In our case that means: Testing! [14:05] The Ubuntu QA Team ensures Ubuntu is a high-quality product [14:05] And that means we need to make sure that no bugs are in it. [14:06] So what types of activities do we do? [14:06] So the first type is know as ISO Testing. [14:06] There are normally three types of ISO testing, depending on how much you want to participate [14:07] The first type is known as daily testing, where you do actually download an ISO every day and test it. [14:07] This will normally fit in a Virtual Machine or a test machine apart from your main computer [14:08] TheLordOfTime asked: In regards to your comment on making sure "that no bugs are in it", how do you deal with the sheer number of bugs in the software used in Ubuntu? [14:08] TheLordOfTime, quite interesting [14:09] The QA Team's main job is to find out bugs, to make sure that no hidden bugs are in it [14:10] After we find out a bug one of the guys from bugsquad or bugcontrol teams change their importance to either low, medium, high or critical [14:11] One of the developers of the package (for example if ubiquity has a bug, the Ubuntu Installer Team will be responsible) [14:11] will have to fix the bug and release a new version [14:12] If there is any bug that you find blocking your installation you must report it through the ISO QA Tracker. I will talk about the trackers later on. [14:12] Then there is "cadence" testing [14:13] The testing happens every two weeks, where we try to spot critical bugs that cuts into the way of installation [14:23] Sorry guys [14:23] Internet connection got haywire [14:23] Anyway go to iso.qa.ubuntu.com [14:23] Don't click Raring daily yet, there are no images there (except netboot) [14:23] so instead we will try Precise Daily images [14:24] So for this time click Ubuntu Desktop i386 [14:25] You will see loads of testcases [14:25] before testing we need to get the image. But how? [14:25] Click "Link to the download information" at the top of the page [14:26] To sync (or download) an ISO I recommend to use zsync [14:26] So in a terminal, type zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/precise/daily-live/20121025/precise-desktop-i386.iso.zsync [14:26]