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knightwisemorning everyone05:43
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diplomorning all07:09
popeymorning07:19
czajkowskialoha07:59
AlanBellmorning czajkowski and all o/08:00
christelmorning08:02
SuperMattmorning08:03
SuperMattoh dear, more websites getting the wrong end of the stick about mark's recent blog posts08:05
popeyoh?08:06
SuperMatthttp://www.extremetech.com/computing/138200-key-parts-of-ubuntu-13-04-will-be-developed-in-secret-to-escape-the-critics-ire08:08
SuperMattit's simple, key parts of ubuntu are being developed outside the public eye, they're just holding on to things until they're finished, but they will allow members of the community to see it and go over it before it's finished so there's more cohesive community feed back. A better signal to noise ratio08:09
popeymeh, that's a re-print from other sites08:10
SuperMattfair enough08:10
theopensourcereryawn08:15
SuperMattyup08:15
* theopensourcerer goes for some moar coffee08:15
diploSeems my sound issue could be down to EDAC module, can't test till monday now though :(08:16
theopensourcererI haz Jelly Bean on my S3...08:18
theopensourcererWhat's the difference? ;-)08:18
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dauberstheopensourcerer: Which jelly bean version?08:33
theopensourcerer4.1.108:34
daubersWhen you get 4.1.2 you can rotate the home screen08:34
theopensourcereroh great. That's something that really gets on my tits.08:36
theopensourcererThat wasn't meant to sounds sarcastic if it did.08:41
JamesTaitGood morning all! :)08:44
ali1234"We’ve … figured out that critics will be critics whether you discuss an idea with them in advance or not."08:46
ali1234well... duh08:46
ali1234if i don't like it i don't like it08:47
bittin^workbah need to burn another Xubuntu CD, Boss took the one laying around here for saving files from his borked Windows XP partition :p08:47
theopensourcererHah - interesting stats if you are into 007. Can't wait to see Skyfall.08:48
theopensourcererhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-2002636708:48
diploOff to see my gran in Plymouth tonight, might leave the kids with her on Fri/Sat night and go and watch that in town08:50
theopensourcererI have instructed Mrs theopensourcerer to find a suitable babysitter and FAST!08:51
diploheh08:51
SuperMattlist of things I hate in modern websites: background and foreground scrolling at different speeds08:51
theopensourcererlol - I hadn't noticed that until you mentioned it SuperMatt08:51
theopensourcererThat's quite cool.08:52
SuperMattcool, yes, but useful? readable? no08:52
ali1234if the background is making the text unreadable then the scrolling isn't the main problem08:55
brobostigongood morning everyone.09:06
BigRedSGood Morning!09:06
SuperMattgood morning09:06
bittin^workmorning09:07
brobostigonmorning bittin^work , BigRedS amd SuperMatt09:07
popeyhmm, my nexus 7 has 4.1.2 but the home screen doesn't rotate09:46
brobostigonpopey: have you disabled the rotate lock, in the notification menu?09:47
AlanBellpopey: home screen rotates on ours09:49
AlanBellpopey: so, when will the Ubuntu flashing instructions be published?09:49
AlanBelland can you easily back up the stock system?09:49
SuperMattoooh, finally my s3 is updating09:51
AlanBellMark Shuttleworth should be over in #ubuntu-classroom in 5 minutes or so answering questions09:53
AlanBellquestions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat09:53
popeynotification menu?09:53
popeyoh that09:54
SuperMattoh poops, I missed mark's bit09:55
SuperMattwhere are the logs?09:55
popeyit hasnt started09:55
AlanBell"in 5 minutes or so"09:55
SuperMattoh09:55
SuperMattawesome09:55
SuperMatthooray09:55
SuperMattfor UTC09:55
SuperMattthanks guys for letting me know :)09:56
knightwisehey peeps09:58
knightwisegrr09:59
knightwiseinstalled 12.0410:00
knightwiseupped the proprietary ATI driver10:00
knightwiseand no I cant get dual screen anymore :(10:00
diploI had loads of issues with dual screen on 12.04, 'just worked' on 12.1010:00
knightwisehmm.. :( 12.10 was still pretty buggy for me unfortunately10:02
knightwisejust downgraded to 12.04 again10:02
knightwisein 12.04  it worked out of the box too10:02
knightwisethen i installed the proprietary driver ..10:02
davmor2Morning all10:03
knightwiseany idea how i can dump the proprietary driver ?10:04
knightwiserequired virtual size does not fit available size: requested=(3840, 1200), minimum=(320, 200), maximum=(1920, 1920)10:05
diploI've changed xorg in the past, but I'm pretty much sure there is a way, I'll goggle a sec10:05
knightwiseor where i can tweak this10:05
diplohttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=186954010:05
knightwisehey diddledan10:11
BigRedSBah. 12.10's been released and now I'm having problems with it. When does 13.04 become available for testing?10:14
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diploheh10:16
BigRedS_every_ time, I spend the beta and RCs going "this is wonderful, everything's working" and then within days of release things start breaking...10:17
dwatkinsClearly you should have kept stumm, BigRedS :-/10:18
BigRedSI need a ubuntu equivalent of Debian Testing10:18
BigRedSor just Debian testing...10:18
dwatkinsI'm curious to try Debian, havn't used it for years. I got the impression it was more geared to being a server OS than a desktop one last time I used it.10:19
BigRedSDebian stable makes a rubbish desktop10:20
BigRedSbecause everything's so old. I used Testing on my laptop until not that long a go when I stuck 12.10 on it10:20
BigRedSTesting used to be basically an ugly Ubuntu that broke more frequently, but now that Gnome3 is pretty by default it's just Ubuntu without a lot of the nifty little tools or Unity10:21
theopensourcererGosh Debian Testing sounds great!10:22
BigRedShaha10:22
BigRedSI used to run Ubuntu with Gnome-shell on one PC and Debian on another and the big difference was the fonts10:23
dwatkinsbecause stuff is old? ;)10:23
BigRedSI do really like the ubuntu monospace font10:23
* dwatkins runs xeyes and compiles fvwm210:23
dwatkinsIf I feel lonely later on I might start xteddy so I have someone to talk to ;)10:23
dogmatic69bigcalm: like SPL?11:37
Knightwisehmm.. is it just me or does the launcher feel faster in 12.0411:51
popeyif it's slower, tell is via the gift of a bug report11:52
popeyand do you mean dash?11:52
davmor2Knightwise: it's faster for me in 12.10 although the minimise animations are slower but that is fairly trivial to speed up :)11:52
Knightwisepopey: i mean the dash indeed11:53
popeywhat video card Knightwise ?11:56
Knightwisepopey: an ATI , i 'll log in at home to check12:05
Knightwiseuut and abuut right now12:05
* Knightwise is on his macbook air , tethered to his iphone, logged into his ubuntu VM at home ,12:06
* BigRedS assumed Knightwise is canadian12:25
BigRedS(based on being "ooot and aboot"12:25
BigRedS)12:25
dwatkinsTethering is only possible in Canada?12:26
BigRedSNah, the way I read all those double us accent12:29
BigRedSer12:29
BigRedSs/accent$//12:29
dwatkinsdouble user?12:32
mgdmBigRedS: Scottish would work too12:34
dwatkinsaye12:35
BigRedSah yeah12:40
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BigRedSAnyone know if it's possible to get a self-hosted caldav calendar to appear in Google calendar?13:35
theopensourcererBigRedS: Sure. export your calendar as ICS and then import it into Google ;-)13:36
BigRedSHm. That could work13:37
BigRedSI've been doing so much daft screen-scraping stuff recently that, really, I'd be quite up for knocking that together...13:37
theopensourcererThere is a half/decent google API for Calendar integration and some client libs13:38
BigRedSOooh. I could even do it properly13:38
theopensourcererBut from my experience CalDAV seems to be a client/server kind of arrangement rather than a peer-peer.13:38
daubersCalDAV (like iCal) SUCKS13:39
theopensourcererI use Lightning as a CalDAV consumer to Google13:39
theopensourcererWorks fine.13:39
theopensourcererCalDAV is basically ICS over WebDAV13:39
BigRedSdaubers: yeah, this is largely because a customer wants caldav and I want something to learn it on where it doesn't matter too much if I break it13:40
theopensourcererDavical13:40
BigRedSyeah, that's the one we're using13:40
theopensourcererIt's pretty much the only game in town. Used to be Cosmo (Chandler Project) but hasn't been touched in ages.13:41
theopensourcererOpenERP supports CalDAV and a calendar server too.13:42
theopensourcererhttp://chandlerproject.org/Projects/CosmoHome13:42
BigRedSAlways plugging the OpenERP :)13:42
theopensourcererJust sayin13:43
BigRedShaha, yeah :)13:43
BigRedSIt's all postgresy, too, so I might also end up finally using a real database13:43
BigRedSI've been meaning to do that for ages, but MySQL's pretty comfortable13:44
popeyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/107129813:49
popey\o/13:49
lubotu3Ubuntu bug 1071298 in Unity "ALT+Tab switches to incorrect window" [Undecided,In progress]13:49
BigRedSthat's a new bug? :)14:02
popeywell indeed14:02
popeyi couldn't find an existing one14:02
popeybut I poked someone to fix it14:02
BigRedSYeah, I read it and it's not something I'd have seen. I just meant that for aaaaages normal behaviour was to get an apparently random screen14:03
popey:)14:03
diploAnyone recommend a good program to copy down youtube vids ?14:03
BigRedSWhich reminds me, are there guidelines to say when my envelope is supposed to be blue for webapps? Mine seems to *always* be blue14:04
AlanBellpopey: surely that is intended behavior?14:21
popeyintended that ALT+TAB gives you the window you were already on?14:21
popeyno14:21
AlanBellwow14:21
popeywhat?14:22
popeysorry, i can't tell if you're being sarcastic or what14:22
AlanBellno, I thought it was supposed to be application switching14:22
AlanBellso slow alt-tab would take you to some random window of the next application in the z-index14:23
popeythis is specifically an issue for multiple windows of the same app14:23
AlanBellbecause everyone has a natural grasp of the z-index of applications14:23
AlanBelloh I see, if you let go after the alt-tab bar comes up, but before the detail switcher arrives14:24
popeyyes14:24
theopensourcererALT+TAB never seems to do what I want :-(14:25
theopensourcererEspecially with a multiple monitor setup as I have just demonstrated to my erstwhile colleague14:27
davmor2http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=M660rjNCH0A :D14:44
bootlkjkgf õò   ГЕДĽĽЧ15:31
dwatkinsGesundheit15:31
bigcalmdogmatic69: not looked at it any further than googling PHP SPL. Should I dig a little deeper?15:42
dogmatic69bigcalm: Its pretty much life changing.15:43
dogmatic69Iterators are awesome.15:43
bigcalmdogmatic69: do you have an example?15:44
dogmatic69ever done something like CSV imports?15:44
bigcalmYes15:45
dogmatic69you used cakePHP before?15:45
bigcalmStill managing 2 1.1 apps15:45
dogmatic69bigcalm: not sure how 1.1 models were but should be similar.15:49
dogmatic69http://bin.cakephp.org/view/26719843215:49
bigcalmdogmatic69: vert neat15:49
bigcalmGreen?15:50
bigcalmVery neat15:50
dogmatic69heeh15:50
dogmatic69I updated a bit there.15:50
dogmatic69bigcalm: as you can see, minimal code. The main thin is that memory usage does not climb.15:51
bigcalmThat is nice15:51
dogmatic69I am importing a csv with 40k rows and memory usage remains the same from before the import through done15:51
bigcalmLots of freading going on I guess15:51
dogmatic69well it does not read the entire file. It reads line by line15:52
dogmatic69pretty much like doing less in terminal.15:52
bigcalmIndeed15:52
bigcalmdogmatic69: have you been sucked into PHP 5.4 yet?15:52
dogmatic69You can see more usage in the tests https://github.com/infinitas/infinitas/tree/dev/Core/Data/Test/Case/Lib/Csv15:52
dogmatic69I have it on my one dev box, but my app does not run on 5.415:53
dogmatic69E_STRICT :(15:53
bigcalmI was rather surprised that my laptop is now using PHP 5.4 since upgrading to Ubuntu 12.1015:53
dogmatic69errors, errors every where.15:53
bigcalmYeah, that's my concern with some existing projects15:53
dogmatic695.4 is default with 10.10?15:53
bigcalm12.10, yes15:53
dogmatic6912.10*15:53
dogmatic69damn. I almost upgraded...15:53
dogmatic69Will have to wait till I fix the errors15:54
bigcalmI'm keeping my dev server on LTS15:54
bigcalmYou could always pin PHP to 5.315:54
dogmatic69I use php5-dev on my boxes.15:54
dogmatic69added some ppa for 5.4 and mysql 5.5 on the other one.15:54
mrevellAnyone here from Manchester LUG?15:57
bigcalmmrevell: you might have better luck asking in #phpnw15:58
mrevellcheers bigcalm15:58
bigcalmThough TBH, I don't know how many Linux users there are in the PHP dev community15:59
bigcalmI wish it were 100%15:59
mgdmmrevell: ping?16:04
mrevellmgdm, Yo. I've totally failed to send you any slightly broken Acers. Sorry about that.16:08
mrevellmgdm, Yo. I've totally failed to send you any slightly broken Acers. Sorry about that.16:08
mgdmmrevell: hehe, no worries, I was ust wondering if I'd forgotten to do something :)16:08
mgdmmrevell: I'm in no hurry so take your time16:08
mrevellXChat is a bit broken, so I can't see anything16:09
mgdmthat any better?16:09
AzelphurHmm, does a phone being off stop it being able to receive text messages?16:28
Azelphurme phone is throwing errors when trying to text a specific person16:28
Azelphurmy*16:28
mgdmNo16:28
mgdmit's a store-and-forward system16:28
Azelphuroddness \o/16:28
mgdmif the number doesn't exist, it might throw a wobbly16:29
mgdmI've heard that, at least16:29
Azelphurnah it definitely exists because I've texted it before loads of times16:29
MartijnVdSmaybe they cancelled the contract?16:29
MartijnVdSor maybe you've been tagged as a stalker?16:29
Azelphurhaha, perhaps :P16:29
MartijnVdSmaybe the server is down?16:29
AzelphurIt's an iPhone user, so I'll blame that :D16:30
* Azelphur points and laughs at iPhone16:30
MartijnVdSthey ran out of money for their plan then ;)16:30
Azelphurindeed16:30
AzelphurI just did the stalker thing and texted her son anyway16:36
AzelphurxD16:37
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webpigeonAzelphur: take the battery out, wait a while and put it back in16:59
webpigeonthen clobber the user round the head for breaking their text messages and owning an iphone16:59
webpigeonor just try again, your call :P17:00
Azelphurhehe17:00
Flashtekright, where can I get a CCTV setup with audio that's safe to use outdoors that will not break the bank17:15
Flashtek?17:15
AlanBellFlashtek: £35 ok for you?17:19
AlanBellhttp://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/cam/17:19
bootlkjkgfFlashtek, Npt sure I'm leading down the wrong path, but I think Chris Pirillo had one in his latest vidz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWsE9mJovTc&feature=g-all-u17:19
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FlashtekAlanBell: £35 is ok :)17:26
AlanBellthat one is outside but under cover slightly17:27
Myrttiwell, I feel accomplished today. Survived a shopping trip to Ikea and a big computer retailer without too much purchased, and I've applied for two jobs. Don't know should I try my luck and try a mince pie.17:27
Flashteki need to cover the porch area out the front17:29
Myrttibtw waiting for the first snow to fall :-P17:30
Flashtekthe PTZ is not a requirement, but if it's already there, so be it17:30
AlanBellno Z17:34
FlashtekAlanBell: can that cam be PoE powered ?17:36
AlanBellit wants 5v17:36
Flashteksupplied with PSU ?17:36
Flashtekbut 5v poe ?17:36
AlanBellyou could strip a pair out of an ethernet cable and with some solder and gaffer tape sort it out :)17:37
Flashtekhas night vision facility onboard ?17:38
AlanBellyes17:39
AlanBellin darkness the LEDs turn on and you get black and white images17:39
Flashtekthat's fine17:39
AlanBellthe sensor doesn't change mode17:39
AlanBellin fact if you look at the picture now you can see the bricks are black and white and the window in the door is yellow17:40
AlanBellit is dark out there17:40
Flashtekkk17:41
Flashtekoh yeah17:41
SuperEngineersolder, gaffer tape, LEDs, night vision..... SuperEngineer is sweating... this is SuperEngineer pornography17:42
SuperEngineerif the next item includes dip switches & firmware resets.... I'm a gonna!17:44
FlashtekSuperEngineer: how about we start talking RS485 ?17:45
SuperEngineeroooo... oooo - stop it!17:45
* Flashtek gets his RJ45/RJ11 crimper out and points it at SuperEngineer 17:52
DaraelFlashtek: I should be careful, were I thee.  No knowing what might happen if thou pushest SuperEngineer much further.17:53
Flashtekhmm.... i need to think about the logistics of getting a power source out to the front door...17:55
* SuperEngineer thanks Darael for saving SuperEngineer17:57
SuperEngineerhas anyone tried [with no ill effects] adding Cinamon to desktop options? [ http://www.linuxbsdos.com/category/ubuntu/ ]17:59
FlashtekAlanBell: http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-Ethernet-Including-Injector-Splitter/dp/B0038X3RVA/ref=pd_sim_computers_118:01
SuperEngineeractually - this link is more relevant: http://tinyurl.com/cinamondesktop18:02
AlanBellFlashtek: anyhow, it has wifi18:02
AlanBellall you need to do is run power to it18:02
AlanBellor do Power over Wifi :)18:02
Flashtekyeah, i need a PoW injector then right ?18:02
AlanBellexactly :)18:02
shaunothis is fantastic fun.  an ssl problem at google affecting users in ireland.  and absolutely no way to contact google about it, because they want you to go via google groups, and accounts.google.com requires ssl18:03
Flashtekand where can i get one ?18:03
Flashteklol18:04
SuperEngineerbbs - gonna have a look at this cinamon thing... doing the "don't knock it if you don't know it principle"18:15
bootlkjkgfFlashtek, http://hackaday.com/2012/10/25/a-beautiful-pinhole-camera-takes-wonderful-photos/18:32
SuperEngineerhmmm; just tried cinamon on 12.04... & forced to admit that I *can* see it's merits [& congrats to the devs & designers]18:48
SuperEngineer,,,  I'm back here on Unity though ;)18:48
exaemI really like Unity on 12.1018:53
exaem12.10 is just awesome18:53
d3ngarHi, I seem to have a problem removing courier-imap20:39
d3ngarI get this error message:20:39
d3ngar* ERR: /usr/sbin/couriertcpd missing20:39
zleapHI21:21
zleapis the following technically correct ?21:21
zleapI have also set up 3 laptops with ubuntu and lubuntu which is based on the GNU/Linux kernel.21:21
directhexzleap: no.21:21
zleapok21:21
zleapwhat should it be then21:21
directhexzleap: the kernel is Linux. the OS is GNU/Linux. so either based on the Linux kernel or based on the GNU/Linux OS21:22
directhexhint: the former is better since the latter makes you sound like a pretentious douche21:22
zleapi have no idea what pretentios douch is21:22
zleapor means21:22
zleapso can you help me reword that properly21:23
zleapSet up laptops to run the GNU/Linux operating system21:23
directhexthat'll do21:23
zleapthanks21:24
directhexd3ngar: sounds like you're missing part of the package - so when the uninstall tries to stop the daemon, the daemon is missing, causing script failure21:24
directhexd3ngar: try erasing /var/lib/dpkg/info/courier-imap.prerm21:24
directhexor something along those lines21:24
directhexthe prerm script is the one called before files are erased, typically to stop daemons21:24
d3ngardirecthex: Will try21:26
d3ngarThanks21:26
bigcalmTum te tum21:30
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