[05:17] morning all [05:41] morning === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg [06:59] morning folks [06:59] o/ [07:10] Good morn Ubuntu peeps [07:12] hiya Vince-0 === Kerbero is now known as Kerbero[afk] === Kerbero[afk] is now known as Kerbero [07:33] good mornings [07:34] morning superfly and All others [07:35] Kilos: hmm... [07:35] het ek jou wakker gemaak? [07:35] Kilos: goeie more [07:35] morning Kilos, inetpro [07:35] nee inetpro kop klap toe staan ek eers nou op [07:36] ai, skuus oom [07:36] Kilos: ek het net so paar sekondes voor jy ingestap het vir almal gegroet [07:37] lol [07:38] ek het my maverick lelik gedooi [07:39] boot-repair het lank gevat toe doen ek forcequit om te gaan slaap en nou sien bios nie eers die ding nie [07:39] hehe [07:39] patience is a virtue [07:40] more haste less speed [07:45] Kilos: wat het 'n boot-repair te doen met die bios? [07:46] boot-repair maak mbr en boot reg maar as jy dit dooi terwyl besig is mbr en boot weg [07:46] bios moet n mbr sien [07:46] logies [07:46] maar dink jy die probleem is op die hardeskyf? [07:46] ek dink nie so nie [07:47] dit sien ander skywe maar nie my maverick nie [07:47] en ek sê dit omdat hy werk in die een rekenaar en nie die ander nie [07:48] die probleem moet tog op die masjien wees!? [07:48] dis vat my deurmekaar maak. ek dink ou pc is miskien sterker as die p4 [07:48] nie so finicky nie [07:49] dis hoekom nuvo hom gebere het [07:49] ek het lank gesukkel toe ek dit gekry het maar sal dit weer reg kry [07:51] ek wil boot-repair kry wat jy kan brand op n cd maar weet nie hoe groot dit is nie [07:51] ten minste het jy nou 'n spaar masjien waarmee jy kan aanlyn bly [07:52] ja dis wonderlik [07:52] Kilos: het jy nie 'n stokkie nie? [07:52] lol dit het kde op [07:53] in plaas daarvan om 'n CD te mors gebruik 'n stokkie [07:53] die goed is goedkoop deesdae [07:53] en jy kan dit oor en oor gebruik [07:53] ek het net die 2g ene maar kan seker kde afhaal want my kde werk mooi [07:54] jy kans selfs die kde ene format en kde weer oplaai [07:54] hou net die ISO op disk iewers [07:54] eish dis ook daar op die maverick skyf [07:55] 'n stokkie is soos 'n floppie van ouds, gebruik dit as 'n tydelike stoor meganisme [07:55] ja ek kan seker dit copy hiernatoe [07:57] reading the afr tech even though it is my native language makes my head hurt >.< [07:57] onthou om nie net te copy nie maar om die ISO te skep vanaf die rou toestel (device) [07:58] sjoe [07:58] sorry nlsthzn morning to you [07:58] Kilos: anders is hy nooit weer bootable nie [07:58] :) morning uncle Kilos , inetpro ... [07:58] good morning nlsthzn [07:58] inetpro, is there an easy way [07:59] like dd or something [07:59] Kilos: very very simple [07:59] I am having terrible luck with ubuntuforums.org since swithing to 12.10... it is the only site but it is taking ages to load for me :/ weird... [07:59] thats no good nlsthzn [07:59] just weird [07:59] Kilos: just make sure the flash drive is not mounted before you create the ISO from the raw device [08:00] ok please tell me inetpro [08:00] i got to copy the iso from the flash to here [08:00] being a moderator on a forum that takes 5 minutes to load pages is not fun :( [08:00] no good nlsthzn fix it [08:00] Kilos: what is the device name? [08:01] 2G [08:01] its mounted nou [08:01] now [08:01] type mount [08:01] mount [08:02] tell me the line with the flash folder [08:02] lotsa stuff [08:04] i think this is it [08:04] Kilos: watter vouer maak jy gewoonlik oop as hy gemount is? [08:04] /dev/sdd1 on /media/2G type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush,uhelper=udisks) [08:04] lyk reg [08:04] niks op unity nie [08:04] so dit is /dev/sdd1 [08:05] wys net op links [08:05] ja lyk so [08:05] m.a.w. nou moet jy unmount [08:05] en dan [08:05] oja, voor dan [08:06] het jy genoeg spasie op jou disk? [08:06] ja baie [08:06] ok [08:06] sudo umount /dev/sdd1 ne [08:06] ja [08:07] en dan weer mount om seker te maak hy's weg [08:07] sudo dd if=/dev/sdd of=/home/kilos/kde.iso [08:08] dit wys nog hier links na umount, is dit reg? [08:08] dit moet mos verdwyn [08:09] * inetpro wbb [08:09] dankie [08:17] Kilos: het jy dit gedoen? [08:18] dit doen nog iets [08:18] wat bedoel jy? [08:18] eers gesukkel want daar is nie n kilos hier nie [08:18] hehe [08:18] sudo dd if=/dev/sdd of=/home/miles/kde.iso [08:19] ahh, mooi [08:19] dis nie daar nie [08:20] nee man, jy seker? [08:20] ls -l /home/miles/kde.iso [08:21] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2021593088 Oct 25 10:18 /home/miles/kde.iso [08:21] nou wat is dit? [08:21] die root steel alles [08:21] chown miles:miles /home/miles/kde.iso [08:21] maklik om dit te fix [08:21] met -R [08:22] ? [08:22] nee [08:22] ok [08:22] lol [08:22] man chown [08:22] ja dis nou daar. baie dankie inetpro [08:22] sjoe maar daai iso is massief [08:23] 733 as ek reg onthou [08:23] nee, 2G [08:23] 2GB [08:23] was hy vol? [08:23] 2.0 GB (2,021,593,088 bytes) [08:24] nee 2,021,593,088 bytes [08:24] toe ek die iso gemaak het was 733 [08:24] :-) [08:24] ek weet nie wat nou daar is nie [08:25] hmm... maak nie saak nie, feit is nou kan jy dit weer terugsit [08:25] ja baie dankie [08:25] met usb-creator of so iets [08:26] ja dis wat ek gebruik het [08:26] pleasier oom [08:26] wens partykeer jy was n vrou [08:26] makliker om vrouens lief te he [08:26] hehe [08:27] eish! [08:27] haha [08:27] ek terg man [08:48] Kilos: oja, jy kan natuurlik die ISO image weer net so terug site met dd [08:49] net anders om natuurlik [08:49] man dd [08:49] baie dankie boetie ek het dit gesave [08:49] man te heavy om te lees en verstaan [08:50] nee man [08:50] as hulle eers begin als in [ sit} sjoe [08:50] hoe meer jy dit lees hoe meer maak dinge sin [08:50] ok maar eers maverick reg maak [08:50] there's method in the madness! [08:51] lol [08:51] you trying to make them commands come outa sudconscious [08:51] like apt-get and aptitude [08:53] oh and rsync [08:54] yay got sisters maverick to see my maverick drive [08:55] used win 98 cd and did fdisk /mbr [08:56] eish the boot-repair-disk iso is 355 meg [08:56] next month [08:57] http://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/files/ [09:00] So far Gnome Shell is proving far more stable than Unity and equally shiny. [09:01] hi Hodgestar morgs [09:01] Hodgestar, you using an old pc? [09:01] Kilos: No, the opposite. [09:01] hiya [09:02] Hey. :) [09:02] oh my, my older pc battles with unity but here on a 3gig P4 it works fine [09:03] dont like it much but everything works at least [09:08] Yeah, I'm using Awesome on my old laptop. [09:08] I'm trying to mainstream for a bit. :) [09:09] hehe [09:10] wbb [09:39] good morning [09:39] Maaz: coffee on [09:39] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [09:41] Maaz, tea please [09:41] As soon as the kettle boils I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already [09:41] Maaz, thanks [09:42] nlsthzn: Sure [09:43] Coffee's ready for charlvn! [09:46] hi charlvn [10:04] Maaz: thanks [10:04] charlvn: Sure [10:04] hi Kilos [10:05] i managed to do something weird here... i installed the gnome-shell, xubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop and lubuntu-desktop packages on 12.10 [10:05] now when i try to log out, i don't get the desktop manager, i just get a console and it seems to hang [10:06] ai [10:06] perhaps try installing lightdm again> [10:06] ? [10:06] i selected to continue to use the default lightdm [10:06] gdm is better [10:06] maybe yeah [10:06] i also had lightdm give probs and the option was to install gdm and then it lets you choose [10:07] i'm going to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm and see what it does [10:09] ok this is irritating... i rebooted the vm and i just get a blank screen now [10:09] i dunno if i installed it first [10:09] ai [10:10] ok lemme reboot it again... this time by shutting it down normally and starting it back up [10:10] inetpro, used sisters maverick to boot-repair mine and can now at least boot into it as second drive [10:10] hehe [10:11] ah ok now i have a desktop again, lemme try to configure the dm [10:11] saved my kde iso to external as well [10:12] ok configured it to use gdm instead of lightdm but after logging out i still get the same black screen [10:12] bah, this really sucks [10:12] i just get this now: http://i.imgur.com/S6OZo.png [10:13] and then it stays like thaty [10:13] *that [10:14] hahahahah [10:14] my dog = STUPID [10:14] Symmetria: what did he do? [10:14] I was on a skype call from my tv to a colleague in uganda, dog runs in the room, looks at the tv, sees him, hears him, and promptly goes ballistic [10:14] she was barking at him and growling at him and running around and around the room trying to actually FIND him [10:15] oh god that was hilarious [10:16] :D [10:19] Maaz, seen magespawn [10:19] Kilos: magespawn was last seen 2 days, 3 hours, 14 minutes and 48 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-10-23 00:04:42 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2012-10-18 04:49:47 PDT [10:39] Symmetria: lol @ your dog [10:42] * nlsthzn is back on 12.04 and all the internet issues have gone away... weird timing perhaps [10:42] who knows :) [10:51] what is an invalid CHS sector [10:51] running recovery on maverick [10:52] Symmetria, perhaps your dog don't have any sense of smell [10:52] lol [10:52] we had a cat once that hissed at himself in a mirror [10:53] ya animals are funny in front of a mirror [10:53] had many a laugh at that with dogs [10:57] Used to have a bull terrier, if it saw itself in a mirror that was the end of the mirror... [10:57] lol my staffies gave us many a chuckle [10:58] hair all a bristle then step around mirror and like hey whered that dog go [10:58] they love to do the stiff leg walse before a fight [11:10] wow [11:10] just... wow [11:10] how stupid are american republicans [11:10] http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/richard-mourdock-on-gods-intentions/ [11:10] lol [11:15] your cpu seems to be lacking expected security protection [11:15] sjoe [11:15] lol [11:16] /usr/bin/check-bios-nx --verbose [11:16] sjoe [11:16] 30 mins to run recovery [11:16] pc very sicker [11:18] /etc/gdm/custom.conf no such file or directory [11:18] sjoe [11:18] sudo gdm start always worked [11:22] nlsthzn: did you downgrade from 12.10? what type of issues were you having? [11:22] Kilos: are you no longer able to start gdm now after the recovery? [11:23] no but at least the drive is working now [11:23] it crashed so bios didnt even see it [11:23] oh wow [11:23] i am installing lubuntu now straight from the iso [11:23] charlvn, no real issues, I was enjoying 12.10 but since install I have had issues connecting to any ubuntu sites, the planet, the forum etc. and since going back to 12.04 all is back to normal (funny thing is even on Windows I could not connect so I doubt it is related :p) [11:23] power cuts are bad news [11:24] nlsthzn: very interesting, can't say i have had any of those issues myself [11:24] yeah most likely it was a problem on ubuntu's side [11:24] the servers i mean [11:24] :) I decided to revert back to 12.04... can't beat 5 years of updates for this old lappy :p [11:24] must have been [11:25] yeah === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [11:27] wow, lubuntu 12.10 is super fast compared to the regular ubuntu!! [11:28] but i do have a strange wallpaper issue (not important): http://i.imgur.com/QpSiT.png [11:31] Hey looks what I found: http://www.ext2fsd.com/ [11:31] There is one for ReiserFS too [11:35] ah, interesting [11:36] that definitely comes in handy for dual-booters [11:36] that said, with virtualisation i don't think there are many people who still dual boot their maschines these days [11:36] err [11:36] game much? [11:37] no virtual machine will make windows games playable on linux [11:38] tonberry352_: i hardly game at all :) although i don't think that is entirely true [11:38] ok [11:38] no game that needs 3d support [11:38] tonberry352_: from what i have heard, a lot of games that don't require high amounts of gpu resources run pretty well under a virtual machine [11:39] tonberry352_: that doesn't necessarily matter either because both vmware workstation and virtualbox has support for 3d acceleration now [11:39] very very slow 3d acceleration [11:39] at least last time i tried [11:39] it was useless [11:39] i wouldn't say it's useless but i'm sure it can do with some more work [11:40] ok useless for playing any game that I wanted to play at the time [11:40] to test if something like unity 3d or areo works sure [11:41] aero* [11:41] yeah, but again, it depends on how intensive the game is and of course on your hardware [11:41] but in general i think gaming is a perfectly good excuse for running a dual boot [11:41] actually, i would rather just run linux inside a vm then [11:41] if you have a good gaming rig i'm sure it should cope with that easily === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [11:42] it could, but then you would have to run windows as your primary os.... [11:42] so? :) [11:42] i do this at work and on win7 i have had hardly any crashes [11:42] that said, i'm not a windows fan ;) [11:43] but generally speaking running linux inside a vm with full screen mode works brilliantly, even across two monitors [11:44] i tried running a linux pc like that in virtualbox [11:44] short term it was fine [11:44] but long term stability became a problem [11:44] interesting, can't say i have had that experience at all [11:44] virtualbox tended to do funny things to its network over time [11:45] hmmm, to the virtual network interfaces or do you mean to the physical lan? [11:45] lan/wlan/whatever [11:45] was a virtual interface to lan bridge [11:45] tended to stop working or just get funny after about a week or so [11:46] ah, ok, i mostly just ran it nat'ted and had none of that really [11:47] although, that was on osx as the host operating system, not on windows [11:47] on windows i have mostly been running vmware now [11:47] was linux on linux in my case [11:47] ah ok === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [11:49] I dualboot, so it has it's uses [11:49] Most of my music is on my Linux partition for example [11:49] hey Kilos [11:50] hey magespawn you ok there? [11:50] yup just been busy bit sick one day, but all good therwise, oh ja, and out of mobile airtime for the month so no connecting from home [11:51] aw [11:51] you need to get your wireless network going [11:52] time though [11:52] and the red tape is unbelivable [11:52] eish [11:53] everyone wants a slice [11:54] magespawn: you want to get a wug going or something? [11:54] yes but also wifi for the guest houses in hluhluwe [11:55] ah [11:56] the red tape comes in where you want to provide internet [11:58] ah, then you become like an isp right? [11:58] instead of a closed network [11:59] i have some experience with that, although all that i wanted to do was create a closed network :) [11:59] for a wug, basically [12:00] ooh, kubuntu 12.10 is running really smoothly [12:02] with most of the equipment you can set up vlans so you split the various groups up [12:03] as long as you use the licence free bands then nobody seems to mind [12:04] but with the isp bit then the red tape quadruples [12:05] i see, i think the regulation also changed quite a lot in the last 8 years or so [12:06] the icasa lady i spoke to was very helpful [12:08] that's definitely new : [12:08] :) [12:08] * Squirm yawns [12:09] Squirm: we _that_ boring? lol [12:09] charlvn: I have no other reason to yawn [12:09] :D [12:09] maybe i was lucky [12:20] magespawn, maybe you find this useful one day. i am kooking at it but dunno how far i will get [12:20] not downloading any iso's [12:20] looking [12:20] grub rescue> [12:20] grrr [12:21] sorry Kilos? [12:21] why you sorry? [12:22] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1599293 [12:22] * Kilos slow at times [12:22] not understanding what you said [12:23] that link helps fix drive if you get grub rescue> prompt [12:24] na too involved [12:27] * Kilos takes the plunge and tries to install 12.04 on my old maverick drive without /home delete [12:27] wish me luck as you wave me goodbye [12:28] if it is not broken don not fix it [12:29] it is badly broken. cant boot [12:30] took a day of boot repairs to get it to get to grub rescue> [12:31] ok another try with boot-repair from other drive [12:44] need to steal modem wbb [13:14] weird [13:14] run boot-repair on my maverick, reboot and get missing OS [13:14] whew [13:15] something in power supply or mb [13:15] put my drive back as second drive and boot from small drive and maverick sees both [13:24] * inetpro driven up the walls by ubuntu printing issues [13:24] eish [13:24] one thing that really needs to addressed in a proper way is printing [13:24] pro wallpaper [13:25] I don't know what it is but it's as if certain updates have broken my printing again [13:27] now how do I configure a printer to use a shared printer connected to a windows 7 machine? === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [13:29] eina [13:29] voorspoed [13:44] i never got that right inetpro === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [14:15] ok seems to me our beloved Microsoft is into the money making business again [14:16] again? [14:16] still [14:16] you're not supposed to set up Windows 7 client machine as a printer server [14:16] * Trixar_za twitches [14:16] hehe [14:17] unless you pay $49 first [14:17] My eye always twitches when I hear people refer to HTML, XML and CSS as programming languages [14:18] Trixar_za: indeed [14:20] Javascript, ASP, PHP, Java and even Flash driven sites maybe :P [14:20] But CSS? Never [14:22] apparently you can set up IPP printer sharing on Windows Server 2008 [14:58] Yoh GTFO and run time already [15:00] yup inetpro you need to win 7 ultimate or something i think [15:01] so damn frustrating! [15:01] Trixar_za: they are markup and scripting languages right? [15:02] Markup Languages yes [15:02] yup inetpro try networking win xp pro and win 7 anything but ultimate [15:02] The term script language itself is pretty broad these days [15:03] Even if the language compiles to a binary, it's still considered a scripting language if it simplifies the writing process [15:03] right [15:03] i understand [15:03] the network printer I usually print to needs a new print head cartridge, only other available printers are connected to windows 7 hosts [15:04] flash drive inetpro, lol [15:04] magespawn: no it's much easier than that, but it's very frustrating if I can't just print directly [15:05] all I need to do is to let a colleague print via teh network [15:05] the* [15:06] anyway i am off home see y'all tomrrow [15:06] bye magespawn [15:10] Right, my Q/A bot has been updated [15:10] https://github.com/Trixarian/tazbot [15:11] Made it more flexible so people can change everything about it in the conf file including messages. Laziness prevails :P [15:21] That should make it easier to understand [15:34] hey Trixar_za [15:34] Hey Kilos [16:26] yo SmilyBorg_ psydroid [16:28] hi Kilos [16:48] Hey there === SmilyBorg_h is now known as SmilyBorg === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [17:21] hi Cantide hows the studies going? [17:21] umm [17:21] exactly 1 week until exams [17:21]