[00:00] <trism> h6w: ubuntu-bug update-manager; I would guess, it can be reassigned later
[00:00] <conner_bw> Hi, Question: I updated to 12.10 from 12.04 and it's defaulting to linux kernel 3.5.0-17-lowlatency. Is this right?
[00:01] <dem0n> okay sorry guys i had to switch from NAT to BRIDGED mode in vmware player which required me to restart linux and vmware player
[00:01] <reuf> jrib: thanks - thanks thats it
[00:01] <reuf> PatrickDickey: thanks that does it too
[00:01] <Fishscene> dem0n: That's a good start. How is it looking now?
[00:02] <dem0n> okay now that i am in bridged mode i should in theory just be able to start the vnc server (tightvnc) and then plug in my private ip address in "androidvnc" with the vnc port -> 5901 and should be all set right?
[00:02] <dem0n> Fishscene: i am about to try it out...
[00:02] <jilebedev> Mount question: can I mount the root of my filesystem as an nfs mount point at /mnt/foobar ?
[00:02] <BusyBoxes> dem0n depends on iptables
[00:02] <Fishscene> dem0n: If it doesn't work, report back and we'll look more into your setup.
[00:02] <BusyBoxes> dem0n: also depends on whether you restarted your network interfaces to obtain the new bridged ip.
[00:03] <compdoc> dem0n, the port is usually :1
[00:04] <compdoc> dem0n, what ip address is the vm now?
[00:05] <dem0n> 192.168.1.13
[00:05] <dem0n> hey guys what would be the correct way to start vncserver with a good resolution and 24bps color setting
[00:06] <Fishscene> dem0n: Your previous IP address was 192.168.1.13... Could you double-check that the network settings are correct? Unless of course, your NAT connection was using the same IP address range as your LAN..
[00:06] <PatrickDickey> conner_bw: The kernel type (lowlatency) is determined by what your hardware supports. So, I would say as long as it works, then it's probably the right one.
[00:07] <BusyBoxes> dem0n: reboot the virtual machine please then give us the inet address again
[00:07] <dem0n> Fishscene: i actually typed the wrong when i first connected it was actually 192.168.8.63 this is what is was before i used "bridged connection"
[00:08] <conner_bw> PatrickDickey: But it wasn't lowlatency in 12.04 AFAIK, did this change?
[00:08] <BusyBoxes> dem0n: ok ping that vmware ip from your windows machine
[00:08] <PatrickDickey> conner_bw: They added that flavour of kernel in 12.10
[00:08] <BusyBoxes> let me know if you get a reply
[00:08] <conner_bw> PatrickDickey, Ok thanks.
[00:08] <reuf> whats the use of .bashrc directory?
[00:08] <PatrickDickey> conner_bw: Not a problem.
[00:08] <Fishscene> brb. sorry
[00:09] <jaymartinez> i just setup ubuntuone where is that cloud icon in the taskbar? i dont see any info on what ubuntuone is doing
[00:09] <PatrickDickey> reuf, it's a file. You use it to set your bash profile up. For example, I have mine set up with colors and a hindu meditation.
[00:09] <dem0n> okay i just pinged my linux box from my windows box and it looks good
[00:09] <dem0n> 0% packet loss
[00:09] <reuf> PatrickDickey: is it different for every user?
[00:10] <PatrickDickey> reuf, yes. Well it can be. If you set up yours, it will be different from everyone else on that computer.
[00:10] <jmc1> Hi, anyone know what to do? I have activated Xinerama and had to reboot, since than, I cant see anything on the screen, only the wallpaper and mouse, I cant even right clic on the mouse but I still see the mouse going trough monitors
[00:10] <f0urtyfive> Anyone know what I can do if the ubuntu installer isnt detecting existing partitions (just shows free disk with no partition)
[00:11] <Trinity> Hi! Is it possible to open terminal even if i do not have anything other than gnu on server?
[00:11] <Trinity> no desktop?
[00:11] <compdoc> f0urtyfive, you can d/l and boot gparted
[00:11] <Trinity> im connected with some kind of VNC
[00:11] <reuf> whats the use of .bash_logout file?
[00:11] <Trinity> and want to open terminal, but have only a blank desktop :P
[00:11] <Trinity> is there any hot keys?
[00:11] <f0urtyfive> compdoc: I have no problem partitioning myself... but how do I install from that if its not detecting any partitions
[00:12] <f0urtyfive> compdoc: wierd thing is sfdisk -l shows the partition structure fine from the install disk
[00:12] <reuf> also if anyone knows whats the use of .bashrc.save ?
[00:12] <compdoc> f0urtyfive, what partition types are you using?
[00:12] <zl2tod> Trinity, Alt/F2 do anything?
[00:13] <dem0n> okay well it worked!
[00:13] <Trinity> hi zl2tod, no :/
[00:13] <zl2tod> reuf, probably saved by a script or a person modifying .bashrc, diff it against .bashrc
[00:13] <PatrickDickey> reuf, I'd venture that the .bashrc.save file is a backup of your old .bashrc file.
[00:13] <f0urtyfive> compdoc: theres two existing partitions (128 GB total) that are an existing windows install
[00:13] <f0urtyfive> compdoc: and 128 gb free on the disk
[00:13] <dem0n> i see my linux resolution, but one thing i need to find a better screen resolution size, i didn't put one in i just ran "vncserver"
[00:13] <PatrickDickey> f0urtyfive: http://askubuntu.com/questions/148648/ubiquity-is-not-recognizing-existing-partition-while-trying-to-install-ubuntu-al this might help you out.
[00:13] <tom> i keep getting "Please insert the disk labeled:
[00:13] <tom> Ubuntu-Studio 11.10 _Oneiric Ocelot_ - Release amd64 (20111011)
[00:13] <tom> in drive /media/cdrom/"
[00:14] <dem0n> my tv is a 50" does anyonen have any guesses what would be a good resolution size for the vncserver on that size of a tv?
[00:14] <jmc12> Anyone know what to do with XINERAMA that hang the startup? I can see mouse and wallpaper but nothing else
[00:14] <zl2tod> Trinity, left, right, middle click ?
[00:15] <Trinity> i get create folder etc, zl2tod, but not terminal
[00:15] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: that doesnt seem to help...
[00:15] <reuf> whats the difference between apt-get, aptitude, synaptic and dpkg install managers - will they conflict with each other if you mix them when installing stuff?
[00:15] <PatrickDickey> f0urtyfive: os-prober doesn't return anything?
[00:16] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: os-prober reports whats required
[00:16] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: my problem is /dev/sda is being reported as no partition structure in the installer... however it clearly has paritions
[00:16] <PatrickDickey> reuf, apt-get is a simplified version of aptitude. Synaptic is just a GUI front end for apt-get/aptitude. And both apt-get and aptitude are command line frontends for dpkg.
[00:17] <PatrickDickey> Try running the install from the desktop then f0urtyfive. Or have you done that?
[00:17] <zl2tod> reuf, run them one at a time and you'll be ok. They are different front-ends to the underlying package management structure.
[00:17] <jmc12> Anyone can help please? Since that I have activated Xinerama, I cant see nothing on my screen.. only wallpaper, mouse but not even able to right clic on mouse. I use 12.10 Ubunut
[00:17] <reuf> thanks all - but wont they conflict with each other?
[00:17] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: Tried
[00:18] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: shows "/dev/sda/ free soace 251999 MB"
[00:18] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: w/ no partition table
[00:18] <jmc12> compiz seems to crash all the time
[00:18] <zl2tod> Trinity, don't suppose ctrl/alt/f1 works ?
[00:18] <dem0n> Fishscene: hey thanks for your help bro, i really appreciate it
[00:19] <dem0n> hey so does anyone here have any kind of idea what a resolution would be for a 50 inch hd tv?
[00:19] <dem0n> ilke 1920x1050 for example?
[00:19] <dem0n> *like
[00:19] <PatrickDickey> dem0n: I'd say you have to try something, and see if it works. But, you need to find out what resolutions the tv supports first (as you won't be able to use just anything).
[00:20] <Trinity> zl2tod: ctrl+alt+t worked
[00:21] <Trinity> how to login as another user int terminal btw? :s
[00:21] <reuf> i want to learn how to make bash scripts such as moving directories around, finding files with patterns and compying them to some endpoint directory - where can i look for this?
[00:21] <BusyBoxes> su - for root
[00:21] <RedPenguin> BusyBoxes: might be a lease duration, but like I said immediately delating the old no-lojnger valid static lease, all was well
[00:22] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: any ideas?
[00:22] <BusyBoxes> RedPenguin: If your getting deauthed could be bad passphrase.
[00:22] <dr_willis> reuf:  check out the 'advanced bash scripting guide' and the #bash channels reccmendations
[00:22] <PatrickDickey> f0urtyfive: I'm googling to see what I can find. I've never ran into that situation.
[00:22] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: looks like gparted shows the same
[00:22] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: but sfdisk -l shows the correct
[00:22] <dr_willis> !abs > reuf
[00:22] <PatrickDickey> f0urtyfive: gparted shows no partitions?
[00:22] <dr_willis> reuf:  also check out guides on 'regular expressions'
[00:22] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: correct.
[00:22] <RedPenguin> soupeee: any luck?
[00:23] <somsip> Trinity: su username. If you need to login as a user with no password, su -i to change to root, then su uername
[00:23] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: looks like windows partitiing ftl
[00:23] <BusyBoxes> RedPenguin: Best thing to do is open up wireshark and see what's going wrong. Why's he's getting deauthed or not obtaining a dhcp lease.
[00:23] <RedPenguin> yea
[00:23] <jmc12> Well, anyone know how to deactivate Xinerama from terminal?
[00:23] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: "/dev/sda contains gpt signatures, indicating that it has a gpt table. However, it does not have a valid fake msdos partition table as it should"
[00:24] <AaronCampbell> So I have a user that has sudo, and they screwed up the /etc/passwd file.  They changed the first line to something like this: root_something:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
[00:24] <RedPenguin> I just know sometimes the accept page isn't auto, and I gotta open a browser and attempt to go to a page
[00:24] <reuf> dr_willis: thanks - its installing
[00:24] <AaronCampbell> Now their sudo doesn't work, and neither does mine...and I can't seem to su root either.  Is there a way to fix this?
[00:24] <reuf> !regular expressions > reuf
[00:24] <RedPenguin> then I usually get redirected to like https://1.1.1.1 if it's a CISCO router or whatever
[00:25] <reuf> apt-get install what - for regex?
[00:25] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: so windows fucked up the partition table
[00:25] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: http://gparted-forum.surf4.info/viewtopic.php?id=16388 looks like it has the solution
[00:25] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: (something called rEFIt)
[00:25] <BusyBoxes> AaronCampbell: privledge escalation maybe, try su -; then try to see if the file is writtable to your user group if so fix it, because your system looks like it stores the hashes in /etc/shadow anyhow.
[00:25] <xangua> !language | f0urtyfive
[00:26] <PatrickDickey> f0urtyfive: I'm not sure what happened to the partition table. You can also look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1656212 and see if it helps you.
[00:26] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: the system shipped with GPT partition structure, but when I went to do a new windows 7 install it wouldnt install to GPT partitions
[00:26] <AaronCampbell> BusyBoxes: su - does the same thing as su root ... it says the password is wrong
[00:26] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: so I deleted the partitions and created new MBR partitions, apparently windows didnt wipe the GPT sig
[00:27] <BusyBoxes> AaronCampbell: try seeing if you can modify the /etc/passwd file
[00:27] <AaronCampbell> BusyBoxes: vim /etc/passwd opens in readonly
[00:27] <Trinity> tnx!
[00:28] <Trinity> is it sudo apt-get openssh-server ?
[00:28] <Trinity> or open-ssh server ?
[00:28] <AaronCampbell> BusyBoxes: Trying to override with :w! says that I don't have permission
[00:28] <bin_bash> AaronCampbell, did you open it as root?
[00:29] <BusyBoxes> AaronCampbell: That sucks, uhm only idea I really have that's probably feasible is mounting the file system to another machine. Then fixing the /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow files.
[00:29] <AaronCampbell> bin_bash: I can't, I can't su to root or sudo
[00:29] <bin_bash> you can't use sudo at all?
[00:29] <PatrickDickey> AaronCampbell: instead of su root, try su root_something
[00:29] <bin_bash> AaronCampbell, did you enable a root user?
[00:29] <PatrickDickey> whatever the something is, in the /etc/passwd file, I mean.
[00:29] <AaronCampbell> bin_bash: not since the top line (root) was messed up in the /etc/passwd file (the username was modified)
[00:30] <bin_bash> :|
[00:30] <BusyBoxes> Aaron: Mount file system elsewhere and go ham, or escalate your privledges through a application or service vuln.
[00:31] <bin_bash> AaronCampbell, have you tried using a livecd
[00:31] <AaronCampbell> PatrickDickey: Yeah, actually su root says "Unknown id" and su root_something is the one that says my passwd is wrong
[00:32] <PatrickDickey> AaronCampbell: I would do a combination of what bin_bash and BusyBoxes are telling you. Boot to a live cd, mount the file system, and fix the /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow files.
[00:32] <bin_bash> ^
[00:32] <Trinity> i did su to root ;)
[00:32] <BusyBoxes> AaronCampbell: The person changed your root passwd and username. The only way of fixing this is mounting the file system elsewhere and modifying the account data.
[00:32] <Trinity> worked
[00:32] <Trinity> How to install a desktop on my ubuntu server? (For vnc backup use) ?
[00:32] <PatrickDickey> AaronCampbell: also, if the person doesn't really need sudo access (if they don't have a good reason to install applications system-wide or make system-wide changes), demote them.
[00:33] <bin_bash> Trinity, same way you'd install it anywhere else
[00:33] <Trinity> hehe....
[00:33] <BusyBoxes> Aaron: I believe you would have to encrypt the shadow password with DES then import it, I'm not sure of the algorithm do some research.
[00:33] <AaronCampbell> BusyBoxes: I'm unsure of how they changed the password.  Maybe since the username changed it no longer matches a field in the /etc/shadow file?
[00:33] <Trinity> anyone else?
[00:33] <BusyBoxes> SUDO =(
[00:33] <Trinity> doesnt i need to get some files to install desktop etc
[00:33] <bin_bash> AaronCampbell, seriously. Boot a livecd, mount the filesystem, and then change the file
[00:33] <bin_bash> it's really easy
[00:34] <AaronCampbell> bin_bash: Ok, I'll try it.  Thanks
[00:34] <BusyBoxes> lol ignorance.
[00:34] <bin_bash> Trinity, what are the system specs of the server
[00:35] <PatrickDickey> He'll probably find out that if he changes the root_something back to root, everything will work. It probably didn't do anything to /etc/shadow But I'm guessing there.
[00:35] <Guest35211> hi! can somebody help me with a short tip related to gstreamer-properties default values?
[00:35] <dem0n> hmm...does anyone know how to get a better picture with vncserver i have been using the option "-depth 24" for color depth but the image coming up on my hd tv is still pretty fuzzy, and i was wondering if anyone maybe knew any tricks to get a better picture.
[00:36] <Trinity> bin_bash : i7 , 32gb ram
[00:36] <Trinity> 3tb hdd
[00:36] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: gptsync didnt do it :/
[00:36] <bin_bash> Trinity, you're just using it as a headless?
[00:36] <Trinity> bin_bash: just bought it for fun :P
[00:37] <bin_bash> Trinity, you didn't answer my question. Are you using it as a headless?
[00:37] <Trinity> sounds bether than headless
[00:37] <dem0n> Trinity: nice hardware
[00:37] <Trinity> whats headless :P
[00:37] <bin_bash> Trinity, no monitor, just ssh
[00:37] <Trinity> bin_bash yea
[00:38] <Trinity> so far
[00:38] <bin_bash> okay.
[00:38] <RedAmber2> Hello, I have a problem with trying to install UBUNTU-SERVER-12.04.1-AMD64 on a computer and it hangs at detecting cd rom for something could anyone please help me?
[00:38] <bin_bash> Trinity, I'm guessing X isn't installed, right?
[00:38] <Trinity> dunno what X is :P
[00:38] <Trinity> but i have installed a version of vnc
[00:39] <bin_bash> Trinity, if you don't know what X is, then wtf are you doing?
[00:39] <Trinity> but cant find out witch one. Because i have a .vnc folder, but cant start vnc , kind off :P
[00:39] <bin_bash> Trinity, X is the window server.
[00:39] <wilee-nilee> RedAmber2, Have you checked th md5sum of the disc or ISO?
[00:39] <Trinity> ah, X = screen
[00:39] <Trinity> then i know what X is ;)
[00:39] <wilee-nilee> !md5sum
[00:40] <RedAmber2> Idk wilee-nilee
[00:40] <AaronCampbell> bin_bash: I gave one last things a try before booting to a CD and it worked.  Turns out "gksudo gedit" worked where "sudo vim" did not
[00:40] <AaronCampbell> Thanks for all your help
[00:42] <wilee-nilee> RedAmber2, here is a good link for doing this.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM  There is also a out of the bios boot from menu, sometime that is all that is needed, mine is reached with a f12 at powering on yous may be different.
[00:42] <wilee-nilee> yours*
[00:42] <bin_bash> Trinity, which DE/WM do you want to use?
[00:43] <bin_bash> AaronCampbell, that's good
[00:43] <wilee-nilee> RedAmber2, I assume you burned the cd as an image at a slowest speed possible as well.
[00:44] <Trinity> bin_bash: tnx for help :)
[00:44] <bin_bash> Trinity,
[00:44] <bin_bash> Trinity, whcih DE/WM do you want to install
[00:44] <Trinity> dunno the different ones, so have to google them
[00:45] <bin_bash> Trinity, apt-get install xserver-xorg && apt-get install gnome
[00:46] <Trinity> what is  xserver-xorg
[00:46] <RedAmber2> Hello, I have a problem with trying to install UBUNTU-SERVER-12.04.1-AMD64 on a computer and it hangs at detecting cd rom for something could anyone please help me? I CHECKED MD5SUM Is good
[00:46] <bin_bash> Trinity, read it. what do you think it is?
[00:46] <bin_bash> RedAmber2, what kind of computer
[00:46] <bin_bash> RedAmber2, is it a mac
[00:46] <RedAmber2> No it is a hp
[00:46] <Trinity> x window server something :P
[00:46] <bin_bash> Trinity, yes.
[00:48] <Trinity> bin_bash what vnc client is best?
[00:48] <bin_bash> I don't use vnc so idk
[00:49] <Trinity> but i have a screen, so do i need xserver-xorg? or only gnome
[00:49] <RedAmber2> bin_bash Its an hp
[00:49] <bin_bash> RedAmber2, okay. I'm not sure then. Try a USB
[00:51] <RedAmber2> bin_bash I am loading off a usb
[00:51] <RedAmber2> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[00:51] <bin_bash> RedAmber2, tryv a cd then
[00:52] <RedAmber2> bin_bash I don't have any cd burners
[00:52] <superfake123> how do I remove the package bluetooth-applet D:
[00:52] <docmur> I just installed 12.10 and my eth0 interface is getting an address but I can't ping anything.  If I go into windows its fine, Is there a noted issue with 12.10 and wired networking?
[00:52] <bin_bash> RedAmber2, idk then sorry m8
[00:52] <superfake123> docmur, yes I read there was
[00:52] <codephobic> hi
[00:52] <superfake123> docmur, I changed to use opendns and I have not had any issues since
[00:53] <RedAmber2> Thanks for you help bin_bash greatly apprecticated
[00:53] <docmur> is opendns already installed in 12.10 or should I boot the live cd and juist install it
[00:53] <superfake123> docmur, it's just 2 dns servers you change to. 208.67.222.222, 208.67.220.220
[00:54] <codephobic> I've got a folder with over 9000 txt, pdf, zip and html files. I've been trying to transfer the .html files (4000+) into another folder and it's now been "transferring" for 10 minutes... if I cancel it, do you think I could lose any files?
[00:55] <wilee-nilee> codephobic, How are you transfering?
[00:55] <Tohuw> What does "unlock this key automatically whenever I'm logged in" actually set? As in, what file or gsetting is changed?
[00:56] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: heres how I fixed the gpt issue: http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/wipegpt.html
[00:56] <Tohuw> Unrelated question: how can I pass an option from a Unity shortcut? For instance, can I invoke gnome-terminal --maximized instead of gnome-terminal from the Unity shortcut?
[00:57] <codephobic> wilee-nilee, just dragging and dropping files from one folder on one drive to another.
[00:57] <wilee-nilee> f0urtyfive, +1 on that link
[00:57] <JimmyNeutron> What's the differences between ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone? no luck so far w/ Google
[00:57] <PatrickDickey> f0urtyfive: I'm glad you got it fixed. Have you made sure that you can still boot to your Windows os and still have your data?
[00:57] <wilee-nilee> codephobic, Does this leave the original, is it on the same HD?
[00:57] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: still installing ubuntu atm
[00:58] <codephobic> wilee-nilee, no different disk
[00:58] <codephobic> and I'm moving rather than copying
[00:58] <codephobic> ok, I just cancelled the transfer, there's 900 that have transferred, hopefully the rest haven't been messed up
[00:58] <wilee-nilee> codephobic, If it does not leave the original I would let it finish, usually from partiton to partition the original stays, your risk here in the end.
[00:59] <codephobic> oh
[00:59] <ner0x> Can anyone explain LDAP and give me some solutions for ubuntu?
[00:59] <codephobic> not good
[00:59] <PatrickDickey> JimmyNeutron: you might be able to get that answer in #ltsp or #edubuntu
[00:59] <JimmyNeutron> PatrickDickey, Thanks! let me try there.
[01:00] <wilee-nilee> codephobic, Ah moving, I would think if you stopped it you would loose stuff
[01:00] <PatrickDickey> ner0x: have you looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LDAPClientAuthentication It might explain it for you.
[01:00] <codephobic> well, guess it's time to find out... 4000 - 900 ... hopefully 3100 left.
[01:00] <ner0x> PatrickDickey: Have not. I'll check it out now.
[01:00] <wilee-nilee> good luck. ;)
[01:01] <codephobic> is there an upper limit to the number of files and folders nautilus can cope with, within any given folder?
[01:01] <PatrickDickey> codephobic: I haven't been paying attention to what you're doing, but if it's a simple move, it *shouldn't* delete anything that it hasn't already copied over.
[01:02] <Tohuw> ner0x: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/openldap-server.html and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LDAPClientAuthentication for Ubuntu specifically, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_Directory_Access_Protocol for an exposition in general.
[01:02]  * PatrickDickey emphasizing shouldn't because Murphy was an optimist. ;-)
[01:02] <codephobic> PatrickDickey, that's what I was thinking (hoping) but... given that these are archived articles and stuff I've collected over 10+ years ... I wanted to be sure.
[01:02] <wilee-nilee> codephobic, were you just getting antsy to finish, what made you stop it?
[01:03] <codephobic> wilee-nilee, nautilus was slowing down every folder window. So I couldn't even open my music folder.
[01:03] <zl2tod> codephobic, thumbnailing and characterisation of the files eats up memory, so configure nautilus to curb those behaviours if you run into trouble. It'll reduce your risk from malicious files too.
[01:03] <codephobic> I figured it must have crashed so ... eventually just cancelled and hoped for the best.
[01:03] <PatrickDickey> codephobic: where are you copying to and from?
[01:04] <codephobic> zl2tod, thanks for that tip - will adjust preferences.
[01:04] <superfake123>  how to I find what package bluetooth-applet is apart of and remove it?
[01:05] <codephobic> PatrickDickey, I was copying from an old hd Documents (windows xp) folder over to my NAS' documents folder
[01:05] <codephobic> sorry that should be windows vista
[01:05] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: windows boots fine btw.
[01:05] <PatrickDickey> codephobic: Nautilus was probably bogging down, because it's doing all of the processing on your computer.
[01:05] <PatrickDickey> f0urtyfive: I'm glad to hear that. :D
[01:05] <Tohuw> superfake123: apt-cache search bluetooth-applet
[01:06] <yanick_> hi, what kind of actions can the community take to push ATI into making decent "legacy" (4 years old graphics card) drivers?
[01:06] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: grub didnt install right :/
[01:06] <superfake123> Tohuw, perfect thanks :)
[01:06] <zl2tod> superfake123, dpkg -S bluetooth-applet
[01:06] <codephobic> PatrickDickey, I wasn't expecting it to take so long ... and eat so much memory... my ram usage shot up to 5GB+ (of 8GB physical ram)
[01:07] <Tohuw> yanick_: Stop buying ATI until they do. Beyond that, write them, and/or join the groups reverse engineering the drivers.
[01:07] <Tohuw> Unrelated question: how can I pass an option from a Unity shortcut? For instance, can I invoke gnome-terminal --maximized instead of gnome-terminal from the Unity shortcut?
[01:07] <codephobic> btw, how do you reboot nautilus? just type "nautilus" in a terminal?
[01:07] <yanick_> Tohuw, I bought my laptop 4 years ago :) and, YES! I will NOT buy another ATI card again
[01:07] <superfake123> when I try to remove the pacakge gnome-bluetooth it comes up with a ton of other stuff it wants to remove that I don't think is safe to remove. can I remove just gnome-bluetooth???
[01:07] <PatrickDickey> yanick_ ATI won't make drivers for old hardware because "they've maximized it's capabilities".  Which is another way of saying "We want money."
[01:08] <Tohuw> codephobic: What are you attempting to do, specifically? To close nautilus, you can invoke sudo killall nautilus, but you should not normally have to do this.
[01:08] <Crayboff> So I'm trying to install ubuntu 12.04 on my friend's HP netbook. On the first step after I decide that I don't want to install 3rd party software, and I press continue, I get stuck in with the waiting wheel
[01:08] <yanick_> where's the open source ATI driver project site?
[01:08]  * PatrickDickey wonders if ubottu has an ati entry
[01:08] <Crayboff> what do I do to install ubuntu and get around this on my friend's netbook. I've tried 12.10 and 12.04 from a USB drive
[01:08] <wilee-nilee> superfake123, That removal only brings up all bluetooth apps here.
[01:08] <PatrickDickey> !ati
[01:09] <superfake123> well, worse case I just reinstall gnome-bluetooth I guess right?
[01:09] <zl2tod> superfake123, why do you want to remove it ? disabling it may be a better option
[01:09] <PatrickDickey> Crayboff: how long has it been hung up? (the wheel)
[01:09]  * KM0201 wonders if PatrickDickey knows about !msgthebot
[01:09] <Tohuw> Crayboff: What model is the netbook? I have 12.10 running on my Mini 1010NR
[01:09] <codephobic> Tohuw, I cancelled a very slow file move, now it looks like nautilus has crashed (the right-click menu looks 'odd') and so I was thinking of restarting nautilus
[01:09] <superfake123> i don't have any bluetooth devices and the process that is constantly running bothers me D:
[01:09] <zl2tod> Crayboff, is the machine connected to the net ok ?
[01:10] <dr_willis> so just have it not start at login superfake123
[01:10] <wilee-nilee> superfake123, you can turn it off in startup applications.
[01:10] <dr_willis>   /etc/xdg/autostart/ has entries...
[01:10] <superfake123> ahhh, ok ty
[01:11] <dr_willis> Not like its doing anything anyway....
[01:11] <yanick_> PatrickDickey, I already installed the fglrx-legacy package (http://www.unixmen.com/ubuntu-12-10-and-amd-catalyst-problem-solved/) which seems to be "stable" enough...
[01:11] <wilee-nilee> superfake123, You just have to load the start apps though it is empty now, I can fine the code if you need it .
[01:11] <PatrickDickey> yanick_ that's probably all you can do for now. Aside from updating the card if possible.
[01:12] <Crayboff> PatrickDickey: 15 minutes now, before when I tried it I waited about 20 before. zl2tod, when i was trying 12.10 it was connected by ethernet, now I'm trying without any internet.
[01:12] <yanick_> PatrickDickey, hmm I wish. I don't think it is possible on my Dell Studio XPS
[01:12] <yanick_> I could revert back to 12.04 :)
[01:12] <PatrickDickey> yanick_ laptop?
[01:12] <yanick_> PatrickDickey, yes
[01:13] <PatrickDickey> yanick_: yep, you're out of luck then. Either you have to rely on the fglrx team (the open source versions) or go back.
[01:13] <wilee-nilee> dr_willis, I wonder the percentile of the users that visit are ocd, some seem a bit to obsessed with perfection.
[01:13] <Crayboff> Tohuw, unfortunately I'm not sure which it is, it is a Mini, not sure which model though
[01:13] <Tohuw> codephobic: You can attempt to force Nautilus to restart via sudo killall nautilus, though it may be as simple as closing all open Nautilus windows. It may also not, as the Desktop is a nautilus session as well.
[01:14] <Tohuw> Crayboff: look at the bottom, near the serial number
[01:14] <bin_bash> Tohuw, you don't need sudo to use killall, in fact it's not good practice to do so
[01:14] <wilee-nilee> present company on the channel exempt of course. ;)
[01:15] <codephobic> Tohuw, I get the feeling that I'm going to have to reboot ... banshee is struggling too now. I think the music folder is still being clogged up by nautilus and banshee can't read from it...
[01:15] <Crayboff> Tohuw, there is no serial number on the bottom :/ only something saying that HP is a registered trademark
[01:15]  * PatrickDickey is ocd in a lot of ways
[01:15] <bin_bash> codephobic, do you have htop installed
[01:15] <codephobic> bin_bash, nope
[01:15] <bin_bash> codephobic, apt-get install htop
[01:15]  * wilee-nilee is not officially, but have probably qualified at times.
[01:16] <Tohuw> bin_bash: Good point, as nautilus will always start as the user logged in. codephobic, note what bin_bash said please. Also, consider checking top.
[01:16] <bin_bash> codephobic, once it's installed, run it via terminal, and then click where it says "command"
[01:16]  * PatrickDickey is racking his brain. I used to have a script installed on my laptop that disabled all non-essential things like bluetooth. I can't remember what it was though. it came from the ubuntu repositories, IIRC.
[01:16] <codephobic> bin_bash, Tohuw k, I'll install that.
[01:17] <Tohuw> codephobic: top is installed by default. execute "top", then press shift+m to sort by memory consumption
[01:17] <BusyBoxes> codephobic: press q to exit top.
[01:17] <codephobic> ah, htop looks so much better than top
[01:17] <codephobic> colourful
[01:17] <codephobic> lol
[01:18] <blackshirt> yes, top was available by default
[01:18] <codephobic> ok, so what am I looking for within the htop output?
[01:18] <Tohuw> You kids and your color! Get off my lawn!
[01:18] <codephobic> lol
[01:18] <Crayboff> PatrickDickey Tohuw zl3tod: if it helps, I am using a different flash drive than I was before. it's an intel Atom. if you need more info i can try ubuntu fine, it's just installing it
[01:18] <codephobic> It reminds me of my dear old Spectrum +4
[01:18] <codephobic> It reminds me of my dear old Spectrum +3*
[01:19] <bin_bash> codephobic, select "command" and use the arrow keys to scroll down to find nautilus
[01:20] <PatrickDickey> Crayboff: does it matter if you start the installer from the boot option (where you click the button to either Try or Install) or if you start it from the desktop after clicking "Try"?
[01:20] <Crayboff> PatrickDickey: no difference
[01:20] <Tohuw> Crayboff: there is usually a status message near the progress bar. What is the install doing when it hangs? Also, is this system connected to a network?
[01:21] <codephobic> bin_bash, I've found a few instances of nautilus (on a side note, is it normal to have multiple instances of pulse audio?)
[01:21] <Crayboff> Tohuw: there is no progress bar, I click "Continue" and it immediately gets stuck in the wheel thing without changing anything else on the screen
[01:21] <codephobic> do I just kill those instances of nautilus?
[01:21] <bin_bash> codephobic, yes. try killing it.
[01:21] <bin_bash> codephobic, kill the children too
[01:21] <codephobic> :o kill children ...
[01:22] <Guest35211> Could somebody please tell me what is the default value of the input audio pipeline in gstreamer-properties in ubuntu 12.04? I had plugin: custom, device: none, pipeline :"audiosomething", I think, but paying with it replaced the name of the pipeline.
[01:22] <PatrickDickey> codephobic: http://www.admin-magazine.com/Articles/PowerTOP PowerTOP is what I was thinking of. If I remember right, it will allow you to disable the processes from inside of it.
[01:22] <BusyBoxes> pkill nautilus
[01:22] <codephobic> bin_bash, k, I'll go genocidal
[01:22] <bin_bash> codephobic, great
[01:22] <BlueGuy> #ubuntu-server
[01:23] <codephobic> done, killed the bleedin' lot of them
[01:23] <Crayboff> Tohuw it was connected to the network via ethernet cable the first time I tried it today and was installing 12.10. It gave the same problem. I just connected it to a semi reliable hotspot (don't have access to ethernet atm) and can try again, but I don't think that will make a difference
[01:23] <PatrickDickey> KM0201: Nope. I didn't know about !msgthebot
[01:23] <codephobic> bin_bash, now I restart nautilus?
[01:23] <KM0201> PatrickDickey: lol.. :)
[01:23] <PatrickDickey> !msgthebot
[01:24] <PatrickDickey> Awesome. I'll have to use that. Thanks KM0201.
[01:24] <KM0201> no prob...
[01:24] <Crayboff> Tohuw: also noteworthy is that when i wasn't connected to the network, I didn't select the 3rd party or update options, the issue still occurred then
[01:25] <bin_bash> codephobic, yeah
[01:25] <codephobic> bin_bash, do I just type 'nautilus' in a terminal and then close it and close the terminal?
[01:26] <codephobic> nevermind, I was just being ... well, 'anxious' let's say.
[01:26] <PatrickDickey> codephobic: when you close the terminal, it will kill any processes that are running (nautilus in this case). So you'll want to leave the terminal open while you're doing whatever you need in nautilus.
[01:26] <codephobic> ok, time to go investigate the damage...
[01:26] <codephobic> PatrickDickey, I ran it via alt+F2
[01:27] <PatrickDickey> codephobic: if everything is alright, my suggestion is to start the move when you get ready for bed (or to leave for a while). That way it's not affecting anything that you're doing.
[01:27] <codephobic> I'm guessing that it's just another terminal that I don't see on the screen
[01:27] <PatrickDickey> codephobic: Alt+F2 is the equivalent of Start --> Run... in Windows.
[01:27] <Tohuw> Crayboff: try passing acpi=off noapic to the installer. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDBootOptions
[01:28] <codephobic> PatrickDickey, I'll do that. I'm just surprised that it was an issue ... I didn't think linux would have problems with it, I could have done it in my Windows 7...
[01:28] <codephobic> ah, I see
[01:28] <codephobic> thanks PatrickDickey, Tohuw :)
[01:28] <Tohuw> yw
[01:28] <PatrickDickey> no problem.
[01:28] <Crayboff> Tohuw: will try now and will report back with the results
[01:29] <codephobic> btw, now that I can see multiple instances of PulseAudio in htop, do you think those are previously crashed instances and would it be ok to kill them? (they seem to be eating some ram 400mb+ of "virtual" (memory?))
[01:31] <codephobic> so far so good, the numbers look ok...
[01:32] <FluxD> Hi, I brought a brand new SSD, burned new ubuntu image and set boot order to optical drive and tried to boot from it to install and it never goes to install step, how can I install it?
[01:32] <Tohuw> codephobic: Typically, yes. Consider trying sudo service pulseaudio restart first.
[01:32] <Tohuw> FluxD: What happens?
[01:32] <codephobic> Tohuw, will do :)
[01:32] <FluxD> Tohuw, I get "operating system not found" message
[01:32] <codephobic> thanks again, time to go sleep ... and restart the transfer.
[01:32] <codephobic> cya
[01:34] <PatrickDickey> Tohuw, does htop tell you if it's a zombie process like System Monitor does?
[01:36] <Tohuw> PatrickDickey: the "S" column in top will display a "Z" for zombie. I don't know if htop does or not; I've never bothered installing it
[01:37] <Guest35211> can somebody using Precise (12.04) check their value of the default input pipeline in the audio tab, please?  (If plugin name is still "custom")
[01:37] <Guest35211> using gstreamer-properties
[01:38] <Tohuw> Guest35211: It's "autoaudiosrc" in 12.10, but I don't have any 12.04 instances of Desktop about anymore.
[01:39] <Crayboff> Guest35211: I have autoaudiosrc in the Default Input Pipeline
[01:39] <Mrokii> anybody else having problems with Sound Juicer since switching to 12.10? For some reason, the button in its preferences to change the quality of the input format has disappeared and I have no clue how to change the xml-config file.
[01:39] <Crayboff> I'm on 12.04
[01:39] <Guest35211> thanks Tohuw and Crayboff!
[01:39] <Crayboff> np
[01:40] <Tohuw> yw
[01:44] <ahmad_> hey guys on ubuntu server 12.10 is there a way to cache unlimited output instead of i think its 500 lines currently?
[01:46] <darsie> I accidently copied /etc/shadow- to /etc/shadow. Is that bad?
[01:48] <Tohuw> ahmad_: #ubuntu-server (your answer is that this would require a kernel recompile; consider using byobu or such)
[01:48] <Crayboff> Tohuw: I selected the acpi=off and noapic options (so a little x was next to them in the boot options). I'm having the same issue of being stuck with the loading wheel
[01:49] <Tohuw> Crayboff: try stepping through this guide (meant for installs, much of it still applies): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11789959
[01:50] <Crayboff> alright will do, I"ll report back if I have any interesting results
[01:55] <Crayboff> Tohuw: the difference between what this thread seems to be saying is that most of the advice is if the live ubuntu doesn't work. However, I can navigate through ubuntu just fine, I just can't go through the steps of installing
[01:57] <samholmes> Hi. My computer cannot sleep or hibernate with ubuntu installed.
[01:57] <Tohuw> Crayboff: That's true; much of it is dedicated to Ubuntu not starting at all. I'm not sure of how to best use apport or something else to hook into the installer process. I suggest reporting this as a bug in Launchpad against ubuntu-installer. Hopefully a response there can guide you further. Good luck!
[01:57] <samholmes> This seems like a common issue with ubuntu on laptops. What's the fix(es)?
[01:58] <Crayboff> Hmmm, alright thanks Tohuw.
[01:58] <Tohuw> samholmes: What happens when you attempt to do so? What graphics driver are you using? What version of Ubuntu, and are you using any uncommon boot options (especially those related to ACPI)
[01:59] <Crayboff> samholmes, I had a similar issue, let me see if i can find the fix that helped me. Whenever I closed my computer to put it to sleep, it would freeze at a black screen and the fan would go on like crazy
[01:59] <Crayboff> dunno if that's your problem, but i'll look for it anyway
[02:00] <lotuspsychje> hi all, i installed xubuntu 12.04.1 with xubuntu-restricted-extras and enabled 'partners' source then tryed both adobe-flashplugin and flashplugin-installer..i still cant play youtube any thoughts?
[02:00] <Tohuw> lotuspsychje: Are you using Firefox?
[02:00] <samholmes> Tohuw: I just installed ubuntu using wubi, and I'm running 11.10
[02:00] <lotuspsychje> Tohuw:yes mate
[02:01] <Tohuw> samholmes: Consider upgrading. Known ACPI issues are addressed in 12.04+
[02:01] <samholmes> Alright, I'll see how it runs after upgrading.
[02:01] <Tohuw> lotuspsychje: Does Firefox complain about flash not being present? Is it listed in the plugins list?
[02:01] <samholmes> Wubi installs Ubuntu normally right?
[02:01] <samholmes> No funky tricks?
[02:02] <lotuspsychje> Tohuw:its listen in plugins, youtube just doesnt show the video(blank)
[02:02] <Tohuw> samholmes: No. Wubi installs Ubuntu as a virtual instance inside Windows. This abstraction could be the cause of your issue, but it normally isn't.
[02:02] <Tohuw> lotuspsychje: Does any flash work?
[02:02] <samholmes> What's a virtual instance?
[02:03] <Ray2> Ubuntu-10.04...I have a deb file when I try to close it...it stays on screen and my desktop partially covers it...I have to open another program  for both to close
[02:03] <lotuspsychje> Tohuw:no i dont think so, it all started on latest versions of ubuntu could it be 11.2 flash bug maybe?
[02:03] <Crayboff> samholmes: I'm not using Wubi, so I'm not sure if this will fix your problem, but it's what fixed it for me. I would recommend upgrading first and if you still have the issue try this: http://thecodecentral.com/2011/01/18/fix-ubuntu-10-10-suspendhibernate-not-working-bug
[02:04] <Tohuw> lotuspsychje: Yes, it certainly can be. I have resource issues with flash in Firefox currently thanks to 11.2. However, when did it last work?
[02:04] <lotuspsychje> Tohuw:think it worked on ocelot
[02:04] <Tohuw> samholmes: A virtual instance means it runs inside a host, in this case Windows. It's an operating system running inside another operating system.
[02:05] <samholmes> Does the virtual instance make it run slower?
[02:05] <Tohuw> samholmes: Yes.
[02:05] <samholmes> Is it worth installing normally?
[02:05] <samholmes> That is, without the virtual instance?
[02:06] <Tohuw> samholmes: Certainly. It requires some work, but to be free of the consumption of Windows while using Ubuntu is liberating in many ways.
[02:06] <lotuspsychje> Ray2: you could also consider clean installing 12.04.1 or 12.10
[02:07] <samholmes> Tohuw: What appeals to me with linux is the posix system, I would prefer a Mac over Linux, but I don't have the cash right now to spend.
[02:07] <samholmes> I've been facepalming a lot using windows and developing using Node.js.
[02:07] <jaysonr> Tohuw: Wubi does not create a Virtual machine
[02:07] <Tohuw> lotuspsychje: I'd be curious to know if chromium can play flash for you, and further curious if you purged Firefox and reinstalled it; if it would work
[02:07] <lotuspsychje> Tohuw:would be nice to easy roll back to previous flash version
[02:08] <ChrisPartridge> samholmes: it's a lot better than what it used to be (re node and windows)
[02:08] <jaysonr> Wubi uses a Disk image - only the Disk is virtualized, the OS run in bare metal
[02:08] <Tohuw> jaysonr: I'm aware, it uses a Loopback mounted file system. It is still hosted in a sense. Virtual is not limited to VMs.
[02:08] <samholmes> However, I'm having trouble getting use to ubuntu because of the strange file structure (abbr. as hell)
[02:08] <jaysonr> Tohuw: no, very different
[02:08] <lotuspsychje> Tohuw:i installed chrome and says shockwave flash plugin missing(but did not uninstall all flash)
[02:08] <jaysonr> A VM would be running via a hypervisor - you can boot many OSes from VHD's, that doesn't make it a virtual machine
[02:08] <samholmes> ChrisPartridge: It's not just node. It's things like redis and such. Usually software is designed for linux first, then later adopted on Windows.
[02:09] <samholmes> Because I'm developing for a linux VPS, it makes more sense to test on a linux environment.
[02:09] <Tohuw> jaysonr: Very different, but Windows still hosts Wubi.
[02:10] <jaysonr> Tohuw: no it doesn't - The Windows bootloader boots the VHD - that's it's only involvement
[02:10] <samholmes> Other things that both me is the GUI of linux. It's all old and out-date (which appeals to most linux users for some reason). I prefer Gnome 3 (which linux users loath, for some reason). But, I feel gnome 3 can be better.
[02:10] <jaysonr> Tohuw: once booted, it's running on bare metal - from the disk image.
[02:11] <samholmes> I wish I could be more apart of the community and contribute to the Gnome project. But I found it difficult to orient myself to how to do so. Maybe the organization of bugs and contribution applications have improved.
[02:12] <Tohuw> jaysonr: Fair enough, and a worthwhile distinction. I'll be sure to be more explicit about this in the future, and spend time reading about lupin. I do still stand by the point that transitioning from Wubi to a more typical install is worthwhile. Thank you for your corrections!
[02:13] <Tohuw> samholmes: this is an interesting and worthwhile topic, but for the sake of channel traffic, may I suggest #ubuntu-offtopic? I'd be happy to discuss this with you further there, as I imagine some others would be as well.
[02:13] <eliteprodigy> Okay, My machine is 100% up to date, but every single time I try to Switch Users I get a black screen. And it sits there. Forever. Until I hit Ctrl + Alt + Del then two lines of text pop up real quick and then it restarts or whatever but I usually end up having to restart the computer from the Box.
[02:13] <eliteprodigy> How can I fix this/Troubleshoot it?
[02:14] <lotuspsychje> eliteprodigy:would be interesting to check /var/log/syslog on that logout time
[02:15] <lotuspsychje> eliteprodigy:does the first login boot without problems?
[02:15] <eliteprodigy> lotuspsychje: YEah.
[02:16] <eliteprodigy> Everything else is working great, but I cannot switch users.
[02:16] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: What video driver are you using? Whenever switching sessions results in display problems, the #1 culprit is the display driver.
[02:16] <eliteprodigy> Tohuw:  How do I check?
[02:17] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: lspci | grep -i vga
[02:17] <eliteprodigy> /var/log/syslog
[02:17] <eliteprodigy> Gr.
[02:17] <eliteprodigy> david@poseidon:~$ lspci | grep -i vga
[02:17] <eliteprodigy> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS880 [Radeon HD 4200]
[02:19] <Tohuw> Ah, Radeon HD. ATI's attempt at sado-satire for the Linux user. Hold on, eliteprodigy. Someone fixed this not that long ago, let me dig.
[02:19] <ariane5> where i find game channel ?
[02:19] <lotuspsychje> !alis | ariane5
[02:19] <ariane5> ok
[02:21] <chase> Is there any way to make the dash not take up 75% of my screen when I open it? I googled around...couldn't find anything.
[02:21] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: Some light reading: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11781573 and the bad news: http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=343 and make sure you add yourself to the affected of this bug, and it may be worth following: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer-updates/+bug/876242
[02:21] <bin_bash> Does anyone ehre use systemd?
[02:21] <lotuspsychje> chase:maybe in compiz manager settings unity plugin?
[02:21] <wastrel> how to toggle launcher visibility from command line
[02:22] <lotuspsychje> !info systemd
[02:22] <bin_bash> lotuspsychje, I have ubotto on ignore because it's abusive spam.
[02:22] <lotuspsychje> bin_bash:it doesnt show package info
[02:23] <bin_bash> lotuspsychje, people use it to PM others and that's pretty offensive, imo
[02:23] <lotuspsychje> bin_bash:maybe share your issue with us mate, might be someone that can help
[02:24] <bin_bash> lotuspsychje, oh I was just curious if anyone was using systemd
[02:24] <ariane5> can i install ubuntu on old pc ?
[02:24] <lotuspsychje> bin_bash:what does it do exactly?
[02:24] <lotuspsychje> ariane5: try lubuntu or xubuntu
[02:25] <bin_bash> lotuspsychje, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd
[02:25] <Tohuw> ariane5: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[02:25] <ariane5> pentium III ?
[02:26] <lotuspsychje> ariane5:how much ram do you have and wich grafix card?
[02:26] <Tohuw> ariane5: Probably pushing it a bit, but Xubuntu or Lubuntu might work out.
[02:27] <eliteprodigy> Tohuw: So basically this hasn't been fixed and it never will be?
[02:27] <ariane5> 512
[02:27] <ariane5> voodoo3
[02:27] <lotuspsychje> eliteprodigy:it sometimes help pasting your bug to #ubuntu-bugs
[02:28] <lotuspsychje> ariane5:like Tohuw says better install lubuntu or xubuntu will be lighter for your system
[02:28] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> How do I Extract a bz2 file on Ubuntu ?
[02:28] <chase> I can change launcher icon size in compiz, but not the size of the icons inside the dash when it opens.
[02:28] <lotuspsychje> !bz2
[02:28] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: :'( Your solution is to fallback to Gnome Classic (blech) or get non-ati hardware. ATI has made it clear they don't care.
[02:29] <wastrel> ati used to be better than nvidia
[02:29] <ariane5> can i install java and flash ?
[02:29] <wastrel> a long time ago
[02:29] <eliteprodigy> Tohuw: So I can't use Gnome 3?
[02:29] <lotuspsychje> ariane5:yes flash should work on lubuntu an xubuntu
[02:30] <wastrel> is there a way to toggle the hide behavior of the unity launcher in 12.10, preferably command line
[02:30] <ariane5> say that is not good to instal this on linux
[02:30] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> tar -jxf tcl_archive.tcl?mode=download         Does Not Work ~
[02:30] <lotuspsychje> ariane5:what do you mean?
[02:30] <chase> wastrel: I just ran across autohide in compizconfig settings
[02:30] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: Correct. Or Unity. Not if you want fast user switching. My advice: ditch fast user switching.
[02:31] <ariane5> system work no stabile
[02:31] <eliteprodigy> Tohuw: How? How do I switch users after?
[02:31] <Tohuw> [_-S1L3NC3-_]: enclose that filename in quotes.
[02:31] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]>  I have
[02:31] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: log out, log the new user in
[02:31] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> and then with single quotes
[02:31] <lotuspsychje> ariane5:that would be untrue, your system will be more stable then ever!
[02:31] <Tohuw> [_-S1L3NC3-_]: what happens?
[02:31] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> it says it is not a tar
[02:31] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> type
[02:31] <Tohuw> lotuspsychje: He has a pentium III :P
[02:31] <chase> I really like the unity launcher bar, but the dash, once it opens...is so slow and takes up the entire screen....I don't get what's wrong with just a list of applications.
[02:32] <zl2tod> [_-S1L3NC3-_], escape the ? perhaps
[02:32] <eliteprodigy> Tohuw: But that's impossible, it destroys any kind of productivity I've gained by switching to Ubuntu.
[02:32] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> let me see
[02:32] <eliteprodigy> Tohuw: Why is it that switch user works in Win 7 but not here?
[02:32] <lotuspsychje> Tohuw:i installed xubuntu on very old systems, working fast and flawless
[02:32] <Tohuw> [_-S1L3NC3-_]: Well, is it?
[02:32] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> nope didnt work
[02:32] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: ATI cares about Windows.
[02:32] <wastrel> chase: i'd like something quicker than launching ccsm and drilling down to that
[02:32] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> tar -jxf "tcl_archive.tclmode=download&id=1668"
[02:33] <lotuspsychje> tcl is eggdrop
[02:33] <ariane5> p3 in basemant :)
[02:33] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> Yes
[02:33] <lotuspsychje> u not trying to unpack a tcl?
[02:33] <chase> wastrel: Customization sucks in unity, unfortunately, from what I have seen.
[02:33] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> I do want to extract it
[02:33] <Tohuw> [_-S1L3NC3-_]: you appear to be trying to extract something that is not a tar archive.
[02:33] <eliteprodigy> Tohuw: I guess I just don't know enough low-level programming to understand why it matters which OS is running. :S
[02:33] <lotuspsychje> the tcl is packed in bz2?
[02:33] <zl2tod> [_-S1L3NC3-_], filename looks sort of broken
[02:34] <ariane5> its dust
[02:34] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> bzip2 -d "tcl_archive.tclmode=download&id=1668"
[02:34] <eliteprodigy> It just doesn't make sense to me.
[02:34] <ariane5> i thing to active this pc
[02:34] <ariane5> think
[02:34] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> Do you want the download Link @ zl2tod?
[02:35] <lotuspsychje>   [_-S1L3NC3-_]:did you install rar?
[02:35] <zl2tod> [_-S1L3NC3-_], wget thedownloadlink then tar -jxf downloadedfilename
[02:35] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: Display drivers are OS-specific. When you use Windows, you are using entirely different software to talk to your video card than you use in Linux. ATI makes stuff work in Windows, but fglrx is horribly neglected in Linux. Always has been, and (I expect) will be for the forseeable future.
[02:36] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> i have tod
[02:36] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> i even dwnloaded it within quotes "
[02:36] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> rar? anyway to find out
[02:36] <lotuspsychje> eliteprodigy:you can try 'nomodeset' and test out if users wont go blank
[02:36] <eliteprodigy> lotuspsychje: nomodeset?
[02:36] <lotuspsychje>  [_-S1L3NC3-_]: sudo apt-get install rar
[02:37] <Tohuw> [_-S1L3NC3-_]: It's not a bz2 format. You will not be able to extract it that way. Can file-roller open it? If it's a rar, try installing rar.
[02:37] <zl2tod> [_-S1L3NC3-_], type rar
[02:37] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | eliteprodigy
[02:37] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> cmd not found @ tod
[02:37] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> then i dont
[02:37] <bobweaver> eliteprodigy,  I am sorry I just walked into this but what are the system specs  ?
[02:37] <lotuspsychje> !info rar |  [_-S1L3NC3-_]
[02:37] <Tohuw> lotuspsychje: modeset isn't his problem. This is a known fglrx issue with fast user switching.
[02:37] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> ok
[02:37] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> ty
[02:38] <bobweaver> !info p7zip-full
[02:38] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> anyway to use apt-get but lightweight mode?
[02:38] <bobweaver> !info p7zip-rar
[02:38] <lotuspsychje> Tohuw:i bet its a compis thing crashing on other users...might he be testing out without compiz?
[02:38] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> im running low on Ram
[02:38] <eliteprodigy> bobweaver: HP p7 AMD Athlon II 650 3.2GHZ 8Gb DDR3
[02:38] <eliteprodigy> bobweaver: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[02:38] <bobweaver> What !
[02:39] <lotuspsychje> lol
[02:39] <eliteprodigy> bobweaver: With Gnome 3
[02:40] <bobweaver> eliteprodigy,  lol I think that I am reading the log wrong but that thing is not booting ?
[02:40] <eliteprodigy> bobweaver: Switching users takes me to just a black screen.
[02:40] <eliteprodigy> Sometimes.
[02:41] <wastrel> is there a way to query and change compiz plugin settings from the command line then?
[02:41] <Tohuw> lotuspsychje: It's very likely fglrx's 3d acceleration doing what it does: failing. This issue is reproducible in Gnome 3, which does not use compiz.
[02:42] <lotuspsychje> eliteprodigy:did you try unity2 on users?
[02:42] <eliteprodigy> Hitting Ctrl + Alt + Del displays 2 lines of text and restarts, where it usually hangs for a long time on the Ubuntu screen.
[02:42] <bobweaver> eliteprodigy,  what does keyboard -> shortcuts say that is assigned to ?
[02:43] <eliteprodigy> lotuspsychje: You mean the Unity desktop session? I can't remember if it was doing this when I was using Unity still or not.
[02:43] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: Ctrl + Alt + Del sends a reboot message. The two lines of text are the shutdown broadcast messages.
[02:43] <lotuspsychje> Tohuw:i know ati got bad support, but im more like to test just everything to make things sure
[02:44] <eliteprodigy> bobweaver: Where do I check that?
[02:44] <Tohuw> bobweaver: This is not controlled by Gnome preferences, but rather LightDM. He is successfully exiting to LightDM, he just can't see it.
[02:44] <eliteprodigy> And why is it important?
[02:45] <bobweaver> so you are saying that there is bug in gnome-sessions-quit ?  that is what ctrl+alt+delete does for me
[02:46] <lotuspsychje> bobweaver:Tohuw posted the bug above on this issue
[02:46] <Tohuw> bobweaver: Presss ctrl+alt+delete in LightDM (the login screen).
[02:47] <eliteprodigy> What I don't understand is if Windows can make the ATI cards work, why can't Ubuntu? It's not like MS has created some super secret version of C++ that magically works with graphics cards or display drivers or whatever.
[02:48] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: You're thinking of it backwards. ATI makes the card work. The source code and firmware on the cards are secret.
[02:48] <eliteprodigy> Tohuw: But it's working on top of code, with code. Code is bloody code. I can't get my head around it.
[02:48] <Tohuw> This is like me asking you to paint the Mona Lisa with the perfection of DaVinci, but giving you crayons and breaking your wrists first.
[02:49] <eliteprodigy> It frustrates me when I can't get my head around things.
[02:49] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> Package rar is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:49] <eliteprodigy> [_-S1L3NC3-_]: apt-get update
[02:50] <OerHeks> !unrar
[02:50] <eliteprodigy> Try updating your repos or whatever we call them.
[02:50] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> ok
[02:50] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> E: Package 'rar' has no installation candidate
[02:51] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> after i updated
[02:51] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: Video cards contain firmware. This firmware needs instructions to render graphics. These instructions have to know everything about the firmware. Because the firmware is not open source, only ATI knows how to make software that can talk to it properly. Because ATI did not do a good job with fglrx and refuses to let others have enough information to help, you are in this situation
[02:51] <Tohuw> [_-S1L3NC3-_]: the package name is unrar
[02:52] <eliteprodigy> Tohuw: The only way that makes sense is if there's a line of code that's like #IF OS != WINDOWS { Generate.Pseudo.Random.Behaviour(); }
[02:52] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> ok
[02:52] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> nope wont work either
[02:52] <crimsonmane> correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't 7zip the all-pupose free (as in speech AND beer) archive program that works even on .rar files?
[02:52] <bazhang> eliteprodigy, Tohuw this has strayed way offtopic. take it to PM or #ubuntu-offtopic Please
[02:52] <bobweaver> crimsonmane,  correct it is great !
[02:52] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: You are making vast assumptions about how graphics rendering works. I am trying my best to explain to you that it is very OS specific. We can discuss further in #ubuntu-offtopic if you like.
[02:52] <eliteprodigy> bazhang: I just want my bloody computer to work.
[02:53]  * eliteprodigy breaks down and cries.
[02:53] <lotuspsychje> eliteprodigy:i got an old ati x800 running flawless on precise 64bit, so ati driver works on many boxes
[02:53] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> 7 zi p?
[02:53] <OerHeks> crimsonmane, yes, only extract
[02:53] <bazhang> eliteprodigy, this is not the place to chit chat. take it elsewhere
[02:53] <bobweaver> !info p7zip-full > crimsonmane
[02:54] <crimsonmane> eliteprodigy: might i suggest you google for your local LUG - Linux User Group - where you might find great help from people who can actually touch your computer and result in better assistance than IRC can offer?
[02:54] <eliteprodigy> bazhang: I wasn't really aware me trying to understand why my computer isn't working as expected was chit chat.
[02:55] <eliteprodigy> Does connonical offer premium support?
[02:55] <crimsonmane> yes, for a price
[02:55] <eliteprodigy> Good.
[02:55] <bobweaver> eliteprodigy,  yes
[02:55] <crimsonmane> you pay per tech support call
[02:55] <crimsonmane> ok bye
[02:55] <bazhang> he's gone
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[03:07] <rexwin_> hi, sudo apt-get install euca* doesnot download and install the appropriate packages, what can i do now?
[03:07] <foobArrr> where can I see when a package was updated to a newer version in the repository and what was changed? where do I find older version?
[03:09] <trism> foobArrr: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/package_name/+publishinghistory
[03:09] <trism> foobArrr: for source packages that is
[03:10] <foobArrr> trism: thanks
[03:11] <foobArrr> are source packages and binary packages released around the same time?
[03:12] <samurai2> hi how to make a for loop in shell script? thanks :)
[03:12] <Tohuw> samurai2: #bash
[03:12] <samurai2> I make something like below but it doesn't work :
[03:12] <trism> foobArrr: binary packages are built from source packages, I just meant you need to have the name of the source package for the url I posted, the binary package is a different path
[03:13] <samurai2> for (( i=1; $i <= 10; i++ )
[03:13] <samurai2> do
[03:13] <samurai2>     echo $i
[03:13] <samurai2> done
[03:13] <FloodBot1> samurai2: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:13] <foobArrr> trism: ok, thank you
[03:14] <trism> samurai2: I like: for i in {1..10}; do echo $i; done; just cause it is easier to type
[03:14] <Derrick1> I'm trying to use ubuntu on my computer. I'm using wubi to install it, but each time I try to boot it, it says something about windows not loading correctly.
[03:15] <[NM]entropy> brb upgrading mirc
[03:15] <fego> samurai2: donot use $i on the first line
[03:15] <samurai2> trism : but if it's 100 elements, it will be too long.
[03:16] <samurai2> fego : ok, I'll try it
[03:16] <fego> samurai2: it is a C style for loop,there is foreach loop also avaiable in bash
[03:17] <bobweaver> samurai2, where is the ) ?
[03:17] <bobweaver> in the for loop ?
[03:17] <bobweaver> the 2nd one ?
[03:17] <wilee-nilee> Derrick1, Here is a wubi wiki link defaulting to cannot boot into ubuntu. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide#Cannot_boot_into_Ubuntu
[03:17] <samurai2> bobweaver : sorry wrong typo, but even I write with ))
[03:17] <samurai2> still not working, it always said Bad for loop variable
[03:18] <trism> samurai2: not really, I just did 10000 with no problems
[03:18] <wilee-nilee> Derrick1, Wubi is not a install that is much covered here sometimes a new install might be the answer if it is a fresh install.
[03:19] <fego> samurai2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304113/
[03:19] <samurai2> o by the way, I put my file name like forLoop.sh
[03:20] <fego> samurai2: anything you eish, it is still a rose :)
[03:20] <fego> wish*
[03:20] <samurai2> fego : but it still gave me Bad for loop variable
[03:21] <fego> samurai2: what version of bash?
[03:21] <rexwin_> i want to install euca2ools on JEOS, can somebody help with me with that?
[03:21] <fego> samurai2: bash --version
[03:22] <samurai2> fego : GNU bash, version 4.2.24(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
[03:23] <fego> samurai2: i am also running the same version ,works fine for me
[03:23] <fego> Csyle for loops work in bash >= 4.0
[03:23] <fego> samurai2: can you please post the exact error you are getting
[03:23] <bobweaver> samurai2,  you have read this ?  http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/018
[03:24] <samurai2> fego : forLoop.sh: 3: forLoop.sh: Syntax error: Bad for loop variable
[03:25] <samurai2> bobweaver : I think I know my problem is, because I put my filename end with .sh extension so it doesn't work
[03:25] <samurai2> if I rename it into forLoop only
[03:25] <samurai2> it will run
[03:26] <fego> samurai2: try bash forLoop.sh
[03:26] <bobweaver> samurai2,  you have asked also in #bash
[03:26] <bobweaver> no need for .sh at extentionj for bash
[03:26] <bobweaver> that is confusing Oo
[03:27] <fego> of use #!/bin/bash as the first line in your script
[03:27] <fego> or*
[03:27] <bobweaver> that is why env looks for it in shebang (if using env) #!/usr/bin/env bash
[03:27] <fego> extensions are irrelevant in unix
[03:27] <SuperMiguel> if im doing a raid 1 boot, where should i put my boot loader?
[03:27] <samurai2> fego : ok, I'll try that
[03:27] <bobweaver> fego,  none the less they are confusing :)
[03:28] <fego> you can use .sh , but make sure you are telling the script which interpeter(bash,ksh,sh) to use
[03:28] <bobweaver> +1
[03:29] <bobweaver> sh is for ksh correct ?
[03:29] <fego> Bourne shell bobweaver
[03:29] <bobweaver> exstention ?
[03:29] <fego> yes normally
[03:29] <fego> .sh -- bourne shell
[03:29] <samurai2> fego : o ic, so bash has more command than sh? :)
[03:29] <fego> .ksh -- korn
[03:30] <fego> yes specially bash >= 4.0
[03:30] <samurai2> fego : bash -> born again shell, so if he born again, it should be better :)
[03:30] <fego> it is bourne again shell, not "born" samurai2
[03:31] <Tohuw> "Bourne Again Shell" It's a pun.
[03:31] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> still cant extract tcl_archive.tcl?mode=download&id=1668
[03:31] <bobweaver> what do you know a MIT Pun Oo
[03:31] <fredson> i want to reinstall the grub bootloader on my comp after a windows install wiped it out
[03:31] <samurai2> fego : so any command in .sh will still work on bash but not vice versa. I got it. thanks :)
[03:31] <bobweaver> fredson,  boot live cd mount ubuntu drive and install grub
[03:32] <bobweaver> onto ubuntu partition
[03:32] <Tohuw> [_-S1L3NC3-_]: The file isn't an archive any of those handlers recognize. Contact the site operator or file owner.
[03:32] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> all the files within the eggdrop tcl site are labeled that way and i've been able to extactu sing tar- xf file         just not this one
[03:32] <morphias> well hello there people
[03:32] <fredson> my goal is to get to a grub prompt so i can follow the instructions here: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/reinstall-ubuntu-grub-bootloader-after-windows-wipes-it-out/
[03:33] <bobweaver> fredson,  I had the same troubl as you there is form post on it I will dig up
[03:33] <fredson> i went to a bash terminal and ubuntu and typed in sudo grub, but it says 'command not found'
[03:33] <fego> samurai2: you still need to refer to the documentation to be sure, but yes majority of bourne shell commands, built-in s work in bash
[03:34] <bobweaver> fredson,  What !! where is this tutorial ?
[03:35] <fredson> bobweaver http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/reinstall-ubuntu-grub-bootloader-after-windows-wipes-it-out/
[03:35] <bobweaver> No that is all wrong
[03:35] <bobweaver> there is a much easier way fredson
[03:35] <fredson> grub-install?
[03:36] <Tohuw> fredson: That article is very outdated. GRUB is now a rather different beast.
[03:36] <Tohuw> As a general rule, avoid using help articles more than a year old. (The one you linked is from
[03:36] <Tohuw> 3/22/07)
[03:36] <Kardos> but is it the same animal, and a different beast?
[03:37] <fredson> i'm running xubuntu 11.10 on my comp, i think it's an older version of grub too
[03:37] <Tohuw> fredson: That article still won't help you.
[03:37] <bobweaver> fredson,  Please read  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1851164
[03:38] <Tohuw> Alternatively, there is a Wiki article on this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[03:38] <jiohua> first time here
[03:39] <fredson> grub install says it succeeded, now i just need to reboot
[03:40] <fredson> thank you so much
[03:40] <morphias> can someone here point me somewhere? i am learning C++ in school and I am getting comfortable with programming.  i would like to contribute to ubuntu but i want to know how i would go about doing so...
[03:41] <bobweaver> C++ Ubuntu TV is going to be looking for help with C++
[03:41] <bobweaver> morphias,  ^^
[03:41] <bobweaver> morphias,  there is also nux and what not and Unity that is C++
[03:42] <fego> morphias: in which area you want to contribute ,
[03:42] <bobweaver> Install qtcreator and have at it morphias . what kinda things are you thinking that you would like to work on for fun ?
[03:42] <ESphynx> morphias how about learning eC and contributing to the IDE, compiler or GUI toolkit :P It just got into Ubuntu :P
[03:43] <fego> if you wish to develop UI stuffs , then you can see python
[03:43] <morphias> uhm... wow lots of responses
[03:43] <bobweaver> fego,  Oo
[03:44] <Tex_Nick> I did an upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 rather than a clean install ... it seemed to work ok, however when i attempt to do a update through update manager, it says ( Failed to download repository information - chech your internet connection ) DETAILS : W:Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[03:44] <Tex_Nick> , W:Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[03:44] <Tex_Nick> , E:Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[03:44] <bobweaver> morphias,  there is a thing called Harvest it is used to track bugs
[03:44] <morphias> i am kindof the person that loves working with things similar to windows C# forms and also i thought the Unity would be cool
[03:44] <Tex_Nick> I plan on doing a clean install in the next day or so ... but would first like to learn the reason for this problem.
[03:45] <bobweaver> morphias,  you can use this to find things that you want to fix in Ubuntu if you like
[03:45] <bobweaver> morphias,  http://harvest.ubuntu.com/
[03:45] <bobweaver> morphias,  if you like Unity then you would like to drop in for UDS ?
[03:46] <morphias> whats UDS?
[03:46] <bobweaver> morphias,  http://uds.ubuntu.com/
[03:46] <bobweaver> you can register and hang out for remote tour if you like.
[03:46] <bobweaver> morphias,  ^^
[03:47] <bobweaver> there are even tracks and what not that you can watch and learn from and learn how the community operates morphias
[03:47] <johnjacobjingerh> christ almighty... 9 hours so far to edit my partition tables
[03:47] <johnjacobjingerh> gah
[03:47] <morphias> i wont be able to do the UDS... i would love to but can't :(
[03:47] <johnjacobjingerh> gparted is still cranking away
[03:48] <morphias> but im looking at the harvest
[03:48] <morphias> havent seen that b4
[03:48] <bobweaver> morphias,  you can do UDS via remotely
[03:49] <morphias> do you still need to register?
[03:49] <bobweaver> with Irc channels and also audio and visual for some
[03:49] <bobweaver> morphias,  If you want to have a say in things
[03:49] <bobweaver> morphias,  there is a pad that is used called etherpad
[03:50] <bobweaver> or something like that inorder to use that you must be registered on LP and what not  (I think)
[03:51] <bobweaver> morphias,   http://uds.ubuntu.com/community/remote-participation/
[03:51] <ahmad_> i have a question guys
[03:51] <morphias> i am on the register page... i see it now
[03:52] <ahmad_> if i am putting a command in rc.local  such as  'sudo mount -t vboxsf shared /home/openstack/host' how do i get around the asking for command problem?
[03:52] <ahmad_> asking for the password* i mean
[03:53] <morphias> do they do summits in the USA?
[03:53] <bobweaver> morphias,  when looking at the scedual Unity is "Desktop " and there is a UbuntuTV Community meeting also
[03:53] <bobweaver> morphias,  Yes and if you do your fair share Ubuntu (canonical) will pay for you to go !
[03:53] <morphias> sweet!
[03:53] <bobweaver> morphias,  where-ever it is
[03:54] <ahmad_> oh nvm doesn't ask for password :| wierd
[03:55] <bobweaver> morphias,  I am going to UDS because of Work in UbuntuTV     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMgQpS8F6_o
[03:55] <bobweaver> C++ ^^
[03:55] <bobweaver> qt and qml
[03:55] <Loshki> ahmad_: that's because rc.local runs as root, so the sudo doesn't have to ask for a password....
[03:55] <bobweaver> python and also some bash
[03:56] <bobweaver> morphias,  so in a round about way Ubuntu as a distro Rocks by far ?Bar none above others and treating there community members great. For real they Do.
[03:57] <morphias> cool
[03:57] <bobweaver> No other distro I give code to. They never offer me nothing , not that it is about that
[03:57] <bobweaver> but it is nice rotflol !!
[03:58] <morphias> with taking college classes and also self paced study in programming and being a user of ubuntu for over 2 years now I was like I want to do more than tweak config files and crap :)
[03:58] <bobweaver> morphias,  yeah I def say if you want to mess with Unity just go for it
[03:58] <bobweaver> Install Qt creator and go nuts !
[03:59] <Tohuw> Unity isn't QT...
[03:59] <bobweaver> Tohuw,  2d is
[04:00] <Tohuw> Ah. That's what I get for butting in. Night!
[04:00] <bobweaver> it is QT and qt-quick or qml or what ever you ant to call it
[04:01] <morphias> what can I find for a todo list with unity?
[04:01] <bobweaver> qml is super cool but with libunity no longer suporting it and also dee moving away ksh is all I got to say to that
[04:01] <opti> short query, does ubuntu 12.10 use hardware accelerated AES on cpu's that support it?
[04:02] <opti> for ssh/rsync and the like
[04:02] <bobweaver> morphias,  I suggest reading the wiki page real short http://unity.ubuntu.com/
[04:02] <bobweaver> morphias,  are you opengl person by chance ?
[04:03] <bobweaver> morphias,  there is also a api coming real real real soon about LibNUX and other C++ libs
[04:03] <morphias> i have converted from doing directx projects on windows about a year ago to stopped doing programming just to learn linux and start learning other languages outside of .NET
[04:03] <morphias> been trying to pick up on opengl here and there
[04:04] <bobweaver> morphias,  I also worked a .NET / visual basic / asp classic
[04:05] <SouravAJ> new user cant start x server it giving me the error xauth timeout in locking authority file .xauthority how to fix this?
[04:05] <chaotix> hi guys  :)
[04:05] <SouravAJ> i am using backtrak5
[04:05] <chaotix> im setting up my htpc...  its a low end pos computer, but its all i have available for the task, and it is this or look at a blue screen on my hdtv lol.....   i am going to be using xbmc a lot, i really like it...  but for my distro i havent made any decisions yet...  i would like some input please
[04:05] <bobweaver> fun stuff but there is qt and qml and C++ and javascript which = the bomb
[04:05] <bobweaver> morphias, ^^
[04:05] <chaotix> SouravAJ, prepare to get flamed, or ubottu'd
[04:05] <chaotix> lol
[04:05] <chaotix> sorry bud been there
[04:06] <bobweaver> SouravAJ,  /join #blackbuntu
[04:06] <chaotix> good distro, but even the ubunto-offtopic crowd will ubottu you for mentioning backtrack
[04:06] <chaotix> :P
[04:06] <kunji> SouravAJ: you probably just need to add the new user to the right group
[04:06] <bobweaver> what happened to nbuntu ?
[04:06] <Natural> hello
[04:06] <chaotix> i was thinking xubuntu, with the medibuntu repos...  or maybe mythbuntu, but i havent the slightest clue about running myth tv
[04:07] <webfox> Is there a word for 'winsock' at Linux ?
[04:07] <bobweaver> SouravAJ,  Backbox is also great
[04:07] <kunji> chaotix: well, doesn't backtrack have their own irc channel?  I thought they did.
[04:07] <chaotix> what u guys think i should use for it
[04:07] <chaotix> i was just playing...
[04:07] <bobweaver> SouravAJ,  they also have repo and so do I for pen testing tools if you like
[04:07] <chaotix> about bt
[04:08] <bobweaver> chaotix,  there is a backend ad a front end
[04:08] <bobweaver> think of it like that
[04:08] <bobweaver> backend = mysql
[04:08] <SouravAJ> is there any solution for this
[04:08] <chaotix> id rather not go with myth i think...
[04:08] <bobweaver> there is also plugins for Unity for front end chaotix
[04:09] <kunji> chaotix: I actually wouldn't worry about what distro too much, personally I don't care much as long as it's using a debian based package manager :P
[04:09] <chaotix> the computer is a real pos
[04:09] <bobweaver> it is easy to use chaotix
[04:09] <morphias> bobweaver, i got QT Creator installed... is there anything in particular that i should accomplish? ( i am bad at finding stuff for myself to do but good at doing what others ask me to attempt)
[04:10] <chaotix> mostly i am going to be using xbmc, but i want to have the stuff there when i need it...   basically right now i am wondering lxde or xfce to go with
[04:10] <chaotix> i have used both and they are okay
[04:10] <chaotix> havent used lubuintu for long however
[04:11] <chaotix> and have experienced a few crashes, off a almost fresh install
[04:11] <Tex_Nick> when i attemp to upgrade 12.10 through update manager I get an http 404 error ... how do I fix that ?
[04:11] <chaotix> it is a virtual box tho
[04:11] <kunji> I like LXDE better, but it's personal preference
[04:11] <bobweaver> morphias,  you can use bzr to get Unity source code I wrote about it I will get link
[04:12] <bobweaver> morphias,  http://askubuntu.com/questions/181474/now-that-i-built-unity-how-do-i-install-it/196023#196023
[04:13] <samurai2> for example I have ten files with names dir_1, dir_2, ... dir 10, dir 11. How to make a match using grep to only return file with 1 or 10, but not both? thanks :)
[04:13] <bobweaver> samurai2, use find
[04:14] <chaotix> is there a good channel i could be discussing this topic in besides ubuntu-ot??  theres no one over there right now
[04:14] <bobweaver> samurai2,  with regex like {1..10}
[04:15] <samurai2> bobweaver : thanks :)
[04:15] <bobweaver> samurai2,  you can also call regex in grep and diferent regex at that
[04:16] <bobweaver> samurai2,  man grep
[04:20] <fego> samurai2 and bobweaver ,{} is brace expansion unlike regex
[04:21] <SouravAJ> is this backtrak irc i typed /join #backtrack-linux but it jumped back in ubuntu
[04:22] <bobweaver> !backtrack | SouravAJ
[04:22] <wilee-nilee> SouravAJ, You can't join backtrack in root.
[04:23] <fego> hot heels he has
[04:23] <morphias> bobweaver, okay im downloading the dependencies now. i saw this basically gets me setup to develop unity in QT.  now is there any web page with like bugs, proposed features, etc for unity?
[04:23] <bobweaver> morphias,  Yes there is Ubuntu Harvest
[04:24] <bobweaver> morphias,  http://harvest.ubuntu.com/
[04:25] <morphias> yeah i have been looking on there and i am trying to find unity
[04:26] <morphias> wait nvm... i had a filter
[04:26] <morphias> now that guy said that qt is for 2d?
[04:26] <morphias> should i consult unity-2d then?
[04:26] <bobweaver> morphias,  https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity
[04:27] <bobweaver> morphias,  the toturial that I was talking about was for wither qt (unity 2d) or C++/Nux(unity 3d )
[04:28] <bobweaver> either way you can open CMakeList.txt with qtcreator morphias
[04:28] <morphias> cool
[04:28] <bobweaver> for Unity{1..}
[04:28] <bobweaver> er
[04:28] <bobweaver> for Unity{2..3}
[04:28] <bobweaver> morphias,  Unity is real easy to hack
[04:29] <bobweaver> just depends on what kinda  lang you want to rock
[04:29] <bobweaver> Like there is also GO and what not
[04:29] <bobweaver> which is kinda like C++
[04:30] <bobweaver> morphias,  maybe libNux and Ubuntu TV ?
[04:30] <bobweaver> interface will be wrote at a soon point
[04:33] <morphias> sounds interesting
[04:34] <morphias> im doing a test build in QT right now
[04:34] <morphias> but yeah i love learning new things
[04:34] <bobweaver> morphias,  I will try and find api that mhall119  is building
[04:34] <morphias> if you got stuff bobweaver ill definatly indulge on it
[04:35] <morphias> omg ... unity taking a while on my little i3 lappy
[04:35] <bobweaver> morphias,  It is 100 of C++ pages
[04:36] <bobweaver> glib ect it is amazig in the scheme of things ;)
[04:36] <morphias> bobweaver, is it normal to download source code that has compilation errors?
[04:36] <bobweaver> Like to have One Uni-i-fied interface
[04:37] <bobweaver> sometimes what are errors ? on make you are saying ?
[04:37] <bobweaver> think unity is bad try kde lxde ect
[04:37] <bobweaver> is it the flag for a unused lens ? for lens.cpp
[04:37] <bobweaver> ?
[04:37] <Scott_S> morphias, In general downloaded source code, as long as it states it is stable, will not have compilation errors.
[04:38] <bobweaver> errors are differnet then warnings
[04:38] <bobweaver> No errors in unity 3d or 2d
[04:38] <morphias> i used the walkthrough and got a "has no member named" error and the run stopped
[04:39] <bobweaver> 2 warnings   Kde no errors 256 warnings
[04:39] <bobweaver> morphias,  what walkthrough
[04:40] <Scott_S> Warning can refer to unsafe data types (e.g. Not specifying the type of data an array will contain), and they can also refer to 'friendly reminders' from the compiler.
[04:40] <morphias> http://askubuntu.com/questions/181474/now-that-i-built-unity-how-do-i-install-it/196023#196023 that one
[04:40] <morphias> how do i get it to run ignoring the warnings from QT?
[04:40] <bobweaver> what step morphias  ?
[04:40] <Scott_S> morphias, Generally you do not want to suppress warnings.
[04:40] <bobweaver> !screenshot | morphias
[04:43] <morphias> http://imagebin.org/233187
[04:43] <bobweaver> Oo
[04:43] <morphias> i clicked the run button and it did that ...
[04:44] <Scott_S> morphias: That is stating that the method does not exist in that class.
[04:44] <Scott_S> morphias: Have you downloaded and libraries that need to be linked for the compilation?
[04:44] <bobweaver> morphias,  where is soruce from apt-get or bzr ?
[04:44] <morphias> bzr
[04:45] <bobweaver> Scott_S, sudo apt-get build-deps unity      should do that
[04:45] <bobweaver> morphias,  do you have pastebinit installed ?
[04:45] <morphias> no but i could install it :)
[04:46] <Scott_S> bobweaver: You'd think so, but nothing is flawless. That error refers to a non-existent method, which means something is missing.
[04:46] <morphias> i did do build-deps unity
[04:46] <bobweaver> Scott_S,  then there is bug and should be reported
[04:47] <bobweaver> morphias,   apt-cache search unity |pastebinit      let us see the link
[04:48] <bobweaver> er
[04:49] <bobweaver> morphias,  apt-cache policy unity | pastebinit     let us see the link *
[04:50] <morphias> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304186/
[04:50] <morphias> hey check this out...
[04:50] <morphias> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1068033
[04:52] <bobweaver> morphias,  then  check the CMakeList.list make sure that it is checking fr it
[04:52] <bobweaver> CMakeList.txt *
[04:54] <bobweaver> make sure in the shared Lib but that would be in the Configuration ..... Are you sure that there was not any Cmake errors when configureing morphias
[04:56] <bobweaver> morphias,   you can also join us on #ubuntu-tv
[04:56] <morphias> okay
[04:56] <morphias> i didnt get any cmake error
[04:57] <samurai2> hi there I used while loop in shell and it's still doesn't work, I do something like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304189/, but it's said :
[04:57] <samurai2> 1
[04:57] <samurai2> addDir.sh: 4: [: expr: unexpected operator
[04:57] <vp18> does anyone on here have failed depository thing when doing  updates?
[05:00] <wilee-nilee> vp18, How and where/when do you get fails, pastebin this if you can.
[05:00] <Tex_Nick> vp18 : do you mean a http 404 error ?
[05:01] <Jordan_U> samurai2: "set -x" is a great debugging tool for the shell, I think you'll see the problem when you add "set -x".
[05:01] <samurai2> Jordan_U : thanks.
[05:01] <Jordan_U> samurai2: You're welcome.
[05:03] <Tex_Nick> wilee-nilee : I think I'm having the same issue as vp18 ... when trying to update 12.10 through update manager
[05:04] <blue_> Whats up everybody, Does anyone know anything about JIRCii their website is http://www.oldschoolirc.com I'm just having a hard time installing it.
[05:04] <wilee-nilee> Tex_Nick, Run a update in the terminal and pastebin all the text?
[05:04] <thomedy> okay i have gimp
[05:04] <thomedy> i am trying to install gp
[05:04] <thomedy> gap
[05:05] <thomedy> i ran rsycn  and also maned what it does and ithought that it was going to install it but i dont seem to have gap
[05:05] <Jordan_U> samurai2: Also note that for iterating through numbers a for loop is *much* more sane.
[05:08] <Tex_Nick> wilee-nilee : i'm running a dual boot box ... presently in M-$0ft os ... let me reboot into ubuntu and give you some info
[05:08] <blue_> Are you guys seeing what I type I just want to make sure x chat is working right
[05:08] <Jordan_U> blue_: Yes, we see you.
[05:08] <blue_> kool thanks bro
[05:09] <blue_> but do you guys know anything about JIRCii
[05:11] <Jordan_U> blue_: If nobody has an answer to your question, then nobody will answer. With so many people in the channel having everyone say "I don't know about that" when someone asks a question doesn't really scale, so just be patient and if you don't get a response it means that nobody has an answer, not that we didn't see you or that we're ignoring you (we're not).
[05:11] <blue_> no problem
[05:15] <Karlo_> I'm in single-user mode; "apt-get check" reports a bunch of errors.  Obviously, I can't correct them by installing new stuff, until I have a network.  Is it reasonable for me to correct the errors by removing stuff instead, and then letting it install the right stuff later on?
[05:16] <Lil> I am having a problem. I installed xrdp, but when I connect to it... it's like the unity launcher doesn't load. I can see the desktop icons and right click, etc.. Running 12.10, and connecting from a win7 machine.
[05:20] <david> Hello...:)
[05:21] <Guest24773> I want set up unity in my ubuntu studio 12.10
[05:21] <Guest24773> how can i do that?
[05:22] <Jordan_U> Karlo_: Have you tried simply running "sudo apt-get -f install"? It may in fact propose to remove packages rather than install them (or may propose to install packages which are already in the package cache).
[05:22] <aeon-ltd> !uniyu | Guest24773
[05:22] <aeon-ltd> !unity | Guest24773
[05:23] <irenicus09> hello can anyone help me with my wifi issue
[05:23] <fleish> hi all, I'm trying to boot the cloud images from uec-images.ubuntu.com, have gotten precise & oneiric working with no issues. but lucid fails with an alert that /dev/xvda does not exist and drops me in the initramfs. anyone experienced this? am running it on openstack+xen
[05:23] <irenicus09> I'm trying to change the region of my card but it defaults to country 00
[05:23] <irenicus09> *iw reg set xx
[05:24] <Guest24773> Unity is the default UI since Ubuntu 11.04. But I want set up in my ubuntu studio, but It has only XFCE...
[05:24] <aeon-ltd> Guest24773: first answer here has the pkg names http://askubuntu.com/questions/131016/how-can-i-remove-and-re-install-unity
[05:24] <Guest24773> OK thank you!...:)
[05:25] <Lil> I am having a problem. I installed xrdp, but when I connect to it... it's like the unity launcher doesn't load. I can see the desktop icons and right click, etc.. Running 12.10, and connecting from a win7 machine.
[05:26] <rexwin_> when trying to euc2ools i get the error message. http://picpaste.com/ubuntu-error-8meDFArs.bmp
[05:28] <suripto_w> heloow
[05:28] <Tex_Nick>  wilee-nilee : RE- 12.10 update problem ... I've booted into ubuntu & run update through terminal output is @ -> http://pastebin.com/51V35NH4
[05:29] <Karlo_> Jordan_U: Yes, I've tried it.  That command produces the error list.
[05:29] <ahmad_> hi guys, i am getting this error can anyone shed some light please
[05:29] <ahmad_> ahmad is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[05:29] <ahmad_> when i try to use sudo it happens
[05:30] <Karlo_> Jordan_U: I can't try it from multi-user mode because it refuses to boot, *possibly* because the database is bad.
[05:30] <Jordan_U> Karlo_: Can you pastebin the exact error message? Both using pastebin, and fixing this, might be easier if you booted from a LiveCD/USB and chrooted in to run commands.
[05:31] <Karlo_> I've got someone coming over right now with a disk.
[05:31] <suripto_w> i got upgrade issue ":Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
[05:31] <wilee-nilee> Tex_Nick, The xswat ppa does not have a quantal release you can go to softwrae sources and remove it or tick it off.
[05:31] <suripto_w> somebody please help///
[05:32] <Jordan_U> suripto_w: Can you pastebin the output of "sudo apt-get -f install"?
[05:32] <Karlo_> Jordan_U: I had just updated to 12.04 -- on reboot I got "The disk drive for / is not ready yet or not present".
[05:33] <Karlo_> As per a Web suggestion, I remounted / as readwrite, then tried "apt-get install -f" to deal with the broken packages.  I got dozens of error messages, mostly of the form "(something) is not installed".
[05:33] <wilee-nilee> Tex_Nick,I suggest tick it off as they may have one later, they are up to precise as of now
[05:33] <suripto_w> Reading package lists... Done
[05:33] <suripto_w> Building dependency tree
[05:33] <suripto_w> Reading state information... Done
[05:33] <suripto_w> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[05:33] <FloodBot1> suripto_w: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:33] <suripto_w> sorry...my mistake
[05:34] <Jordan_U> Karlo_: Try adding the "rootwait" kernel parameter (though that's most likely to just cause an indefinite hang, it might allow you to boot if for some reason the root FS is taking a long time to become available).
[05:34] <wilee-nilee> Tex_Nick, you can get to the software sources from the edit in the software center
[05:35] <rexwin_> how to check the version of ubuntu running
[05:36] <suripto_w> jordan_U .. the result would be this...http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304221/plain/
[05:37] <Karlo_> rexwin_, maybe cat /proc/version
[05:37] <Jordan_U> !version | rexwin_
[05:37] <Tex_Nick> wilee-nilee : Ok have ticked xswat off ... will try update again
[05:38] <Lil> I am having a problem. I installed xrdp, but when I connect to it... it's like the unity launcher doesn't load. I can see the desktop icons and right click, etc.. Running 12.10, and connecting from a win7 machine.
[05:38] <suripto_w> this is the bug in upgrading 12.04 to 12.10.......http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304226/plain/
[05:39] <suripto_w> plz help me
[05:39] <suripto_w> plz help me
[05:39] <wilee-nilee> suripto_w, How are you upgrading?
[05:40] <Kernel-Tux> Hello from CentOSQUITQUIT
[05:40] <Karlo_> OK, I now have an install disk for 12.04 -- friend brought it over but didn't stay to help.
[05:40] <suripto_w> using software center wilee-nilee
[05:41] <suripto_w> did i do something wrong???
[05:42] <wilee-nilee> suripto_w, I'm not sure I know how you would from there, could you  share that.
[05:42] <wilee-nilee> suripto_wI don't PM< the channel is better
[05:43] <suripto_w> sorry wilee-nilee....i can't make it right ....
[05:44] <wilee-nilee> suripto_w, If you close everything and open the update manager do you see a upgrade offered there?
[05:44] <suripto_w> i just don't know how to fix it....i'm already doing apt-get autoremove, apt-get clean, apt get -f install
[05:44] <Tex_Nick> wilee-nilee : as always you had the answer ... update now works ... hey man, thanks for the help ... it's ppl like you that make IRC & u=Ubuntu work
[05:45] <wilee-nilee> Tex_Nick, No problem, sometimes we get lucky. ;)
[05:45] <suripto_w> yes, wilee-nilee....i upgrade it because there's the offer
[05:45] <krish> hey guys, I said install updates on update manager yesterday and today morning nothing works on my ubuntu 12.04.   no network, no touchpad, I dont see network-manager, I try to use wired connection even it doesnt work.  I try to add new network manually but the fields are all disabled
[05:45] <wilee-nilee> suripto_w, Where?
[05:45] <krish> just what is happening!
[05:46] <Tex_Nick> wilee-nilee : lol yeah with me it's luck ... with you it's skill ;-)
[05:46] <suripto_w> from update manager...wilee-nilee
[05:46] <krish> I get crash dialogs from ubuntu one, gdunotification-daemon
[05:47] <wilee-nilee> suripto_w, So you are getting the error you posted from using the update manager?
[05:47] <Karlo_> Uh -- to boot from the CD, it should be sufficient to have the CD in the drive when the machine powers up, right?
[05:47] <suripto_w> it said new ubuntu release 12.10 is available...i just click upgrade
[05:47] <err-or> Karlo_: also you have to set up your boot order to use the cd drive first.
[05:47] <wilee-nilee> suripto_w Ah, so it just seems to be broken packages are blocking hold on.
[05:48] <Karlo_> Ah.  That sounds semi-familiar now.  If I go to the menu, I should be able to add something to the command line to boot from CD just this once, right?
[05:48] <krish> guys, any help on my issue
[05:48] <suripto_w> yes,...
[05:49] <suripto_w> what am i suppose to do then?
[05:50] <err-or> Karlo_: maybe this clarifys it more: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromCD
[05:50] <suripto_w> did i do something wrong??? wilee-nilee
[05:51] <wilee-nilee> suripto_w, Not sure the error is a broken package, the command Jordan_U gave you returned nothing, I'm googling to see if I can find something.
[05:53] <wilee-nilee> suripto_w, If it was me I would start with running a update and upgrade in the terminal to look for errors, so run a update and pastebin all the text.
[05:53] <Karlo_> Oh, I'd forgotten about this.  Although this whole thing started with my attempting to upgrade from 10.04 to 12.04, I seem to still have 10.04 on this system; the version-checking commands agreed on that, and so does the boot menu.
[05:53] <themhz> is there anyway I can add widgets on my desktop in ubuntu 12.04?
[05:53] <suripto_w> yes, i've tried the command that jordan_U gave me.....
[05:53] <philaneous> hi im having trouble updating ubuntu server 12.10
[05:53] <philaneous> something with the kernel
[05:54] <suripto_w> i'm still googling for it since this morning .....it's 12.54 pm in indonesia though
[05:55] <err-or> Karlo_: why not updating via update-manager?
[05:55] <Karlo_> err-or: I did.
[05:55] <Karlo_> Is "recovery mode" the same as "single user mode"?
[06:00] <MacYET> Latest Ubuntu version, latest kde-standard version installed, KDE desktop appears with default 800x600 resolution or so. there is no setting for adjusting the display settings…where to change?
[06:01] <krish> guys is there a way to roll back last update
[06:02] <MacYET> guys? no girls?
[06:03] <aeon-ltd> krish: yes, but it's NOT reccommended. too many things can go wrong
[06:04] <aeon-ltd> MacYET: my only suggestion is to check if you've got drivers installed for your gpu
[06:05] <MacYET> i could change the settings under unity
[06:05] <krish> aeon-ltd: well for now my last nights updates, .. nothing works,.. no network, no touch pad, half of the dialog boxes are disabled in settings, cant crash report (because no network)
[06:05] <MacYET> so i suspect that there something else missing
[06:06] <krish> I tried using the wired network.. same thing.. doesnt work
[06:06] <guang_> i want to use gtk+ interface to do some practice,where i can find code example??
[06:06] <aeon-ltd> krish: was the update interrupted?
[06:07] <krish> no, it wasnt .. logs says it failed
[06:07] <krish> im trying to force upgrade now
[06:08] <krish> and it says its trying to use alternative of ld.so because the x64 version is broken
[06:08] <krish> hope it goes fine
[06:08] <krish> :(
[06:08] <Karlo_> I've rebooted, but I *think* I'm still booted from hard disk instead of CD.  How can I tell for sure?
[06:09] <krish> this is pretty bad.  What about complete layman users ... update should break something to this level
[06:09] <krish> any ubuntu dev here ^
[06:09] <krish> might wanna take it up the ladder
[06:09] <wilee-nilee> krish, Hehe your assuming awful soon there is no user error here.
[06:10] <krish> I see the logs right
[06:10] <krish> I let the updates run, till it failed itself
[06:11] <krish> I was simply watching Mr.bean while this was happening.. not to interrupt anything (although that shouldnt be required)
[06:11] <chase> I did a minimal install using a wired connection. Now when I boot, my computer won't recognize I have a wireless card, but...if I plug in my ethernet cable, then unplug it, suddenly, it sees my wireless...ever heard of anything like that?
[06:11] <wilee-nilee> krish, logs don't release you from making an error. Have you added any repos and or installed 3rd party stuf.
[06:11] <chase> I installed ubuntu-gnome-desktop on top of the minimal install.
[06:11] <krish> like chrome repos?
[06:11] <krish> google chrome repo
[06:11] <krish> dont tell me that messes with ld.so :)
[06:12] <Ben64> X is taking up all my ram, how can I find out why?
[06:12] <wilee-nilee> krish, Installing chrome adds a deb to the sources.list I believe, is all. what are the exact errors?
[06:12]  * samurai2 thinks I have seen this MacYET somewhere before :)
[06:13] <Ben64> root      1215  3.0 64.7 4068708 2628428 tty7  Ss+  Oct12 543:20 /usr/bin/X :0 -nr -verbose -auth /var/run/gdm/auth-for-gdm-rUxFO9/database -nolisten tcp vt7
[06:14] <krish> The errors are to gdu-notification daemon crash and ubuntu one crash
[06:14] <krish> these are the only ones visible ^ wilee-nilee
[06:16] <krish> the logs show that ubuntu-apport failed for something
[06:16] <krish> manually upgraded it
[06:16] <krish> and now forced other updates
[06:16] <krish> lets see.. its going for a reboot
[06:18] <joosen> How can I install flash player 64bit into ubuntu 12.10?
[06:19] <Ben64> joosen: download it from adobe, then put in ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[06:19] <joosen> How the file that I will download?
[06:20] <Ben64> what do you mean
[06:20] <krish> wilee-nilee: ok it seems to work now... although load avg seems bit higher now (like 2.0+) and I hate to see so many kde daemns
[06:20] <krish> Btw, the way this got fixed is update ubuntu-apport manually
[06:20] <krish> then run the apt-get upgrade -f
[06:21] <krish> so I was lucky to have the packages already in my cache due to last nights updates.. else any other layman person is probably screwed
[06:21] <krish> thks all. lemme log off and resign in from the fixed box
[06:23] <IronLight> This takes some getting used to.
[06:24] <pgdac> `Compared to Window 8 why ubuntu 12.10 is booting slow :( ? I want ubuntu to boot fast !
[06:27] <wilee-nilee> pgdac, Windows 8 is a hybrid sleep.
[06:28] <thrgyjth> How does one obtain a mask on IRC?
[06:28] <coolstar> thrgyjth: #freenode
[06:28] <psychogenik> pls halp ubuntu keep showing porn n i dont even look at porn and im 12
[06:28] <somsip> !proxy | thrgyjth
[06:29] <thrgyjth> ok, thanks
[06:30] <coolstar> psychogenik: ubuntu doesn't show porn...
[06:30] <coolstar> psychogenik: must be someone else using your computer
[06:30] <nocturnal_> psychogenik: probably your dad
[06:30] <psychogenik> its in amazon lens or whatever
[06:31] <nocturnal_> ask amazon
[06:31] <coolstar> psychogenik: well here's a fix: when you see someone watching porn smash their face into the keyboard
[06:34] <NuSuey> what is it with my graphic card .. my 6850 (ati) will only show a black screen ~ install/boot of 12.04 .. and it goes same way when I turn the ati driver on the 12.10
[06:34] <Karlo_> Still no luck in getting the booter to use the cd instead of the hard disk.  It's as if it doesn't see a disk in there.
[06:35] <zruty> I got a HDD and when I try to install ubuntu and the partitioner starts, it does not show up. What can i do about that?
[06:35] <coolstar> zruty: is the hdd connected properly and turned on?
[06:36] <wilee-nilee> zruty, Check the HD in gparted and make sure it has a partition table.
[06:37] <zruty> coolstar: Yes.
[06:37] <samurai2> Hi, how to increment a variable in bourne shell script? like i++ in c? thanks :)
[06:37] <zruty> wilee-nilee: It does.
[06:37] <coolstar> zruty: pastie the output of "ls /dev/"
[06:37] <zruty> I can connect a USB interface to it and then it shows up, i can partition it, and copy data to and from
[06:38] <wilee-nilee> zruty, What is the partition type on there now, and soes it take up the whole disc?
[06:38] <zruty> But it does nto show up in the installer's partitioner, so I can not install ubuntu to it
[06:38] <wilee-nilee> does*
[06:38] <zruty> I can delete all partitions and create whatever I like, with the USB interface. But conneccted to the hdd interface on the mobo, in 2 computers, it does not show up in the installer's partitioner
[06:39] <Karlo_> samurai2: i=`expr $i + 1`  # works even in older shells
[06:39] <coolstar> zruty: would you mind pastieing the output of the command I mentioned above ^^
[06:39] <zruty> coolstar: I'd be happy to, but that may take a while: I do not have the disk right here right now...
[06:39] <Karlo_> samurai2: i=$(expr $i + 1)  # works in ksh and bash
[06:40] <zruty> What can I check, what can I look for?
[06:40] <suripto_w> wilee-nilee if i upgrade using live cd, would it be upgrade the system without deleting the "data" or erase all????
[06:41] <samurai2> Karlo_ : It's said  expr $i + 1: not found
[06:41] <basil1x> Hullo.  I keep getting a 'location already mounted' error when I insert a DVD.  I just upgraded to 12.10, and have never had this error before doing so.
[06:41] <somsip> samurai2: maybe this will help http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/bash-equivalent-to-c-increment-operator-131504/
[06:41] <wilee-nilee> suripto_w, No a cd will overwrite the install.
[06:41] <guang_> is there any tool to help choose the right character encoding automatically?
[06:42] <Karlo_> samurai2: It's enclosed in grave accents, `...`, not quotes
[06:42] <somsip> guang_: in what?
[06:42] <wilee-nilee> suripto_w, Honestly I would fix your setup now, post a thread at the ubuntu forums and get some help there as well, you seem to have some broken dependencies.
[06:42] <suripto_w> not just ugrade the system?but erase all??? cmiiw
[06:42] <guang_> somsip:vim
[06:42] <pgdac> samurai2: :seq first_number  +increament  last number
[06:43] <pgdac> samurai2:  You can try this also
[06:43] <wilee-nilee> suripto_w, 12.10 does not have a inplace upgrade with the alternative.
[06:43] <samurai2> Karlo_ : ah ic, those symbol really confusing. thanks :)
[06:43] <samurai2> pgdac : I'll try it. thanks :)
[06:44] <suripto_w> hm.....right, i should go to ubuntu forum.but when i'm googling other have the same situation as i did, but none has the answer after all
[06:44] <somsip> guang_: woudl something like this help you? http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1708
[06:45] <suripto_w> hm....it would replace all then, right? :((
[06:47] <samurai2> pgdac : thanks. now I can easily use for loop in bourne shell script without need to provide the whole sequence numbers. :)
[06:47] <Karlo_> samurai2: for i in `seq 20`; do echo here is $i; done
[06:47] <pgdac> samurai2:  Di you found my reply worthful ?
[06:48] <Karlo_> samurai2: That's another way to do it.
[06:48] <pgdac> samurai2: *Did
[06:48] <samurai2> pgdac, Karlo_ : Yeah, thanks to both of you. :)
[06:49] <pgdac> samurai2: Always Welocme !
[06:49] <Karlo_> Not only does the system fail to boot from CD, but when I go to runlevel 1, it doesn't have any info for mounting /dev/cdrom -- it sounds to me as though I don't have a working CD-ROM drive.  Anything else I can try before I give up on that?
[06:50] <prodnix> Hi all, I have a fully functional PXE server runnin ubuntu, debian, winPE and various live discs. I am currently trying to make my ubuntu live boot persistent. At the kernel line I have added persistent. My NFS is writable but I cannot get anything to stick. I test by changing my samba workgroup to mshome. Any help would be appreciated
[06:50] <pgdac> Karlo_: Please repeat your question  one more time
[06:51] <Karlo_> Not only does the system fail to boot from CD, but when I go to runlevel 1, it doesn't have any info for mounting /dev/cdrom -- it sounds to me as though I don't have a working CD-ROM drive.  Anything else I can try before I give up on that?
[06:52] <basil1x> this error only happens with blank discs
[06:52] <pgdac> Karlo_: How you mounting your cd in  runlevel 1
[06:52] <Karlo_> Details: I insert the CD and cold boot, but it boots from hard disk instead.  That gives me the error "The disk drive for / is not ready yet or not present", and from there, M takes me to maintenance mode, aka runlevel 1.
[06:52] <foobArrr> I have problems with distorted sound and echo with vlc. Often sound is only distorted for the first few seconds or a minute of a file, then sound is normal. When I skip to the next song/video, sound is distorted again. Also volume levels are strange: some videos are loud, some are quiet, in mplayer they have similar volume. this started a few weeks ago on 12.04 and is still present in 12.10.
[06:54] <somsip> foobArrr: this is not a solution, but do you need to use vlc?
[06:54] <Karlo_> I then attempt to mount it manually.  Neither "mount /dev/cdrom" nor "mount /mnt/cdrom" works (it claims that neither mtab nor fstab knows about that device or directory).  So I try "mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom"...  I don't know if I need more options there.
[06:54] <foobArrr> somsip: no, I don't. but I want to use vlc.
[06:55] <Karlo_> Oh, /mnt/cdrom didn't exist.  OK, I create it and try the mount... Now it says mount: /dev/sr0: unknown device
[06:57] <Karlo_> /dev/cdrom is a symlink to sr0, which is block device 11,0.
[06:59] <somsip> Karlo_: AFAIK, sr0 is a cdrom on a SATA connection. Have you tried sudo mount /dev/sr0 /mnt/cdrom -t iso9660
[07:02] <Karlo_> Trying that now
[07:03] <Karlo_> "no medium found on /dev/sr0"
[07:03] <somsip> Karlo_: though maybe you are root - did you say you were in single-user mode...no matter
[07:03] <Karlo_> Right, I'm omitting the sudo verb.
[07:03] <somsip> Karlo_: maybe you were right about having a dodgy drive. That command (or similar) has worked for me in the dim distant past
[07:04] <Karlo_> If I plug a thumb drive into the USB port, where should that appear on the filesystem?
[07:04] <somsip> Karlo_: I doubt there will be autoloading in single-user mode. You will have to mount
[07:05] <pgdac> Karlo_:  Did you tried  moutn using /dev/cdrom if it is not working then try definig cd/dvd type  . Let's hope for the best!
[07:05] <Guest90235> hello , i can install ubuntu in to a pen drive however my old motherboard stuck whenever i use other format than fat16
[07:05] <Karlo_> OK then, what device name would the thumb drive have
[07:06] <Guest90235> perhaps making a fat16 boot partition could solve my problem, can anyone help?
[07:06] <somsip> Karlo_: dmesg may help you
[07:09] <prodnix> Any ideas on my persistent PXE ubuntu?
[07:09] <TPAKTOPUCTA> hello all
[07:10] <Karlo_> OK, seems to be /dev/sdb
[07:10] <TPAKTOPUCTA> i have one question regarding the new ubuntu release 12.10
[07:10] <TPAKTOPUCTA> and virtualbox
[07:11] <brady> how can i install a package that i have in a .rpm file?
[07:11] <pgdac> TPAKTOPUCTA: Just ask the question. Don't ask to ask questoin
[07:11] <pgdac> brady: Firstly conver .rpm to .deb
[07:11] <somsip> brady: dont, or if you have to http://www.unixmen.com/howto-install-rpm-packages-on-ubuntu/
[07:12] <TPAKTOPUCTA> i am running ubuntu as OS and on top of that I have virtualbox with several windows virtual machines
[07:12] <basil1x> sorry... computer had issues
[07:12] <fego> brady: dont they provide installers for debian based distros ?
[07:12] <TPAKTOPUCTA> before the upgrade with 12.04 everything works just fine
[07:12] <brady> im trying to  install gcc
[07:12] <TPAKTOPUCTA> no lag and problems while working in the virtual environment
[07:13] <pgdac> brady:  gcc is already in ubuntu
[07:13] <TPAKTOPUCTA> but after the upgrade to 12.10
[07:13] <fego> brady: gcc is available in all linux distributions includong ubuntu
[07:13] <newb2linux> ello?
[07:13] <brady> yes but i need an earlyer version, the new version breaks serial communication with my arduino mega
[07:13] <fego> !info build-essential | brady
[07:13] <TPAKTOPUCTA> i have lags and after random time intervals my virtual machine hangs
[07:13] <TPAKTOPUCTA> anyone experience the same issue
[07:14] <newb2linux> looking for someones input on receiver installs in sure, ubuntu and centos
[07:14] <pgdac> brady:  Means you want to know how to degrade your gcc
[07:14] <fego> brady: you can serch for earlier versions too
[07:14] <brady> yes.. ive been trying to downgrade for hours , i ended up using aptitude to remove it.
[07:14] <fego> or in worst case compile from source tarball
[07:14] <Guest90235> can i create a boot partition before installing ubuntu? even for a single boot?
[07:14] <newb2linux> it takes openmotif and I try to install- needs dependencies, I searchand install the dependant apps and it snowballs from there to more and more
[07:14] <brady> i dont know , where to search
[07:15] <pgdac> brady:  Google it !
[07:15] <brady> i did..
[07:15] <brady> thats how i ended up with the rpm's
[07:15] <newb2linux> anyone have success getting receiver installed on ubuntu?
[07:15] <fego> brady: may be BullShark
[07:16] <newb2linux> there is a small number of articles - follwoed each with a different error on all
[07:16] <fego> sorry
[07:16] <newb2linux> lol
[07:16] <brady> i dont know what to google specifically, other than gcc 4.3.3
[07:16] <fego> brady: may be http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[07:16] <brady> bullshark?
[07:16] <fego> sorry it was an accident brady
[07:18] <somsip> brady: I get a helpful looking set of results with "how to downgrade ubuntu gcc"
[07:18] <mar77i> needing help here...
[07:18] <somsip> !details | mar77i
[07:19] <diabolique> hey guys my videos on youtube play at super fast speed..any way to reduce the play speed?
[07:20] <mar77i> hi to you too. As it looks there's been a (weekly) update which crashed. the machine doesn't boot any more and the live system can't chroot because "/bin/bash: doesn't exist" << except, it does. I'm not clear if I missed something when I tried to fix it with # apt-get -o Dir=/media/sda1 --reinstall amd64 libc6
[07:20] <diabolique> hey guys my videos on youtube play at super fast speed..any way to reduce the play speed?
[07:20] <diabolique> hey guys my videos on youtube play at super fast speed..any way to reduce the play speed?
[07:20] <diabolique> hey guys my videos on youtube play at super fast speed..any way to reduce the play speed?
[07:20] <FloodBot1> diabolique: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:20] <llutz_> mar77i: do you try to chroot from 64bit into 32bit installation or vice versa?
[07:20] <cnf> anyone know of something like geektool i can use with unity?
[07:21] <Luffha> hi guys
[07:21] <Luffha> what does it mean, if i do an "ls" and i file shows with a * at the end?
[07:21] <brady> can't find 4.3.3 on packages.ubuntu.com
[07:21] <raid0array> ok so I created a raid 0 array with mdam to the point where I can mount it using sudo mount /dev/md0 after a reboot but I don't know how to get it to mount on boot. any suggestions?
[07:22] <Luffha> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  202 2012-10-24 16:55 default*
[07:22] <raid0array> *mdadm
[07:22] <Luffha> and green colored :D
[07:22] <suripto_w> does anyone has a display driver for intel gm 965/gl960?....my display sometimes scratch and using vesa for display driver
[07:22] <cnf> Luffha: man ls, and search for -F
[07:22] <cnf> Luffha: it means it's executable, btw
[07:24] <Luffha> Thanks
[07:24] <cnf> Luffha: and the green means the same thing, btw
[07:24] <cnf> green for executable
[07:24] <surferboy> I'm looking for a person who is real clued up with openvpn tunnels
[07:24] <mar77i> well, it should be the cd from where 10.04 was installed (which still had an 'amd64' package, if I have understood correctly). Also, there's no /lib64 directory in the system. also I saw a file with an extremely strange name that contained some \x01 char and stuff
[07:24] <surferboy> I was told that this Ubuntu channel is the place to look
[07:24] <surferboy> right?
[07:25] <mar77i> you got me right that ldd /media/sda1/bin/bash shows /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 but there's no such directory. how can I restore files without chrooting?
[07:25] <brady> the search results may appear useful for downgrade gcc ubuntu.. but im really not getting anywhere from going though the pages.
[07:27] <guang_> somsip:thank you.It does work
[07:28] <diabolique> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304326/
[07:28] <somsip> guang_: np
[07:28] <basil1x> I keep having connection issues... but that's Comcast, and not Ubuntu.  should I restate my question, or is that not necessary?
[07:29] <diabolique> guys help please http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304326/
[07:32] <alumno> !!
[07:32] <alumno> hola
[07:32] <somsip> basil1x: is the DVD mount point in use?
[07:32] <mar77i> ...
[07:32] <basil1x> It must be, but there's nothing there.
[07:32] <somsip> basil1x: output of 'mount'?
[07:33] <brady> sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4 g++-3.4        , unable to locate package
[07:33] <basil1x> about 15 lines, none of which I understand
[07:34] <somsip> !pastebin | basil1x
[07:34] <shai2892> Hello, Does Ubuntu now cost money? I've trying to download Ubuntu from the official website but I cant find direct download link? just payment page?
[07:34] <librarystudent02> hey
[07:34] <brady> no.. it does not cost money.
[07:35] <librarystudent02> someone please msg me so i can know that this is workinggg
[07:35] <shai2892> brady: so where I can get the latest download?
[07:35] <TPAKTOPUCTA> shai2892: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[07:35] <basil1x> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304336/
[07:35] <cnf> so i was told gkrellm and conky, less have a looksee
[07:35] <brady> i used some program that downloaded it and put it on a usb drive
[07:35] <brady> i dont recell the name
[07:36] <TPAKTOPUCTA> shai2892 http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server this is the server version
[07:36] <basil1x> sorry... it took me a bit to post it
[07:36] <librarystudent02> brady: what is the latest ubuntu version at the moment/
[07:37] <brady> 12.10 , however, i was unhappy when i upgraded from 12.04
[07:37] <jgfarnden> Hey there
[07:38] <librarystudent02> brady: why
[07:38] <brady> 12.04 was operating solid on my machine, the latest "upgrade" has brought significant instablity to my machine, and i can't downgrade without fully reinstalling.
[07:38] <librarystudent02> yo wassup
[07:39] <brady> the system went from almost never crashing to , crashing several times a day, random errors, more applications suddenly haulting.. etc.
[07:39] <basil1x> somsip:  Could this thing be trying to mount the disc twice for some reason?
[07:40] <Karlo_> In retrospect, I should have stayed with 10.04 here.
[07:40] <jgfarnden> I ran 12.04 got hybrid graphics to work and was satisfied by it. So I went on to 12.10 I do a bit of the same method as I did to get changeable gpu's but as soon as the config is made for the xorg it gives a bad error.
[07:40] <librarystudent02> brady: so now your ubuntu version is 12.10? mine is 10.10 XD
[07:40] <somsip_> basil1x: possibly - did you pastebin the output from mount? I dropped for a couple of minutes
[07:40] <brady> i was perfectly happy with 12.04
[07:40] <basil1x> somsip:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304336/
[07:40] <basil1x> sorry... I'm still a slow typer, though I'm improving
[07:41] <librarystudent02> brady: well what past is past
[07:42] <Karlo_> Is it possible to start the network, from single user mode?  If I can somehow do that, it might be possible for me to fix stuff.
[07:42] <somsip_> basil1x: looks normal. Do you get any errors in dmesg that might help?
[07:42] <brady> well.. it would have been better for them to just push back the release date.
[07:42] <librarystudent02> brady: what release date?
[07:42] <brady> of 12.10
[07:43] <crosswyb> Hi guys  I got some problems   Package requirements (libxml-2.0) were not met:  No package 'libxml-2.0' found
[07:43] <crosswyb> what should I do
[07:43] <llutz_> brady: "i was perfectly happy with 12.04"  <- why did you upgrade then at all?
[07:43] <nocturnal_> 12.04 is lts isnt it?
[07:43] <llutz_> nocturnal_:  it is
[07:44] <librarystudent02> herbie
[07:44] <librarystudent01> test
[07:44] <brady> the upgrade popped up automatically, i had trust that it was safe.
[07:44] <librarystudent02> herbieee
[07:44] <librarystudent01> open xfuck.org at home
[07:44] <librarystudent02> no way-_-
[07:44] <mpajor_op5> librarystudent01: stop spamming
[07:44] <somsip_> librarystudent01: please stop
[07:45] <librarystudent01> derppppppppppp
[07:45] <librarystudent01> element 115 is ready to be released
[07:45] <librarystudent02> HERBIEEE
[07:45] <jgfarnden> http://webchat.freenode.net/#o.O
[07:45] <jgfarnden> woops
[07:45] <jgfarnden> sorry
[07:45] <librarystudent02> can you see the meesage
[07:45] <jgfarnden> don't boot
[07:46] <jgfarnden> I had a question
[07:46] <somsip_> !ops | librarystudent02 is spamming
[07:46] <FloodBot1> jgfarnden: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:46] <andras> Hi, I have a kickstart ks.cfg on a webserver is there a way to specify this at boot time without modifying the install iso image ?
[07:46] <librarystudent02> ask brady
[07:46] <librarystudent01> fuck
[07:47] <brady> ask what?
[07:47] <basil1x> somsip_:  I get one that says 'forcing readonly mount
[07:48] <mar77i> so hm, reinstalling libc6 resulted in an error in post-transaction something
[07:48] <jgfarnden> So does anyone know anything about the hybrid graphics on 12.10
[07:49] <somsip_> basil1x: the cd drive has worked okay in the past, or is it new?
[07:49] <jgfarnden> ?
[07:50] <basil1x> It still works... I burned a DVD to test it after I got the error... but the error balloon shows up every time I try
[07:51] <basil1x> somsip_: I can paste the whole output if you like, but it's fairly extensive
[07:51] <brady> jesus.. this is so annoying.
[07:51] <brady> i manage to remove gcc
[07:51] <somsip_> basil1x: just when DVD-R is inserted?
[07:51] <brady> i mange to install a downgraded version 3.4 gcc
[07:51] <brady> i discover arduino was uninstalled with the higher gcc
[07:51] <basil1x> somsip_: yes, recorded DVDs produce no error
[07:52] <brady> i reinstall arduino 1.01, i discover it has installed newer gcc
[07:52] <brady> im back to where i started
[07:52] <jgfarnden> brady
[07:52] <jgfarnden> What are you trying to do
[07:52] <nug700> so... just installed the newest ubuntu.
[07:53] <brady> im trying to downgrade gcc , i need a version where the newer gcc doesn't break the serial communications via my arduino mega
[07:53] <somsip_> basil1x: can you show output of ls -la /media
[07:53] <jgfarnden> purge all of it
[07:53] <jgfarnden> and install it again
[07:54] <brady> gcc-3.4 , allegedly is supposed to work.
[07:54] <jgfarnden> well
[07:54] <nug700> first of all... why isn't the x server configering the monitor settup like the way I try to?
[07:54] <jgfarnden> it's a chain deal
[07:54] <brady> i am not proficient enough of a user to simply know what purge it all means
[07:54] <jgfarnden> you remove a working part
[07:54] <jgfarnden> xD
[07:54] <jgfarnden> sudo apt-get purge gcc
[07:54] <jgfarnden> who knows
[07:54] <basil1x> somsip_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304361/
[07:55] <jgfarnden> Whatever the application is you are trying to fix remove them both and just reinstall them back
[07:55] <nug700> Why is ubuntu slowly starting to seem like os x?
[07:55] <brady> yes i see it right there, in the purge process
[07:55] <brady> its removing arduino
[07:55] <jgfarnden> A long time ago I had made a picture
[07:56] <nug700> Why is ubuntu12 open things slower than 10?
[07:56] <brady> which is what happened last time, when i reinstall arduino, it will reinstall a newer version of gcc that causes the problem.
[07:56] <jgfarnden> Opens fast for me
[07:56] <jgfarnden> ?
[07:56] <somsip_> basil1x: no, sorry. I'm only searching and looking for clues, and finding nothing. Maybe try again later when more peeps are on
[07:56] <jgfarnden> What's the problem with the new version of gcc?
[07:56] <nug700> it takes up to 5 seconds to open firefox. 10 did it in less than a second.
[07:57] <brady> it breaks the serial communications with arduino mega via serial
[07:57] <basil1x> so It's not just me that can't figure this out... I feel better... annoyed, but better
[07:57] <brady> the serial communications do not make it to the serial monitor.
[07:57] <jgfarnden> Hmm
[07:57] <brady> yes.. thats the problem.
[07:58] <jgfarnden> Most of the stuff I've managed to get working from 12.04 is just trial and error
[07:58] <palomita> holaa
[07:58] <farciarz84> hi, public tv in our country streams video in silverlight. I have mono plugin istalled but its out-dated and not support any more. Any chance to see this videos?
[07:58] <MonkeyDust> nug700  try installing preload to launch the programs you use most faster
[07:59] <nug700> hm.
[07:59] <waqpa_sexy> hola
[07:59] <jgfarnden> That's the extent of my knowledge but I'm thinking
[08:01] <nug700> I'm really hoping the x-swat ppa driver for my graphics card.. despite the risk of ppa's, I think it'd be much worth it over the junk provided by ubuntu's "additionalt drivers"
[08:01] <brady> when i install arduino, it installs gcc with it, however, the version that it installs breaks serial communications to my mega, i can't get it to print to the serial monitor, searches suggest that downgrading it works, however, when i remove gcc, and install a lower version, and then install arduino , it just installs the broken newer gcc , and leaves me back at the start.
[08:02] <somsip_> MonkeyDust: I use preload but lately have run everything I use when my WM is started. Will preload give me any benefit still?
[08:02] <brady> i can see a bunch of people out there saying that downgrading gcc works to fix it.. no explination on how to do that.
[08:03] <nug700> also.. the curser for kvirc seems to be trailing further behind the text with every letter I type.
[08:03] <Ramtron> Hey! I've run into a huge problem, I've forgotten my routers password, so i can't connect to the internet. I'm on, through my phone right now. Can someone help me crack my password?
[08:03] <jgfarnden> sudo apt-get install -f whatever the app is
[08:04] <jgfarnden> let me see the synaptics
[08:04] <brontosaurusrex> farciarz84: thats heavily dumb from them, so fix them
[08:04] <llutz_> jgfarnden: apt-get -f = --fix-missing , not force
[08:05] <jgfarnden> xD
[08:05] <Ramtron> Anyone know how to crack wifi passwords through ubuntu?
[08:05] <jgfarnden> my bad
[08:05] <jgfarnden> I meant force thanks
[08:05] <jgfarnden> I'm getting confused really quick and tired
[08:05] <jgfarnden> I came here for an answer and now I'm trying to help lol
[08:06] <Ramtron> Please help D:?
[08:06] <brady> jgfarnden: were you speaking to me when you said sudo apt-get install -f ?
[08:07] <nug700> shouldn't crack wifi passwords.. network security exists for a reason.
[08:07] <somsip_> Ramtron: hopefully you will get no help on that here
[08:07] <Ramtron> It's my own router, and it's easier in linux i hear
[08:07] <somsip_> Ramtron: reset it to factory
[08:07] <nug700> log into the router with wired connection?
[08:07] <domie> then you can hard reset it using the button?
[08:07] <Ramtron> I can't figure it out with this guide. Backtrack doesn't work, and reaver is being weird
[08:07] <jgfarnden> what help?
[08:07] <Ramtron> I can't do wired
[08:08] <nug700> .. why not?
[08:08] <Ramtron> because I don't have an eithernet cord.
[08:08] <Ramtron> whatever it is
[08:08] <nug700> then how are you getting it connected to the internet in the first place?
[08:08] <Ramtron> plus my laptop is dumb
[08:08] <jgfarnden> Brady?
[08:09] <jgfarnden> I found something that might help you
[08:09] <brady>  yes?
[08:09] <jgfarnden> I dunno though
[08:09] <jgfarnden> http://marc.merlins.org/perso/arduino/post_2011-12-12_GCC-AVR-4_5_3-2-Breaks-Arduino-NewSoftSerial.html
[08:09] <somsip_> Ramtron: this isn';t the place to ask about this. Can you take your query elsewhere please
[08:09] <nug700> ^
[08:09] <Ramtron> Where would you like me to take it
[08:09] <nug700> hacking forums, idk.
[08:10] <Ramtron> hacking forums? very helpful
[08:10] <nug700> lots on the union network
[08:10] <somsip_> Ramtron: try #aircrack-ng
[08:10] <llutz_> Ramtron: read the documentation on aircrack-ng.org
[08:10] <Ramtron> So give me an example?
[08:10] <jgfarnden> wireshark
[08:10] <Ramtron> Thanks
[08:10] <nug700> also... google is your friend.
[08:10] <brady> i dont know what to make of that page
[08:10] <jgfarnden> damn nug beat me to it
[08:11] <brady> like i cant deduce what exactly im supposed to do
[08:11] <Ramtron> You think I didn't Google this 12,487,276 times first?
[08:11] <jgfarnden> Find binary
[08:11] <jgfarnden> to the old version
[08:11] <Ramtron> This IRC is definitely not my FIRST resort.
[08:11] <brady> yes i did
[08:11] <brady> thats how the conversation here started
[08:11] <somsip_> Ramtron: i've been polite and helped. Please stop
[08:11] <nug700> anyway.. i have to restart computer.
[08:11] <jgfarnden> oh ya
[08:11] <brady> i found replacement bianaries , albiet, not the same ones this page suggests, but they were .rpm
[08:12] <brady> so i came and asked how to install them
[08:12] <brady> but your kinda missing the point
[08:12] <brady> uninstalling the current one, uninstalls the app, that reinstalls the newer version when  you install it
[08:13] <L3top> brady start over, what are you trying to do?
[08:13] <brady> im trying to downgrade gcc
[08:13] <L3top> what version ubuntu, and why?
[08:14] <brady> the version that comes default with arduino or ubuntu, does not properly communicate with arduino mega via the usb serial
[08:14] <jgfarnden> hmm
[08:14] <brady> a number of people on a number of pages have reported downgrading it makes it work
[08:14] <brady> but when i uninstall gcc, it removes the arduino ide with it
[08:15] <jgfarnden> If there was soo much trouble virtual box - older version of ubuntu - install the extension to virtualbox for usb support.
[08:15] <Jordan_U> brady: It's not gcc that does the programming (AKA flashing) of the device, gcc just makes the image to be programmed.
[08:15] <brady> so i need to reinstall that after i install the older version of gcc, however, installing arduino ide, installs the newer version of gcc, rendering the whole process back to the start.
[08:16] <pirx> i have 2 text files, and i want to figure out which lines in file X do not exist in file Y. any suggestions on commands here? i tried "grep -v -f Y X", but that doesnt work since it treats lines in Y as regexp expressions
[08:16] <brady> yes.. but there is something about the newer gcc's that break the serial communications you program into your arduino sketches, particularly with the arduino mega
[08:16] <L3top> brady pin the version of gcc in /etc/apt/preferences
[08:16] <brady> there are many diffrent pages of people reporting the same problem, and the same fix, downgrading gccc.. however none of them specifically explain the process of downgrading.. just that downgrading works.
[08:17] <ahmad_> pirx use the diff command :)
[08:17] <somsip_> pirx: diff
[08:17] <ahmad_> much simpler
[08:17] <brady> i dont know what that means, or how it would be done.
[08:17] <pirx> hmm, wow, could it be that simple:)
[08:18] <L3top> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[08:18] <L3top> brady: ^
[08:18] <somsip_> pirx: diff X Y, will show you which ones aren't in the other. You could diff X Y | grep <, to just get the ones you want. Or the other way round
[08:18] <somsip_> pirx: clearly that needs some refinement...
[08:19] <brady> are there any gui applications for doing this?
[08:19] <emrit> Hello!
[08:20] <L3top> brady you add 3 short lines to a file called preferences. You don't need a gui for that.
[08:20] <pirx> but i'm unsure about which arguments to use with diff. diff reports anything that is out of order too. its mainly used with source code
[08:20] <pirx> whereas my lines can be in any order at all
[08:20] <brady> yes i know. everyone tells me everything is so simple and they forward me onto a page that doesn't lead to anything working. argghh.
[08:21] <blackshirt> brady, hello
[08:21] <somsip_> pirx: use sort to put them in a similar order first?
[08:21] <MonkeyDust> brady  on the other hand, if you use gcc and arduino, one might expect some technical skills from you
[08:21] <confused> hey all, sorry, but is it okay to ask extremely newbish questions in here or should i take them elsewhere?
[08:22] <Jordan_U> brady: What page are you looking at that says that downgrading gcc solves the problem?
[08:22] <pirx> and diff would report any lines that exist in Y and not in X
[08:22] <Karlo_> pirx: sort file1 >tem1; sort file2 >tem2; comm tem1 tem2
[08:22] <brady> the skill of getting the ide to function as it should at install.. seems much more simple than spending the last three hours getting no where.
[08:22] <L3top> !ask | confused
[08:22] <pirx> i have to do some parsing of diffs output i guess
[08:22] <Karlo_> use comm instead of diff
[08:22] <somsip_> pirx: yes - it depends how complicated and exact you want the output
[08:23] <Karlo_> comm -23 tem1 tem2 # report lines that are in tem1 but not tem2
[08:23] <somsip_> Karlo_: ah - good one
[08:23] <Guest90235> can i create a boot partition before installing ubuntu? even for a single boot?
[08:23] <Jordan_U> brady: Also remember that the important package is gcc-avr, since it's the avr cross compiler that you care about when dealing with Arduino.
[08:24] <brady> jordan_U,  i ran into a series of pages saying that while trying to solve the problem, however ive gone through so much stuff, ive long lost track of it all.
[08:24] <Jordan_U> Guest90235: Yes, but there isn't much point in doing so unless you have a buggy BIOS.
[08:24] <Jordan_U> brady: Could you link to one?
[08:24] <brady> no
[08:24] <brady> i couldn't , i dont recall the search terms though the hours
[08:25] <reed> hello all
[08:26] <L3top> brady: couldnt you look through your browser history pretty easily?
[08:26] <blackshirt> hello reed
[08:26] <Guest90235> Jordan_U , i guess it s only an old bios. i would like to install ubuntu into a pen drive but my motherboard only accept fat16 formatted usb pen drive
[08:27] <Safa_[A_boy]> hello all, I have an image ISO that have (cd cops) protection..... how can I burn it under ubuntu 12.10?
[08:27] <Jordan_U> Guest90235: BIOS based boot firmware doesn't know anything about filesystems, you're almost certainly mistaken about it only supporting fat16.
[08:28] <MonkeyDust> !burn > Safa_[A_boy]
[08:29] <pirx> Karlo_: thanks! comm does the trick it seems!
[08:30] <brady> http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=44617
[08:30] <Guest90235> Jordan_U , when i use a live usb ubuntu using fat16 i can run from it however if i install ubuntu to the same pen drive boot stuck after recognizing cd rom and hard drive devices. what can it be?
[08:32] <brady> there is one of the links, but i ran into a whole bunch of other people having similar problems, on diffrent versions of ubuntu, and not just regarding arduino,  the newer versions break serial communication between the arduino and the serial monitor in the arduino ide
[08:33] <L3top> brady that bug is a dup of http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=45263 and is closed as fixed/resolved.
[08:33] <blueice_cn> :-)
[08:34] <brady> i dont see how to fix it
[08:34] <brady> using the newer version doesnt work
[08:34] <brady> downgradeing, uninstalls arduino
[08:34] <brady> reinstalling arduino, upgrades gcc
[08:35] <Jordan_U> brady: According to that bur report gcc 4.5.4 and 4.6.1 also work, upgrading is probably easier than downgrading.
[08:35] <brady> upgrading leads to the same problem
[08:35] <brady> the newest version does not work.  serial communications do not print to the serial monitor.
[08:36] <lwizardl> I am trying to find some good applications that will sit in the top panel and that will notify me of updates on my accounts (Twiiter, facebook, domain emails, etc). I prefer to have one per account source (ie twiiter) and be able to notify from multiple user accounts (ie 3 twitter accounts). Does anyone here know of some that meet my wants/needs ?
[08:37] <Jordan_U> brady: Why are you sure that this code is also broken in newer versions of gcc, when that bug report states otherwise? Are you sure that it's not a bug in your code? How did you upgrade and to what version?
[08:37] <Porto> hi, please when i start my ubuntu 12.10 the main menu's of pidgin or shell windows doesn't appears anyone can help?
[08:37] <brady> im sure because it does not work, and ive seen a whole number of posts with people saying that downgrading it works
[08:38] <Jordan_U> brady: Downgrading probably does work, and upgrading probably does also.
[08:38] <joosen> hi
[08:38] <brady> however.. no specific instructions to achieve that, because uninstalling gcc, uninstalls arduino ide with it, reinstalling arduno ide, reinstalls gcc with it, but the newer version that does not work..
[08:38] <joosen> please tell me about backup mysql database for me.
[08:39] <somsip_> joosen: you could look at Percona products...
[08:40] <SharkMuttleworth> joosen: Do you need regular backups? If so, write a simple bash script and schedule it to run daily with cron
[08:40] <joosen> I need free product
[08:40] <MonkeyDust> brady  tip: there's also #gcc and #arduino -- i'm not famiiar with either one of them, tho
[08:40] <llutz_> joosen: read "man mysqldump"  (mysqldump -u user -p pass dbname >db-backup.sql)
[08:40] <brady> jordan_u, can you tell me how i can downgrade gcc without removing arduino?
[08:40] <somsip_> joosen: again, look at percona xtrabackup. though I find it more complex than needed
[08:40] <Porto> hi again, anyone can help when i boot my ubuntu 12.10 the main menu of console or pidgin or other apps doesn't appears
[08:41] <SharkMuttleworth> You can write a 10 line bash script to backup all your databases, you don't need a separate product...
[08:41] <itsme1> Hello , I am trying to install Ubuntu 12.10 on my desktop but Ubuntu is not showing all my partitions, it shows my entire Harddisk as single partition?
[08:41] <joosen> mysqldump don't have the problem when the database is very big.
[08:41] <Guest90235> Jordan_U , when i use a live usb ubuntu using fat16 i can run from it however if i install ubuntu to the same pen drive boot stuck after recognizing cd rom and hard drive devices. what can it be?
[08:42] <SharkMuttleworth> joosen: Not sure what you mean, I use mysqldump on databases which are several GBs, though that's not really big I guess
[08:43] <brady> sigh
[08:43] <joosen> ok thank you I will use it.
[08:43] <confused> ooh, thanks L3top.  ... am i allowed to say thanks? X3  Anyway: I'm trying to install Ubuntu over a largely corrupted Windows 7, and it says there's more than one OS installed (unexpected).   dev/sda1  and dev/sda2 are both "Windows 7 (Loader)" and dev/sda3  is Windows Recovery Environment. If i let ubuntu erase all of them, is anything catostrophic liable to happen to this laptop and will it cause any major problems if i later att
[08:43] <MonkeyDust> brady  did you read my tip? better ask in one of those channels
[08:44] <gordonjcp> joosen: an easy-ish way to back up mysql databases if you have a second machine is to just replicate the db and back *that* up
[08:44] <brady> i have asked in arduino
[08:44] <llutz_> gordonjcp: which still needs a tool for tha backup ...
[08:44] <gordonjcp> llutz_: right, but it takes the database locking issues out
[08:45] <brady> arduino usually forwards ubuntu questions to ubuntu. ubuntu people tend to forward arduino questions to arduino.
[08:45] <itsme1> I am trying to install Ubuntu 12.10 on my desktop but Ubuntu is not showing all my partitions, it shows my entire Harddisk as single partition.
[08:45] <gordonjcp> !ask | brady
[08:45] <L3top> confused: If you intend to not have windows...  that will work out fine.
[08:45] <MonkeyDust> brady  makes sense
[08:45] <somsip_> brady: what release of ubuntu and what version of gcc are you running?
[08:45] <brady> im not asking to ask.
[08:45] <gordonjcp> brady: you're also not asking your question
[08:45] <brady> i have restated it over and over
[08:46] <somsip_> gordonjcp: the conversation has been ongoing since earlier
[08:46] <gordonjcp> brady: oh well, that's nice
[08:46] <gordonjcp> unfortunately it's buried in the 2000 lines of scrollback and I'm too lazy to trawl through
[08:46] <brady> wait stop.  start all over and explain it from the begining....
[08:46] <somsip_> brady: what release of ubuntu and what version of gcc are you running?
[08:47] <gordonjcp> brady: now we're getting somewhere
[08:47] <brady> 12.10 is the version of unbuntu
[08:47] <brady> i dont know the version of gcc , whatever is the newest, but ive already come to an understanding that i want to downgrade it
[08:48] <gordonjcp> stop
[08:48] <gordonjcp> you've gone too far ahead
[08:48] <somsip_> brady: gcc --version
[08:48] <Jordan_U> brady: The version of gcc included in Ubuntu 12.10 does not have the bug that you linked to.
[08:48] <gordonjcp> why do you want to break your install beyond repair?
[08:48] <Jordan_U> brady: I assumed that you were using Ubuntu 12.04, which does have a version of avr-gcc with this bug.
[08:49] <brady> as i had stated before, there are a variety of instances in which people have reported that downgrading it , fixes serial communications.
[08:49] <somsip_> brady: gcc --version
[08:49] <brady> i dont know
[08:49] <brady> whatever comes with gcc
[08:49] <brady> i mean, with 12.04
[08:49] <somsip_> brady: type that in a terminal and post the result.
[08:49] <somsip_> brady: what - so is it 12.04 or 12.10?
[08:49] <brady> sorry i forget that it upgraded
[08:50] <somsip_> brady: what release of ubuntu and what version of gcc are you running?
[08:50] <MonkeyDust> brady  in a terminal, type lsb_release -sd;gcc --version and post the result here
[08:50] <L3top> brady: lsb_release -sc; gcc --version
[08:50] <Karlo_> brady, type the command    gcc --version   and tell us what it says.
[08:50] <L3top> lol
[08:51] <brady> yes.. i started by doing this at the start of the night. its the most current version, why do you want to know?
[08:51] <L3top> omg...
[08:51] <somsip_> brady: because it matters
[08:51] <L3top> brady if you want help, do what we ask so we can.
[08:51] <joosen> how to restore the sql that get from mysqldump
[08:51] <joosen> ?
[08:51] <MonkeyDust> brady  execute the commands, don't describe the result, please
[08:51] <itsme1> I am trying to install Ubuntu 12.10 on my desktop but Ubuntu is not showing all my partitions, it shows my entire Harddisk as single partition, All my partitions are intact and showing up correctly  in Ubuntu 11.04, its just the Ubuntu 12.10 installation that has the issue
[08:52] <llutz_> joosen: read "man mysqldump"  mysqldump  <db-backup.sql
[08:52] <Steve^> Hi, my unity/compiz has lost 3D mode, and when I run compiz --replace, it segmentation faults. What can I do to reset it?
[08:52] <Hatori> joosen import
[08:52] <L3top> are you sure you are looking at the right drive itsme1? Sure it isnt a thumbdrive or something?
[08:52] <Safa_[A_boy]> how to burn an MDF image?
[08:52] <confused> But if i were to remove Ubuntu and reinstall Windows 7 for some horrible reason, would i definitely be able to do so without extra problems caused by the Ubuntu installation weird secondary Win7 partition erasure i'm about to cause?
[08:52] <joosen> import with phpmyadmin or not
[08:52] <brady> The program 'gcc' can be found in the following packages:
[08:52] <brady>  * gcc
[08:52] <brady>  * pentium-builder
[08:52] <brady> Try: sudo apt-get install <selected package>
[08:52] <brady> ludwig@PHANTOM:~$ gcc --version
[08:52] <brady> The program 'gcc' can be found in the following packages:
[08:52] <brady>  * gcc
[08:52] <FloodBot1> brady: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:52] <Jordan_U> brady: Please pastebin the output of "avr-gcc --version" and post the first line (or pastebin the full output, whichever you prefer).
[08:53] <Jordan_U> !pastebin | brady
[08:53] <brady> it appears its not installed , ive uninstalled/reinstalled it multiple times
[08:53]  * somsip_ coughs
[08:53] <Jordan_U> brady: The important command is "avr-gcc --version" as it's avr-gcc that you need for Arduino development.
[08:54] <brady> 4.7.0... the newest version i believe.
[08:54] <itsme1> L3top: yes, I am . I have selected my Harddisk in the list of devices ,Infact I have only 1 harddisk, so the installation wizard just shows me one device in the list
[08:55] <Jordan_U> brady: Great, then you're using a version which is not affected by the bug that you linked to. Try asking in #arduino, mention the exact version of avr-gcc that you're using, and see what they recommend doing.
[08:55] <brady> as i had said..
[08:56] <brady> i had found muliple pages suggesting that newest versions break the serial communication
[08:56] <brady> i wasn't particular to any one bug
[08:56] <L3top> they were probably old posts on previous versions before the bug was fixed...
[08:56] <brady> my question was how can i downgrade without uninstalling arduino
[08:57] <L3top> you still haven't even told us what the output of lsb_release -sc is.
[08:57] <Jordan_U> brady: The newest version of gcc is 4.7.2, you just have the newest version of avr-gcc that is available in the Ubuntu 12.10 repositories.
[08:57] <brady> the bug is not fixed.. i am experiencing it.. serial communications do not work on the newer versions and i just want instructions on how i can downgrade it without uninstalling arduino ide , cause reinstalling arduino ide just upgrades it back to the start.
[08:57] <L3top> brady: package dependencies typically exist for a reason, especially version specific ones.
[08:58] <SharkMuttleworth> brady: There are parameters in aptitude/synaptic which let you ignore dependencies when downgrading etc., so the normal chain of removals doesn't take place
[08:58] <SharkMuttleworth> brady: Can't remember them off the top of my head
[08:58] <brady> thankyou.. that might help.
[08:58] <Flynsarmy> I did a ubuntu minimum install then ran a script which messed with some grub settings. i now get a black screen on boot. how do i debug grub issues? straight after the mobo logo the screen goes black. is there an easy way to debug grub issues?
[08:58] <itsme1> L3top:  if my previous statement was confusing. here is the rephrase of it "yes I am sure, I am looking at the correct drive"
[08:58] <Flynsarmy> i can ssh into the box and modify files
[08:59] <L3top> itsme1: what is the output of sudo fdisk -l
[08:59] <gordonjcp> brady: serial communications with the arduino aren't down to gcc
[08:59] <L3top> itsme1: in a pastebin please
[08:59] <Mechdave> Flynsarmy, try passing the noacpi option to the kernel
[08:59] <gordonjcp> brady: gcc knows nothing about serial ports
[08:59] <Karlo_> brady, can you install both old and new gcc, with separate names?
[08:59] <gordonjcp> brady: also the arduino IDE sucks
[08:59] <brady> its not the serial communications themselves..
[09:00] <gordonjcp> brady: okay, I've been trying to follow this but frankly you're all over the map
[09:00] <gordonjcp> brady: what *specifically* isn't working?
[09:00] <gordonjcp> brady: don't tell me your opinion of what the problem is, tell me what the symptoms are and what produces them
[09:00] <itsme1> L3top:  http://pastebin.com/9uBntJ9s
[09:00] <brady> gordon, its just because i am being resistant to being led in conversational circles
[09:01] <itsme1> L3top: The output was from my Ubuntu 11.04
[09:01] <L3top> itsme1: not to reiterate... but you are POSITIVE you are not looking at sdb?
[09:02] <Jordan_U> gordonjcp: The bug that brady linked to, http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=45263 refers to a bug which causes code dealing with serial communication to fail on certain devices (this is not about programming of the chip, as I first thought when I saw serial mentioned). That bug however has been fixed in the version of avr-gcc that brady is using (according to the bug report) but brady still thinks that they need to use an ...
[09:02] <Jordan_U> ... older version of gcc to get their serial communication code to work.
[09:02] <itsme1> L3top: Yes, I am.
[09:02] <brady> jordan
[09:02] <brady> i linked to that because someone insisted that i make a specific reference to a bug or page
[09:02] <brady> but i didnt have that handy
[09:02] <Safa_[A_boy]> how to burn an MDF image?
[09:02] <brady> so thats what i pulled up in a quick search, it is not nessarly my specific but
[09:03] <itsme1> L3top: I have installed Ubuntu plenty of times , on my comp and my friends comp. I have selected the correct device
[09:03] <Jordan_U> itsme1: Please pastebin the output of "sudo parted -l".
[09:03] <gordonjcp> brady: and that's the specific bug you're seeing?
[09:03] <L3top> itsme1: this should be done from the install disk I expect.
[09:04] <brady> bug, i simply sent it because someone insisted i give pages for the multiple pages where i had seen people saying that downgrading gcc fixes their problems with printing to serial with the arduino mega, that having read dozens of a pages, i saw a theme that downgrading gcc is supposed to fix the problem.
[09:04] <somsip_> brady: what is the end result you're getting - I know you said serial communication is not getting through, but how do you observet his?
[09:04] <brady> NO
[09:04] <brady> its not the specific bug
[09:04] <Jordan_U> itsme1: Note that I really do want the output from parted rather than fdisk, as both parted and Ubuntu's installer use libparted.
[09:05] <Flynsarmy> Mechdave just tried, it's not an acpi issue
[09:05] <brady> i dont have anything specific to give because ive been working for hours and have scanned many pages on the topic.. i don't have a specific link to give you. What i know, is that i want to try downgrading gcc , but not uninstall arduino in the process, as having to reinstall it renders the whole process a loop.
[09:05] <itsme1> Jordan_U: http://pastebin.com/eh4FgPEE       ---->  This output is from my Ubuntu 11.04
[09:06] <somsip_> brady: how do you know serial communication is not getting through?
[09:06] <Jordan_U> itsme1: OK, your partition table is invalid, it has at least one partition designated as ending beyond the end of the disk.
[09:06] <brady> i upload a sketch that prints to serial, and it does not arrive to the serial monitor
[09:07] <k> ?
[09:07] <brady> it does not do this for my own sketches, nor the premade, sure to work sketches.
[09:07] <somsip_> brady: in your arduino ide, is Tools|Serial Port greyed out?
[09:07] <brady> having searched around, many people were reporting that downgrading gcc fixed the issue, however none gave specifics on how to accomplish that
[09:07] <brady> no it is not
[09:08] <brady> it is not greyed out, it uploads sketches
[09:08] <itsme1> Jordan_U: Oh, how do I sort this out. At the moment I have ubuntu 11.04 and Windows 7 . I wanted to wipe out 11.04 and install 12.10
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> is there a network messenger for terminal, so one pc can chitchat with other pc?
[09:08] <Jordan_U> itsme1: You should be able to use a tool called "fixparts" to fix your partition table.
[09:09] <L3top> brady: apt-get --nodeps install <package> or dpkg -i --ignore-depends=<depend>, <depend> </path/to/whatever.deb>  is the answer to your question I believe.
[09:10] <brady> do i literally put that in the terminal?
[09:10] <L3top> no
[09:10] <somsip_> brady: just want to ask - do you want to downgrade gcc, or avr-gcc?
[09:10] <brady> i am uncertain, i would like to try both.
[09:11] <itsme1> Jordan_U: should I take a backup of my entire Internal harddisk for this operation. Is their a possibility that I might lose any data?
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> !info ytalk > lotuspsychje
[09:12] <somsip_> brady: everything I read points to avr-gcc, not gcc.
[09:12] <L3top> itsme1: a backup is never bad advice... and while mucking with partition table always carries some risk, I would not expect calamity.
[09:12] <cyphase> has anyone ever experienced nautilus forgetting the file sort order in your home directory?
[09:12] <Jordan_U> itsme1: If you look at the fdisk output, you'll see that your disk has 38913 cylinders total but the partition table says that sda8 ends at cylinder number 38914, which doesn't exist. (though cylinders are a poor unit, I would recommend "sudo fdisk -lu" in the future, but it's good enough for this purpose).
[09:12] <brady> L3top, so you mean i do something like  sudo apt-get --nodeps install gcc-4.3
[09:13] <L3top> yes brady.
[09:13] <L3top> well
[09:13] <L3top> brady: this was more for the ardunio IDE which tries to drag with it a different version of gcc
[09:14] <L3top> brady: sorry for the confusion... you should just install the version of gcc you want, and then install the IDE with the --nodeps flag
[09:14] <Jordan_U> itsme1: You should always have backups of important data, and there is always risk of data loss. That said, fixparts is a very dependable program, and problems with the partition table are generally easy to fix even when things go wrong (as they already have gone wrong in your case) as long as you know how (that said, not many people know how...).
[09:14] <brady> --nodeps is not understood
[09:15] <L3top> okey doke... then you will have to download the package for the IDE and use the dpkg -i --ignore-depends
[09:16] <Guest92875> HI
[09:16] <L3top> and you have to label out the specific packages you want to ignore brady
[09:16] <tohvan> quick OpenVPn question anyone?
[09:17] <brady> and this leaves me having no clue what actually to type.   Jesus i wish i could just install an application and have it work.
[09:17] <tohvan> setup a routed tunnel with OpenVPN via TUN, how to now access client from server? Ping is only happening one way.
[09:17] <itsme1> I will take a backup of my data onto an external Harddisk and try to fix my partitions . Thank you for suggestions  L3top and Jordan_U .
[09:17] <lcabreza1> hi, need help in upgrading pidgin-sipe 1.13, having errors on ubuntu 12.04 using 2.10.3 pidgin version
[09:17] <L3top> brady to figure out which ones you want to ignore look at apt-cache depends <package> or rdepends... maybe... I haven't tried to break my system this way in a very long time.
[09:17] <Jordan_U> itsme1: You're welcome.
[09:19] <L3top> brady... where are you getting gcc-4.3 from?
[09:19] <_cronus_> brady, could you pastebin the sketch that doesn't work to try it out here? (uno)
[09:19] <brady> the prebuilt serial print one in arduino
[09:20] <brady> and the problem, is specific to arduino mega
[09:20] <L3top> brady: please give me the output of lsb_release -sc
[09:20] <brady> quantal
[09:20] <brady> 12.10
[09:21] <L3top> apt-cache policy gcc-4.3 | grep -i candidate
[09:21] <L3top> brady: ^
[09:21] <joosen> mysqldump don't have the limit for export or not?
[09:21] <somsip_> joosen: no limit
[09:21] <brady>  Candidate: (none)
[09:21] <L3top> How are you trying to install 4.3 exactly?
[09:22] <brady> ive tried a number of ways
[09:22] <L3top> Well there is no package in the repos...
[09:22] <L3top> how EXACTLY are you trying to install it.
[09:22] <joosen> how can use mysqldump with create the database?
[09:22] <brady> sudo apt-get install gcc-4.3?
[09:23] <joosen> Now, when I export it have only detail of database.
[09:23] <L3top> you have no install candidate
[09:23] <somsip_> joosen: mysql -u user -p password < dumpfile.sql
[09:23] <brady> i cant say exactly all the ways ive tried, cause ive cut and pasted things, followed amplitude instructions, i cant memorize everything i try
[09:23] <L3top> brady: that is what that command just looked at... it cannot install that way because it does not exist.
[09:24] <L3top> in 1204 the earliest you can get is 4.4
[09:24] <brady> i had times when i downloaded things.. tried to run them
[09:24] <MonkeyDust> !info gcc
[09:24] <L3top> !info gcc-4.4
[09:25] <L3top> yeah... 4.4 is the earliest you can get in quantal.
[09:26] <brady> i was simply trying to move down, 4.4, 4.3, just to successfully move down and check
[09:26] <pgdac> brady:  Did you find the way to downgrade gcc version? If yes please share with me. I want to knopw how to do  it
[09:27] <brady> no
[09:27] <pgdac> brady:  ok
[09:27] <brady> ive been told magical gibberish but i cant read it
[09:27] <L3top> brady: apt-cache policy gcc-4.4 in a pastebin please.
[09:29] <brady> http://pastebin.com/0BVtm65M
[09:29] <_cronus_> brady, have you tried to download the ide from arduino site? I think it has a version of gcc with it
[09:30] <MonkeyDust> brady  that's an i386 package, is your pc 32bit or 64bit ?
[09:30] <brady> i have 32bit ubuntu installed
[09:30] <Tex_Nick> 12.10 - how can i kill firefox from terminal ... it's disappeared from desktop
[09:30] <somsip_> Tex_Nick: killall firefox
[09:31] <vishnu__> vishnu
[09:31] <brady> i believe the i386 got installed when trying to manually download a replacement
[09:33] <Tex_Nick> somsi : terminal says - (firefox: no process found) yet when i try to start it i get (Firefox is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Firefox process, or restart your system.)
[09:33] <L3top> Tex_Nick: pkill firefox    probably...
[09:34] <pgdac> Tex_Nick:  Just kill the PPID
[09:35] <somsip_> Tex_Nick: pkill -x firefox maybe
[09:35] <babajew> Hello. Даров посоны.
[09:35] <L3top> !ru
[09:36] <pgdac> Tex_Nick:  find ppid using ps -al  and kill it
[09:36] <Karlo_> Returning to my original problem.  When I boot I get "The disk drive for / is not ready yet or not present", and from there, M takes me to maintenance mode, aka runlevel 1.  The disk is read-only at this time, but I can remount it read-write.  I saw a claim that a bad apt-get database could cause this -- is that true?
[09:36] <llutz_> somsip_: firefox-bin is the processname iirc, so pkill -x will fail as killall firefox does
[09:37] <somsip_> llutz_: ah - my bad assumption. thanks
[09:37] <L3top> pgrep firefox or pidof firefox would be easier... or just pkill firefox...
[09:37] <llutz_> L3top: true
[09:37] <gordonjcp> brady: yeah, don't confuse gcc with avr-gcc ;-)
[09:38] <L3top> !info avr-gcc
[09:38] <L3top> what is this avr-gcc anyway?
[09:38] <llutz_> !info gcc-avr
[09:38] <brady> so ahhh.. how is that solved?
[09:38] <Karlo_> I tried to fix things with   apt-get -f -s install   (still in single-user mode), see http://pastebin.com/w192qDtw for the results.
[09:38] <L3top> ahh ty
[09:40] <LinuxNewbieX> Hello.  I hope this question hasn't been already asked 100 times. I searched online but couldn't find a solution:  I've been trying one of the 12.10 betas, and now that it;s out of beta, I get errors and it won't let me upgrade.  Does anyone know of a website or resource that can help me manually update my release to full?  Thank you.
[09:40] <L3top> Karlo_: chances are you have a PPA or two installed which have created a dependency impossibility.
[09:40] <Karlo_> L3top: How can I fix it, with no network?
[09:40] <L3top> what errors LinuxNewbieX
[09:41] <LinuxNewbieX> running the distro upgrade now, and I'll tell you in a sec.  :)
[09:42] <L3top> Karlo_: how are you planning to upgrade without network? I mean... what you are doing is apt-getting... that requires network or a local repository...
[09:42] <Wipster> hi all, I am trying to debug my UPS using ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS Sever. I think I have it boiled down to udev not setting the group of the USB device, I have tested the rule and it says it should however it doesn't. If I set the group manually the driver loads. Here is a log or relevant information: http://pastebin.com/Ec0kZJAk
[09:42] <tobias__> Hi
[09:42] <LinuxNewbieX> "Could not calculate the upgrade
[09:42] <LinuxNewbieX> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[09:42] <LinuxNewbieX> E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[09:42] <LinuxNewbieX>  This can be caused by:
[09:42] <LinuxNewbieX>  * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[09:42] <FloodBot1> LinuxNewbieX: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:42] <LinuxNewbieX>  * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu
[09:43] <tobias__> Hey i have been trying to set up rythembox to use with my iphone and my songs now just jump around back and forth.. has anyone experienced this?
[09:43] <Karlo_> L3top, I can't get to multi-user mode because of the claimed problems
[09:44] <L3top> ok Karlo_ for starters... lets mv the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list.d to someplace safe, because we will need to eventually return them
[09:45] <LinuxNewbieX> I've tried using all the beta 12.10, and submitting a ton of bug reports.
[09:45] <tobias__> what do u guys use to put music on your iphones??????????
[09:45] <L3top> Karlo_: then lets run an apt-get update...
[09:45] <LinuxNewbieX> tobias: NortonAAC encoder.
[09:46] <Mechdave> tobias__, I use rhythmbox to stick music on to my SGS 2
[09:46] <tobias__> thanks linux, im going to try and find that r now
[09:46] <tobias__> sgs 2?
[09:46] <Tex_Nick> these four won't kill firefox ... killall firefox ...pkill firefox ...pkill -x firefox
[09:46] <Mechdave> tobias__, I use FLAC format
[09:47] <L3top> Karlo_: its just going to error out... that wont work... I am not really sure Karlo_... I think in this case I would boot a live disk, bind/mount a bunch of stuff and chroot in to try and fix that.
[09:47] <tobias__> i just tried using rythm box... but i coudlnt get it to work and now its messed up my iphone.
[09:47] <Tex_Nick> using  ps -al looks like ppid might be 7848
[09:47] <LinuxNewbieX> FLAC on a mobile phone is an expensive use of space, lol.
[09:47] <Mechdave> Tex_Nick, what account were you running firefox under? If it was root then your user won't kill the program
[09:47] <Tex_Nick> kill 7848 won't kill firefox
[09:48] <tobias__> where do u find NortonAAC encoder?
[09:48] <llutz_> Tex_Nick: stop being nice: "pkill -9 firefox" :)
[09:48] <LinuxNewbieX> I use musepack for lossless.
[09:48] <MonkeyDust> Mechdave  FLAC is the equivalent of WAV, the 'largest' format, because it is lossless
[09:48] <Tex_Nick> pkill -9 firefox
[09:48] <tobias__> i dont find it in software center
[09:48] <Mechdave> Tex_Nick, Or you could sudo kill firefox
[09:48] <Mechdave> MonkeyDust, Is it the same as wav?
[09:49] <llutz_> you don't use sudo to kill your own processes
[09:49] <Tex_Nick> whoops ... wrong terminal   lol
[09:49] <Karlo_> 9
[09:49] <LinuxNewbieX> tobias_:google is the best place to start.  Just type in "NortonAAC Linux" or you can find the Windows version and use Wine.
[09:49] <MonkeyDust> Mechdave  it's similar, FLAC can be flagged, WAV cannot
[09:50] <tobias__> doesnt come up on google either
[09:50] <Tr0niX> Hi guys!
[09:50] <tobias__> hi tron
[09:51] <Tr0niX> How to install X to use VNC? I already installed gnome so :-)
[09:51] <jrib> Tr0niX: if you installed gnome, you should have X
[09:51] <LinuxNewbieX> Musepack is the best for lossless IMO.  It has the highest compression, and a lossy/lossless hybrid mode, and it's widely supported.
[09:51] <Tr0niX> jrib: Ah ok, prob need a restart then? Because i have a blank desktop with nothing when i start vnc xD
[09:52] <tobias__> itunes wouldnt run threw wine or playonlinux either
[09:52] <jrib> Tr0niX: should not need a restart
[09:52] <Tr0niX> jrib: hum, ok.
[09:52] <tobias__> and the only itunes i can find on playonlinux is a 32bit and im 64
[09:52] <iceroot> !ipod | tobias__
[09:53] <LinuxNewbieX> Oh shit, I'm such an idiot.  It's not nortonAAC, it's NeroAAC.  I've been working with some old norton software today.
[09:53] <LinuxNewbieX> So NeroAAC, not bloody Norton.
[09:53] <Tex_Nick> OK I give up ... the damn fox just won't die ... I bet reboot will kill the dog ... lol
[09:53] <tobias__> thanks ubottu
[09:53] <iceroot> tobias__: 32bit will always run also on 64bit systems
[09:53] <tobias__> iceroot it didnt on mine.
[09:53] <tobias__> gave some errors
[09:53] <tobias__> and came out all weird looking
[09:53] <iceroot> tobias__: because its itunes
[09:53] <tobias__> and then shut down
[09:53] <Tex_Nick> Hey thanks to all for the help though ^5
[09:54] <tobias__> ?
[09:54] <iceroot> tobias__: its bad software and a big jail. its not working with wine
[09:54] <tobias__> oh
[09:54] <tobias__> so gay
[09:54] <tobias__> why dont they support us?
[09:54] <LinuxNewbieX> http://www.nero.com/eng/downloads-nerodigital-nero-aac-codec.php
[09:54] <iceroot> tobias__: the better question is why you support apple software which is just a big jail and stelling ALL the freedom from a user
[09:55] <Azzle-Dazzle> does anyone here use Noise ? the music player ? If so, How can I batch add songs to a playlist ? its only letting me do 1 song at a time
[09:55] <iceroot> tobias__:
[09:55] <tobias__> im steve jobs god son.
[09:56] <Azzle-Dazzle> Steve Jobs's god son ? Using ubuntu ? and on a Ubuntu IRC channel ? hahaha talk about betrayal lol
[09:56] <diabolique> Hi. I had a problem with my ubuntu. The videos that i get from youtube or even the flash player files from moodle run at a super fast speed [in chrome, chromium and firefox]. Any way to slow them down to normal speeds?
[09:57] <diabolique> Hi. I had a problem with my ubuntu. The videos that i get from youtube run at a super fast speed [in chrome, chromium and firefox]. Any way to slow them down to normal speeds?
[09:57] <tobias__> thanks obutu im dling banshee r now
[09:58] <tobias__> to see if it works
[09:58] <iceroot> tobias__: ask apple why they dont support GNU/Linux. its not our fault that you cant use your istuff as you want. apple stauff is a jail, you have to life with that
[09:58] <diabolique> Hi guys. I had a problem with my ubuntu. The videos that i get from youtube run at a super fast speed [in chrome, chromium and firefox]. Any way to slow them down to normal speeds?
[09:58] <llutz_> !patience | diabolique
[09:58] <tobias__> i understand iceroot
[09:58] <MonkeyDust> !repeat| diabolique
[09:58] <MonkeyDust> llutz_  was faster
[09:59] <arie> sore all
[09:59] <tobias__> what kind of phone do u use?
[10:00] <LinuxNewbieX> I just flat out hate apple and everything about it.
[10:01] <wdc101> Hi GUys - my pc died whilst i was doing a dist upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10, now when it boots it gets to checking battery state[ok] then it freezes, any ideas what I can try?
[10:01] <jrib> wdc101: see if you can get to recovery mode (option in grub menu)
[10:01] <wdc101> which mode within that?
[10:02] <Azzle-Dazzle> is there a channel for Noise music player ?
[10:02] <wdc101> resume, clean, dkpg, failsafex, fsck, grub, network, root, system-summary
[10:03] <detoxica89> I am trying to install ubuntu on an Acer Aspire One netbook, but I can't boot the live CD/USB. Booting stops at SYSLINUX 4.06 EDD...... I have tried several different ubuntu-based distros, none of them works, except 10.04LTS, but that's not what I'm looking for. I tried using a USB stick, a USB hard drive and USB DVD drive, but all of them are stuck at this screen. Any ideas? Thanks!
[10:04] <diabolique> detoxica89 : recheck if ur installing the correct (32-bit/64-bit) version of ubuntu
[10:05] <tobias__> ok im trying to use banshee to delete all my iphone songs
[10:05] <tobias__> and  reput them on there.
[10:05] <Karlo_> Damn it, this is the 21st century.  Aren't we supposed to have robots that drive our flying cars for us?  Why is it still so hard just to get a machine to START!?
[10:06] <arie> hello all
[10:06] <LinuxNewbieX> Both apple software AND hardware.
[10:06] <brady> the singularity is near, but hopelessly delayed by human inability.
[10:06] <LinuxNewbieX> stealing all the freedom from a user.
[10:07] <wdc101> jrib:  which recovery mode?
[10:07] <ksinkar> when I am try to pull my git repo, the terminal is asking for my password again and again. The gnome KEY handler does not seem to be working? How can I enable that again?
[10:07] <jrib> wdc101: option in the grub menu
[10:07] <tobias__> so what phone do u use linux?
[10:08] <Flynsarmy> in 12.10 how can i automatially mount all removable media (drives, usbs etc) from the terminal in the same way a standard 12.10 install does?
[10:08] <brady> thats why i think about when people tout the technological singularity, it just seems to ignore that people are disorganized and can't get their shit together.
[10:08] <wdc101> jrib:  yeah but once ive done that :  resume, clean, dkpg, failsafex, fsck, grub, network, root, system-summary
[10:09] <jrib> wdc101: root shell
[10:09] <Karlo_> But someday, the smart machines will get our shit together for us.
[10:10] <wdc101> ok i mthere
[10:10] <wdc101> whats next!
[10:11] <jrib> wdc101: start with: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[10:11] <wdc101> says its a read only file system and cannot do it
[10:11] <jrib> wdc101: remount it as rw
[10:11] <wdc101> hmm lol
[10:11] <wdc101> oklet me go find out ho
[10:11] <wdc101> *how
[10:12] <jrib> wdc101: mount -o remount,rw /
[10:12] <wdc101> sweet
[10:12] <wdc101> its doing stuff!
[10:13] <Karlo_> Yesterday, my keyboard went bad -- with no warning, the five keys P];'/ stopped working.  I assume this is a failure in the circuitry under those keys.
[10:15] <wdc101> thanks jrib , its busy apparantly completing the rest of the upgrade
[10:15] <Azzle-Dazzle> how can i change ownership of 'Home /.config /Clementine ?? ive tried all sorts -_-
[10:16] <gaetano_> hello everyone
[10:16] <jrib> wdc101: after you may want to do the do-release-upgrade again to see if it tries to continue (it might not). In that case, you want to just do « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade »and cross your fingers.  Did you get a chance to check the output of « lsb_release -c » and the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:17] <Karlo_> I probably have a spare keyboard in my stockpile, but not easily reachable.  So my short-term solution was to copy/paste those symbols as needed, from existing text.  And my medium-term solution was to rebind keys on the numeric keypad to send what the busted keys used to send.  (And I've also pried off the keycaps and moved them there.)  I thought you folks might be amused by that hack.
[10:18] <somsip_> Azzle-Dazzle: change to what?
[10:18] <detoxica89> OK, I have checked and I'm using the correct one. i386 and the cpu is 32bit
[10:19] <Karlo_> With a little practice, I might even be able to speed type on this arrangement again.  (I'm using it right now, to type here.)
[10:19] <Azzle-Dazzle> ive done it sompsip_ I was trying to change it from root to me, so I could delete it :)
[10:19] <gaetano_> when i go into ubuntu software center and other pages, i visualize white letters on light green background..so i cant almost read whats on the page...who knows how to get it readable??
[10:19] <jrib> Karlo_: invest in a good keyboard ;)
[10:20] <Karlo_> jrib: that's the long-term solution, of course.  :-)
[10:20] <jrib> gaetano_: interesting bug.  I haven't seen it before.  You might want to mention your ubuntu version.  Check http://bugs.ubuntu.com for something similar
[10:21] <Tex_Nick> Karlo_ that's the definition of a kludge ... lol ;-) Ya might try Onboard ... that's fun too
[10:21] <gaetano_> i got ubuntustudio 12.10
[10:21] <gaetano_> jrib: i got ubuntustudio 12.10
[10:23] <gaetano_> jrib: what colours do u see on ubuntu software center!? about letters and background
[10:24] <jrib> gaetano_: I don't use software center
[10:24] <gaetano_> jrib: programs there are not good?
[10:24] <Lantizia> Can anyone with a Samsung MFP (with network) tell me if they see port 9400 open?  (I wanna check the non-wireless models can do network TWAIN which SANE supports)
[10:25] <gaetano_> jrib: ps. im new with ubuntu...
[10:25] <jrib> gaetano_: they are.  I just prefer using the terminal.  There's nothing wrong with software center
[10:25] <arie> help me all
[10:25] <jrib> gaetano_: did you install some themes maybe?  Does it happen with any other program?
[10:25] <jrib> !ask | arie
[10:25] <sihroje> hayırlı bayramlar
[10:25] <sihroje> :Dd:d
[10:28] <gaetano_> jrib: i previously tried to install 3d graphic tweaks but they didnt work,  in fact i cant even run 3d programs...but aside that, didnt install any theme
[10:28] <jrib> gaetano_: k, well I don't know about your issue.  Check http://bugs.ubuntu.com for something similar while you wait for someone else to come along that can help you
[10:30] <gaetano_> jrib: ok! thank u very much for the advice...its a very strange bug though isn it?
[10:31] <neooo> I installed Ubuntu alongside arch
[10:31] <neooo> How do I boot to arch now
[10:31] <neooo> the grub menu does not show up
[10:31] <neooo> it directly boot s to Ubuntu
[10:31] <jrib> gaetano_: yes...  Though there was some nvidia-related bug where everyone showed up blue (like smurfs).  That one is pretty weird too :P
[10:31] <ThinkT510> neooo: sudo update-grub
[10:31] <xsl> hello all, people tell me to have multiple ip on eth0 that eth0:0 is deprecated and i should use ip addr add ( but do i use /etc/network/interfaces then ?)
[10:32] <xsl> *how do i use
[10:32] <Lil> Hi. I am having a problem. I installed xrdp so I could use a remote desktop. However, when I connect.. I can only see the background and desktop icons. It's like unity launcher and the top bar don't load. I am using 12.10 and connecting from a win7 machine. Please help..
[10:32] <neooo> ThinkT510 : so now arch option will show up in grub menu?
[10:33] <ThinkT510> neooo: it should already have been there
[10:33] <ThinkT510> neooo: if arch was installed before ubuntu
[10:33] <DemonWitch> tricky question: i run a livecd and starts using nouveau, i want to download and make it use nvidia driver without rebooting, just restaring x. What would be the correct procedure to do this?
[10:34] <wdc101> jrib: ok it got to a stage where it says errors encountered while processing : ubuntu-release-upgrader-gtk, qt, update manager core, update notifier, update manager kde, muon notifier, kubuntu notification helper update manager, any ideas?
[10:34] <neooo> ThinkT510 : the thing is, grub menu does not show up at all
[10:34] <neooo> Ubuntu starts directly
[10:34] <ThinkT510> neooo: hold shift at boot
[10:34] <neooo> k
[10:34] <neooo> brb
[10:34] <neooo> thanks
[10:34] <gaetano_> jrib: could be possible that theres something uncompatible with my graphic card and ubuntustudio??
[10:34] <xsl> hello all, people tell me to have multiple ip on eth0 that eth0:0 is deprecated and i should use ip addr add ( but how do i use /etc/network/interfaces then ?)
[10:35] <iceroot> xsl: i never heard eth0:0 is not used anymore
[10:35] <sihroje> sex
[10:35] <iceroot> xsl: putting eth0:x is fine in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:36] <jrib> gaetano_: I have no idea to be honest
[10:36] <johnsnow> How has 12.10 been
[10:36] <xsl> iceroot, In order to use the additional addresses on the server (no virtualization) the package "iproute" and service program "ip" are needed. Configuration with alias interfaces (such as eth0:1, eth0:2 etc.) are outdated and should no longer be used.
[10:36] <Lil> xsl; My machine has multiple IP's, and its using eth0:0
[10:36] <wdc101> jrib: Any ideas if thats important?
[10:36] <sbarcteam> hi. I have nvidia based system, and for some reason my X broke.
[10:36] <MonkeyDust> gaetano_  there's also #ubuntustusi
[10:36] <jrib> gaetano_: maybe create a new user and see if it happens there.  If what's important?
[10:36] <MonkeyDust> gaetano_  there's also #ubuntustudio
[10:36] <Lil> johnsnow; buggy.. lol
[10:36] <xsl> im reading this on my servers ISP provider
[10:36] <wdc101>  jrib: ok it got to a stage where it says errors encountered while processing : ubuntu-release-upgrader-gtk, qt, update manager core, update notifier, update manager kde, muon notifier, kubuntu notification helper update manager, any ideas?
[10:36] <iceroot> xsl: hm ok, never heard of that
[10:36] <xsl> Lil, iceroot, so ... adding alias will be ok ?
[10:37] <jrib> wdc101: what got there? dpkg --configure -a?  Or something else?
[10:37] <Mechdave> xsl, have a look here --> http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Multiple_IP_addresses_on_One_Interface
[10:37] <xsl> i posted this question on ubuntu-server but no success
[10:37] <nannes> $ sudo mount /dev/sdf1 ~/tmp/ -o dev,suid,exec
[10:37] <nannes> $ mount | grep sdf
[10:37] <nannes>       /dev/sdf1 on /home/guakkione/tmp type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096)
[10:37] <nannes> Can anyoone explain me this? ^^
[10:37] <wdc101> yeah dpkg
[10:37] <FloodBot1> nannes: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:37] <sbarcteam> Is there a way to run some kind of configuration utility so X Server configuration is done in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:37] <sbarcteam> ?
[10:37] <DemonWitch> tricky question: i run a livecd and starts using nouveau, i want to download and make it use nvidia driver without rebooting, just restaring x. What would be the correct procedure to do this?
[10:37] <wdc101> jrib: yeah --configure -a
[10:37] <Lil> xsl; My machine uses them, so I can't imagine why it wouldn't..
[10:37] <sbarcteam> I am on 12.04 (LTS) desktop
[10:37] <iceroot> sbarcteam: x is always using xorg.conf if the file exist
[10:38] <sbarcteam> it does not exist now.
[10:38] <iceroot> sbarcteam: everything which is not set in that file is coming dynamicly from udev
[10:38] <iceroot> sbarcteam: then create the file
[10:38] <sbarcteam> empty ?
[10:38] <iceroot> sbarcteam: create the file and put in the config you want. x will then use that
[10:38] <sbarcteam> iceroot: I have no idea what config I want.
[10:38] <xsl> ty all for your help .. i will use alias
[10:39] <neooo> ThinkT510 : Arch was not there
[10:39] <sbarcteam> It "used to work" and then "it broke"
[10:39] <neooo> in the grub menu
[10:39] <neooo> ThinkT510 : wtf
[10:39] <sbarcteam> I prefer to run some kind of tool so it DOES run X, in failsafe, and I could pick my hw, etc.
[10:39] <ThinkT510> neooo: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[10:39] <sbarcteam> There was once X -config or something like that.
[10:39] <neooo> 12.10
[10:39] <sbarcteam> once.
[10:39] <neooo> ThinkT510 : 12.10
[10:40] <ThinkT510> neooo: well, it shows for me
[10:40] <ThinkT510> neooo: you could add it manually
[10:40] <neooo> how
[10:40] <gaetano_> monkeydust: yes i already got it, but i thought it was a bug regardless the unbuntu kind
[10:40] <neooo> ThinkT510 : how?
[10:40] <ThinkT510> neooo: add it to /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[10:41] <ThinkT510> neooo: then do sudo update-grub
[10:41] <Lil> Hi. I am having a problem. I installed xrdp so I could use a remote desktop. However, when I connect.. I can only see the background and desktop icons. It's like unity launcher and the top bar don't load. I am using 12.10 and connecting from a win7 machine. Please help..
[10:41] <wdc101> its saying bad exit status 1 on the ./build.sh --kernal dir line
[10:42] <neooo> ThinkT510 : this there in 40_custom : "#!/bin/sh exec tail -n +3 $0 # This file provides an easy way to add custom menu entries.  Simply type the # menu entries you want to add after this comment.  Be careful not to change # the 'exec tail' line above."
[10:42] <neooo> ThinkT510 : What do i have to add in there?
[10:42] <ThinkT510> neooo: hang on
[10:43] <sbarcteam> this is what I see in my kern.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304602/
[10:44] <sbarcteam> how do I sync API of client with kernel ?
[10:44] <ThinkT510> neooo: see from menuentry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304603/
[10:44] <sbarcteam> what packages shall I reconfigure ?
[10:44] <ThinkT510> neooo: you'll need to make sure you got the right partition
[10:45] <neooo> ThinkT510 :K thanks .. Let me try
[10:45] <sbarcteam> the full Q is: what packages do I need to reconfigure so that my nvidia kernel driver, X driver, etc. AGREE ?
[10:45] <Chris-Magentium> Allo Allo!
[10:45] <ThinkT510> neooo: after you edit and save that file you need to: sudo update-grub
[10:46] <neooo> ThinkT510 : "set root='(hd0,9)' " Do i need to change anything in this line?
[10:46] <bennypr0fane> hello, I'm trying to adjust the read/write permission from Ubuntu to my windows partition. I used chwon and chmod but it's like nothing is changing
[10:46] <ThinkT510> neooo: yes, match it to your arch partition
[10:46] <neooo> ThinkT510 : my arch partition is sda1
[10:47] <neooo> so I change "set root='(hd0,9)'" to "set root='(hd0,1)'"
[10:47] <ThinkT510> neooo: then hd0,1
[10:47] <neooo> ?
[10:47] <brontosaurusrex> bennypr0fane: that needs to be supported by filesystem i belive
[10:47] <neooo> k
[10:47] <ThinkT510> neooo: yes
[10:48] <sbarcteam> guys, how do I make sure all drivers/components versions agree on which nvidia drivers are used ?
[10:48] <sbarcteam> (FROM COMMAND LINE, my X is dying too quickly)
[10:48] <bennypr0fane> brontosaurusrex: filesystem is ntfs. I know this is possible because i've already made it work on another machine
[10:49]  * openbees wondering what the meaning of 'air' in nick of simon_w | air :)
[10:50] <bennypr0fane> sbarcteam drivers are in the kernel, right? have you tried modprobe?
[10:52] <brontosaurusrex> bennypr0fane: perhaps read http://askubuntu.com/questions/11840/how-to-chmod-on-an-ntfs-or-fat32-partition
[10:52] <Lil> how can i completely remove proftpd, and then reinstall it.. and have it ask me which mode I want it to use?
[10:53] <dan> guys i have a sharp AR-123E photocopy machine connected to my ubuntu 12.04 machine , how do i get it to scan documents ?
[10:53] <bennypr0fane> My windows partition is mounted in /media Acer, my user is ben. I did  ben@computer: $ sudo chown -R ben /media/Acer
[10:53] <brontosaurusrex> lil; apt-get remove --purge ?
[10:53] <bennypr0fane> except owner still has read access only
[10:54] <Lil> brontosaurusrex; not totally sure what you mean?
[10:55] <Lil> n/m, got it
[10:55] <Lil> doh, smacks his forhead
[10:56] <alone> o/
[10:56] <PatrickDickey> dan try using simple scan or gscan2pdf.
[10:57] <neooo> ThinkT150 : that did not work
[10:57] <dan> PatrickDickey  it does not pick up the scanner :(
[10:57] <brontosaurusrex> bennypr0fane: what linux are you using?
[10:57] <neooo> ThinkT510 : that did not work
[10:57] <bennypr0fane> brontosaurusrex: ok, so I guess I need to change the mount options in fstab?
[10:57] <ThinkT510> neooo: paste your 40_custom
[10:57] <bennypr0fane> Ubuntu 12.04
[10:58] <neooo> ThinkT510 : should I just replace Ubuntu's Grub with arch's?
[10:58] <neooo> ThinkT510 : hold on
[10:58] <brontosaurusrex> bennypr0fane: i guess fstab is the way to do it, however i dont remember not being able to write to ntfs in later linuxes
[10:58] <brontosaurusrex> by default i mean
[10:58] <bennypr0fane> mount tells me right now the device is ro
[10:59] <bennypr0fane> trying to figure out how to set the mount options - man pages are often not helpful to me
[10:59] <bennypr0fane> there like written in a different language
[10:59] <neooo> ThinkT510 : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304625/
[10:59] <bennypr0fane> *thy're
[10:59] <PatrickDickey> dan, did it work with any earlier versions of ubuntu?
[11:00] <ThinkT510> neooo: and you did sudo update-grub?
[11:00] <brontosaurusrex> bennypr0fane: fstab is over my head, iam sure somebody more knowledgable will pop in
[11:00] <neooo> ThinkT510 : oh lol.. I forgot that
[11:00] <neooo> sorry
[11:00] <PatrickDickey> what is bennypr0fane trying to do?
[11:00] <Lil> I am having a problem. I installed xrdp so I could use a remote desktop. However, when I connect.. I can only see the background and desktop icons. It's like unity launcher and the top bar don't load. I am using 12.10 and connecting from a win7 machine. Please help..
[11:01] <brontosaurusrex> PatrickDickey: ntfs and permissions
[11:01] <PatrickDickey> bennypr0fane:  do you have it mounted right now?
[11:01] <bennypr0fane> PartickDickey I'm trying to mount my win partition (ntfs) with rw permissions
[11:01] <DemonWitch> ikonia, go suck a donkeys dick
[11:01] <DemonWitch> BIATCH
[11:01] <bennypr0fane> yes, it's mounted, but read only
[11:02] <bennypr0fane> except I don't know *where exactly* in fstab to put that [rw]
[11:02] <PatrickDickey> Wow, that wasn't very nice....
[11:03] <dan> PatrickDickey i don't know , because i connected it to this PC for the first time
[11:03] <bennypr0fane> here's the current line for my win partition in fstab: UUID=E882B97582B948B8                      /media/Acer            ntfs      uid=1000,umask=0022      0       0
[11:04] <PatrickDickey> dan, I'm not seeing anything on Google that suggests it's compatible. How is it connected?
[11:04] <MonkeyDust> bennypr0fane  replace "uid..." with "defaults"   (without the quotes)
[11:04] <dan> PatrickDickey  via USB cable
[11:05] <tarun> ThinkT510 : thanks. It worked
[11:05] <dan> PatrickDickey  ubuntu can detect it via printing section
[11:05] <PatrickDickey> dan first thing, open a terminal (CTRL Alt T) and type lsusb and see if it's detected.
[11:05] <ThinkT510> !yay | neooo
[11:05] <PatrickDickey> Ok.
[11:05] <dan> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 04dd:601d Sharp Corp. AR-123E
[11:05] <dan> it has detected it
[11:07] <PatrickDickey> bennypr0fane:  Try this link for some information about this http://askubuntu.com/questions/113733/how-do-i-correctly-mount-a-ntfs-partition-in-etc-fstab
[11:07] <dan> PatrickDickey - printer status Idle - Unable to send data to printer.
[11:07] <neooo> btw, are there any good 3D FPS games for linux?
[11:08] <MonkeyDust> neooo  start here http://users.skynet.be/gbachot/html/games.html
[11:08] <bennypr0fane> MonkeyDust: "defaults" means rwx permissions for the owner?
[11:09] <bennypr0fane> what's the "uid=1000" do?
[11:09] <neooo> MonkeyDust : that is long list.. and I dont know which one of them is good
[11:09] <neooo> just suggest me 2 or 3
[11:09] <blackshirt> hello
[11:10] <PatrickDickey> bennypr0fane: uid=1000 is your user id in the ubuntu system.
[11:11] <PatrickDickey> dan I'm going to check in a few places to see if your scanner is supported. It might take a few minutes.
[11:11] <bennypr0fane> I changed it to this now: UUID=E882B97582B948B8                      /media/Acer            ntfs      defaults,umask=0022      0       0
[11:11] <MonkeyDust> bennypr0fane  no, remove umask=0022 too
[11:11] <napoleoncomplex> hey everyone, I am having an issue with bamfdaemon after updating to the 12.10 release
[11:12] <bennypr0fane> MonkeyDust: why?
[11:12] <blackshirt> maybe better use ntfs-3g
[11:12] <MonkeyDust> bennypr0fane  and the comma
[11:12] <dan> PatrickDickey  thanks !
[11:12] <napoleoncomplex> the only thing i can see is that its bamfdaemon that caused the crash, but my computer slows down to a crawl and I cant get detailed info about the crash
[11:12] <bennypr0fane> MonkeyDust: just "defaults" for option, nothing else?
[11:12] <napoleoncomplex> and its happening on both laptops that i updated to 12.10, with very different setups, both upgrades were directly from 12.04 to .10
[11:13] <MonkeyDust> bennypr0fane  correct
[11:14] <cortexA9> why ubuntu is so popular ?
[11:15] <bennypr0fane> Monkeydust: need to reboot before this takes effect, right?
[11:15] <MonkeyDust> cortexA9  because it is good
[11:15] <ThinkT510> cortexA9: this is a support channel, maybe ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:15] <MonkeyDust> bennypr0fane  or sudo mount -a
[11:15] <PatrickDickey> dan, I'm not seeing anything that suggests it's compatible.  You might ask on the ubuntuforums though.
[11:16] <idbs> i have configure sip2 in my ubuntu, i am getting error "/openils/bin/oils_ctl.sh: line 75: kill: (5330) - No such process", when i am running command "oils_ctl.sh -d /openils/var/run -s /openils/conf/oils_sip.xml -a restart_sip" to start sip2 server? please guide.
[11:16] <cortexA9> how to help the community ?
[11:16] <bennypr0fane> cortexA9: friendly to new users! Ubuntu tries to make itself effortless to use
[11:17] <belgianguy> just found myself staring at a white screen on one and white vertical stripes on a black background on my other monitor
[11:17] <ThinkT510> !contribute | cortexA9
[11:17] <belgianguy> how do I find out what happened?
[11:17] <belgianguy> I'm guessing something to do with the gfx
[11:17] <GeorgeTorwell> When I install Ubuntu if I already have an existing account and home folder on a previous ubuntu installation, can I make the new Ubuntu use that home/account without creating a new one?
[11:17] <dan> PatrickDickey thanks for the help ,  sure i will head to ubuntu forums
[11:18] <SharkMuttleworth> GeorgeTorwell: Well, you can upgrade your Ubuntu install rather than doing a fresh install, that way its kept
[11:18] <PatrickDickey> dan, good luck. Sorry I couldn't find anything more for you.
[11:18] <Lil> I am having a problem. I installed xrdp so I could use a remote desktop. However, when I connect.. I can only see the background and desktop icons. It's like unity launcher and the top bar don't load. I am using 12.10 and connecting from a win7 machine. Please help..
[11:18] <SharkMuttleworth> GeorgeTorwell: Otherwise I think you'd have needed to create a separate /home partition when you first installed (don't think Ubuntu does this by default, some distributions do)
[11:18] <GeorgeTorwell> I would like to reinstall so I can use the full disk encryption feature of 12.10
[11:18] <belgianguy> is there an error log somewhere I could troubleshoot?
[11:18] <subz3r0> hi
[11:18] <GeorgeTorwell> I do have a separate /home
[11:19] <blackshirt> belgianguy, look at'/var/log dir
[11:19] <blackshirt> hi subz3ro
[11:19] <subz3r0> where can i find a webpage which shows me what has been upgraded lately? coze im wondering that grub was updated on just one of my systems... (12.04)
[11:19] <PatrickDickey> !bug | belgianguy
[11:20] <MonkeyDust> GeorgeTorwell  /home also contains config files -- two different ubuntu versions may not be compatible
[11:20] <SharkMuttleworth> GeorgeTorwell: Not sure how that works with encryption though, if you keep your home partition whether it encrypts it
[11:20] <belgianguy> PatrickDickey: if I find something, I'll surely file it
[11:20] <bennypr0fane> GeorgeTorwell a separate home partition? That you created yourself? If so, I think you need to mount it separately after install. also, a standard install will still make its own /home directory
[11:20] <belgianguy> there's a lot of logs :/
[11:20] <GeorgeTorwell> oh ok thats what I thought bennypr0fane
[11:21] <bennypr0fane> subzero afaik grub doesn't just get updated automatically
[11:21] <PatrickDickey> subz3r0: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ might have what you want.
[11:21] <GeorgeTorwell> bennypr0fane: the /home is also encrypted, do I need to set up anything to get access to the files again?
[11:21] <subz3r0> PatrickDickey, thanks
[11:21] <bennypr0fane> subz3r0 afaik grub doesn't just get updated automatically
[11:22] <belgianguy> is there a way to look for critical/panic events?
[11:22] <PatrickDickey> subz3r0: no problem. I'm sure there's a list in your computer also, but I can't remember exactly where it's at. It should be a log file though.
[11:22] <belgianguy> (eg grep a log)
[11:22] <dan> PatrickDickey  no problem mate - looks like it takes some time to solve this :D
[11:22] <subz3r0> i was in a hurry... it asked me if i want to compare the settings... etc...
[11:22] <subz3r0> clicked on comapare then OK, but there was nothing to compare... well i boot the machine now and have a look :)
[11:23] <PatrickDickey> Ahhh, and you chose the replace option?
[11:23] <bennypr0fane> subz3r0 did you do a fresh install of the os or grub?
[11:23] <subz3r0> since its alerting me if the bootloader is gettin updated on just one system
[11:23] <subz3r0> bennypr0fane, no i did not
[11:23] <bennypr0fane> well tehn who or what asked you to compare settings etc.?
[11:24] <PatrickDickey> subz3r0: If I'm understanding you right, you have one system that's 12.10 and one that's 12.04? And the 12.04 has an update for Grub, but the 12.10 doesn't?
[11:24] <subz3r0> that's it... i dont know
[11:24] <subz3r0> no, both 12.04
[11:24] <subz3r0> bootin the system now and check what happend exactly. will let u know
[11:24] <PatrickDickey> Was it on one system that it asked you to compare settings, or both?
[11:25] <subz3r0> just one
[11:25] <subz3r0> on my netbook... and i wasnt asked the same question on my other pc's
[11:25] <PatrickDickey> Before that happened, did you make any changes to Grub yourself?
[11:25] <subz3r0> no, ofc not
[11:25] <bennypr0fane> PatrickDickey so grub will get updated together with all the other regular updates? that is new to me...
[11:26] <PatrickDickey> I've had updates to grub before. But, I always do "Show Updates" before I install them. Just to see what's being done.
[11:26] <subz3r0> i did not update the netbook for about 30 days... so it installed about 130mb updates... also a new kernel version x.xx...32
[11:26] <PatrickDickey> subz3r0: did it say updating grub while it was doing the updates?
[11:27] <PatrickDickey> subz3r0: Most likely what happened is that when you finally did all of your updates, it had to update your Grub configuration, because you added a new kernel.
[11:28] <bennypr0fane> PatrickDickey I mean grub updates that were pushed/suggested to you, that you didn't initiate yourself?
[11:28] <belgianguy> grub reindexes its known images whenever a new kernel comes out (at least here)
[11:28] <belgianguy> but I usually do 'replace' as well, and it hasn't crashed my system (yet)
[11:29] <bennypr0fane> I've recently found there is some sort of grub rescue disc
[11:29] <PatrickDickey> bennypr0fane: I have my updates set up to show me all available updates immediately. So, it probably found one in the daily check. When the icon came up, I clicked on Show Updates and saw something for grub. I'm guessing more or less here, because I've slept in the last week. ;-) (In other words, I don't remember exactly what it was or when).
[11:29] <PatrickDickey> belgianguy: It has to reindex, otherwise you wouldn't boot to the new kernel.
[11:30] <bennypr0fane> I was gonna get that rescue disc and recommend it to you as well. It sucks when you can't get into your os
[11:30] <subz3r0> i just have seen a behaviour like that, when i do a upgrade... like from 10.04 to 12.04. before not. i was rly in a hurry so i selected "compare" and didnot read the rest... im pretty sure it was asking me about "/boot/grub/menu.lst" since i edited it when i did a upgrade... but thats month ago
[11:30] <PatrickDickey> I've used it a few times.
[11:30] <Houdini> hi
[11:30] <Houdini> how do i use the make file
[11:30] <belgianguy> subz3r0: can you reach root shell?
[11:31] <Houdini> anyone know how i can install stuff?
[11:31] <PatrickDickey> subz3r0: That's probably what it was then. Either there was an update to grub itself, and it detected that you made changes to menu.lst, or it was part of the kernel update.
[11:31] <belgianguy> apt-get install stuff
[11:31] <Houdini> new with linux
[11:31] <belgianguy> ;)
[11:31] <subz3r0> yes ofc. everything is working fine. i just want to figure out why it asked me to compare the settings...
[11:31] <alone> Houdini: magic linux: apt-get install whatyouwant
[11:31] <Houdini> also i have an x3100 graphics chip
[11:31] <PatrickDickey> Houdini: sudo apt-get install packagename or use the Software Center.
[11:31] <belgianguy> Houdini: what are you looking for?
[11:31] <Houdini> and idk how to install mesa
[11:31] <gustav__> Anyone using Steam on Ubuntu?
[11:31] <subz3r0> Houdini, maybe you should read something about the basics...
[11:31] <Houdini> where is that
[11:31] <subz3r0> there is almost ALWAYS a README or INSTALL file inside of the packages
[11:32] <Houdini> hmm
[11:32] <belgianguy> Houdini: there's also the Ubuntu Software Center (the bag icon) or through the Dash (the uppermost icon of Unity)
[11:32] <SharkMuttleworth> gustav__: Yes, with Wine
[11:32] <subz3r0> and i would strongly recommend, DO NOT compile any soft if u dont know what youre doin
[11:32] <Houdini> i know about the software center
[11:32] <subz3r0> use the softwarecenter insteag
[11:32] <PatrickDickey> Houdini, the Software Center is launched on the left side (if you're using Unity). It looks like a bag with stuff flying out of it.
[11:32] <Houdini> and sudo apt-get
[11:32] <MonkeyDust> Houdini  start from the beginning, what brings you here
[11:32] <gustav__> SharkMuttleworth: You don't happen to be using bumblebee or otherwise noticed that the Steam window moves a little when you have the cursor over it? :)
[11:33] <Houdini> how do u use make files
[11:33] <SharkMuttleworth> gustav__: No, sorry
[11:33] <PatrickDickey> Open a command line (Terminal. You can use Ctrl+Alt+T all at the same time) and type sudo apt-get install packagename and it will install the package.
[11:33] <SharkMuttleworth> gustav__: Shouldn't be long before the offiical Linux version is out, would solve any problems :)
[11:33] <belgianguy> Houdini: what kind of files?
[11:33] <gustav__> SharkMuttleworth: Niiiiice...
[11:33] <Kroach> Houdini: do you want to manually compile a package?
[11:33] <Houdini> im trying to install mesa
[11:33] <gustav__> SharkMuttleworth: Are they porting games or just Steam?
[11:33] <MonkeyDust> Houdini  start with the basics
[11:34] <Houdini> but i cant use the sudo apt-get
[11:34] <gaetano_> #ubuntustudio
[11:34] <Houdini> so i downloaded the files
[11:34] <gustav__> SharkMuttleworth: I don't get Steam...
[11:34] <subz3r0> MonkeyDust, word!
[11:34] <Houdini> where can i find the basics
[11:34] <Houdini> \?
[11:34] <SharkMuttleworth> gustav__: They're porting some of their own games too, Left4Dead has been confirmed, not sure of others
[11:34] <PatrickDickey> Houdini: do they end in .deb?
[11:34] <subz3r0> Houdini, rly start with the basics... and dont compile any software... use instead the software center if you need anything
[11:34] <Houdini> it was in a .tar
[11:34] <Houdini> i extracted it
[11:34] <gustav__> SharkMuttleworth: It's a start.
[11:34] <Kroach> Kroach: why not just use sudo apt-get install mesa?
[11:35] <Houdini> because it cant finds the right packages or something
[11:35] <MonkeyDust> Houdini  start with the simple things, then try compiling, tar files etc
[11:35] <Houdini> what simple things?
[11:35] <subz3r0> Houdini, what do you want to install?
[11:35] <PatrickDickey> Houdini: if you go into the folder that you extracted it into, there should be a README, or INSTALL file in there. That will give you the specific instructions for how to compile and install the software. But, I agree with subz3r0, when I say try to find it in the software center or a .deb file first.
[11:36] <subz3r0> Houdini, a good start would be study the forums of ubuntu
[11:36] <MonkeyDust> Houdini  get used to ubuntu, learn some basic commands, then go to more advanced things
[11:36] <Kroach> Houdini: sudo apt-get install mesa
[11:36] <subz3r0> ..to study...
[11:36] <Houdini> whats the link
[11:36] <Houdini> is there a pdf?
[11:36]  * PatrickDickey wonders if he can link to the ubuntu manual project's manual
[11:36] <MonkeyDust> Houdini  pick something here http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Precise
[11:37] <Houdini> okay
[11:37] <Houdini> ty
[11:37] <Houdini> and another question
[11:37] <Houdini> i cant get the keyboard to work on my new laptop
[11:37] <Houdini> amd processor
[11:37] <Houdini> i used the amd image
[11:37] <PatrickDickey> Houdini you can also look at this site http://www.ubuntu-manual.org There's a Getting started manual for the last few versions of Ubuntu on the site.
[11:38] <Houdini> where can i find general keyboard drivers
[11:38] <Houdini> for my laptop
[11:39] <bennypr0fane> aaaargh! now my win partition is not even there! Ubuntu can't see it anymore!
[11:39] <PatrickDickey> Houdini: Typically the keyboard drivers are built into the kernel. It might not include the multimedia keys though.
[11:39] <Houdini> none of them work
[11:39] <Houdini> and the touchpad doesnt either
[11:39] <PatrickDickey> Houdini: what kind of laptop is it?
[11:39]  * Houdini ** WinSys ** Client: HexChat 2.9.3 (x64) ** OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium  ** CPU: AMD A8-4500M APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics    (1.00 GHz) ** RAM: 7654 MB Total (5714 MB Free) ** VGA: AMD Radeon HD 7640G ** Uptime: 0.67 Hours **
[11:39] <Houdini> im on windows atm
[11:40] <bennypr0fane> MonkeyDust: you here? my fstab is now this: UUID=E882B97582B948B8                      /media/Acer            ntfs      defaults      0       0
[11:40] <MonkeyDust> bennypr0fane  looks ok to me
[11:40] <belgianguy> bennypr0fane: missing something?
[11:40] <MonkeyDust> bennypr0fane  did you reboot or type sudo mount -a ?
[11:40] <bennypr0fane> both
[11:41] <bennypr0fane> first mount, then reboot
[11:41] <PatrickDickey> bennypr0fane: type ls /media into a terminal window, and tell me if you see a directory called Acer
[11:41] <bennypr0fane> after reboot, /media/Acer is gone
[11:41] <Houdini> it works with ubuntu 9.10
[11:41] <Houdini> not with the new one
[11:41] <MonkeyDust> bennypr0fane  type blkid|pastebinit and paste the url here
[11:41] <bennypr0fane> PatrickDickey yes, it's there
[11:42] <PatrickDickey> bennypr0fane: try this. sudo mkdir /mnt/Acer and then change everything in your mount command from /media/Acer to /mnt/Acer
[11:42] <bennypr0fane> but it's missing in Nautlius and dropbox can't find it
[11:42] <PatrickDickey> bennypr0fane: OK, since it's there, try cd /media/Acer, then ls, and see if anything's there.
[11:42] <gustav__> How do I get back my resoluton in X when some game changes it all weird? (ROSE/Steam this time.)
[11:43] <Lil> I am having a problem. I installed xrdp so I could use a remote desktop. However, when I connect.. I can only see the background and desktop icons. It's like unity launcher and the top bar don't load. I am using 12.10 and connecting from a win7 machine. Please help..
[11:43] <PatrickDickey> Houdini: first of all, the graphics may not work right away. ATI hasn't released their drivers for Ubuntu 12.10 yet.
[11:43] <bennypr0fane> gustav_ you need to check your display manager
[11:44] <Houdini> yea
[11:44] <Houdini> they dont work too smoothly
[11:44] <PatrickDickey> Lil, are you able to physically log into the machine?
[11:44] <bennypr0fane> gustav_ which are you using
[11:44] <gustav__> bennypr0fane: Standard.
[11:45] <bubu\a> hi guys - I setup an http proxy on my ubuntu server install but I need to change the proxy - anyone know where this is written to? can't find in /etc/bash.bashrc or /etc/environment ?
[11:45] <Lil> PatrickDickey; Yes, I can even connect with RDP.. because I see the desktop background, and desktop icons. I can right click and etc. It's just that the unity launcher and top bar never load.
[11:45] <gustav__> bennypr0fane: lightdm.
[11:45] <subz3r0> ok guys back... so grub was updates yesterday... grub2-common (1.99-21ubuntu3.1, 1.99-21ubuntu3.4), grub-pc (1.99-21ubuntu3.1, 1.99-21ubuntu3.4), grub-pc-bin (1.99-21ubuntu3.1, 1.99-21ubuntu3.4) and grub-common (1.99-21ubuntu3.1, 1.99-21ubuntu3.4). im rly wondering coze it was not updates on my other systems
[11:45] <bennypr0fane> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304686/
[11:46] <PatrickDickey> Lil, if you are at the machine (not through xrdp) do you have the launcher and panel?
[11:46] <Azzle-Dazzle> Can someone help me with my audio issues ? I was fiddling with the different outputs under sounds settings and now i have no sound at all
[11:46] <PatrickDickey> Azzle-Dazzle: in Sound Settings, on the first tab, how many devices do you have?
[11:47] <Lil> PatrickDickey; Yes, Everything works fine if I am actually on the machine.
[11:47] <Azzle-Dazzle> PatrickDickey - Output ?? If so, It shows 1 and its called 'Dummy Output'
[11:48] <PatrickDickey> Azzle-Dazzle: before you started changing things, did it show more than one device there?
[11:48] <PatrickDickey> Lil, you might want to try a different Remote Desktop client then.
[11:48] <Lil> PatrickDickey; I just connected through xrdp, and was even prompted to run updates..
[11:49] <PatrickDickey> And is it working now? After you ran the updates?
[11:49] <Azzle-Dazzle> PatrickDickey - No just the 1 i recall, but it wasnt named dummy output. I remember under 'Hardware' It was on Analogue stereo, But i have 5.1 so I changed it and it all stopped
[11:49] <Azzle-Dazzle> ive reverted back but now no sound at all
[11:49] <subz3r0> ok. well.... the update was from 30 sept. but why i was not asked for comparing the configs of grub on my other system... mhh... i changed the grub config on all pcs here. strangw
[11:49] <subz3r0> strange
[11:49] <Lil> PatrickDickey; Going to run the updates and check.. do you have any suggestions for a different client? I am just using whats built into windoze
[11:51] <bennypr0fane> gustav_ there is a configuration file for lightdm where the dpi is set, but I can't find it right now....
[11:51] <PatrickDickey> Lil, you might be able to use vncsever and vncclient to do it.
[11:52] <vitimiti> o/
[11:52] <wizrd> Lil: You could also check out Teamviewer
[11:52] <Lil> PatrickDickey; I might just try that. Just can't figure out this issue. I have friends that are running 12.04 doing this with no problem. Unfortunately I have updated all my machines to 12.10
[11:52] <PatrickDickey> Azzle-Dazzle: I'm not sure if I can help you with the sound issues. But, you might want to keep checking here. Someone can, I'm sure. Also, you could check on ubuntuforums.
[11:52] <Azzle-Dazzle> Ok ill have a look around now, Thanks
[11:53] <Lil> PatrickDickey; Granted their machines are different, but still.. lol. I wish I would have tried this before upgrading to 12.10
[11:53] <PatrickDickey> Lil, it's probably just a glitch in something that they haven't worked out yet. What you're seeing sounds like the graphics issue I had, but you don't have it when you physically sit at the computer.
[11:54] <iceroot> is there a way on a notebook to make a differenc between "display closed" and "display closed when using a docking-station" for the suspend-feature?
[11:54] <ilias> i installed to a friend's old notebook (acer travelmate with cpu 3ghz and 750 ram) xubuntu 12.04. Everything to be running smoothly, but very often the system freezes during internet browsing (using either Mozilla or Crome) and the only way to re-start is to click to power on/off button. Any idea? Is it a distro's issue or is it a harware problem?
[11:54] <Lil> I really don't think 12.10 was ready for release. I have submitted probably 10+ crash reports.
[11:55] <Lil> I can physically sit at the ubuntu machine and remote in to the windows machine.. and it works fine.
[11:56] <PatrickDickey> Well part of the issue is that they changed some of the underlying stuff (like X.Org to 1.3) and the hardware manufacturers haven't released their drivers yet. Plus, if your hardware is a few years old, they're not supoorting it. ATI is one that comes to mind for me (as I'm using a hacked version of their drivers right now).
[11:56] <fidel_> Lil: i get tons of crash reports on my 12.10 test-vm as well
[11:56] <fidel_> so - while this doesnt help in general ...you are for sure not alone hehe
[11:56] <NilBud> PatrickDickey, Would the so called "hacked drivers" support the X1200?
[11:57] <PatrickDickey> They might. I know they're for the HD 2000 HD 3000 and HD 4000 series cards.
[11:57] <PengunCSC>  /msg NickServ identify !187GHlk
[11:57] <bennypr0fane> PatrickDickey I can't change into my win directory
[11:57] <Lil> fidel_; lol, good to know im not the only one. I can see the guy just shaking his head every time I submit a crash report ;)
[11:57] <fidel_> PengunCSC: change that now ;)
[11:57] <NilBud> What he said.
[11:57] <IdleOne> PengunCSC: Please make sure to change your nickserv pass
[11:57] <alexThunder> does anyone know if having installed ubuntu 12.04 and 12.10 at the same time while having both mounted on the same /home and /opt would work well?
[11:58] <fidel_> Lil: afaik there is a function to be not longer alarmed for similar crashes
[11:58] <fidel_> Lil: havent tested it myself - as its just a testing vm and i want to see the amount of crashes myself ;)
[11:58] <kunji> Hmm, my 12.04 install was full of crashes originally, but they disappeared after a few updates, this seems like part of the normal release process to me
[11:58] <PatrickDickey> NilBud: here's the link to the information. Like I said, it's geared to the HD series, but it might work for you too. http://www.unixmen.com/ubuntu-12-10-and-amd-catalyst-problem-solved/
[11:59] <PengunCSC> IdleOne: thanks!
[11:59] <gustav__> How do I reset the resolution in X to what it's supposed to be when a game or something messes it up?
[11:59]  * PengunCSC stupid
[11:59] <PatrickDickey> bennypr0fane: type mount without anything else, and see if your win partition is listed.
[11:59] <gustav__> Running 12.10.
[11:59] <NilBud> PatrickDickey, OK. I'll look into it. Thank you.
[11:59] <bennypr0fane> PatrickDickey yes it's there, read only
[12:00] <PatrickDickey> bennypr0fane: is it in /media/Acer?
[12:00] <bennypr0fane> yes
[12:01] <kunji> PatrickDickey: what would the impact be for the proprietary driver?
[12:01] <bennypr0fane> gustav_ I found this : https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#Setting_DPI_manually
[12:02] <PatrickDickey> kunji: as far as using the information on that page? if you use their first option, you're just using the old Catalyst drivers from ATI (the ones for 12.04).
[12:03] <PatrickDickey> bennypr0fane: in your /etc/fstab, I'd say change the defaults to something like dmask=000, umask=000, fmask=000 (that's rwx for everything). If you just want rw for everything, then it's dmask=222,umask=222,fmask=222
[12:04] <PatrickDickey> bennypr0fane: try 222 for them first. If that doesn't do what you want, then try 022, and finally 000. one of them will work.
[12:05] <Tr0niX> When im doing a install
[12:05] <Tr0niX> i pressed D for details
[12:05] <Tr0niX> when im at the buttom
[12:05] <Tr0niX> how to go back to the installation?
[12:05] <Tr0niX> in ssh
[12:05] <Tr0niX> it just says (END)
[12:05] <PatrickDickey> bennypr0fane: You'll want to umount /media/Acer before you try remounting them.
[12:05] <IdleOne> Q
[12:06] <Tr0niX> ah tnx idleone
[12:06] <IdleOne> welcome
[12:06] <Tr0niX> i installed update for ubuntu, but it asks if i want to remove 420 packages or something
[12:06] <Tr0niX> guess that the old ones
[12:06] <Tr0niX> sould i remove or not?
[12:06] <bennypr0fane> PartickDickey: x bit shouldn't be necessary, since I don't need to execute stuff that's on the windows partition, right?
[12:06] <IdleOne> Tr0niX: those are the old ones, yes.
[12:06] <Tr0niX> but would i like to remove or does it not realy mather?
[12:06] <PatrickDickey> bennypr0fane: Probably. That's a last resort one, if nothing else works. It's essentially saying let me do whatever the heck I want.
[12:07] <IdleOne> Tr0niX: you can keep them if you prefer
[12:07] <PatrickDickey> Tr0niX: most likely they're packages that it needs to replace (or doesn't use anymore). You can look at them, to see if there's anything you want to keep.
[12:07] <bennypr0fane> I want a) Dropbox to get access to it, and b) to run Wine applications. Do they need to be on the Linux partition to run them?
[12:08] <bennypr0fane> PatrickDickey: so 1.) change fstab 2) umount 3) mount -a ?
[12:09] <kunji> PatrickDickey: sorry, my mistake, got the proprietary driver mixed up with the open source one.  So I guess, are there any known issues with the open source drivers?
[12:09] <PatrickDickey> bennypr0fane: Dropbox should work wherever you have your folder at. Once you've gotten it mounted rw, you can point to the folder.  As for wine applications, you can run the setup.exe file from wherever, but it will actually install in /home/username/.wine
[12:09] <PatrickDickey> bennypr0fane: Yep, that would work. or you can umount then change /etc/fstab.
[12:10] <PatrickDickey> kunji: I'm not sure. I know when I first booted into Unity, I didn't have any panels at all (top or launcher). And the Alt key didn't work. I could do CTRL+Alt+T to get a terminal, but that was it.
[12:10] <bennypr0fane> so running a Wine app while work regardless of the location of the setup.exe (Linx or windows partition)?
[12:10] <PatrickDickey> When I uninstalled fglrx, everything worked, but it was sloooowwww.
[12:11] <PatrickDickey> bennypr0fane: Right. What it does is creates a fake windows drive under your home directory (in .wine).
[12:11] <kunji> PatrickDickey: Hmm, well that sucks.. my transition to 12.10 could be rocky, ah well
[12:11] <PatrickDickey> kunji: which card do you have?
[12:12] <kunji> PatrickDickey: 4870
[12:13] <PatrickDickey> It might be then. I used the third option (the ppa), and everything is better now. However, things like Second Life don't work, because I don't have the proper setup for it.
[12:13] <Azzle-Dazzle> Ok, Got my sound back on now, But................................ whenever I change output from Analogue to 5.1 it works fine, But when I skip track, it goes down to 2.0 (2 speakers 0 sub) WTF is with this lol ?
[12:13] <PatrickDickey> Azzle-Dazzle: short answer? PulseAudio sucks. Longer answer, I'm not sure. Someone with more experience in Audio might have better advice.
[12:14] <bennypr0fane> PatrickDickey: I can't remount it it say mount location doesn't exist
[12:14] <PatrickDickey> Azzle-Dazzle: L3top was working with someone on audio the other day (but I think he's sleeping or afk right now).
[12:15] <PatrickDickey> bennypr0fane: do the sudo mkdir /mnt/Acer and change everything to point there instead.
[12:15] <ahhughes> after upgrade of mythbuntu on boot it says "Serious errors were found while checking the disk drive for /my-mount" I have options i to ignore, s to skip, or m for manual recovery. I guess I Want to fix this but I dont know what the problem is
[12:15] <Azzle-Dazzle> the whole 5.1 is working well just on Analogue, But it sounds clearer when I select 5.1 so id prefer that setting, However its causing so many issues when I change I think I will just leave it alone :)
[12:16] <PatrickDickey> Azzle-Dazzle: you might check back later on (in about 4 or 8 hours) and someone might be able to help out.
[12:16] <Azzle-Dazzle> yeah, no worries mate ! thanks for the help so far !
[12:16] <bennypr0fane> PartickDickey: I'm crying now. What happened to the /media/Acer?
[12:17] <PatrickDickey> bennypr0fane: it was a temporary location that the computer generated when you rebooted. if you really like it, then do sudo mkdir /media/Acer and it should mount there permanently.
[12:17] <kunji> Azzle-Dazzle: is your sound setup pretty much default, or have you been messing with it?  If you've been playing with pulse and stuff like I was, then resetting the lot might help: http://blog.zloether.com/2009/11/reset-sound-settings-in-ubuntu.html
[12:18] <PatrickDickey> bennypr0fane: My understanding from a different system is that permanent mounts should go to '/mnt' not /media. But it might be a matter of opinion.
[12:18] <dr_willis> they can go whever they are needed. ;-)
[12:19] <bennypr0fane> PatrickDickey iirc from what I read in ubuntu help pages, media is nowadays the standard way for a permanent mount
[12:19] <kunji> PatrickDickey: permanent mounts can go anywhere, but you should make a permanent folder to mount them to
[12:19] <dr_willis> a fstab entry myst have the directory existing befor it mounts
[12:20] <PatrickDickey> Like I said, it's a matter of opinion. I was reading it for an amahi home server (fedora- or ubuntu- based version of Windows Home Server) and they recommended /mnt.
[12:20] <Azzle-Dazzle> kunji - its completely default, just done a fresh install, ive improved it a little by editing the pulseaudio config and setting default channels to 6 instead of 2
[12:20] <Azzle-Dazzle> and adding the extra speakers (rear left / right / centre / sub etc)
[12:20] <PatrickDickey> So, bennypr0fane type sudo mkdir /media/Acer and then try mounting again.
[12:21] <bennypr0fane> dr_willis the point is, it already did exist and used to be mounted read only, it just went away after I chenged the mount options in /etc/fstab to "defaults
[12:21] <dr_willis> the /media/whatever shouldent have vanished
[12:21] <PatrickDickey> bennypr0fane: did you put defaults or "defaults" in?
[12:21] <bennypr0fane> I'm just wondering how it could just vanish, you know
[12:21] <milfoil1> hi.  how can i tell if modesetting is active for the radeon kernel module?
[12:21] <bennypr0fane> defaults, no quotes
[12:22] <bennypr0fane> I pasted the line above
[12:22] <PatrickDickey> bennypr0fane:  did you try it with the dmask, umask, fmask instead of defaults?
[12:22] <bennypr0fane> yes
[12:22] <dr_willis> unless the thing was also mounted via the automounting systems
[12:22] <bennypr0fane> it's still mounted as read only
[12:22] <nabblet> hi, how can i enable sshfs TO my machine?
[12:22] <PatrickDickey> dr_willis: I think that's what originally happened. So, when it unmounted, it removed the directory.
[12:22] <kunji> Azzle-Dazzle: Hmm, for using pulse and getting that routed correctly I typically need to use qjackctl, but it's finicky as hell, so I use alsa for most everything, and only use pulse with jack when I need to route sound in real time.
[12:23] <Lil> PatrickDickey; Do you think it could have something to do with the resolution? Because I was looking in the xrdp log.. and I am seeing a resolution thats higher then the machine.
[12:23] <PatrickDickey> Lil, that could be it. Change it to a lower one, and try again.
[12:23] <ThinkT510> nabblet: install openssh-server
[12:23] <Lil> I would I change it for xrdp?
[12:24] <bennypr0fane> dr_willis I did not unmount before changing to defaults. It did before making the second change to dmask=222,umask=222,fmask=222
[12:24] <PatrickDickey> Lil, I'd say if you're on something like 1280x760, go with 1024xsomething lower.
[12:24] <bennypr0fane> I'll try and reboot now
[12:24] <mickepaprika> hello.. i have the problem that my system freezes for about 1 sec every 30 secs... I believe it is something with the graphics, because the sound is still working... anyone who has time to help me debug this?
[12:24] <Azzle-Dazzle> kunji - Im a bit of a linux noob, so everything you said, appeared to be in a different language lol. I have fiddled with alsa too, the main thing is i have sound now and it doesnt sound so distorted, So ill stick with it till i learn what im messing with :)
[12:25] <PatrickDickey> Lil, yes. You want to make the resolution smaller than what your windows screen is.
[12:25] <nabblet> ThinkT510, thank you that worked
[12:25] <ThinkT510> !yay | nabblet
[12:25] <milfoil1> ah, answered my own question.  kernel modesetting is reflected in the logs
[12:25] <PatrickDickey> mickepaprika: what kind of graphics card do you have?
[12:26]  * PatrickDickey is an audio noob
[12:26] <mickepaprika> PatrickDickey: intel, hang on will check exactly...
[12:26] <Jaska_> hello, any recommendations for compitable video card, going to build htpc.. well built one but the apu doest seem to work too well on linux..
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:26] <Jaska_> pretty much any card that can handle 1920x1080
[12:26] <mickepaprika> PatrickDickey: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[12:26] <Jaska_> and fanless ;)
[12:27] <MonkeyDust> !hardware > Jaska_
[12:27] <kunji> Azzle-Dazzle: This is a good place to learn some, there are some good diagrams on the audio stack in Audio Debugging Techniques post almost half way down the page:   http://voices.canonical.com/david.henningsson/
[12:27] <nabblet> ThinkT510, dang... too early. failed to open /dev/fuse
[12:27] <Jaska_> ty
[12:27] <mickepaprika> PatrickDickey: my computer is a Samsung X360 laptop
[12:27] <Lil> PatrickDickey; My windows desktop is is 1600x900 (which is what its trying to open it as) - but the ubuntu machine is 1280x800 ... How would I go about changing it for xrdp ?
[12:27] <nabblet> ThinkT510, but my user is in the fuse group
[12:28] <Azzle-Dazzle> Thanks kunki - Thats great ! ill have a good read of it now :)
[12:28] <PatrickDickey> Lil, it might be in connection settings on your Remote Desktop. I'm not sure in xrdp though, as I've never used it.
[12:28] <rap_hael> hi, after upgrading to 12.10, i got no sound at all, though the card is present in alsamixer : imac 9.1, HDA NVidia, ALC889A
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Jaska_, what graphics are you runniung now on the HTPC ?
[12:30] <Tr0niX> The Apache error log may have more information.  * Starting web server apache2                                           [fail]
[12:30] <Tr0niX> og
[12:30] <Tr0niX> oh
[12:30] <PatrickDickey> mickepaprika: Did you upgrade from 12.04 by chance? (Just wanting to know if it worked in that release or not).
[12:32] <Irulan> hello
[12:32] <philinux> PatrickDickey: I upgraded 12.04 to 12.10. couple of minor glitches but otherwise fine
[12:32] <PatrickDickey> philinux: Glad to hear that. :D
[12:32] <Irulan> 12.10 upgrade broke my gnome3 session
[12:32] <philinux> PatrickDickey: I usually clean install but decided to test the upgrade path
[12:32] <Irulan> gnome-shell refuses to start
[12:32] <Irulan> http://pastebin.com/2VMMSFW8
[12:33] <PatrickDickey> philinux: that's how I went too.
[12:33] <mickepaprika> PatrickDickey: i have had this problem for a while... not always though, it wasn't there, say, about a year ago... i have been a bit reluctant to actually research it... the first time i noticed it was in 11.10, but i never installed 11.04, so don't know if it was there too
[12:33] <mickepaprika> PatrickDickey: don't remember which version i used before 11.10
[12:33] <BluesKaj> rap_hael, open a terminal , sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel  , if there's not output from the command then the driver is loaded ..you may have to reboot
[12:33] <Tr0niX> Hi!
[12:33] <Tr0niX> i updated ubuntu
[12:34] <Tr0niX> but did not update apache.conf
[12:34] <Tr0niX> and now its failing
[12:34] <Tr0niX> any tip?
[12:34] <PatrickDickey> Tr0niX: how's it failing?
[12:34] <philinux> Irulan: i assume it fails from the login screen too?
[12:34] <Tr0niX> Patric: Hi, i dunno, when i try to start it just says failing
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[12:34] <dr_willis> you had a custome apache.conf?
[12:34] <Irulan> yes, philinux
[12:34] <PatrickDickey> mickepaprika: I'm not sure what to tell you. one thing you could try is installing a different desktop and see if that works. If that does, then it's probably something with ubuntu-desktop.
[12:35] <mickepaprika> Tr0niX: did you check the apache log?
[12:35] <dr_willis> Tr0niX: check the logs?
[12:35] <rap_hael> BluesKaj: snd_hda_intel          32515  3 from lsmod, the driver is loaded, the card is seen, though no sound, even with using alsa tricks like passing arguments in modrpobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[12:35] <Tr0niX> hehe :/ Where to find xD
[12:35] <mickepaprika> PatrickDickey: no it is something deeper... it is present both in gnome and kde... and both in linux mint debian edition and ubuntu
[12:35] <PatrickDickey> Jaska, are you trying to get your card to work (graphics)?
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Jaska_, that card should provide what you need , FGLRX driver ?
[12:36] <Jaska_> it works somewhat yes but its pain in the ass to keep it working..
[12:36] <philinux> Irulan: have you changed themes?
[12:36] <Jaska_> without desktop manager it works but i get tearing and pixelation and i do not want to install desktop manager because i dont need it ;)
[12:37] <Jaska_> also had some problem scaling it right on my tv, probably some xserver tweaking should do it.. i just want it to work out of the box
[12:37] <Irulan> philinux: no, I stay with adwaita
[12:37] <mickepaprika> PatrickDickey: i would expect something to appear in some log... something like a line saying that something strange happens every 30 secs, when i notice the stop... but i don't... maybe i need to change the log level of some system (the x server?) but don't know...
[12:37] <Tr0niX> apache2: Syntax error on line 207 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open c                                                    onfiguration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory
[12:37] <Irulan> I tried removing .local/share/gnome-shell without success
[12:37] <BluesKaj> rap make sur the setting in alsa-base.conf is , options snd-hda-intel index=0 , it needs to be card "0" the default , unless yuou have other settings in phonon or pavucontrol telling it to do otherwise
[12:38] <BluesKaj> rap_hael,^
[12:38] <PatrickDickey> Jaska_: try the link in here http://askubuntu.com/questions/202857/cant-install-ati-proprietary-drivers-in-12-10/202885#202885 The link goes to the ATI beta drivers for Ubuntu 12.10
[12:39] <PatrickDickey> mickepaprika: I don't think it's anything that's being logged though. I think that the computer is telling the graphics card to show you something, but the card is hanging up while doing it.
[12:39] <mickepaprika> Tr0niX: so on line 207 in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf there is an include for /etc/apache2/httpd.conf, and that file doesn't exist anymore? try commenting out that line
[12:39] <philinux> Irulan: i would purge and reinstall gnome-shell
[12:39] <PatrickDickey> Irulan: do any of the other desktops work, or do you just have Gnome3 installed?
[12:39] <Tr0niX> micke: sould I not create a new conf?
[12:39] <ramonmed> all: how i can found the live cd source code? i want to know how ubuntu give a shell on the live cd
[12:39] <Tr0niX> or how to get a default apache conf?
[12:40] <Jaska_> PatrickDickey: I'll give that a go, thanks
[12:40] <mr-rich> how do I turn off the screensaver password?
[12:40] <mickepaprika> PatrickDickey: ah could be... but what would that be? it is so regular... the stop happens with exact regular intervals
[12:40] <Irulan> PatrickDickey: gnome-fallback works
[12:40] <BluesKaj> Jaska_, for what it's worth I have a cheap 50buck nvidia 8400gs card connected to our panasonic plasma tv without any problems. ATI suffers from linux neglect I'm afraid
[12:40] <PatrickDickey> Jaska_: Good luck. I hope it works out for you.
[12:40] <Lil> PatrickDickey; Messing with the resolutions hasn't helped.. I think its about time to pull out the BFH ;P
[12:41] <PatrickDickey> Lil, if that doesn't work, try the RBFH. ;-)
[12:41] <Jaska_> BluesKaj: ah ok
[12:41] <Lil> lmao, i was worried you wouldn't get that..
[12:41] <PatrickDickey> Seriously Lil, you could google changing resolution on xrdp and see what it comes up with.
[12:42]  * PatrickDickey giving away my trade secrets. I have three tabs open to Google right now. :P
[12:42] <Lil> i've googled till blue in the face.. not a whole lot of help regarding xrdp :/
[12:45] <curious95__> how to unmount a swap file system??
[12:46] <MonkeyDust> curious95__  swapoff -a
[12:46] <rap_hael> BluesKaj: alsa shows the card, i assume it's correctly discovered, i do not use kde or gnome, just awesome with basic settings, but maybe this bug is same as mine https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1060908
[12:46] <curious95__> thanks MonkeyDust
[12:46] <curious95__> umount didnt work :)
[12:46] <PatrickDickey> Lil try this http://www.novell.com/support/kb/doc.php?id=7003301 See if that fixes the problem.
[12:47] <PatrickDickey> curious95__:  swapoff
[12:47] <Irulan> philinux: I also purged gjs, gnome-shell-common and libgjs0c ; but no luck
[12:47] <medievaltiger> Hi guys,  I am trying to set up a simple cron job to run a rake task every minute but haven't been able to get it working.  I have edited the crontab file and cron is running but it does not seem to be running the command.
[12:47] <medievaltiger> This is my crontab file: https://gist.github.com/3952345
[12:47] <PatrickDickey> Sorry, I didn't see that MonkeyDust posted that too.
[12:47] <philinux> Irulan: what about shell extensions
[12:48] <Rallias> Would it be possible to use 2 100mbit ethernet cards with the same IP address to be able to pull 200 mbit/s?
[12:49] <bindi> Rallias: no
[12:49] <Irulan> philinux: thez where removed when I dropped .local/share/gnome-shell
[12:50] <PatrickDickey> medievaltiger: what happens when you run that comnmand from a terminal window?
[12:50] <bindi> Rallias: you need LACP/trunk/teaming/802.3ad (whatever it's called, same thing) support from two machines and the switch (in your router or your external switch) to gain from it.
[12:51] <bindi> Rallias: a single TCP connection can still only get max 100 Mbps, so you'd want that only if you need two 100 Mbps transfers at the same time
[12:51] <medievaltiger> they work
[12:51] <medievaltiger> when i run them as root
[12:51] <subz3r0> bindi, nic-teaming or bonding doesnt work? mhh?
[12:51] <bindi> subz3r0: what do you mean?
[12:51] <PatrickDickey> And when you did the crontab -e, did you do it as sudo crontab -e?
[12:52] <subz3r0> like i said
[12:52] <Rallias> oh.
[12:52] <subz3r0> bundle two nics to one
[12:52] <bindi> subz3r0: you can't get twice the speed with teaming
[12:52] <bindi> per tcp connection
[12:52] <subz3r0> thats right, but you can bundle them
[12:52] <medievaltiger> I did sudo bash and then crontab -e.
[12:52] <bindi> no but he asked if it's possible to pull 200 Mbps
[12:52] <subz3r0> maybe i missunderstood your answer. but its ofc faster than 100mbit with 2x 100mbut
[12:52] <bindi> how come?
[12:53] <bindi>  again, if you do a file transfer with two machines that have 2x100 Mbps  bonded connections, you get 100 Mbps
[12:53] <PatrickDickey> medievaltiger: try just sudo crontab -e and see if it's listed there. if not, then put it in.
[12:53] <bindi> unless the file transfer protocol/program whatever supports something like iscsi multipathing i guess
[12:53] <subz3r0> two machines? thought its about 2 nics in one machine... anyway..
[12:53] <subz3r0> teaming or bonding works
[12:53] <bindi> sure, it works, but it doesnt give him what he wants
[12:53] <bindi> subz3r0: ideally you'd want to use bonding on two machines
[12:54] <bindi> unless you're looking for redundancy
[12:54] <medievaltiger> yep, it is in there.  Do I need to restart cron or should it just start working?
[12:54] <philinux> Irulan: try creating a new user and see if GS works. if so some config in your user is borked
[12:54] <subz3r0> indeed. but its faster than 100mbit... overhead here and there etc.. bla... but more faster than just one nic... and more redundant...
[12:54] <bindi> how is it faster than one nic?
[12:55] <subz3r0> its more offtopic.. but give ifenslave-2.6 a shot
[12:55] <PatrickDickey> It should just start working.
[12:56] <peto_> hi
[12:56] <PatrickDickey> hi peto
[12:56] <subz3r0> give the same mac to both nics and just give it a shot... it is faster
[12:56] <peto_> hello patCorkv1_0
[12:56] <peto_> hello PatrickDickey
[12:56] <subz3r0> actualy i get 15mb/s with 2nics
[12:57] <medievaltiger> PatrickDickey:   Right ok.  Any ideas on what to try next?
[12:58] <PatrickDickey> medievaltiger: you could put the actual command into a bash script, and just call that instead. That way if it's requiring something like gems, you can take care of that in the script.
[12:59] <subz3r0> bindi, well 15-17,5mb/s
[12:59] <PatrickDickey> Other than that, I'm not sure. Everything that I do in cron, is in bash scripts.
[12:59] <mcb_1> I upgraded to Xubuntu 12.10 and now i cant mount DVD/CD. Running as root: If I try $mount /dev/cdrom2 /mnt ; I get can`t read superblock. If i try: $mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom2 /mnt; I get: Wrong fs type. Does anyone know what I can do. I worked before upgrading.
[13:00] <itsme20121991> Thank you jordan , your suggestion helped, I am using Ubuntu 12.10 now and all my partions are intact
[13:00] <CrazyHorse18> medievaltiger: if you want something that just tests if it's working  do echo 'bla' > /home/youruserdir/test.txt
[13:00] <CrazyHorse18> add that to your cron job for every in
[13:00] <CrazyHorse18> oh sorry do >>
[13:00] <CrazyHorse18> echo 'bla' >> /home/youruserdir/test.txt
[13:02] <medievaltiger> PatrickDickey:  CrazyHorse18:  Ok, I might test if cron is actually working.  If that works then I will try sticking the command in a bash script.  Thanks for the help :D
[13:02] <bjaanes> Hey, someone wanna help me find out why I dont get amazon results in dash?
[13:02]  * PatrickDickey thinks that's a first
[13:03] <Irulan> philinux: PatrickDickey: I locked myself ou trying to open another user, and after reboot all is working
[13:03] <CrazyHorse18> PatrickDickey: don't people normally say thankyou?
[13:03] <philinux> Irulan: reboot FTW !
[13:03] <CrazyHorse18> i always do
[13:03] <PatrickDickey> LOL No, I meant bjaanes question. I thought most people wanted to remove the shopping lens.  I knew I should have clarified that. :S
[13:03] <shroud> bindi: the bandwidth you get from an aggregated link depends on a number of factors, you might want to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_aggregation#Order_of_frames
[13:03] <MonkeyDust> reboot is the windows trick
[13:04] <bjaanes> Heh, well I dont got it - and I actually want it xD
[13:04] <philinux> sometimes ubuntu too. rarely thankfully
[13:04] <PatrickDickey> bjaanes: You're on Ubuntu 12.10 right?
[13:04] <philinux> Irulan: probably a logout and in would have done it
[13:04] <subz3r0> shroud, :>
[13:04] <Irulan> I went back to 3.5.0, BTW
[13:05] <bjaanes> PatrickDickey, yes, and I have remote searches on. I get ubuntu one music results - but not amazon
[13:05] <philinux> Irulan: where you using a ppa?
[13:05] <Irulan> first try booting 3.5 didn't work
[13:05] <PatrickDickey> bjaanes: sudo apt-get install unity-lens-shopping maybe?
[13:06] <bjaanes> ̈́PatrickDickey, like I said, i get results from Ubuntu One Music. So the shopping lens is installed and active
[13:06] <Irulan> philinux: I use webupd8
[13:06] <bjaanes> Have tried reinstalling it though
[13:06] <MonkeyDust> Irulan  what's the outcome of lsb_release -sd ?
[13:06] <bjaanes> And this happens on all my computers btw
[13:06] <Irulan> MonkeyDust:  Ubuntu 12.10
[13:07] <andrea__> hi
[13:07] <PatrickDickey> bjaanes: And in System Settings -> Privacy, you have it turned on?
[13:07] <bjaanes> PatrickDickey, yes
[13:07] <mcb_1> I upgraded to Xubuntu 12.10 and now i can not mount DVD/CD. Running as root: If I try $mount /dev/cdrom2 /mnt ; I get can`t read superblock. If i try: $mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom2 /mnt; I get: Wrong fs type. Does anyone know what I can do. It worked fine before upgrading.
[13:07] <NickNolte> WWW.JIZZDAY.COM
[13:07] <NickNolte> WWW.JIZZDAY.COM
[13:07] <NickNolte> WWW.JIZZDAY.COM
[13:07] <FloodBot1> NickNolte: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:07] <andrea__> it is the right to ask about youtube videos? i can't see any video on the internet
[13:08] <lazarus_> why is this failing http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304840/
[13:08] <fluitfries> i'm using file-roller to make a 78 gig archive, but everytime it pops a generic error "adding files".  it still makes the archive tho.  is there a log somewhere i can check?
[13:09] <MonkeyDust>  lazarus_ better ask in the channel #bash
[13:09] <kunji> andrea__: sure you can ask, I don't know too much about it, but have you installed flash?
[13:09] <dgjones> ck DJsJes
[13:09] <andrea__> i tried almost everything , i also re-installed ubuntu yesterday
[13:09] <andrea__> nothing seems to work
[13:10] <PatrickDickey> andrea__: Is it just videos at youtube, or any video anywhere?
[13:10] <kunji> fluitfries: I'm not sure where/if they log, but the syslog is always a good place to check.
[13:10] <andrea__> any videos
[13:10] <kunji> andrea__: even html5?  Also, do local videos play?
[13:11] <fluitfries> kunji, is there a gui for that in lubuntu, or can i just check it in terminal?
[13:11] <andrea__> iwhat does it mean local videos?
[13:11] <PatrickDickey> !flash | andrea__
[13:12] <PatrickDickey> Try that link andrea__. It might help you out. Most likely you're missing flash or a codec.
[13:12] <andrea__> i ll have a check on that forum,
[13:13] <carl__> I updated last night and after doing so I could not access my Folders from file manager
[13:13] <Welington> \j #ubuntu-br
[13:14] <carl__> can anyone help?
[13:14] <kunji> fluitfries: You can do either, I'm not sure what the menu entry for lubuntu is though, in regular ubuntu it is at Menu -> System Tools -> Log File Viewer   (for the older alacarte menus, I'm also not sure where it is in Unity, but searching for the Log File Viewer in their menu should bring it up.  On the command line you can use "cat /var/log/syslog" to print the whole thing to the terminal, or "tail /var/log/syslog" to see the last 10 lin
[13:14] <andrea__> thanks, but when i installed yesterday i ve chosen to install even the copyrighted format, isn't that to make flash working?
[13:15] <fluitfries> kunji, ty much
[13:15] <Lofs> I am not being able to view any video on youtube, the net speed is just fine, but the video does'nt start. (YouTube is working fine but I am not being able to view any video). Can anyone help me please?
[13:16] <carl__> When I open file manager I see the folders but when I try to open one the screen goes dim and file manager closes after a long deley.
[13:18] <kunji> carl__: that's not good... the file manager is crashing, I've got no idea why though (offhand) and I need to go to class, hopefully someone else can help further, good luck.
[13:18] <PatrickDickey> Lofs, do you have flash installed?
[13:18] <ArcaneWater> Hello, i want to ask is it better to leave space for dual boot when u are installing windows, or is the same if i then delete drive and make space for ubuntu?
[13:19] <PatrickDickey> !flash > Lofs
[13:19] <kunji> Lofs: I think PatrickDickey is helping andrea__ with a similar problem right now, so see what goes on with that, and he can maybe help you out after that
[13:19] <Lofs> PatrickDickey: Everything worked fine till yesterday! So yes!
[13:19] <carl__> Thanks, yes I was pretty sure it wasn't good.
[13:19] <MonkeyDust> ArcaneWater  linux does not need as much space, but i guess it's always better to have both win and lin available
[13:19] <PatrickDickey> ArcaneWater: if you're going to dual boot, I'd leave the space before you start. I wouldn't try to shrink Windows after the fact.
[13:20] <andrea__> sorry, to install the restricted extras the sistem ask me to delete the /Libav codec library/ and the /Libav utility library/, is that right?
[13:20] <PatrickDickey> Lofs, what happened yesterday? Updates or something that may have broke it?
[13:20] <Cheery> I have a problem.
[13:20] <Cheery> ubuntu .iso is 753MB, but my CD is only 7000MB
[13:20] <PatrickDickey> andrea__: Yes. It'll install a proprietary version (closed source) of them.
[13:20] <ArcaneWater> PatricDickey i am not planing on shrinking i plan to make 2 partiotions first and then when i start installing linux i will format the D partition to use for linux
[13:20] <Cheery> 700*
[13:20] <carl__> File Manager crashing after latest update, please help
[13:21] <PatrickDickey> Cheery: burn it to a dvd.
[13:21] <Lofs> I updated my laptop today. ANd after that it does'nt seem to work
[13:21] <andrea__> oky docky, i ll have a try
[13:21] <Cheery> PatrickDickey: unfortunately I only have 700MB CD-Rs
[13:21] <PatrickDickey> Lofs, you might have to reinstall flash. Or install some of the restricted extras.
[13:21] <excervo> Cheery, use usb to install ubuntu
[13:22] <PatrickDickey> Cheery, are you on Ubuntu 12.04 right now?
[13:22] <Archie> Cheery: install from usb
[13:22] <Lofs> Okay, I will reinstall it then! Thanks :)
[13:22] <Cheery> PatrickDickey: yes, although it's updated many times
[13:22] <Cheery> PatrickDickey: anyway this is for another computer, that has debian in it at the moment
[13:22] <PatrickDickey> Cheery do you want to upgrade what you have, or a clean install?
[13:22] <fai> hi, I was wondering  whether 12.10 has a built-in desktop environment?
[13:23] <Cheery> I think I'll want clean install for my old computer after this.
[13:23] <PatrickDickey> Ahhh. I'd go with the other suggestions then, if it can boot to a USB drive.
[13:23] <ThinkT510> fai: default is unity
[13:23] <PatrickDickey> fai, it has the ubuntu-desktop (Unity). And, you can install others if you don't like that one.
[13:23] <Cheery> PatrickDickey: or umm.. I can't really remove something from that .iso any way?
[13:23] <fai> Although I installed it on my vm, it never starts.
[13:23] <PatrickDickey> Cheery nope.
[13:24] <fai> The terminal always starts up
[13:24] <PatrickDickey> fai, after you log in, type startx and see if that starts it.
[13:24] <ThinkT510> fai: did you install the server edition?
[13:24] <MonkeyDust> Cheery  guess you need remastersys (if that still exists)
[13:24] <Cheery> PatrickDickey: well there's no point dragging this further. I think I'll go and see if I'll find 800MB CD-R or a dvd
[13:24] <PatrickDickey> Cheery, you'll have to get a DVD.
[13:24] <Cheery> I tried linux mint and debian already, because I was bored to ubuntu.
[13:24] <fai> nope, I've installed the desktop edition. When I type startx, it initiates the x environment for once.
[13:25] <PatrickDickey> Cheery or install it via a USB drive.
[13:25] <Cheery> I can't, it's old machine
[13:25] <carl__> 12.04 latest update caused "File Manager" to crash when opening folders, can anyone help, please?
[13:25] <PatrickDickey> Cheery, there's a long route that you could take.  Install 12.04 and use the upgrade manager.
[13:26] <Cheery> PatrickDickey: naah. I guess I'll go and buy some DVDs.
[13:26] <PatrickDickey> Cheery, good idea. ;-) They come in useful for other things too.
[13:26] <Cheery> actually.. I can use USB sticks for anything else and they are more versatile than DVDs
[13:26] <roddy> What is the best source for setting up virtual hosts on Ubuntu using Apache2, PHP, and MySQL?
[13:27] <MonkeyDust> roddy  guess the guys in #ubuntu-server can help better
[13:27] <Cheery> PatrickDickey: although there's not much in saying "no can do", I enjoyed chatting with you.
[13:28] <excervo> roddy,i use xammp
[13:28] <Cheery> PatrickDickey: thank you.
[13:28] <PatrickDickey> Cheery, I enjoyed chatting with you also. And I hope you're able to get updated.
[13:28] <PatrickDickey> Cheery, not a problem.
[13:28] <User123> Help me, ubuntu stopped detecting my monitor, it was working fine lately.
[13:28] <b00b00> hello
[13:28] <roddy> I want to do it from scratch, for in this way I know what is going on.
[13:29] <b00b00> how i tell apache to load mono with --gc=sgen parameter? (ubuntu default packages)
[13:29] <Cheery> PatrickDickey: only ubuntu seems to be able to handle apt -packages.
[13:29] <roddy> OK, MonkeyDust, I will try the #ubuntu-server.  Thanks for the tip.
[13:30] <Cheery> how much work goes into apt alone?
[13:30] <User123> Anyone? I want to watch film on screen, not on laptop :(
[13:30] <Cheery> that is, having all the packages updated
[13:30] <lunaphyte_> roddy: the documentation for apache httpd?
[13:30] <PatrickDickey> Cheery, actually Debian and Fedora can handle them too. Sort of. Apt has an RPM version for Fedora.
[13:31] <Cheery> PatrickDickey: yeah, but debian stable seems to have so old packages
[13:31] <PatrickDickey> User123: Do you have an external monitor connection on the laptop?
[13:31] <PatrickDickey> Cheery, that's because Ubuntu is using Debian unstable (or debian testing, I don't remember which).
[13:32] <Cheery> interesting!
[13:32] <medievaltiger> PatrickDickey:  I added this to the crontab:
[13:32] <medievaltiger> * * * * * root echo 'bla' >> /home/tiger/test.txt
[13:32] <medievaltiger> Then ran this:
[13:32] <medievaltiger> tail -f  /var/log/syslog | grep CRON
[13:32] <User123> PatrickDickey, yes. Monitor is working but in wrong resolution, the same as my laptop monitor. OS sees them both as laptop.
[13:32] <medievaltiger> Then this is coming up:
[13:32] <medievaltiger> Oct 25 23:55:01 (none) CRON[7180]: (root) CMD (root echo 'bla' >> /home/tiger/test.txt )
[13:32] <medievaltiger> Oct 25 23:56:01 (none) CRON[7219]: (root) CMD (root echo 'bla' >> /home/tiger/test.txt )
[13:32] <medievaltiger> but it isn't editing the file.  Running the command in terminal edits the file.
[13:32] <PatrickDickey> Do you have a test.txt file in your home?
[13:33] <medievaltiger> I have also restarted cron and that had no effect.
[13:33] <medievaltiger> yes I do
[13:33] <PatrickDickey> Try renaming that to test.old and see if it recreates it.
[13:33] <User123> PatrickDickey, rebooting didn't helped.
[13:33] <medievaltiger> I am not sure why it says root twice in this Oct 25 23:55:01 (none) CRON[7180]: (root) CMD (root echo 'bla' >> /home/tiger/test.txt )
[13:34] <valnour> * * * * * root echo 'bla' >> /home/tiger/test.txt
[13:34] <PatrickDickey> User123: Do you have an option for "Mirror Desktops"? If so, try unchecking that, and see if it splits them up.
[13:34] <valnour> why do you have "root" in there?
[13:34] <valnour> sudo crontab -e
[13:34] <valnour> then "* * * * * echo 'bla' >> /home/tiger/test.txt"
[13:35] <andrea__> it does not work
[13:35] <PatrickDickey> valnour: Off hand, do you know anything about running a rake via cron? That's what medievaltiger is actually trying to accomplish.
[13:35] <valnour> I know how to use cron
[13:35] <PatrickDickey> andrea__: Do you get any errors or something that says "Plugin Missing"?
[13:35] <User123> PatrickDickey, I cant check or uncheck it, it can be switched only when OS detects two desktops and mine detects only one desktop. So it's unchecked right now.
[13:36] <andrea__> nope
[13:36] <andrea__> white sceen on YT window
[13:36] <medievaltiger> This is my crontab file: https://gist.github.com/3952345  it has user in the list.
[13:36] <medievaltiger> # m h dom mon dow user  command
[13:36] <mortal> apt-get build-dep mplayer does not work on quantal due to packages
[13:36] <medievaltiger> is it optional, I can try without it
[13:36] <valnour> do it without
[13:36] <AlexNagy> is anyone here familiar with gnote?
[13:37] <PatrickDickey> andrea__: Did you also look at the restricted page?
[13:37] <andrea__> the YT window looks ok, but the video doesn't go on
[13:37] <andrea__> where should i look at?
[13:37] <PatrickDickey> !Restricted | andrea__
[13:37] <valnour> medievaltiger: I wouldn't fudge with /etc/crontab... I always use `crontab -e`
[13:38] <andrea__> ok i ll have a look at those links
[13:38] <lowtax> where are the network settings saved when some idiot used the graphical tool to configure the network
[13:38] <lowtax> need to move them to debian off of this ucuntu
[13:38] <User123> PatrickDickey, any other ideas?
[13:38] <lowtax> *ubuntu
[13:38] <PatrickDickey> andrea__: You might also want to check out mediabuntu. They deal with a lot of this stuff.
[13:39] <medievaltiger> ok, giving that a shot.  I have been using crontab -e.
[13:39] <PatrickDickey> user123 I'm not sure. It's something to do with your hardware (graphics card).
[13:40] <PatrickDickey> lowtax /etc/network should have some of the information, and /etc/resolv.conf should have your DNS information.
[13:40] <User123> PatrickDickey, everything was working fine before I unplugged monitor yesterday and now it doesn't works :(
[13:40] <PatrickDickey> lowtax: Specifically /etc/network/interfaces
[13:40] <lowtax> PatrickDickey: it doesnt have anything in network
[13:40] <lowtax> no its blank
[13:40] <PatrickDickey> lowtax, what information are you looking for specifcally?
[13:41] <lowtax> PatrickDickey: well the interfaces file is blank, but it has an internet ip and routes
[13:41] <PatrickDickey> User123: Try rebooting with the monitor disconnected, and then shut down and connect it again.
[13:42] <ner0x> Any gantt chart software in the repos?
[13:42] <PatrickDickey> lowtax, Ok, but what do you need? IP Address/SubnetMask/Gateway? or something else?
[13:42] <medievaltiger> PatrickDickey:  valnour, ok that is working now :D  but the command I actually need to run,  I need to run as root
[13:42] <User123> PatrickDickey, ok, brb.
[13:42] <PatrickDickey> ner0x: you could look at openproj But I'm not sure how far along it is.
[13:43] <lowtax> PatrickDickey: when i use the same settings i think it is using on debian it doesnt work right
[13:43] <PatrickDickey> lowtax: are both the debian and ubuntu computers running at the same time?
[13:43] <ner0x> PatrickDickey: planner seems pretty nice.
[13:43] <lowtax> PatrickDickey: no
[13:43] <lowtax> PatrickDickey: i susped the ubuntu
[13:43] <roothhhhvg> hi
[13:44] <PatrickDickey> lowtax are you trying to use the same IP Address for both?
[13:44] <lowtax> yes
[13:44] <PatrickDickey> lowtax, may I ask why?
[13:44] <lowtax> because im getting rid of ubuntu
[13:45] <PatrickDickey> That didn't really answer the question. Why does it have to be the same IP Address? Are you running a server on the computer?
[13:46] <PatrickDickey> wb User123.
[13:47] <PatrickDickey> lowtax, if you're not running anything that requires that specific IP Address, then I'd put a different number in for the last part of it. See if that works.
[13:48] <lowtax> PatrickDickey: its an internet ip
[13:48] <User123> PatrickDickey, hm, monitor works but with huge lags.
[13:48] <lowtax> im trying to replace ubuntu with debian
[13:48] <skule> Running 12.04 with gnome-classic shell. When moving a window partly outside the screen, and then chage focus to another window, the first window pops right back into the screen (moves so it is 100% on the screen, but still behind the 2. window)... How do I adjust this behaviour
[13:48] <PatrickDickey> lowtax, i'm a bit confused. Are you doing this on one computer or two?
[13:48] <lowtax> two vms
[13:49] <lowtax> ubuntu didnt save the network settings in /etc/networks/interfaces
[13:49] <User123> PatrickDickey, argh, somehow video driver was installed, it causes me lags:(
[13:49] <lowtax> which doesnt make any sense
[13:49] <PatrickDickey> lowtax, and are you trying to use the same IP Address as the physical computer?
[13:49] <SharkMuttleworth> lowtax: Ubuntu likes to be non-standard
[13:49] <lowtax> SharkMuttleworth: i noticed
[13:49] <lowtax> PatrickDickey: i dont knwo what that means
[13:49] <lowtax> why would i do that
[13:49] <PatrickDickey> lowtax, you wouldn't.
[13:50] <mc__> je vous emmerde
[13:50] <PatrickDickey> Ok. lowtax. Try this. In the ubuntu computer, type ifconfig and then do the same in the debian computer.
[13:50] <MonkeyDust> !fr
[13:50] <fairuz> !fr | mc__
[13:51] <PatrickDickey> fairuz, do they have that for each locale?
[13:51] <lowtax> PatrickDickey: ok
[13:51] <fairuz> PatrickDickey: You can check the bot's page
[13:51] <fairuz> !factoid
[13:51] <PatrickDickey> lowtax in each computer, you'll see eth0 (or eth1). One of the entries below it is inet addr:. what does that say?
[13:52] <lowtax> i cant do both at the same time
[13:52] <lowtax> only oe is configured at a time
[13:52] <PatrickDickey> That's fine. pick one or the other.
[13:52] <usr13_> PatrickDickey: http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[13:53] <PatrickDickey> Also lowtax are you using virtualbox or vmware?
[13:53] <PatrickDickey> Thanks usr13_ and fairuz. I'll check the links out in a bit.  I've been /msging the bot off and on also.
[13:53] <lowtax> esxi
[13:53] <lowtax> PatrickDickey: they both say the same things
[13:54] <PatrickDickey> Can you tell me what it is?
[13:54] <MonkeyDust> !find esxi
[13:54]  * PatrickDickey is thinking he means VMWare esxi, but I could be wrong.
[13:55] <marcus_> hello, if i cannot locally login after installing vnc server, what should i do?
[13:55] <PatrickDickey> Ok, I think I needed to clarify that again....  lowtax, can you tell me what the inet addr is?
[13:55] <lowtax> where does ubuntu store the config
[13:55] <dr_willis>  marcus_ console logins fail?
[13:55] <MonkeyDust> lowtax  look in ~/.config
[13:55] <marcus_> no
[13:56] <lowtax>  /etc/network/interfaces is blank
[13:56] <lowtax> yet there are routes and configuration set
[13:56] <usr13_> lowtax: ifconfig |grep Bcast
[13:56] <fluitfries> can anyone suggest a log file viewer that is not part of gnome?  i am running lubuntu and i need to access the archived syslogs, but i don't wanna do it all by terminal.
[13:57] <AlexNagy> does anyone know where gnote stores your notes on the disk? I need to transfer them to another machine
[13:57] <rng_> hi all, my skype is hunging. i am using version 4 . Everytime i have to restart that. Can anyone resolve this
[13:58] <usr13_> lowtax: By default, routes and network configurations are set by the info received from your LAN's dhcp server
[13:59] <craigbass1976> Is there a way to ping everything on the network?  I'm plugged into a single device (linksys wireless access point that doesn't appear to be on the default ip even after a reset) but I don't know what the ip is.
[13:59] <marcus_> hello, if i cannot locally login after installing vnc server, what should i do? ( lubuntu )
[13:59] <dr_willis> craigbass1976:  nmap has the featurrs.
[14:00] <wols> which should be needed. simple arp should work well enough
[14:00] <usr13_> lowtax: .... when your network interface is set to dhcp (which is the default setting
[14:00] <wols> marcus_: what happens?
[14:00] <dr_willis> marcus_: more details would help. what vnc server. what happens ....
[14:00] <marcus_> it just give some text "Shutting down Blah, shutting down blah" and DONE after each..
[14:00] <marcus_> vnc4server
[14:01] <dr_willis> marcus_: how are yiu logging in exactly?
[14:01] <wols> dr_willis: IIRC vnc4server replaces X servers basically
[14:01] <craigbass1976> man nmap
[14:01] <PatrickDickey> lowtax, try shutting the ubuntu vm down completely. Then try restarting the debian one. Tell me if that makes it work.
[14:01] <marcus_> by gui
[14:01] <craigbass1976> gah... sorry
[14:01] <dr_willis> wols:  err.. no its dosent
[14:02] <marcus_> i can login everytime im making new user in ctrl+alt+f1 but its annoying :{
[14:02] <sachael> anyone using finch with the skype plugin?
[14:02] <fairuz> rng_: Even in Windows, eventually it will jsut hangs :)
[14:02] <CharlieSu> Hi all.  I'm using the internal-sftp of SSHD to run a chroot'ed SFTP server on a box.  Is there a good way to log this SFTP activity?  Not just logins, but file downloads and uploads too?
[14:02] <dr_willis> vnc4server can run with no local x server running/visible
[14:03] <rap_hael> BluesKaj: just for information, i got back to last precise kernel, and sound works again, thanks for your help
[14:03] <rng_> fairuz: is there any solution for that.
[14:03] <dr_willis> marcus_: its not clear what tyou mean ny that
[14:03] <lowtax> it is set for static
[14:03] <fairuz> rng_: I have no idea, sorry.
[14:03] <lowtax> i checked the dhcp server first when is aw interfaces file was empty
[14:03] <lowtax> but ubuntu just doesnt use interfaces file it uses graphcial ui
[14:03] <rng_> fairuz: its ok :)
[14:04] <BluesKaj>  rap_hael , I hope it works after the next kernel upgrade
[14:04] <marcus_> @dr_willis: i create an user in terminal, and i login on it with gui, works, but i reboot, doesnt work..
[14:04] <blackshirt> lowtax, for desktop, network config was handled by network-manager
[14:04] <craigbass1976> dr_willis, you think even if the thing is on a different subnet?
[14:04] <lowtax> yes some idiot used desktop ubuntu for a server
[14:04] <lowtax> where is the config file for notwork-manager
[14:05] <rap_hael> BluesKaj: i hope too :)
[14:05] <rap_hael> i submitted a bugreport anyway
[14:05] <blackshirt> lowtax, usually, config files resides on /etc dir
[14:05] <lowtax> just tell me where ubuntu puts the config file
[14:06] <BluesKaj> lowtax, /etc/network/interfaces
[14:06] <lowtax> no it is empty
[14:06] <lowtax> i already said that
[14:07] <Cheery> raspberry pi would enable all sort of experiments with desktop compositing, anyone interested?
[14:07] <blackshirt> lowtak, /etc/NetworkManager/
[14:07] <usr13_> /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
[14:07] <dr_willis> marcus_: i don't see how that would be vnc related
[14:07] <PatrickDickey> lowtax, I just read a forum post that says that Network Manager doesn't actually store the settings. it uses dbus
[14:07] <lowtax> network manager sucks
[14:08] <marcus_> well, its a fresh install, and everything worked, till i installed vnc.. i even did 2 fresh installs :{
[14:08] <BluesKaj> lowtax, add this ,
[14:08] <BluesKaj> auto lo
[14:08] <BluesKaj> iface lo inet loopback
[14:08] <bennypr0fane> hello, if there's anyone still here who followed my issue before with mounting an ntfs partition, I found the solution! You need to mount it as a different fs *type* to get read/write access. first install the package "ntfs-3g", then mount the partition in /etc/fstab as ntfs-3g.
[14:08] <usr13_> lowtax: It's now a number of files, so also look in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/
[14:08] <gordonjcp> bennypr0fane: yup
[14:08] <lowtax> /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/Auto eth0    has only dns...and....two ips for addresses1=
[14:09] <dr_willis> marcus_: untill you run the vncserver cimmand the vnc4server does nothing
[14:09] <usr13_> lowtax: If you don't like networkmanager, uninstall it.
[14:09] <lowtax> im uninstalling ubuntu
[14:09] <BluesKaj> lowtax,  http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[14:09] <lowtax> but im trying to port its network config to debian
[14:09] <bennypr0fane> found after reading more closely here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions#Systemwide_Mounts
[14:09] <lowtax> its not dhcp it is static
[14:09] <marcus_> kk, well do you think its better to install ubuntu, less bugs?:{, i cant see problem..
[14:10] <bennypr0fane> for options in used the ones in teh example: rw,auto,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000
[14:10] <lowtax> addresses1=x.x.x.110;27;x.x.x.65
[14:10] <lowtax> wtf?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> yup ,this helps you use static , so you can dump networkmanager
[14:10] <lowtax> random 27
[14:10] <jpds> lowtax: You want static IPs?
[14:10] <lowtax> BluesKaj: ok thanks
[14:11] <lowtax> i want to move this network configuration to a debian box
[14:11] <lowtax> but...its so ...convoluted
[14:11] <lowtax> on ubuntu
[14:12] <PatrickDickey> lowtax, is your computer directly connected to your modem?
[14:12] <Pici> lowtax: its gnome, not Ubuntu's fault that this is stored like this.
[14:12] <usr13_> lowtax: The package name is network-manager
[14:13] <PatrickDickey> And there's a README file zipped up in /usr/share/docs/network-manager.
[14:13] <dr_willis> marcus_: login in as one of your users. at the console.  move everything or delete the settings files in ther home dir. see if they can loginto x.  also test the startx command
[14:13] <lowtax> gnome did this?
[14:13] <lowtax> i dont use gnome since 1998
[14:13] <PatrickDickey> lowtax, yes. Network-Manger is a Gnome app.
[14:13] <usr13_> lowtax: Another route is to have your router issue static leases
[14:13] <lowtax> idiots
[14:13] <PatrickDickey> lowtax: Unity is a shell for Gnome.
[14:13] <lowtax> ..
[14:14] <blackshirt> patrickdickey, not network-manager, but network-manager-gnome was specify for gnome
[14:14] <PatrickDickey> sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces auto eth0 (next line) eth0 inet dhcp
[14:14] <djlynux> hey guys I have a question..the screen brightness is not saved permanantly in my laptop...each restart it goes back to full brightness..any help will be appreciated. I'm using dell studio laptop..cheers
[14:14] <david> David Vu
[14:15] <PatrickDickey> replace eth0 with whatever the eth# is (eth1 for example).
[14:15] <usr13_> lowtax: Which is what I do, I just leave the PCs in default dhcp and have the router issue static leases for any and all PCs that I need to access regularly.
[14:15] <lowtax> not my router
[14:16] <BluesKaj> PatrickDickey, he wants dhcp to convert to static
[14:16] <lowtax> its static in nutwork manager, im trying to make it static in debian
[14:16] <lowtax> stupid gnome
[14:16] <PatrickDickey> lowtax: One thing we're not asking is this: in esxi, do you have it using bridged connections, or NAT? Or is it trying to get the IP Address from the router?
[14:17] <lowtax> same configuration
[14:17] <usr13_> lowtax: edit /etc/network/interfaces
[14:17] <lowtax> its its  DMZ with same mac
[14:17] <PatrickDickey> lowtax follow the instructions here for setting up a static IP Address https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html
[14:18] <PatrickDickey> lowtax just DON'T use the same IP Address for the ubuntu vm, the debian vm, and your physical computer. It won't work.
[14:18] <lowtax> im not
[14:19] <lowtax> why would you manually add routes...
[14:19] <lowtax> when you reboot they are gone
[14:19] <PatrickDickey> Keep scrolling down.
[14:19] <lowtax> ctrl + w
[14:19] <PatrickDickey> lol I don't know why they have that. But someone does it.
[14:19] <CharlieSu> Does anyone know how to setup logging with SFTP ?
[14:19] <lowtax> terrible guide
[14:19] <PatrickDickey> Why's the configuration a DMZ?
[14:20] <PatrickDickey> lowtax:  It's the first one that I found. They've got docs on the community site for this also.
[14:20] <fluitfries> i dont see the file-roller errors in my syslog.  does anyone know where they might be?
[14:20] <usr13_> DMZs are set by routers.
[14:20] <lowtax> esxi is a router
[14:20] <PatrickDickey> Ok, and the virtual machines are running on the router?
[14:21] <blackshirt> lowtax, if you manage your network interfaces, through /etc/network/interfaces on desktop system, disable managed = true on network-manager config files
[14:21] <PatrickDickey> yes, I realize that sounds like an odd question, but I'm trying to get a grasp of what you told me earllier, and what you're saying now.
[14:22] <lowtax> i dont know
[14:22] <lowtax> it just says SIOCADDRT
[14:22] <lowtax> error
[14:23] <hairybears> I'm trying to set up NetBeans on Ubuntu 10.04, but I get this error: Cannot find java. Please use the --jdkhome switch.
[14:23] <usr13_> lowtax: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html
[14:23] <lowtax> already read it
[14:23] <PatrickDickey> hairybears did you download the version of netbeans with the jre included?
[14:23] <hairybears> i used the repo one
[14:24] <PatrickDickey> did you install sun-java also?
[14:24] <usr13_> blackshirt: lowtax ... or sudo apt-get remove network-manager
[14:24] <hairybears> it installed OpenJDK as well, but it can't find java
[14:24] <lowtax> im not using network manager
[14:24] <lowtax> why would i remove it
[14:24] <hairybears> i can't use Sun Java, it's not in the repos and I prefer OpenJDK
[14:25] <usr13_> lowtax: I don't know.  You tell me.
[14:25] <hairybears> java doesn't even work and update-java-alternatives pretends OpenJDK isn't installed, even though it lists it
[14:26] <PatrickDickey> hairybears type whereis java in a terminal.  It should come up with something like /usr/bin/java you could put that for the --javahome
[14:26] <thyagu> hi
[14:27] <hairybears> whereis tells me it lives in /usr/share
[14:27] <hairybears> that's bullcrap
[14:27] <rap_hael> lowtax: even if you don't use network manager, i does things
[14:27] <PatrickDickey> hairybears: I've got it there too. But I have it in /usr/bin/java also.
[14:28] <PatrickDickey> hairybears: One other alternative is to download it from netbeans.org and install it via their instructions.
[14:28] <usr13_> rap_hael: I think he's already seen the error of his last question.
[14:28] <hairybears> bash: /usr/bin/java: No such file or directory
[14:29] <hairybears> the jre and jdk is installed
[14:29] <PatrickDickey> usr13_: I think this is more a question for the VMWare channel. They'll be able to tell him how to configure his networks better than we can.
[14:29] <hairybears> i see them in /usr/lib/jvm
[14:29] <PatrickDickey> hairybears: Do you have a java file that you can try?
[14:30] <usr13_> PatrickDickey: Oh, well, glad you told me.  I didn't even know it was a virtual host or client.  ...may have been able to give more specific advise.
[14:31] <PatrickDickey> usr13_: I think you were afk when he said they were both in vm's and that he's suspending the ubntu one and trying the configurations on the debian one.
[14:31]  * PatrickDickey didn't know that VMWare esxi could act like a router... :S
[14:32] <hairybears> javac gets me nowhere
[14:32] <hairybears> can't find java
[14:32] <hairybears> can't find java
[14:32] <hairybears> but it's installed
[14:32] <FloodBot1> hairybears: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:33] <hairybears> wtf
[14:33] <PatrickDickey> hairybears: you installed open-jdk right?
[14:33] <yyu> where is the gtk api mannual?
[14:34] <hairybears> yes
[14:34] <hairybears> it's a dependency after all
[14:34] <bluesypher> hey
[14:35] <PatrickDickey> hairybears: http://netbeans.org/downloads/ I'd just get it from there. Whatever they require for installation, go through their steps.
[14:35] <PatrickDickey> hey bluesypher
[14:36] <yyu> i want to learn how to use gtk_scrolled_window_new,but i can not use 'man' cmd
[14:38] <Rallias> I have a libpam-based 2 factor authentication module. How do I make it so it's used for when I do "su -l username"?
[14:39] <bluegoon> guys how do I kill a process?
[14:39] <bluegoon> ushare is just hanging there, i tried pkill but it refuses to die
[14:39] <shahriyar> is there a new improvement on Optimus technology ? (I've just reinstalled precise pangolin again and amazed with new feature, it showed my additional drivers -nVidia GeForce 540M, previously I installed ubuntu and saw Intel HD support enabled and now this..i didnt test additional drivers yet, i've a limited bandwith and now it has maxed out tarrif pack.,  128 kb/s heh)
[14:40] <usr13_> bluegoon: might look at htop or top
[14:40] <dr_willis> kill -9 or killall
[14:40] <bluegoon> usr13, , thank you
[14:40] <bluegoon> dr_willis, thanks
[14:40] <Kroach> bluegoon: or killall -s KILL
[14:40] <usr13_> bluegoon: Or as dr_willis suggests -9 or -15
[14:41] <bluegoon> I tried sudo killall -e ushare
[14:41] <PatrickDickey> bbl. It's almost bedtime for bonzo.
[14:41] <usr13_> bluegoon: try -9
[14:41] <dr_willis> shahriyar: its constantly being improved i inmagine
[14:41] <PatrickDickey> ps aux | grep ushare then kill whatever the process ID is
[14:42] <bluegoon> OK lemme try that
[14:42] <dr_willis> n
[14:44] <shahriyar> dr_willis: now maybe i won't need bumblebee, it's cool
[14:46] <rizzi771> ciao
[14:46] <yyu> is there any cmd like "sudo apt-get install manpages-dev" so that i can look up gtk api?
[14:48] <jrib> yyu: probably not :/
[14:48] <_cronus_> yyu, maybe libgtk-3-doc is what you are after
[14:49] <jrib> yyu: you can certainly install the docs to /usr/share/doc but not as manpages afaik
[14:49] <yyu> ok,let me try it.
[14:50] <_cronus_> jrib, isnt devhelp the browser for the developer gtk docs? i'm not sure...
[14:50] <jrib> _cronus_: yes, though I just use my web browser personally
[14:51] <_cronus_> jrib, lol, much easier, i'm sure
[14:53] <mustansir> hello
[14:54] <mustansir> Is this a ubuntu help channel??
[14:54] <jrib> mustansir: yes, welcome
[14:56] <mustansir> jrib: My display setting shows maximum resolution 1024 x 768; how to fix this problem
[14:56] <jrib> !fixres | mustansir
[14:57] <jrib> mustansir: also, make sure you have the proper drivers installed for your graphics card
[14:57] <jrib> !nvidia | mustansir
[14:57] <mustansir> Intel DH67CL motherboard ; integrated graphics
[14:58] <usr13_> mustansir: You probably already have necessary video driver modules in use.
[15:00] <Bombo> hey where can i find smbmount?
[15:01] <yourfriendisaac> how do I safely make synaptic the default package manager in 12.10?
[15:01] <jrib> yourfriendisaac: hmm, default in what way?
[15:03] <dr_willis> !find smbmount
[15:04] <jrib> well that's... not useful :)
[15:04] <darkapex> yourfriendisaac: You can always make it the default to open .deb files, right click, Properties, Open With tab, set to synaptic.
[15:04] <dr_willis> its smbmnt perhaps
[15:05] <jrib> !info smbfs
[15:05] <jrib> interesting...
[15:05] <yourfriendisaac> jrib: well to start with synaptic is no longer connected with gksudo and you have to manually use it on the command line to get it to download anything. Software center is bloated and takes forever to work
[15:05] <Toph2> why doesn't my Update Manager have the option to upgrade to 12.10?
[15:05] <Avinash> Hello Guys, I'm getting a "permission denied" while trying to run a script (I'm pretty new to unix)
[15:05] <bazhang> Toph2, set it to look for NON lts
[15:05] <Bombo> its gone
[15:05] <jrib> Toph2: by default an LTS install will only inform you about upgrades to another LTS
[15:06] <Toph2> ok,, i see
[15:06] <jrib> Avinash: pastebin what you are doing and the output
[15:06] <Avinash> ok ..
[15:06] <Kyle__> Does the monitors control panel in 12.10 (default unity desktop) allow you to properly setup a dual head Radeon HD 3450 out of the box?
[15:06] <SharkMuttleworth> Avinash: That usually indicates you don't haev permission
[15:07] <Bombo> hm so how would i mount a remote windows share then?
[15:07] <usr13_> Kyle__: Probably not.  (Which is why most of us opt for Nvidia over Radeon)
[15:07] <Bombo> mount -t smbfs won't work either
[15:07] <Bombo> mount: unknown filesystem type 'smbfs'
[15:08] <dr_willis> Bombo: isent it   cifs  these days?
[15:08] <jrib> yep
[15:08] <dr_willis> !samba
[15:08] <Bombo> dr_willis: is it?
[15:09] <Bombo> ok mount -t cifs worked
[15:09] <dr_willis> thunk its been cifs for some time ;-)
[15:09] <Bombo> did they just rename that? but why
[15:09] <Kyle__> usr13_: Sadly it's not my choice: work machine.
[15:09] <usr13_> I C
[15:09] <jrib> yourfriendisaac: synaptic used to just prompt you for your password whenever you wanted to do something that required it (like installing a package).  What does it do now?
[15:09] <Bombo> i didn't use samba on linux for some time ;)
[15:09] <usr13_> Kyle__: You may have to use xrandr
[15:09] <Kyle__> Bombo: A long time ago.  It was when they tried to make it a real standard, and act like they were releasing the specs out of helpign the tech community, rather than the truth: they were sued into releasing them.
[15:10] <Kyle__> usr13_: Humm.  I installed the lxdm (lubuntu) desktop, and the control panel in there shows both monitors, lets me disable one or the other, but that's it.  Can't disable mirroring or apply rotation or nothing.
[15:10] <mcb_1> I upgraded to Xubuntu 12.10 and now i can NOT mount DVD/CD. Running as root: If I try $mount /dev/cdrom2 /mnt ; I get can`t read superblock. If i try: $mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom2 /mnt; I get: Wrong fs type. Does anyone know what I can do. It worked fine before upgrading, automounting and all...
[15:11] <Bombo> Kyle__: hm
[15:11] <dr_willis> Kyle__: id say you need the ati config tool and drivers
[15:11] <gordonjcp> Kyle__: cifs was a well-documented and open standard long before Microsoft even had networking
[15:12] <Avinash> http://pastebin.com/ELduBY81
[15:12] <Kyle__> gordonjcp: Umm.  CIFS, the network filesystem based on server message block (aka smb), that was developed at microsoft?
[15:12] <gordonjcp> Kyle__: it used to be a DEC thing, back in the days of VMS
[15:12] <dr_willis> mcb_1: this is a data disk. not a music cd?
[15:12] <gordonjcp> Kyle__: SMB had very little to do with Microsoft
[15:13] <Kyle__> gordonjcp: Not that I don't beleive you.  but BRB, googling.
[15:13] <gordonjcp> Kyle__: it probably came across to Microsoft via Dave Cutler
[15:13] <aju> Hai all how can i connect usb net connector wth ubuntu 10.04 desktop?
[15:13] <mcb_1> dr_willis: Any disk....
[15:13] <aj__> hi...I am installing 3.2 kernel on my ubuntu 11.10 with .deb file
[15:13] <dr_willis> to the bat w
[15:13] <usr13_> gordonjcp: Kyle__ Interesting subject, (probably should be in #ubuntu-offtopic), but "before Microsoft even had networking"?
[15:13] <aj__> but it doesn't insta;;
[15:14] <aju> anyone can help me?
[15:14] <mcb_1> dr_willis: Sorry, just tested another data disk and it mounted. It is only audio Disks.
[15:14] <yourfriendisaac> jrib: first you have to install it. It does not even come as a default option. After that you cannot simply click on it to get gksudo working. there are no options like in gnome2 panel to change properties for the icons in unity. After downloading and using synaptic with no extra commands it reports that you will be doing so without supervisor privileges.
[15:14] <dr_willis> aj__: best would be to use a ppa with the newer stuff.
[15:14] <dr_willis> mcb_1:  you dont mount audio cds
[15:15] <jrib> yourfriendisaac: so what happens if you just run synaptic as a user and then try to install a package?
[15:15] <usr13_> aj__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[15:15] <aj__> I want 3.2 version only...I need to install mptcp which is supported with 3.2 kernel version only
[15:15] <mcb_1> OK. But why no music player is able to loud any CD?
[15:15] <Avinash> can anyone help me with this http://pastebin.com/ELduBY81
[15:15] <yourfriendisaac> jrib: The package managers will no allow downloading without supervisor privileges
[15:15] <mcb_1> dr_willis: OK. But why no music player is able to load any CD?
[15:16] <Kyle__> gordonjcp: Hu.  I really didn't know most of this history of it.  I knew it used to be ipx not tcp, and that's why netbios had to run.  Apparently the switch to pure TCP was when they pushed to rename it CIFS.  1996
[15:16] <Kyle__> dr_willis: (sorry fo rthe delay), the ati tool only works with the ati drivers, correct?
[15:16] <dr_willis> mcb_1: i would guess they are looking at /dev/cdrom not cdron2
[15:16] <dr_willis> Kyle__: yed
[15:16] <jrib> yourfriendisaac: does it give you a message of some kind?  In the past it used to just prompt you for your password
[15:16] <dr_willis> yes
[15:16] <mcb_1> dr_willis:  Good point! I`ll try to ln cdrom to cdrom2...
[15:17] <dr_willis>   /dev/cdrom is normally a link to /dev/sr#
[15:17] <dr_willis> find the real device. ;-)
[15:17] <yourfriendisaac> jrib: Thats what I'm saying it doesnt prompt unless you change properties
[15:18] <jrib> yourfriendisaac: so why not change the properties?  Or do you want to accomplish something else?
[15:18] <dr_willis> i wonder why Dreadtower  changes nicks every hr......  ;-)
[15:19] <yourfriendisaac> jrib: you can only change properties from the command line
[15:19] <mcb_1> dr_willis: I know that. I did $ln -s sr0 cdrom
[15:19] <Kyle__> Hrumph.  Cute.  for the 12.04-12.10 upgrade they broke ssled vnc connections for vinagre xtightvncviewer and remmina.
[15:19] <yyu> i have installed libgtk2.0.doc,but when i "man gtk_window_new",still no manual entry
[15:19] <aj__> when I try to install .deb file by command "sudo dpkg -i  " all I get is some source code in /usr/src/linux-header3.2...what is that???
[15:19] <jrib> yourfriendisaac: what properties?  Not sure what you mean
[15:19] <jrib> yyu: the docs are /usr/share/doc/ .  Try: dpkg -L libgtk2.0-doc
[15:20] <jrib> *in*
[15:20] <Toadstool_> not sure if this is the right place, but im having a issue with audio/video on youtube and audio on iheartradio(it skips and gets choppy) im 95% positive its the flash plugins.  Has anyone encountered this issue and found a fix for it?
[15:20] <jrib> yyu: also you might like that devhelp program _cronus_ suggested earlier
[15:20] <lmat> I see that /etc/sudoers  is not writable by root...
[15:20] <Toadstool_> sorry, im using Chrome
[15:21] <jrib> lmat: and?
[15:21] <lmat> jrib: I just changed it.
[15:21] <yourfriendisaac> jrib: In the old gnome menu you used to be able to change command properties for any program as an option. Because there are no options in unity you cannot change the properties in the menu option
[15:21] <aj__> hi...when I try to install kernel .deb file by command "sudo dpkg -i  " all I get is some source code in /usr/src/linux-header3.2...what is that???
[15:21] <jrib> lmat: why?
[15:21] <lmat> jrib: To see if I could.
[15:21] <jrib> lmat: ok...
[15:21] <lmat> jrib:  ll says that nobody can write to it (I think...)
[15:21] <lmat> jrib: But I just wrote to it.  What's going on?
[15:22] <jrib> lmat: show in a pastebin what you are doing
[15:22] <lmat> jrib: okilie dokilie.
[15:22] <mcb_1> dr_willis: Worked! Thanks a lot. Dumb of me to miss that.
[15:22] <yyu> jrib:devhelp has no api manual.i think
[15:22] <lmat> jrib: I can't...
[15:22] <jrib> lmat: why?
[15:22] <lmat> jrib: I used vim.
[15:23] <jrib> lmat: so show me the rest
[15:23] <lmat> jrib: I guess I can just cat...
[15:23] <jrib> yyu: did you run devhelp?  It should have the documentation for gtk in there
[15:25] <lmat> jrib: pastie.org/5115053
[15:25] <howlymowly> hi poeple..  short question: I use python very often in ubuntu and right I am making the transition to python 3.2 it seems that it is installed by default on ubuntu 12.10. But the Packages are only recognized by python 2.7 is there an easy way to install additional python modules through the default repositories?
[15:25] <yyu> jrib:you are right,it has.i just saw the toturial before.
[15:25] <jrib> howlymowly: that's kind of weird.  I'm not on 12.10 yet and can't verify, but I'm willing to ask some questions if you'd like...
[15:26] <lmat> jrib: see?
[15:26] <howlymowly> jrib: on 12.10 python3.2 and python 2.7 are installed side-by-side
[15:26] <jrib> howlymowly: can you be specific about a particular module you wanted to install but wasn't available in python3?
[15:26] <howlymowly> jrib: for example numpy
[15:26] <yourfriendisaac> jrib: I wish I could just get rid of the software center without uninstalling ubuntu desktop.
[15:27] <jrib> lmat: yes, if you use sudo, you will be able to write.  Do note that to edit /etc/sudoers, you really should use « sudo visudo » and not edit it directly
[15:27] <jrib> yourfriendisaac: getting rid of it won't "fix" synaptic though
[15:27] <lmat> jrib: So root isn't allowed to write to it, right? (line 2)
[15:28] <jrib> lmat: root can write to anything it wants :x
[15:28] <howlymowly> jrib: right now I use a virtualenv + pip compination to get packages like numpy
[15:28] <jrib> howlymowly: python3-numpy is the package you want
[15:28] <lmat> jrib: What does the "-r--" mean?
[15:28] <dr_willis> yourfriendisaac: make a launcher that runs   gksudo synaptics   perhaps.
[15:28] <wastrel> permissions say read only
[15:28] <howlymowly> ahhh !!!
[15:28] <lmat> That means that it's not a dir, root can read, root cannot write, root cannot execute?
[15:28] <wastrel> it's just a little nudge to remind you to use visudo
[15:28] <howlymowly> jrib: i love you now :)
[15:28] <lmat> wastrel: lol
[15:28] <jrib> lmat: yes, but root is special
[15:28]  * lmat slowly nods
[15:29] <wastrel> root can still write a file with no write perms.
[15:29] <wastrel> but use visudo instead
[15:29] <Calinou> visudo, enforces the use of vi since 1999.(R)
[15:29] <Calinou> I know it has nothing to do, still
[15:29] <wastrel> Calinou: actually no, it uses the system editor configuration
[15:29] <howlymowly> jrib: I am so stupid.. I did not get the hang of beeing able to install packages for python3 using a "3" behind python ^^
[15:29] <howlymowly> lol
[15:29] <blackshirt> !permission
[15:29] <wastrel> Calinou: it will dump you right into nano
[15:29] <Calinou> why is it named "vi" then?
[15:30] <usr13_> wastrel: Or, root can change file permissions.
[15:30] <wastrel> because it's from olden times
[15:30] <jrib> howlymowly: no problem. python points to python3 now in 12.10 right?  Would probably make sense to at least have the python2 packages be named "python2-numpy" for example
[15:30] <manuel__> Hi, how can I tell wheather ubuntu booted in uefi mode - or even better, how do I get it to dual boot with a preinstalled uefi windows 7? (Right now it just goes straight to windows without loading grub)
[15:30] <dr_willis> like me....
[15:30] <yourfriendisaac> dr_willis: you can't make a customized launcher for the unity panel. I have not found a way to do that
[15:31] <Seus> question: i have rvm installed on ubuntu, set the 1.9.3 to default, yet when i do 'rvm default' and it says that its using 1.9.3, i do ruby -v and its still using 1.8.7...thoughts?
[15:31] <dr_willis> yourfriendisaac: you just make a new whatever.desktop file to run wgat you want i belive....
[15:31] <blackshirt> hello
[15:31] <wastrel> yourfriendisaac: i saw a howto but didn't follow it, like dr_willis said you make a .desktop file
[15:32] <wastrel> i'm trying to figure out a way to toggle launcher autohide and when i do i'm going to put an icon on the launcher for it
[15:32] <dr_willis> all the menu entries are defined by the    .desktop files
[15:32] <dr_willis> well all launchers are ;-)
[15:33] <dr_willis> most all the de's parse them to generate the menus
[15:35] <fluitfries> can someone help with a reliable terminal command to make a mountable readonly image (iso) of a directory on a usb filesystem?
[15:35] <yourfriendisaac> dr_willis: are you saying to go to the .desktop folder in the home directory and edit the file there?
[15:35] <fluitfries> *from the usb filesystem.
[15:35] <blackshirt> fluitfries, what you mean ?
[15:36] <fluitfries> blackshirt, well i'm having trouble with tar on this directory, so i wanted to try something else.
[15:36] <dr_willis> yourfriendisaac: no...  look at the file   synaptic.desktop   copy it to your home... edit it...
[15:36] <fluitfries> blackshirt, meanwhile all the other dirs worked fine with tar
[15:36] <blackshirt> fluitfruis, you can mount iso files directly
[15:36] <fluitfries> blackshirt, no, i need to CREATE the ISO from the dir on the usb
[15:36] <blackshirt> Fluitfries, you can mount iso files directly
[15:37] <fluitfries> blackshirt, i was able to use tar on the rest of the dirs from that usb, but this one gives errors.
[15:37] <usr13_> fluitfries: dd if=INPUT-FILE-NAME of=OUTPUT-FILE-NAME
[15:38] <blackshirt> burn it ?
[15:38] <fluitfries> usr13_, ok, that simple eh?
[15:38] <fluitfries> blackshirt, lol, it's 80 gigs.
[15:38] <escott> fluitfries, mkisofs
[15:38] <blackshirt> yes, mkisofs
[15:39] <fluitfries> thanks escott blackshirt user13_ i will try this
[15:39] <usr13_> fluitfries: mkisofs will create  an  hybrid ISO-9660/JOLIET/HFS/UDF filesystem-image
[15:39] <escott> fluitfries, although i dont see why mkisofs would work if tar gives errors
[15:39] <MonkeyDust> fluitfries  you want to turn a folder into an iso?
[15:39] <fluitfries> escott, one of my problems is that tar's error is generic inside file-roller and i can't find it in my logs, so i'm not even sure what is happening
[15:40] <fluitfries> MonkeyDust, yes.
[15:40] <usr13_> MonkeyDust: Yes, that is what he said he wanted to do from the first.
[15:40] <fluitfries> escott, the 40 gig directories and 20 gig files, all other data was ok.  just this one 80 gig directory.
[15:40] <usr13_> fluitfries: From a USB, right?  All of it or just one dir?
[15:41] <dr_willis> a 80gb iso file?
[15:41] <fluitfries> usr13_, just the one dir
[15:41] <fluitfries> dr_willis, nodnod
[15:41] <fluitfries> dr_willis, it is my itunes library, hehe
[15:41] <dr_willis> may be better to try tar from the cli
[15:42] <dr_willis> and see what the error is.
[15:42] <usr13_> fluitfries: If you do it from CLI you can see what is happeneing.  tar czf my-tarball.tgz  /media/disk/my-dir
[15:42] <fluitfries> dr_willis, i'd be concerned i was not getting all the options into the command properly...
[15:42] <fluitfries> usr13_, ok, let me try that then
[15:43] <dr_willis> i doubt you need many options..
[15:44]  * dr_willis bets its weird filename issues....  ;-) 
[15:44] <usr13_> or   czvf
[15:45] <usr13_> dr_willis: Yes, maybe filenames with spaces...
[15:45] <Kyle__> I don't suppose anyone knows what the package name is of unity's control panels?
[15:45] <fluitfries> dr_willis, yet my 40 gig iphoto library worked ok
[15:45] <AlexNagy> unity-panel iirc
[15:45] <wastrel> Kyle__: you mean the settings app?
[15:46] <KiLuMnaTi> do you guys recommend ubuntu 12.10 or 12.04
[15:46] <dr_willis> or funny  letters. or loooooooong names and paths
[15:46] <fluitfries> usr13_, ok, that command is running, it takes a while, i'll bbl
[15:46] <fluitfries> dr_willis, yea i've been thinking the same thing
[15:46] <Kyle__> wastrel: Yes.
[15:46] <wo> wojtek
[15:46] <dr_willis> KiLuMnaTi: depends on your needs.. and your lts or not wants
[15:46] <KiLuMnaTi> right now im on ubuntu 12.10
[15:47] <dr_willis> i use 12.10 ;-)
[15:47] <dr_willis> 12.04 is so... 6 months ago..
[15:48] <KiLuMnaTi> just notice some apps not supported like myunity
[15:48] <donc3> Hi all
[15:48] <donc3> !
[15:48] <KiLuMnaTi> in 12.10
[15:48] <wastrel> Kyle__: seems to be gnome-control-center
[15:48] <donc3> I have a problem with the new notification bar of gnome 3
[15:48] <dr_willis> KiLuMnaTi: never noticed...
[15:48] <dr_willis> !find myunity
[15:48] <donc3> can somebody help me??
[15:49] <dr_willis> cant recall needing myunity in ages.
[15:49] <donc3> ¿?¿¿?
[15:49] <KiLuMnaTi> oh just keep seeing top 10 must installs
[15:50] <KiLuMnaTi> im a noob totally at ubuntu first time installed it
[15:50] <Kyle__> wastrel: Thank you!
[15:50] <compdoc> whats the best music stream package for ubuntu? I want to run it in a vm and use a browser to play songs on any OS
[15:50] <blackshirt> you dont't need top/or not top
[15:50] <dr_willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/203709/how-do-i-install-myunity-on-12-10
[15:51] <m000gle> KiLuMnaTi: I'm still on 12.04, at least until the Gnome-Shell theme/extensions I used are updated for 3.6 ... That said, which one is right for you will really depend on whether you need the extended support of an LTS (5 years, versus 2 for regular releases), then go for 12.04.  Otherwise, 12.04 is probably for you.
[15:52] <fluitfries> dr_willis, ok, i got one error so far.  "file removed before we read it" and the .mp3 file has an asian character in the file name.
[15:52] <Kyle__> wastrel: Hum.  I have it, but not the monitor/display/whateverhtyecallit control in there.
[15:53] <donc3> nobody can help me??
[15:53] <wastrel> Kyle__: "displays" ?
[15:53] <escott> fluitfries, give (a) the size of these files (b) the unicode characters in the name I would not be using tar or mkisofs. Just copy the files to removable media formated as ntfs or ext#
[15:54] <wastrel> !ask | donc3
[15:54] <escott> fluitfries, or stream it over a network connection with rsync
[15:54] <donc3> ok
[15:54] <fluitfries> escott, here's the thing:  the usb is hfs+ formatted and even getting full read access requires root.  i am concerned that a normal file copy won't work properly?
[15:55] <Kyle__> wastrel: Probably.  I've used so many desktops I can't recall what each calls it.  But it's not in mine (lxce installed).
[15:56] <escott> fluitfries, (a) im sure you could correct the issue with root with properly specified mount options (perhaps you need to remap uids) (b) you can run rsync or cp as root
[15:56]  * Kyle__ sighs.
[15:56] <donc3> So my problem is that I since I have installed 12.10 the notifications of gnome 3 doesn't work fine, I have installed cairo dock, and it seems that the bar of gnome 3 crashes
[15:56] <_cronus_> compdoc, you mean a web browser?
[15:56] <Kyle__> Guess I'll just install unity to check it, then uninstall it.
[15:56] <donc3> can someone help me with this?
[15:56] <fluitfries> escott, my understanding is that there is no safe way to mount hfs+ as r/w in linux.  do you think rsync as root will get all the data?
[15:57] <fluitfries> escott, i have also tried mount args and such, but didn't notice much differences from how lubuntu mounts it normally..
[15:57] <escott> fluitfries, what i have read in the past (and the only way i touch apple anything is with a sledgehammer) is that you can mount r/w when the journal is turned off otherwise it it ro. but again that shouldn't matter as you are copying data OFF the disk
[15:57] <Kyle__> fluitfries: Err.  I'm fairly sure I've done it.  You have to disable to journal first I think (don't recall if I had to do that in OSX first or not, it's been a long time).
[15:58] <fluitfries> Kyle__, that's right, but i was hesitant to turn off the journaling, someone said it was not too safe to do
[15:58] <fluitfries> escott, ok, i'll try rsync as my next resort
[15:58] <MonkeyDust> rsync <3
[15:59] <escott> fluitfries, if this is a straight local copy you can just do "sudo cp /media/whatever /path/to/whereever" and then sudo chown -R username:username /path/to/wherever. rsync is nice because it will allow you to resume the process more easily than cp will
[15:59] <Kyle__> fluitfries: It's perfectly safe.  The journal speeds recovery in the event of a failure, and increases the chances of full recovery (in some situations).
[16:00] <fluitfries> ok, thanks you both
[16:00] <fluitfries> bbl
[16:00] <Kyle__> no problem
[16:01] <escott> fluitfries, for a removable disk i would discourage turning off the journal. you don't want to trip on and disconnect the cable and hose the filesystem. a journal would provide some measure of protection against a sudden improper disconnect
[16:02] <fluitfries> escott, luckily tho i just need this disk as the go-between from the source to the destination.  so the risk there is a little lower as it's not an installed OS.
[16:02] <escott> fluitfries, its also a "if you have the features why not use them" if you dont want journaling and just want dead simple permanent storage FAT is pretty solid... your main concern would be the size of your files which could be a problem for FAT
[16:03] <fluitfries> escott, yea i had used this as hfs+ storage for a long time, but this time around i'm going to choose something different.
[16:03] <escott> fluitfries, so you are doing a sneaker transfer between the systems. i would think about transitioning to an rsync over the network (assuming there is a connection) because you can set that up once to ensure the mirroring is done and just batch it to run every day/week/month etc
[16:04] <fluitfries> escott, i can't the source is a half dead mac hard drive that is booted to a recovery tool.  no network.  :(  i had to use diskwarrior to recover the data now i am offloading it to the hfs+ storage, then to my ext3 for final storage and sorting.  then i gotta get a new hdd, reinstall os x, and migrate the saved data back in.
[16:07] <donc3> my problem is that I since I have installed 12.10 the notifications of gnome 3 doesn't work fine, I have installed cairo dock, and it seems that the bar of gnome 3 crashes
[16:11] <MonkeyDust> donc3  cairo AND unity simultanuously?
[16:11] <donc3> no
[16:11] <donc3> MonkeyDust cairo and gnome-shell
[16:11] <Ian_Corne> anyone any idea what this means? [  109.871466] type=1701 audit(1351181464.985:38): auid=4294967295 uid=1000 gid=1000 ses=4294967295 pid=3099 comm="chrome" reason="seccomp" sig=0 syscall=59 compat=0 ip=0x7f1d88a07c27 code=0x50000
[16:13] <donc3> the new bar of the notifications!!
[16:13] <donc3> It is not showed correctly
[16:13] <wastrel> fffff
[16:14] <roanixs> hi
[16:15] <belgianguy> hmm, now I had that "white screen" again
[16:15] <belgianguy> and black bg with white vertical stripes on my other monitor
[16:15] <belgianguy> I think it has to do with screen time out
[16:16] <belgianguy> and the AMD gfx shatting the bed
[16:16] <jackyyll> i'm trying ot make it so a user can use sudo in his home directory, and nowhere else. I've added it in sudoers as: username ALL=(ALL:ALL) /home/username
[16:16] <jackyyll> and it's saying they can't execute chmod as root
[16:16] <robertzaccour> I have my printer plugged in and tried to print. A few minutes later, nothing. I then went  to printer settings and verified it was detected and tried to print a test page and still nothing. Any ideas? Thanks in advance
[16:17] <robertzaccour> My printer is a Canon Pixma MX-320
[16:17] <escott> jackyyll, what does that even mean?
[16:18] <MonkeyDust> jackyyll  /home is the only place where sudo is not needed
[16:19] <roanixs> hi
[16:19] <dr_willis> robertzaccour: check the cups logs and ud suggest the forums and askununtu.com  canon can be problematic even when supported
[16:20] <dr_willis> askubuntu.com ;-)
[16:20] <dr_willis> sudo limited by current directory seems.... weird.
[16:21] <wstearns> sudo bash ftw
[16:22] <dr_willis> for the lose you mean..
[16:22] <escott> wstearns, use sudo -i for interactive sudo. sudo bash is a bad idea
[16:22] <wstearns> Heheh
[16:23] <lmat> Oh, you're not supposed to do that? it makes every work so much better...
[16:24] <dr_willis> user can only use sudo chmod in their home... they copy  /bin/bash to home and suid it with chmod..... :(
[16:24] <Ian_Corne> anyone any idea what this means? [  109.871466] type=1701 audit(1351181464.985:38): auid=4294967295 uid=1000 gid=1000 ses=4294967295 pid=3099 comm="chrome" reason="seccomp" sig=0 syscall=59 compat=0 ip=0x7f1d88a07c27 code=0x50000
[16:24] <basil1x> Yesterday, I upgraded to 12.10.  Now, every time I insert a blank DVD, it says 'unable to mount blank dvd+r location already mounted'. only blank DVDs are affected.
[16:25] <dr_willis> lmat:  its redundant. not needed. and can cause e
[16:25] <dr_willis> issues
[16:26] <lmat> Why is there both $() and xargs?
[16:26] <lmat> Can one replace the other?
[16:26] <escott> lmat, they are different things entirely
[16:26] <dr_willis> lmat: dont forget ` `  also...)
[16:26] <dr_willis> backticks
[16:27] <root____5> night
[16:27] <escott> lmat, xargs is usually used when you are generating a lot of output you need to process independently. like what you would do with find if you didnt have find -exec you would instead find | xargs. i find myself doing things like git ls-files | xargs
[16:27] <dr_willis> touch filename$(date)
[16:28] <escott> lmat, if there are 10000 outputs from that first command you cannot pass them all on the command line to the subprocess, so you break it up into chunks with xargs
[16:28] <dr_willis> did i do that right?
[16:28] <vincentt> akhman.wordpress.com
[16:28] <lmat> escott: So why does $() exist?
[16:28] <dr_willis> xargs and $() very different
[16:29] <dr_willis> lmat:  see my example command above
[16:29] <escott> dr_willis, except for all the spaces that will. create "filenameThu" and "Oct"
[16:29] <dr_willis> pesky spaces
[16:29] <wastrel> $() is a more consistent and readble ``
[16:29] <wastrel> but less portable
[16:30] <wastrel> $() and `` are part of the shell language, xargs is a separate binary that you can run to do useful things
[16:30] <lmat> dr_willis: hmm... can that easily be done with xargs?
[16:30] <dr_willis> lmat: i dont see how...
[16:30] <escott> lmat, often you could take "command `subcommand`" and turn it into "subcommand | xargs command" but under the hood its completely different what is going on
[16:30] <lmat> date | xargs touch     or something.
[16:31] <wastrel> date +%Y%m%d
[16:31] <lmat> escott: ahh
[16:31] <Guest76459> !list
[16:31] <wastrel> change the date format to remove spaces
[16:31] <vincentt> any body know eagle software , to make PCB scematic ?
[16:31] <MonkeyDust> lmat  xargs is a program
[16:31] <lmat> MonkeyDust: of course :)
[16:32] <escott> lmat, in the first the output of subcommand is being passed in ARGC ARGV to command, in the second its coming across a pipe and xargs is chunking it up and running command as many times as necessary to ensure you dont exceed the maximum length of ARGC/ARGV
[16:32] <MonkeyDust> lmat  unlike $() and ``
[16:32] <escott> lmat, xargs can do lots of other cool stuff to mess with that stuff coming over the pipe to put it into the command execution
[16:32] <lmat> escott: Ahh... "as many times..." ... very different!
[16:32] <Wara2-3arish> r2a3o
[16:33] <Wara2-3arish> Chipaca: r2a3
[16:33] <Wara2-3arish> youssefchacker1
[16:33] <Wara2-3arish> 0
[16:33] <Wara2-3arish> 9
[16:33] <Wara2-3arish> ail;sdf
[16:33] <Wara2-3arish> asdf
[16:33] <FloodBot1> Wara2-3arish: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:33] <andrea__> hy everyone
[16:33] <Wara2-3arish> sdfasdf
[16:33] <MonkeyDust> lmat  like so: cat packages|xargs sudo apt-get install
[16:33] <lmat> Wara2-3arish: yo
[16:33] <lmat> andrea__: yo
[16:33] <Chipaca> oh, i thought somebody was playing battleship
[16:33] <andrea__> any ideas why i m not able to paly flash videos?
[16:33] <Wara2-3arish> r2a333333333333333333333333333333
[16:33] <Wara2-3arish> r2aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa33333333333333333333333333333333333333333
[16:33] <Wara2-3arish> r2a3333333333333333333333333333333333
[16:34] <MonkeyDust> Wara2-3arish  it works, you're in
[16:34] <Wara2-3arish> r2aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333334
[16:34] <Wara2-3arish> Wara2-3arish: tbosh
[16:34] <lmat> Wara2-3arish: see you later :)
[16:34] <Wara2-3arish> MonkeyDust: IT WORKED
[16:34] <Wara2-3arish> Sil4nc4: 9
[16:35] <lmat> MonkeyDust: What is cat packages?
[16:35] <escott> lmat, xargs is arguably a bit "out of style" as ARGC/ARGV have gotten bigger, and applications have gotten smarter (ie find -exec for instance), but there are some corner cases where it works better. i find xargs invaluable on win**** because command.com is just awful
[16:35] <MonkeyDust> lmat  just an example, packages would be a list with packages, xargs installs them with apt-get
[16:35] <Wara2-3arish> MonkeyDust: IS IT WORKING????????????//
[16:35] <lmat> does     cat file | sed 's/a/b/' > file    work okay?
[16:35] <lmat> (it's not working for me)
[16:35] <dr_willis> now would be a good time to find some bash tutorials lmat
[16:36] <Wara2-3arish> asd
[16:36] <Wara2-3arish> asd
[16:36] <Wara2-3arish> asd
[16:36] <FloodBot1> Wara2-3arish: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:36] <escott> lmat, sed -i (for in place editing) it can even put a .bak extension for you. NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER cat and redirect back to the same file
[16:36] <lmat> dr_willis: Dude, I'm the bash mastah!
[16:36] <jrib> escott, lmat: xargs is also great if you want to do some sort of batch processing with at most N instances running at once
[16:36] <lmat> escott: Why?
[16:36] <lmat> oh, it could loop? that'd be cool.
[16:36] <dr_willis> you just asked what cat was...
[16:37] <lmat> okay, I gotta go.
[16:37] <andrea__> hy, anyone can help me with the flash player,it is not actually working, or can tell me what chat should i look at?
[16:37] <lmat> thanks for talking to me!
[16:37] <lmat> afk
[16:37] <escott> lmat, what happens if cat is still reading when the first page of the redirect gets flushed...
[16:37] <lmat> escott: yup :)
[16:37] <dr_willis> cat dog > mouse  ;-)
[16:39] <andrea__> hy
[16:39] <lowtax> http://www.ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/10/17/shuttleworth-admits-it.html
[16:39] <andrea__> any help with flash player?
[16:40] <wastrel> andrea__: which ubuntu are you using
[16:40] <andrea__> 12.04.01 lst
[16:40] <andrea__> downl. yesterday
[16:42] <basil1x> Hello.
[16:42] <KnitGal> hi . . . i'm having a really annoying problem with getting Virtual Hosts to work . . .
[16:43] <KnitGal> here are the details  http://askubuntu.com/questions/206301/virtual-hosts-not-working-12-10
[16:43] <basil1x> I have a quite irritating mount related problem
[16:43] <KnitGal> basically, localhost is working, example.local isn't.  the configs look okay to me, I think
[16:44] <KnitGal> anyone have an idea why this isn't working?
[16:45] <nbubuntu> Anyone know which application able to backup file name and restore the file name ?
[16:46] <MonkeyDust> nbubuntu  not sure what you mean, i use rsync to backup
[16:46] <escott> !backup | nbubuntu
[16:46] <escott> basil1x, details please
[16:47] <andrea__> any help for me? problems with flash player, i tried almost everything written on the help foum
[16:47] <basil1x> escott:  Whenever I insert a DVD, it says in an error balloon: 'unable to mount Blank DVD+R, location is already mounted'
[16:47] <andrea__> i m using Ubuntu 12.04.01 LST
[16:48] <basil1x> this is after an upgrade to 12.10
[16:48] <escott> basil1x, what is the output of "mount" just after that
[16:48] <L3top> what sort of problem andrea__?
[16:48] <guyal___> Hi; I'm having trouble getting multiple monitors working in quantal -- I have an nvidia card and I've installed the nvidia-current driver package, but I'm only seeing 800x600 for one of the monitors in nvidia-settings; any suggestions?
[16:48] <andrea__> just i m not able to see any video on flash
[16:48] <andrea__> YT, daily motion
[16:48] <andrea__> nothing at all
[16:49] <L3top> guyal___: has this ever worked in *buntu? Do you have a converter (eg DVI > VGA) in between the card and the monitor?
[16:49] <basil1x> escott: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1305305/
[16:49] <L3top> andrea__: I assume you already did apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[16:50] <andrea__> yes i did it
[16:50] <L3top> andrea__: what browser are you using?
[16:50] <andrea__> mozilla firefox 16.00
[16:50] <giakar> ciao
[16:50] <andrea__> ciao
[16:50] <giakar> !list
[16:50] <guyal___>  L3top: no, first time with ubuntu on this computer, and no, the monitor just has a digital cable
[16:50] <bluegoon> 12.10 is stuttering like mad!!!
[16:50] <L3top> guyal___: meaning dvi or hdmi?
[16:51] <MACscr> This isnt a panic, its just telling me its the notifier is enabled if there was one. Correct? Oct 23 06:16:32 server kernel: [ 13.119126] drm: registered panic notifier
[16:51] <bluegoon> kworker process is killing my cpu
[16:51] <escott> basil1x, and that is just after the error message? the error message is probably incorrect because its a black dvd
[16:51] <guyal___> L3top: DVI
[16:51] <bluegoon> There are 4 kworker processes on top 5 when doing 'top' command
[16:51] <Xtremeasure> andrea__ i would assume you need to install the icedtea pluggin for fire fox to see flash
[16:51] <escott> MACscr, not a panic
[16:52] <basil1x> escott:  but 12.04LTS never had this problem, and it's dead annoying
[16:52] <andrea__>  ok, i ll down. from the soft center?
[16:52] <Xtremeasure> yeah icedtea 7
[16:52] <L3top> guyal___: lsmod | grep -Ei '(nvidia|nouveau)'
[16:52] <andrea__> ok i ll have a try
[16:52] <escott> bluegoon, some application is making work for those threads. probably disk related
[16:53] <KnitGal> can anyone help me with this:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/206301/virtual-hosts-not-working-12-10
[16:53] <guyal___> L3top: nvidia              11257759  55
[16:54] <L3top> guyal___: please pastebin the contents of /etc/X11/xorg.conf  and also add the output of xrandr -q
[16:54] <Xtremeasure> andrea__ and if that doesnt work try following the directions in this link http://askubuntu.com/questions/184018/problem-installing-adobe-flash-player-in-firefox
[16:54] <L3top> !pastebin | guyal___
[16:54] <andrea__> ok, should i install just the plug in or everything ?
[16:54] <basil1x> escott:  Is there any way to stop the error balloon popping up?  the disc works fine, it's just the balloon I want gone
[16:55] <guyal___> L3top: it was generated with nvidia-settings
[16:55] <dr_willis> icedtea7 is java not flash... or did i miss something
[16:55] <escott> basil1x, i would just report it as a bug
[16:55] <nbubuntu> MonkeyDust , escott : nope , I mean something like krename.
[16:55] <L3top> I know. I need to see it
[16:55] <andrea__> i mean the iced tea java web start
[16:56] <basil1x> reinstall from disc it is, then... <sigh>
[16:56] <escott> nbubuntu, sorry don't follow
[16:56] <guyal___> L3top: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1305322/
[16:56] <EnderMB> Hey, I'm trying to install Ubuntu to dual boot alongside my current Windows 7 install, but I've noticed that I can install Ubuntu alongside Windows with Wubi. Is there any drawbacks to this if I want to use Ubuntu for general web browsing and Python development?
[16:57] <dr_willis> EnderMB:  i suggest avoid wubi....
[16:57] <guyal___> L3top: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1305323/
[16:57] <escott> EnderMB, yes
[16:57] <bluegoon> Hi guys
[16:57] <dr_willis> wubi can be problematic
[16:57] <bluegoon> 12.10, my CPU usage is low, and memory usage, but my ubuntu is stuttering like crazy
[16:58] <Lil> PatrickDickey; That didn't seem to help either. Sorry it took so long, got busy with work. But after changing those parameters.. it wouldn't even allow me to connect
[16:58] <iJames> Tried to upgrade 12.04 LTS to 12.10 on a ThinkPad R51...  One warning about graphics...  installed, except for the kernel...   Not so smooth.  Need to downgrade.
[16:58] <escott> bluegoon, what applications are you running?
[16:58] <bluegoon> escott, sabnzbd, mediatomb, sickbeard
[16:58] <EnderMB> dr_willis: Cool, in that case I guess I should just repartition Windows and set up the three partitions for Ubuntu?
[16:59] <bluegoon> escott, top 5 processes are kworker
[16:59] <nbubuntu> MonkeyDust , escott : I had a batch of log file all are sort ordering by date ( Routine_01-10-2012.log , Routine_02-10-2012.log and etc )
[16:59] <dr_willis> EnderMB:  or play with ubuntu in vbox. or do a full install to a flashdrive
[16:59] <escott> bluegoon, kworker is just the kernel doing work on behalf of other processes
[16:59] <bluegoon> oh ok
[16:59] <bluegoon> I wonder what the heck's causing this instability
[17:00] <bluegoon> escott,  its a brand new installation
[17:00] <Mrokii> Hello. Ever since upgrading to 12.10 I can't mount USB-sticks nor any other HDs anymore. I get error messages like this instead: "Adding read ACL for uid 1000 to `/media/MyUsername"' failed: Operation not supported". What can I do to repair that?
[17:00] <EnderMB> dr_willis: I've already got it set up in VirtualBox. I use Windows because I'm a .NET dev but I also use Python a lot so I want a primary Linux environment to do that
[17:01] <L3top> guyal___: in your xorg.conf in the first Setting group you will find xinerama    0   change that to a 1, and reboot. is it outputting on that monitor at all?
[17:01] <dr_willis> EnderMB:  .net dev? you have my sympathy .... ;-)
[17:01] <L3top> guyal___: that second monitor... you are POSITIVE there is no converter or anything? It doesn't look like it can read its EDID data.
[17:01] <escott> bluegoon, almost anything the kernel can't do immediately, but can defer (such as writing out to a disk) will get put into a k**** thread. kworker is mostly rcu related stuff. you can use some of the profiling tools to try and figure out what applications on your system are making lots of syscalls, but an application like mediatomb could very easily cause a lot of kernel work with relatively few syscalls (mmap a file and just pass it d
[17:01] <escott> irectly to the network device)
[17:01] <nbubuntu> MonkeyDust , escott : I plan to backup the batch file name , and rename it to something (Routine_011012_New_York.log).Krename able to do it but if case someone wanted the original log , how do I undo the rename ?
[17:02] <EnderMB> dr_willis: C# is a fantastic language, but ideally I'd prefer not to be tied down to a single platform/language, hence me trying to spend more time in Linux
[17:02] <guyal___> L3top: yes, it's outputting, and there's no converter on the monitor which is problematic, The monitor which works perfectly has a converter
[17:02] <bluegoon> escott, well let me play around with stuff
[17:03] <bluegoon> escott, but something's really up
[17:03] <bluegoon> escott, it starts freaking out at the logon screen though
[17:03] <ska> In a sysem without X, How can I configure the system console to start a text-based wizard process ?
[17:03] <ska> Without logging in..
[17:03] <guyal___> L3top: sorry for the obvious question, but how do I edit xorg.conf?
[17:03] <ska> Text kiosk..?
[17:03] <escott> nbubuntu, im not really following, but sounds like you are doing logrotation so i'm wondering why you aren't using logrotate
[17:04] <KnitGal> can anyone help me with this:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/206301/virtual-hosts-not-working-12-10
[17:06] <guyal___> L3top: nevermind, found it. Brb.
[17:06] <jiffe98> if ubuntu doesn't boot the first time or it reboots in the middle of a boot, grub doesn't automatically choose the default option on the second boot, is there a way to change this?
[17:07] <dhanasekaran> HI How to find active ftp connection in ftp server please help him
[17:07] <dhanasekaran> find How to active ftp connection going on
[17:08] <nbubuntu> escott : I make it simple , I had a list of text file Holiday_day1.txt about 100 of it.I wanted to rename it to something else like Holiday_1_10_2012.txt but after rename .I feel the name wasn't right , how to restore back the original Holiday_day1.txt ? if it's like 100 files with different name , it'll takes like hours to restore and retype the file name.
[17:08] <itsswift> Hey quick question for someone here (hopefully). Is there a way to change the default brightness in 12.10? Every time I restart my computer the screen resets to maximum brightness. Drives me nuts.
[17:09] <Avinash> hello, can anyone help me to increase the swap space in ubuntu12.04
[17:09] <nbubuntu> escott : possible backup original file name -> rename -> restore original file name.
[17:09] <escott> nbubuntu, if you just renamed you need to make a script to reverse all the renames. there isn't an "undo" for basic filesystem things like copy and move
[17:10] <nbubuntu> escott : seems like it'd be the best to write a script to reverse order. I just though it'd be easier if there's a application or script for it .
[17:11] <dr_willis> Avinash: add a new swap partition or a swap file is  one way
[17:11] <guyal___> L3top: I've restarted. The resolution hasn't changed, I can't open a terminal for some reason, and when I opened chrome it was maximised across both screens (which was strange as they're different resolutions)
[17:12] <dr_willis> Avinash: they  can be on other hds if needed.
[17:12] <ska> Is there a way to attach a system console to a script ?
[17:13] <dr_willis> ska clarify what you mean
[17:13] <c_smith> Hi, I'm trying to get fglrx installed on Ubuntu 12.10 on a system that has an AMD Radeon HD 6470M, and when I get it installed and have run sudo amdconfig --initial, upon reboot the system goes into low-graphics mode where enter is the only key working and only in the first menu, the second menu does nothing, is there something I'm missing?
[17:14] <KnitGal> you might have an older version of AMD chip
[17:14] <c_smith> KnitGal, the Radeon HD 6470?
[17:15] <c_smith> this is a laptop I bought brand new in August.
[17:15] <c_smith> so the chip can't be too old, can it?
[17:15] <ahtmly2k> HELP: I just upgraded to 12.10 from 12.04 and now I get a "the location is not a folder" error message every time I want to access my other drives. How can I fix this?
[17:15] <KnitGal> right . . .
[17:15] <escott> c_smith, thats got an M. is that a laptop? does it have the intel graphics as well? have you looked at vga_switcheroo or bumblebee or ironhide or whatever it is called
[17:16] <itsswift> Hey quick question for someone here (hopefully). Is there a way to change the default brightness in 12.10? Every time I restart my computer the screen resets to maximum brightness. Drives me nuts.
[17:16] <c_smith> escott, yes, Intel HD 3000
[17:16] <XMLnewbi> can some one describe to me what the var/www   on ubuntu server is?        My webserver is live but for some reason my old site is still stored on var/www
[17:16] <escott> ahtmly2k, how are you trying to access them? what tool are you using?
[17:16] <c_smith> escott, also it's muxless, afaik muxless isn't supported by X.org
[17:17] <KnitGal> umm . . . that's the default location for files served up by apache
[17:17] <escott> itsswift, you can put a command in /etc/rc.local to echo the correct dimness value to /sys/blah/blah/blah/backlight
[17:18] <Guest99494> how do I get ubuntu to login to the classic version of Gnome
[17:18] <KnitGal> if you go to 127.0.0.1 you'll get whatever is stored in /var/www
[17:18] <IdleOne> !notunity | Guest99494
[17:18] <roanixs> part
[17:18] <XMLnewbi> I installed ehcp and put my new site up. when i go to that ip I get the login for ehcp
[17:18] <OerHeks> Guest99494 on ubuntu 12.10 ? classic is removed.
[17:19] <Guest99494> 12.04
[17:19] <dr_willis> !swap > Avinash
[17:19] <Guest99494> LTS
[17:19] <XMLnewbi> if i wanted to clear out the var/www    but not mess up  my  ehcp      whats the best way to do that?
[17:19] <johnnycupcake> sorry nick change
[17:19] <ahtmly2k> i use nautilus
[17:19] <johnnycupcake> XMLnewbi, u mean DHCP???
[17:19] <ahtmly2k> like i always do.
[17:20] <XMLnewbi> http://www.ehcp.net/
[17:20] <XMLnewbi> no ehcp
[17:20] <johnnycupcake> oh
[17:20] <johnnycupcake> sorry dunno
[17:20] <johnnycupcake> lol
[17:20] <johnnycupcake> thanks idleone for that info
[17:20] <johnnycupcake> i'll look into it
[17:20] <johnnycupcake> :-(
[17:21] <johnnycupcake> ubuntu should give u an option at install which version to use for GNOME
[17:21] <johnnycupcake> as default that is
[17:21] <christoph_> Hi, I tried hard to put portable thunderbird on my usb stick, downloaded a nice package with enigmail for linux, when I unpack it on my usb drive then I am not even able to make the starter executable even if I do it in a sudo nautilus. The tick just disappears when I move the curser. What do I do wrong?
[17:21] <escott> christoph_, its likely mounted user and therefore noexe
[17:21] <escott> noexec
[17:22] <razvan> hy there
[17:22] <KnitGal> meanwhile, still need help with my virtual hosts issue . . .  http://askubuntu.com/questions/206301/virtual-hosts-not-working-12-10
[17:22] <XMLnewbi> I dont actually see anything from ehcp in my var/www
[17:22] <razvan> ive installed "aditiona drivers" from Lubuntu sowtware center, but i cant see the program
[17:22] <ahtmly2k> @escott nautilus ofcourse..
[17:22] <skraitooo> hi all
[17:22] <razvan> how to start it
[17:22] <dr_willis> christoph_: what filesystem is  the usb?
[17:23] <escott> ahtmly2k, so what does nautilus show the files as?
[17:23] <KnitGal> let me see if i can understand what you're saying, XMLnewbi . . . when you go to www.yoursite.com you're expecting to see this:  http://ehcp.net/sites/default/files/ehcp_new_login.png
[17:24] <ahtmly2k> @escott i click on my other drive and a pop-up appears saying "this location is not a folder"
[17:24] <tejas> after upgrade I am unable to remove old kernal help me this is the error E: linux-image-2.6.32-33-generic: subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1
[17:24] <XMLnewbi> no, when i go to  www.mtsite.com I go to my index.html        when i go to my IP I get my panel to login to echp
[17:25] <skraitooo> hi guys i wrote this tutorial for newbie in perl
[17:25] <skraitooo> http://0x71.org/0x71-perl-tutorial-part-1/2/
[17:25] <skraitooo> do you guys like it ?
[17:25] <escott> ahtmly2k, what is the output of "mount" in the terminal and what is the drive you are trying to open in nautilus
[17:25] <XMLnewbi> but when I ssh into my server, I see all bunch of crap from my old site before i set up ehcp. and cant find my new stuff
[17:26] <KnitGal> okay . . . all i can think of is that it could be a caching issue, somehow
[17:26] <tejas> after upgrade I am unable to remove old kernal help me this is the error E: linux-image-2.6.32-33-generic: subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1
[17:26] <XMLnewbi> sudo delete files?
[17:26] <KnitGal> maybe - i don't know.  I've never had that problem, so i just don't know - someone else will have to confirm
[17:27] <XMLnewbi> what is the command line to do a full search on the system to find my new site? I forgot
[17:27] <gordonjcp> XMLnewbi: what do you mean "new site"?
[17:27] <XMLnewbi> just search the whole system for a file
[17:27] <nabblet> XMLnewbi, usually a website is stored in the www folder
[17:27] <drewbert> Hi.  I just upgraded to ubuntu 12.10.  When I launch chrome or chromium, I get logged out.
[17:28] <ahtmly2k> @escott what? how can i see that?
[17:28] <nabblet> XMLnewbi, either 'locate' or 'find' command
[17:28] <christoph_> dr_willis: I think it is fat but I am not sure
[17:28] <escott> tejas, so thats just the image, you could remove the file directly from /boot, but a better way is to find in /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image....postrm script and modify it to not exit on an error by commenting out the "set -e" on the second line
[17:28] <nabblet> XMLnewbi, locate is the easier one to use
[17:28] <nabblet> XMLnewbi, i assume you use command line
[17:29] <XMLnewbi> I was having trouble with FTP write permissions. It wouldnt let my write to top level files in dreamweaver. So I installed echp and rebuild my whole site from scratch.
[17:29] <XMLnewbi> yes
[17:29] <drewbert> Does anybody know why that could be happening?  I'm running XFCE,
[17:29] <tejas> thanks escott I dont want to delete only...coz its in my grub menu :p
[17:29] <XMLnewbi> find   doesnt find crap, it looks in the folder im in now
[17:29] <escott> ahtmly2k, open a terminal, type "mount[ENTER]" and put the output on paste.ubuntu.com and send us the link
[17:29] <christoph_> escott: do you mean I have to unmount it, sorry for my dumb question
[17:29] <XMLnewbi> i could just use ls
[17:29] <escott> tejas, update-grub will adjust the entries to reflect what is and is not present in /boot
[17:29] <dr_willis> christoph_: you dont chown or chmod files on ntfs or vfat.
[17:29] <nabblet> XMLnewbi, that's because you have to tell it to look in / and not in your current dir
[17:30] <christoph_> dr_willis: ok, I didn't know that, but I tried also on a ext4 stick and it didn't work
[17:30] <escott> christoph_, most USB sticks are FAT32 or NTFS formated. neither supports POSIX (linux) permission model. that + their being removable means they are mounted "user" which implies "noexec" so even if the file says +x it isnt
[17:31] <nabblet> XMLnewbi, find / -name XXX
[17:31] <nabblet> XMLnewbi, i don't know how deep ls will enter to your file hirachy
[17:31] <skomorokh> upgraded to 12.10... now my keyboard fails at boot. unplugged everything else from usb... it works in grub, just fails once it gets into the kernel. so can't type my drive passwd. no numlk even.
[17:31] <pzn> I have a notebook with ubuntu12.04; when using notebook computer, all OK. when connect an external USB keyboard, it starts making "confusion" with left-alt and win-key; for example alt+tab switchs app but also opens unity menu. how to solve this?
[17:32] <KnitGal> well . . . got problem resolved - enter http://example.local into browser URL and presto customized page is now showing
[17:32] <nabblet> XMLnewbi, try 'ls -R / | grep XXX'
[17:32] <christoph_> dr_willis: so how could I have a portable linux thunderbird on a usb drive?
[17:34] <XMLnewbi> find / -name            giving me premission denied, trying sudo
[17:34] <ahtmly2k> @escott http://paste.ubuntu.com/1305411/
[17:34] <nabblet> christoph_, http://kb.mozillazine.org/Running_from_a_USB_drive_%28Thunderbird%29 says There isn't a Linux specific version. The developer supports running it under WINE for Linux.
[17:35] <XMLnewbi> sudo find.... returned nothing hmm
[17:35] <nabblet> christoph_, maybe if you compile thunderbird yourself from source...
[17:36] <XMLnewbi> ahh, ok i got it
[17:36] <escott> christoph_, so you need to make modifications to your /etc/fstab to specify different mount options for that filesytem
[17:36] <skraitooo> hey guys
[17:36] <XMLnewbi> uchp IS in var/www     it var/www/new/ehcp/..../.... ect
[17:36] <skraitooo> i need your opinion
[17:36] <skraitooo> http://0x71.org/0x71-perl-tutorial-part-1/2/
[17:36] <skraitooo> i wrote this tutorial for newbie
[17:36] <skraitooo> do you like it ?
[17:37] <skraitooo> do you guys want more tutorial ?
[17:37] <XMLnewbi> I was going to do it because im a newbi and looking to program. then all the jesus stuff scared me away
[17:37] <escott> ahtmly2k, looks like the files can be found by browsing to /media/ahtmly2k/subfolders. this /media/username/subfolder is new in 12.10 where in 12.04 it was /media/subfolder. thats the cause of the problem, not sure how to fix it nautilus clearly still thinks it should be /media/subfolder
[17:37] <nabblet> XMLnewbi, :)
[17:37] <escott> !ot | skraitooo
[17:37] <kurtwp_> what is the command line commands to mount a windows server share from ubuntu 12.04
[17:38] <Ontology> How can I use color codes like these in my .bashrc? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/Xterm_color_chart.png
[17:38] <KnitGal> frankly, you might be better off in a perl channel, skraitooo
[17:38] <drewbert> Hi.  I just upgraded to ubuntu 12.10.  When I launch chrome or chromium, I get logged out. Does anybody know why that could be happening?  I'm running XFCE.  I upgraded from 12.04.  Firefox doesn't start either.
[17:38] <escott> Ontology, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Color_Bash_Prompt
[17:38] <OldestParadox> skraitooo: perl? I don`t like too obfuscated languages. I hate all the webstuff.
[17:39] <ahtmly2k> @escott so it can't be fixed then?
[17:39] <OldestParadox> Except maybe rebol.
[17:39] <OldestParadox> That is a clean language.
[17:39] <escott> ahtmly2k, im sure there is a fix (probably modifying something in the nautilus cache with dconf or gconf, i dont know what it would be though)
[17:39] <mistergibson> Question: how would I use lsof to find the pid of a file in use - say a unix socket??
[17:40] <escott> mistergibson, netstat can do sockets pretty easily. netstat -pu for instance
[17:40] <balo> hi
[17:41] <mistergibson> escott: yeah, but I also want to run the script on bsd as well...
[17:42] <ahtmly2k> @escott another problem occurs, when i access media/ahtmly2k it states that i don't have the permission to view it.. and also there are two folders within the media folder one is ahtmly2k and another AHTMLY2K
[17:42] <escott> ahtmly2k, what is the output of ls -l /media
[17:44] <savio> how can i encrypt my home directory?
[17:44] <lion42> savio, are you installing ubuntu right now?
[17:45] <Kyle__> Hum.  OK, the unity monitors panel allows me to setup my displays properly (unmirrored, one rotated), but the one in lubuntu(lxce) doesn't.  I assume that means this is an xrandr type problem?
[17:45] <MonkeyDust> !encrypt > savio
[17:45] <lion42> MonkeyDust, or that!
[17:45] <lion42> Outshine me, why don't you.
[17:45] <escott> Kyle__, no it means its an lxde problem
[17:46] <ahtmly2k> @escott and how do i see that?
[17:46] <escott> ahtmly2k, in the terminal. same place as mount "ls -l /media[ENTER]"
[17:46] <Kyle__> escott: isn't xrandr how the unity display control panel modifies the screen layout?  By xrandr type problem I meant, something to be fixed with xrandr, didn't word that quite right.
[17:47] <escott> Kyle__, you can make direct xrandr commands they will look like xrandr --display HDMI1 --right-of HDMI2 --rotate left
[17:48] <ahtmly2k> @escott http://paste.ubuntu.com/1305434/
[17:49] <adek05> How can I allow users strace other user's processes?
[17:49] <Kyle__> escott: After I get the settings I want right, is that something to shove in xinitrc, or into Xorg.conf?
[17:50] <christoph_> escott: sorry I had to answer a telephone call, but now I am back. thanks for your link. I would like to run it though without wine, and I found a portable version for linux https://www.privacyfoundation.de/wiki/PortableLinuxApps But sadly I don't know how to make it work. I tried both ways, downloading it with a script or the program packages.
[17:51] <escott> ahtmly2k, thats exciting. i would recommend (a) "sudo umount /dev/sdc1; sudo umount /dev/sda1" (b) disconnect the usb drives (physically remove them from the machine) (c) sudo ls /media and sudo ls /media/*/* to verify that no files are in any directories (d) sudo rm -rf /media/*
[17:51] <escott> ahtmly2k, and be EXTREMELY careful to type those commands exactly as they are. an errant space could hose your system
[17:52] <escott> Kyle__, there are a ton of places they can be placed. so either is correct
[17:52] <OerHeks> is "* Dreadtower is now known as Breadflour" a script, changing every 15 minutes?
[17:52] <christoph_> nabblet: I would like to run it without Wine, as I found a page with program packages for Linux https://www.privacyfoundation.de/wiki/PortableLinuxApps
[17:53] <escott> christoph_, a standard unix system that you just walk up to, is not configured to allow you to run binaries off a usb stick. you can only do this on systems you administer and control, in which case why not just install the application like a normal application?
[17:53] <escott> ahtmly2k, christoph_, Kyle__, i have to run. might be back online later, but probably won't be able to get online for a few hours. goodluck
[17:53] <ahtmly2k> @escott okay i don't get it.. should i do either a, b or c? or should i do all of them respectively?
[17:54] <nabblet> christoph_, good :)
[17:54] <escott> ahtmly2k, all of them. the permissions in /media are fouled up. not sure why, but nuking everything in there might get you back to a sensible state
[17:54] <ahtmly2k> @escott nah man.. i need you right now.. you're the only one helping me out..
[17:55] <louisdang> hi #ubuntu, are there any programs that checks if ubuntu is installed correctly?
[17:56] <ahmad_> hi guys, can anyone please tell me how to create a group via commandline using usermod or whatever?
[17:57] <llutz> ahmad_: sudo addgroup groupname
[17:57] <SolarisB1y> you dont create groups with usermod command but you can add someone to a new group you created with it
[17:58] <ahmad_> one more thing llutz, is the admin group suppose to have a GID 1001? or 1000
[17:58] <dr_willis> OerHeks: looks like a script to me... b|
[17:59] <Kyle__> Hum.  OK, xrandr got my other monitor happy, but now the menu bar slipped to the wrong screen.
[17:59] <kostkon> louisdang, dont' think so. Do you have any problems with your ubuntu installation?
[18:00] <louisdang> kostkon: everything is working fine, but I had dependency errors when I upgraded from 12.04 so I wanted to check
[18:00] <savio> ubottu, a link is just to encrypt subdirectory i need to encrypt my whole home directory
[18:00] <Dougie187> Does anyone know when there will be an nvidia-experimental-310 package for the 310.14 driver for quantal?
[18:01] <OerHeks> dr_willis, next change comming up in 2 minutes
[18:01] <kostkon> louisdang, see if any errors will popup after giving: sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[18:01] <louisdang> kostkon: alright
[18:02] <unrar> Hello
[18:02] <llutz> ahmad_: sry i'm not using ubuntu atm, but i guess admin has gid <1000 because its not a user-group
[18:04] <louisdang> kostkon, no errors.
[18:04] <ahmad> llutz, ty i solved the problem i had accidentally deleted admin group and removed myself from it
[18:05] <kostkon> louisdang, then as far as package deps is concerned, you seem to be fine
[18:05] <louisdang> kostkon, ok thanks.
[18:05] <kostkon> louisdang, np
[18:06] <unrar> Should I upgrade to 12.10?
[18:06] <unrar> Is it stable as 12.04?
[18:06] <unrar> I tested it and there seems to be some new bugs, bug lots of old bugs have been fixed, so what do you recommend me?
[18:06] <rumpe1> unrar, wait half a year
[18:07] <unrar> why?
[18:07] <MonkeyDust> i'm happy with 12.10
[18:07] <rumpe1> unrar, the newest is very seldom more stable than the older one
[18:07] <addiks> hi, i have recently upgraded to 12.10 and noticed that unitiy now uses nux instead of geis for multitouch. In 12.04 i have patched unity to disable geis, but i dont know how to do that with nux. Anyone got a clue?
[18:08] <ahmad> ubuntu 12.10 is teh shiznit
[18:09] <dhanasekaran> How to find Harddisk serial number for dell poweredge
[18:10] <MonkeyDust> dhanasekaran  lshw > hardware    then read the hardware file
[18:10] <Bombo> will wake-on-lan work by default on 12.10? i just pressed the sleep (half-moon) key on the keyboard, the machine went to sleep mode, until i pressed the main power button, then i got back to where i was, now its in sleep mode again and i'm trying to wake it up from my other computer, with etherwake and wakeonlan hwaddr, but it doesn't seem to wake up
[18:10] <hjsteffens> Is this the correct IRC channel to talk about development of Desktop application?
[18:10] <Bombo> ethtool showed 'Wake-on: g'
[18:11] <SolarisB1y> dhanasekaran: you may also be interested in installing OMSA on after you get it - OMSA is pretty standard on dell servers
[18:11] <Bombo> any hints?
[18:11] <unrar> oky, thanks
[18:12] <kostkon> !devsupport | hjsteffens
[18:12] <kostkon> wth
[18:12] <kostkon> !support-#ubuntu-devel | hjsteffens
[18:12] <kostkon> ...
[18:13] <SolarisB1y> is that a booboo?
[18:14] <slon2000ru> hello there
[18:14] <slon2000ru> please help me with samba on ubuntu
[18:14] <gordonjcp> !samba | slon2000ru
[18:14] <mashbro> Hi guys.
[18:14] <slon2000ru> i install samba and use mediaplayer from my tv
[18:15] <slon2000ru> i can watch only video from torrent if i copy file to the sharefolder i cant play it
[18:15] <dhanasekaran> SolarisB1y: Thanks
[18:15] <slon2000ru> why my local files are blocked
[18:15] <mashbro> I just installed Ubuntu on my PC but it seems to have resolution issues and it's weird.
[18:15] <SolarisB1y> dhanasekaran: yw
[18:16] <mashbro> My gpu is 9500GT SLI
[18:16] <mashbro> is there anything I can do?
[18:16] <slon2000ru> 9500 - nvidia?
[18:16] <hjsteffens> Is the language of choice for a Desktop application in Ubuntu, Python or Valve?
[18:16] <slon2000ru> or ati
[18:17] <mashbro> slon2000ru: yep Nvidia
[18:17] <slon2000ru> o there is no problems with nvidia
[18:17] <slon2000ru> use special program
[18:17] <mashbro> geforce actually
[18:17] <slon2000ru> ADDITIONAL DRIVERS
[18:17] <mashbro> what kind of special programs slon2000ru?
[18:17] <Dougie187> mashbro: did you install the nvidia drivers? and after they are installed have the graphics issues?
[18:17] <slon2000ru> it can auto install drivers for u
[18:18] <mashbro> I tried a few additional drivers, but that doesn't work too.
[18:18] <slon2000ru> i use this program and play 3d games watch full hd video
[18:18] <Dougie187> but it looks fine with nouveau?
[18:18] <mashbro> what is the 'program' that you are saying?
[18:18] <Dougie187> He's talking about the additional drivers program
[18:18] <slon2000ru> ADDITIONAL DRIVERS
[18:18] <Dougie187> in software sources.
[18:18] <kostkon> hjsteffens, better ask in #ubuntu-app-devel
[18:18] <Dougie187> It's really just a tab in it, but whatevs.
[18:18] <hjsteffens> Okay, thank you
[18:19] <slon2000ru> u can insatll it from ofocoal ubuntu repositary
[18:19] <Dougie187> mashbro: did it work with nouveau? If you installed the other drivers already then you probably did exactly what he's suggesting. Especially if you installed nvidia-current or similar.
[18:20] <slon2000ru> oh please help me with samba
[18:20] <slon2000ru> i bye a new tv and i need to watch a movie
[18:20] <skypce> hello
[18:20] <slon2000ru> hello
[18:20] <skypce> i have a adwaita cupertino theme
[18:21] <skypce> how can i change the background color of menu nav?
[18:21] <Dougie187> skypce: in the compiz settings manager
[18:21] <dr_willis> slon2000ru: and thats samba related how?
[18:21] <skypce> i use gala
[18:21] <slon2000ru> i install samba common than samba config
[18:21] <skypce> :S
[18:21] <slon2000ru> than share download folder
[18:22] <slon2000ru> download from torrent and all ok
[18:22] <slon2000ru> then i made local copy of one movie
[18:22] <slon2000ru> it dont work
[18:22] <dr_willis> you gave the user a samba password with    sudo smbpasswd username     slon2000ru ?
[18:22] <mashbro> Dougie187: it didn't work nouveau
[18:23] <slon2000ru> no
[18:23] <slon2000ru> i have no pass on my samba
[18:23] <Dougie187> mashbro: so your resolution was still messed up when using nouveau?
[18:23] <dr_willis> "it dident work" is vague....
[18:23] <mashbro> Dougie187: yeah, it was.
[18:24] <Dougie187> mashbro: did you try running Displays, and seeing if you can change it in that?
[18:24] <slon2000ru> i need free sharing for all my local netwokrk without pass
[18:24] <mashbro> Dougie187: Yeah
[18:24] <ShadowPhrogg3264> hi
[18:25] <dr_willis> slon2000ru: and we need details of the vague problem...
[18:25] <Dougie187> mashbro: what happened with that? Nothing?
[18:25] <mashbro> yep, nothing happened.
[18:25] <Dougie187> mashbro: have you tried nvidia-settings?
[18:25] <SolarisB1y> nfs ftw
[18:26] <Dougie187> lol
[18:26] <SolarisB1y> i actually use iscsi && DLNA works like a charm
[18:26] <dr_willis> i use dlna upnp ervers these days
[18:26] <SolarisB1y> yeps
[18:26] <SolarisB1y> really easy especially with a fairly recent tv
[18:27] <SolarisB1y> dr_willis: i actually use playstation media server (pms) lol
[18:27] <Kyle__> SolarisB1y: I always had problems with audio-syncing with pms. I'm using mediatomb.
[18:28] <ShadowPhrogg3264> guys, any idea why my 12.04.1 server installer pendrive fails to load storage-core-modules-...?
[18:28] <Kyle__> SolarisB1y: That said, I've got an insane mediatomb config that's grown organically for years now.
[18:28] <SolarisB1y> Kyle__: hrmmm =)
[18:28] <ShadowPhrogg3264> tried redownloading the image, md5 passed
[18:28] <SolarisB1y> Kyle__: yea i know what you mean - i run into things here and there - more so i think from whats in the containers i play which are random
[18:28] <SolarisB1y> but you interest me now with this mediatomb you speak of - and i reallly wanted to get away from running a java app..
[18:29] <Kyle__> SolarisB1y: Yea, once I gave up crafting my own ripping/encoding lines by hand, and just used handbrake, everything has been much somoother.  Even on mediatomb.
[18:29] <SolarisB1y> hahaha
[18:29] <SolarisB1y> Kyle__: im ashamed of myself lols
[18:29] <Kyle__> SolarisB1y: That said, I really don't want to re-encode all the crap I've got on the media server for my kids...
[18:29] <SolarisB1y> sounds like me with a 10 line ffmpeg thingy that eventually may fail after it runs lolZ
[18:30] <SolarisB1y> Kyle__: your making me sad =( i have the same issue
[18:31] <Kyle__> SolarisB1y: I know, me too.  I _liked_ knowing each flag and tweaking things here and there to get an awesome quality, yet very small, video file.  But in the days of cheap 2TB hard drives... meh?
[18:31] <SolarisB1y> kudos on the handbrake - i had it installed for a year but can't seem to rip myself away from archaic ffmpeg lines
[18:31] <SolarisB1y> Kyle__: cheers to you =)
[18:32] <kapz> anybody facing weird problem with firefox 16.0.1 after updating ubuntu 12.04? FF controls like buttokns and menu dont open or open transparent...
[18:33] <Kyle__> SolarisB1y: When you borrow your in-laws only copy of an out of print movie to back up, that their autistic son MUST watch every 12 hours, handbreak.  She puts the dvd in the drive.  She clicks on handbrake.
[18:33] <Kyle__> She clicks on handbrake, or she gets the hose again.
[18:33] <SolarisB1y> lols right on
[18:39] <malin> I have an Atheros AR9462 wifi-card. running Ubuntu 12.04. Computer: Acer v5-531. The problem is. When booting Ubuntu I got an indicator-message saying: network connection disconnected. Then it does not find any wifi-networks. After a minute or two it do connect to the wifi. What could be the reason it does not connect right after login ?
[18:41] <mysticalzero> malin: check syslog. there might be clues.
[18:42] <malin> mysticalzero: ok. I could check
[18:42] <kapz> anybody facing weird problem with firefox 16.0.1 after updating ubuntu 12.04? FF controls like buttokns and menu dont open or open transparent...
[18:43] <Haunt_House> hi, is there a simple way to tell my application to run on separate cores? I want to do screencasts
[18:47] <invisibleheero> Hey guys how do I remove the Amazon crap?  Also, my Firefox refuses to save anything if i try "Save Page As" it does nothing
[18:47] <trism> invisibleheero: remove unity-lens-shopping or to get rid of all online results, System Settings/Privacy/Include Online Results, no
[18:49] <mysticalzero> Haunt_House: you can use taskset to do that. not sure if it is included by default in ubuntu though. otherwise check the repo.
[18:49] <jrib> !adlens | invisibleheero
[18:49] <Haunt_House> I'd like to run blender on one core and recordmydesktop on others
[18:50] <jrib> Haunt_House: taskset
[18:50] <Haunt_House> in the shell?
[18:50] <dr_willis> !info taskset
[18:50] <mysticalzero> Haunt_House: yes
[18:50] <Haunt_House> ah, I'll try
[18:50] <Haunt_House> thank you
[18:52] <GeorgeTorwell> Hi, I installed Ubuntu 12.10, and I selected full disk encryption during the setup, but it doesn't ask me for any disk password when I boot up, it goes right into the lightDM screen. I tried to install it twice, both times it looks like it didn't set up the disk encryption. What gives?
[18:54] <blakes> Having a terrible time with network printing (12.04LTS). Some jobs just disappear, some jobs print, some applications don't see network printers.  Anyone want to work through some troubleshooting with me on this?
[18:55] <mobiusstriper> trying to ssh, it seems the GUI key agent is not working: http://dpaste.org/KpSMr/
[18:55] <zlatan> hi, when using live ubuntu 12.10 all was ok, but when installing it it had really bad graphics and was too slow, after installing fglrx driver I only get wallpaper and nothing else.. any solution?
[18:55] <luchenbill> I have a fresh install of ubutntu on vps, i'm trying to install django framework for python, I try sudo apt-get install django and nothing works, is there any way to 'search' for a package?
[18:56] <wilee-nilee> GeorgeTorwell, Are you ticking the autologin option at the name and password gui?
[18:56] <GeorgeTorwell> No
[18:56] <GeorgeTorwell> I couldn't change that option (because Im using an exisiting home partition probably)
[18:57] <wilee-nilee> GeorgeTorwell, I only encrypt one file for passwords so not sure just wondering on that one point.
[18:59] <GeorgeTorwell> wilee-nilee: The only reason I even installed 12.10 was because of this feature I dont understand why it would just skip it entirely
[18:59] <GeorgeTorwell> it asked me for my passphrase and everything during setup,but when I reboot its like it didnt install it at all
[19:00] <wilee-nilee> GeorgeTorwell, It probably has something to do with having a home already as far as getting it setup have you checked the encrytion wiki's
[19:00] <wilee-nilee> encryption*
[19:00] <GeorgeTorwell> it shouldn't, the full disk encryption is seperate from home directory encryption
[19:01] <ovidiu-florin> hey guys, what is the most efficient way to uninstall LibreOffice completely? I mean all packages? sudo apt-get --purge  libreoffice doesn't seem to do the trick.
[19:01] <terry1311> just installed kubuntu-desktop and awesome on ubuntu 12.10 - but no matter which session i select, lightdm will log me into unity - any suggestions?
[19:02] <gatuus> ovidiu-florin: pt-get --purge  libreoffice.*   ????
[19:02] <wilee-nilee> !encrypt
[19:02] <gatuus> ovidiu-florin: apt-get (sorry)
[19:03] <ovidiu-florin> gatuus: is that a question or a recommendation?
[19:04] <gatuus> ovidiu-florin: a recommendation: try: apt-get --purge  libreoffice.*    or libreoffice*(without the dot)
[19:05] <ovidiu-florin> I tried that and I still found some installed packages when running sudo aptitude search libreoffice
[19:06] <willwork4foo> Hi all. Forgive me if someone else has raised this, but - my /etc/hosts file keeps getting overwritten at boot time for some crazy reason. I'm running Ubuntu 12.10 (64 bit) - and this is driving me mad. A bunch of other entries I've added to the /etc/hosts file are persisting, but I'm trying to add more and they are wiped after every reboot.
[19:06] <willwork4foo> Does anyone know what might be causing this?
[19:06] <willwork4foo> I've tried all suggestions from Google, to no avail.
[19:07] <alexbligh> What is the recommended way in precise x86_64 to put the console into 80x43 mode post boot, if you don't (in advance) know the vga modes of the target computer. I have so far tried resizecons (which is missing on x86_64, LP#789196, which I have patched and fixed, but requires per machine modefiles), svgatextmode (which has gone AWOL), svgalib-bin (which says it is 'unsafe'). Any ideas?
[19:07] <invisibleheero> I still have the amazon button though. how do I remove the button?
[19:09] <dr_willis> right click... unpin.....)
[19:09] <dr_willis> or whatever its called..
[19:10] <dgsafewright> Does anyone have any information on the difference from Ubuntu 12.04.1 and Ubuntu 12.10?
[19:10] <dr_willis> tons of sites shouing whats new in 12.10
[19:10] <xangua> !releasenotes | dgsafewright
[19:10] <dgsafewright> Thank You
[19:11] <dgsafewright> and the changes are in the release notes?
[19:12] <f00dMonsta> damn, kde is so much smoother than unity
[19:13] <ovidiu-florin> gatuus: thank you, that fixed it
[19:14] <hylian> i was using a program called touchpad-indicator to kill my touchpad. It is no longer available for Ubuntu 12.10. Does anyone know of a possible viable solution?
[19:14] <wilee-nilee> ovidiu-florin, config files still are around with some apps inspite of a purge removal.
[19:14] <ovidiu-florin> wilee-nilee: how do I get rid of them?
[19:14] <mcb_1>  willwork4foo: This may help you. It is only a workaraound, but maybe it can solve for you. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-March/241538.html
[19:14] <aleksandar22> does anyone know of a tiled window manager that will run in a single window in gdm. sth like terminator for non-terminal windows
[19:15] <wilee-nilee> ovidiu-florin, I do what you did search for them, this is a problem if someone wants openoffice instead as they shre some files so a search cleans these out.
[19:15] <wilee-nilee> share*
[19:15] <willwork4foo> mcb_1, that's a workaround I already know about - I'm looking for the root cause.
[19:15] <FiVeSeVeN> hi
[19:15] <willwork4foo> I'd been able to modify the file a few times in the past, but all new edits are being removed.
[19:17] <wilee-nilee> ovidiu-florin, Sometimes as well the extras are in root so a search from gksudo nautilus is needed for a straight delete, I set my preferences in nautilus and root nautilus as a straight delete, I never use trash.
[19:18] <mcb_1> willwork4foo: As i read in the posts it is caused by the network-manager. Same thing happened to me with /etc/resolv.conf ... I do not knnow more then that.
[19:23] <imtiaz> I am using ubuntu lts 12.04, I can not connect my TV (HDMI) form my laptop
[19:24] <johnjacobjingerh> how do u change to a different channel i am alread connected to in IRSSI?
[19:24] <mcb_1> willwork4foo: In this link there is more about the subject. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/659817
[19:24] <johnjacobjingerh> i have multiple channels and want to get to another one
[19:24] <basil1x> Hullo.  My DVD drive throws up an error when I insert a blank DVD.  I just upgraded to 12.10.  My DVD drive seems to be mounted as both sr0 and sg1.  Is there any way to fix this?
[19:24] <GeorgeTorwell> Ubuntu 12.10 SUCKS!
[19:25] <basil1x>  /ignore GeorgeTorwell
[19:25] <NaZZaX> hey is there something wrong with keyserver.ubuntu.com
[19:25] <wilee-nilee> basil1x, needs a all there
[19:25] <jrib> johnjacobjingerh: /buffer  or alt-# where # is a number
[19:25] <basil1x> got it
[19:26] <GeorgeTorwell> This is too unstable to be a release
[19:26] <johnjacobjingerh> ah thanks jrib
[19:26] <NewWorld> basil1x:  what error do you get?
[19:26] <GeorgeTorwell> im going back to 12.04
[19:26] <johnjacobjingerh> thats what i was looking for :-)
[19:26] <graingert> is there a way to generate the VisualHostKey style images from arbitrary hash output
[19:26] <jrib> GeorgeTorwell: keep in mind this channel is for support (not ranting)
[19:26] <wilee-nilee> GeorgeTorwell, Posts like that have you added to many ignore lists I suspect, at least mine anyway, this makes it harder to get help.
[19:26] <GeorgeTorwell> well im ranting because there is no support for my problem
[19:27] <imtiaz> Need support: to connect HDMI to laptop running lts 12.04
[19:27] <basil1x> NewWorld: 'Unable to mount Blank DVD+R location is already mounted
[19:27] <jrib> GeorgeTorwell: I don't really care /why/ are you ranting.  I care that you stop doing it in this channel.  If you have a support question, just ask it and be patient
[19:27] <marouane> please can someone tell me what's better gksudo or sudo and why ? :)
[19:27] <graingert> marouane: if you're running a GUI app use gksudo
[19:27] <NewWorld> basil1x:  can you pastebin your /etc/fstab ?
[19:27] <GeorgeTorwell> I dont really care whether you  care or dont care, jrib. It is irrelevant to me.
[19:27] <wilee-nilee> marouane, gksudo is for graphic and sudo for text basically.
[19:28] <basil1x> NewWorld: yes
[19:28] <unheeding> GeorgeTorwell, you troll here as well?  Man you need to get a life
[19:28] <graingert> marouane: eg gksudo gedit, sudo vim
[19:28] <GeorgeTorwell> troll?
[19:28] <unheeding> graingert, dont tell people to sudo vim
[19:28] <graingert> marouane: but mostly it's for doing launchers
[19:28] <unheeding> only bad things can happen with vim
[19:28] <jrib> GeorgeTorwell: in any case, get back on topic please (support, not ranting).  Thanks.
[19:28] <graingert> unheeding: sudo nano?
[19:28] <graingert> sudo emacs?
[19:28] <unheeding> thats fine
[19:29] <graingert> unheeding: keep your religion out of #ubuntu
[19:29] <NewWorld> sudo ed
[19:29] <NaZZaX> i thought when you do apt-key adv you can specify hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 to force port 80 vs 11371
[19:29] <marouane> graingert : but sudo work well with gui app too am i wrong ?
[19:30] <xangua> !gksu | marouane
[19:30] <basil1x> NewWorld: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1305657/
[19:30] <wilee-nilee> marouane, works yes but use gksudo there are reasons why to keep your setup in order.
[19:30] <dr_willis> marouane:  use gksudo. sudo can cause issues with gui apps
[19:31] <Mickepicke> what is kernel panic?
[19:31] <graingert> marouane: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo#Graphical_sudo
[19:31] <NewWorld> basil1x:  So put in your DVD, do `sudo umount /dev/sg1 && sudo umount /dev/sr0` then `sudo mount /dev/sr0 /where/ever/mountpoint/is`
[19:32] <marouane> ok thank you all ;)
[19:32] <nbf> Mickepicke: it's what happens when the kernel process crashes
[19:32] <dr_willis> Mickepicke:  a major crash of the core of the os
[19:32] <Mickepicke> i tryed to install an i386 verson on an i586
[19:32] <nbf> essentially
[19:32] <nbf> it's like linux's BSOD
[19:32] <aleksandar22> Mick: Kernel panic is what happens when linux kernel gets some bad input and "panics" (crashes). AFAIK.
[19:32] <Mickepicke> but can i install on a i586?
[19:33] <dr_willis> Mickepicke: what program?
[19:33] <nbf> yeah that should work (assuming the rest of the environment supports it
[19:33] <Mickepicke> any linux distro
[19:33] <Mickepicke> i tryed with Ubuntu and it faild
[19:34] <gordonjcp> Mickepicke: you can't, with Ubuntu
[19:34] <gordonjcp> Mickepicke: well - you can, but the latest supported is 10.04
[19:34] <Mickepicke> is there any light wight disto that can ?
[19:34] <Mickepicke> an on a 1 gb hdd
[19:34] <gordonjcp> Mickepicke: what are you installing onto?
[19:34] <Mickepicke> minipc lx800
[19:35] <gordonjcp> give 10.04 a shot, or something like puppy linux
[19:35] <basil1x> NewWorld:  no dice... same error
[19:35] <Jimu> does the LiveCD come with Partimage?
[19:35] <NewWorld> basil1x:  so it unmounted successfully? and then you mounted only sr0 and it still mounted to sg1?
[19:36] <imtiaz> Help Please. on my laptop "Inter HD 3000" graphic card is Installed (Ubuntu 12.04). I want to connect the TV with HDMI but nothing happens.
[19:36] <JohnOTD> Hi all. I'm trying to use Chromium web browser but it doesn't seem to be working since I switched from Unity to Cinnamon. Any ideas?
[19:36] <NaZZaX> gah i forgot how to set highlight when someone says my name
[19:36] <NaZZaX> i just see a sea of green
[19:36] <basil1x> NewWorld: it tells me sg1 isn't mounted... but wodim --devices says it is
[19:37] <genera> Mickepicke, no further info that came with that kernel panic?
[19:37] <xangua> JohnOTD: did you try a fresh chromium profile¿ (either move, rename or remove your .chromium hidden directory)
[19:38] <JohnOTD> xangua: I'm deleting it right now and going to reinstall. Just wondering if anyone had any ideas why there would be a conflict
[19:38] <max987> hi guys! my pretty fresh (1 day old) ubuntu installation just crashed and i dont find any error in /var/log/syslog ..
[19:38] <NewWorld> basil1x:  I have this in my fstab, try putting it in (http://pastebin.com/7pgQcFr3). Unmount the DVD devices then `sudo mount /dev/sr0`
[19:39] <NaZZaX> nevermind anywho on apt-key adv i should be able to use keyserver.ubuntu.com right?
[19:39] <NewWorld> max987:  when it crashed did it restart or shutdown totally?
[19:39] <max987> newworld: it did shut down without restart
[19:40] <NewWorld> max987:  that's bad :/ not sure where the logs are sorry
[19:40] <max987> newworld: i was about to install some stuff (tux racer or gimp cant remember exactly)
[19:40] <max987> newworld: logs are all in /var/log, thats what the ubuntu documentation tells me
[19:40] <Mickepicke> genera: no :(
[19:41] <doug_f> Which FS is best for storage of VMs on an iSCSI SAN?
[19:41] <NewWorld> max987:  have you checked all those logs? sort by date and check ones that have been written to from the time of the crash onwards
[19:41] <max987> newworld: i checked dmesg, syslog and kern.something .. could not open the 'messages' file, whyever.. other logfiles dont look related
[19:42]  * NaZZaX is wondering if anyone knows about apt-key in here
[19:42] <genera> strange
[19:42] <OerHeks> " Dreadtower is now known as Breadflour" will be changing name with a script in 5 minutes, as he did the last hours every 15 minutes.
[19:42] <NewWorld> max987:  check messages, it requires root p/w though
[19:42] <basil1x> NewWorld:  can't edit fstab.  I think I'm going to clean-install this thing, and see if that helps
[19:42] <wols> max987: /var/log/messages* but, you rarely find anything in there when it actually crashed
[19:43] <wols> or any other log
[19:43] <max987> newworld: its not asking me for a pw, its just showing the be empty
[19:43] <basil1x> if not, it's back to 12.04LTS
[19:43] <random123> Hello, I've got a fresh ubuntu 12.10 install. Now my graphic is broken and Unity wont load. This happend after I changed graphics driver to nvidia properity drivers. How do i switch back to the default?
[19:43] <wols> basil1x: why not? sudo nano /etc/fstab
[19:43] <max987> didnt i sometime ago read that messages is depricated and now the stuff is in syslog?
[19:43] <NewWorld> max987:  how are you trying to edit it? do `sedit /etc/fstab` to edit as root
[19:43] <wols> random123: in console: dpkg -l |grep nvidia.   remove those packages
[19:43] <max987> newworld: you mix users :D
[19:43] <NewWorld> XP
[19:44] <max987> newworld: i will do a sudo gedit on it
[19:44] <NewWorld> max987:  if it's deprecated my bad. I'm just throwing ideas at you
[19:44] <random123> wols: Thanks. Rather seriouse that the package is broken however?
[19:44] <wols> max987: if you ues gedit, you will need gksudo
[19:44] <max987> newworld: not sure about that.
[19:44] <wols> random123: what card, what Xorg.0.log?
[19:44] <NewWorld> basil1x:  :  how are you trying to edit it? do `sedit /etc/fstab` to edit as root
[19:44] <random123> Nvidia 460 very popular
[19:45] <max987> newworld: wols: ok i gksudo its s it and its still empty
[19:45] <basil1x> got it... was not editing as root
[19:45] <imtiaz> Card Interl HD 3000
[19:45] <random123> Wgere can I find Xorg.0.log?
[19:45] <blastedt> Hi, I'm looking for a bit of advice if you guys don't mind.  I'm looking to dualboot win7 and ubuntu, does the LiveCD have utilities for this?
[19:45] <wols> random123: /var/log
[19:45] <NaZZaX> what is the pastebin app again?
[19:45] <basil1x> NewWorld:  Now what?  I've edited the file
[19:45] <wols> blastedt: is it do all automatically
[19:45] <NaZZaX> apt-get install pastebin?
[19:45] <max987> nazzax: its a website to copy some output to
[19:45] <max987> nazzax: pastebin.com
[19:45] <NewWorld> max987:  what's the name of the file you're viewing? /var/log/messages.log , yes?
[19:45] <blastedt> wols: ?
[19:46] <NaZZaX> is that the right syntax to install?
[19:46] <max987> newworld: no, there is only /var/log/messages
[19:46] <imtiaz> log http://paste.ubuntu.com/1305688/
[19:46] <NewWorld> basil1x:  put in my file, save and exit the editor. Then unmount everything, put in the cd and do `sudo mount /dev/sr0`
[19:46] <wols> blastedt: it does all automatically
[19:46] <max987> newworld: i also checked the xorg logfile without finding errors
[19:46] <blastedt> Looking to format, also, my Windows install is pretty clammed up.  Should I install Win7 first and install Ubuntu from inside the OS?
[19:47] <random123> :/var/log$ less Xorg.0.log | grep error
[19:47] <random123> 	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[19:47] <random123> [     2.507] (EE) NVIDIA:     system's kernel log for additional error messag
[19:47] <NewWorld> max987:  this is mysterious. I dunno where else to check if it's not in /var/log
[19:47] <max987> newworld: im on a acer netbook if that matters (my battery reports to be full and is attached to wired .. stuff)
[19:47] <wilee-nilee> blastedt, You can basically do your dualboot from a live cd. YOU want to know the limitations in the amounts and types of partitions allowed on a single HD though. YOu also want to resize the W7 with its partitioner, leaving a unallocated space for another OS.
[19:47] <genii-around> max987: There may be a file in your home directory called something like .xsession-errors
[19:47] <NewWorld> max987:  how long before you noticed it crashed and it shutdown? Did it crash & shutdown immediatly?
[19:47] <max987> genii-around: ill check sec
[19:48] <OerHeks> !away > Dreadtower
[19:48] <max987> newworld: yes it turned black and i noticed the power led was off.
[19:48] <random123> Thanks for the help im off the enjoy my desktop
[19:48] <Ampersand> Hi evertone, I'd like to ask a question. Since I've upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10, all the time when I shut down or reboot the computer, the "Ubuntu 12.10" splash screen fills up with text like "Asking all remaining processes to terminate [OK], Mail transport agent postfix [OK]" and it continues... The shut down/restart goes on without any problem, however, I'd like not to see this text if possible. Could yopu please tell me if anything can be done about this?
[19:48] <blastedt> will the live CD open a menu on every boot, or do i need to install GRUB or something to get a menu on each boot?
[19:48] <blastedt> thanks
[19:48] <Ampersand> *everyone, sorry
[19:48] <basil1x> NewWorld:  'Mount Point /media/cdrom does not exist
[19:49] <max987> genii-around, the file is there and has a lot of entries but i dont understand them :-)
[19:49] <NewWorld> max987:  if it shutdown instantly, maybe it was a hardware fault. i'm just guessing though
[19:49] <NewWorld> basil1x:  create it
[19:49] <genii-around> max987: Probably put the contents into a pastebin so someone can go dissect it
[19:50] <basil1x> NewWorld:  how?
[19:50] <wilee-nilee> blastedt, With a ubuntu install grub is installed you will have a menu at powering on to choose from.
[19:50] <max987> genii-around, if you insist but it has 351 lines ^^
[19:50] <NewWorld> basil1x:  sudo mkdir.....
[19:51] <wilee-nilee> blastedt, The live cd just runs itself.
[19:51] <blastedt> ah I see MS destroys the boot loader when windows is installed, pleasant.
[19:51] <NewWorld> max987:  genii-around : when has X ever crashed and just flat-out shutdown the computer? usually X restarts or it throws you into shell
[19:51] <basil1x> NewWorld: Can't read superblock
[19:51] <blastedt> what im looking for is when all is said and done, and the CDs are packed away, every boot it asks me for Ubuntu/Win7 instead of having to go into the BIOS and choose the boot partition
[19:51] <NewWorld> basil1x:  `sudo mkdir /media/cdrom`
[19:52] <wilee-nilee> blastedt, This is easily remedied with reloading the mbr, you can put grub or the MS bootloader with just a few commands from a disc.
[19:52] <blastedt> oh thanks wilee
[19:52] <basil1x> NewWorld:  I did that
[19:52] <blastedt> didnt see that earlier one about the menu
[19:52] <max987> genii-around, here we go, its pretty much the same all time so i just uploaded last few: http://pastebin.com/W19xrQsc
[19:52] <NewWorld> basil1x:  well..... now mount ofcourse
[19:52] <blastedt> alright im gonna root around and try to find more stuff to backup, i feel like im missing something.  hopefully I'll be back in a few hours on a ubuntu install
[19:53] <max987> newworld: if you are interested (and as genii just left), i pastebin'd my xsession errorlog here http://pastebin.com/W19xrQsc
[19:53] <basil1x> NewWorld:  I tried that... that's when  it told me 'can't read superblock'
[19:53] <lapion> anybody know of any protest against abandoning 11.04, like was done against the abandoning of W XP ?
[19:53] <NewWorld> basil1x:  sorry, i dunno wwhat that error means. you should google it
[19:54] <wilee-nilee> blastedt, This is an excellent site for info.  http://members.iinet.net.au/~herman546/p23.html
[19:54] <jrib> lapion: why would there be...?  It's announced well in advance and you can simply upgrade to 11.10
[19:54] <blastedt> thanks wilee
[19:54] <wilee-nilee> no problem. ;)
[19:54] <NewWorld> max987:  I'm not 100% but it looks like just stuff to do with your network card. gnome-keyring manages keys for networks, ecore seems network-related since it has DNS in it's name.
[19:55] <NewWorld> max987:  doubt that network stuff crashed your computer. Particularly if it's been outputting these errors before and after the crash
[19:55] <max987> newworld: my network is working fine so maybe its not crash related
[19:56] <lapion> jrib, protest against unity
[19:56] <max987> genii-around, welcome back, i pastebin'd here http://pastebin.com/W19xrQsc and newworld took a look on it, seems to be network related only
[19:56] <basil1x> NewWorld:  thanks, but this has just reached my limit.  I will now reinstall 12.10, clean this time, and attempt to recreate my system.  If that fails, I shallreinstall 12.04, which did not have this error
[19:56] <NewWorld> basil1x:  OK good luck)
[19:57] <basil1x> TTFN o/
[19:57] <SplasHX11> Hi, I've installed ubuntu 12.04 desktop on my server which has normally no monitor. When I connect a monitor, the resolution is set to 1920x1080 and I can use x11vnc and a client to control the server remotely with this resolution. But if the server starts without monitor the resolution is set to 1024x768. With the gui under system settings I can't set it, because every control is disabled
[19:57] <SplasHX11> (grey). How can I set the resolution without monitor connected?
[19:57] <NewWorld> max987:  if this happened only once, I'd just forget about it. also, i'd hate for this to be a hardware fault :/
[19:58] <GeorgeTorwell> what is LVM? Do I need it to do full disk encryption?
[19:58] <gordonjcp> GeorgeTorwell: Logical Volume Manager
[19:58] <max987> NewWorld, seems like i cant do much anyways as logfiles are empty.. ofc i dont feel very confident about a crash without log entries on 2nd day of use (makes me guess it could be a HW / driver problem too :-( )
[19:59] <lion42> GeorgeTorwell, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_%28Linux%29 and yes, afaik.
[19:59] <gordonjcp> !lvm | GeorgeTorwell
[19:59] <blastedt> i cant believe the only thing I have to backup is wallpaper images, I must be missing something important
[19:59] <NewWorld> max987:  keep your receipts and warranty docs
[19:59] <GeorgeTorwell> lion42: the ubuntu installer lets you select full disk encryption without also having to select USE LVM
[20:00] <err-or> blastedt: what do you want to backup?
[20:00] <wilee-nilee> blastedt, This a OEM windows install?
[20:00] <max987> NewWorld, i will thanks. if problems occur again i will probably try another distro first or to update some drivers .. it worked pretty well and out of the box yet ..
[20:00] <blastedt> i have no idea. trying to find any important data out of all the stuff I have.  just don't think that the only important thing here is wallpapers
[20:01] <blastedt> i feel like i've forgotten something important but no idea what that something is haha
[20:01] <lion42> GeorgeTorwell, oh, perhaps that's the most recent one (which I don't run.) I have given you mistaken information. The only way I have set up fully encrypted ubuntu is with an LVM.
[20:01] <err-or> blastedt: you mean ubuntu or what?
[20:01] <blastedt> no, preparing to format and install ubuntu
[20:01] <GeorgeTorwell> yes its the most recent one
[20:01] <err-or> blastedt: depends on what you think is important? ;)
[20:02] <wilee-nilee> blastedt, Up to the PRO version you are allowed one full backup a clone of the OS, also make a recovery disc as well.
[20:02] <GeorgeTorwell> maybe thats why its not doing the disk encryption for me, but I dont undeerstand why the installer would make it optional if its required to encrypt hte disk
[20:02] <wilee-nilee> unless you have a install disc.
[20:02] <max987> NewWorld, genii-around: thanks for your help and time, have a nice day bb
[20:02] <Ampersand> Hi everyone, I'd like to ask a question. Since I've upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10, all the time when I shut down or reboot the computer, the "Ubuntu 12.10" splash screen fills up with text like "Asking all remaining processes to terminate [OK], Mail transport agent postfix [OK]" and it continues... The shut down/restart goes on without any problem, however, I'd like not to see this text if possible. Could you please tell me if anything can be done about this?
[20:02] <blastedt> yeah I have an install disk through MSDNAA
[20:02] <wilee-nilee> cool, you can use it for repairs when needed
[20:03] <Erik_D> Ampersand: I suggest turning off your monitor :P
[20:03] <GeorgeTorwell> lmao
[20:03] <Erik_D> But I'm not sure how to actually fix it, sorry
[20:03] <dr_willis> SplasHX11: dont use x11vnc on a headless box. i use tightvnc normally.
[20:04] <Ampersand> lol... yeah, not a bad idea, if it'd turn off once i press shutdown :P
[20:04]  * Erik_D has always wondered why nobody has implemented that
[20:05] <Ampersand> I've been doing some reading on the internet and found this: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT... but being related to booting/GRUB, I'm not so sure it's safe to use
[20:05] <GeorgeTorwell> Ampersand: it only displays the text for a few seconds at most, why does that matter so much to you?
[20:05] <dr_willis> SplasHX11: x11vnc shares the current displayed desktop. you dont need that.  thats the core of the issue
[20:06] <Ampersand> it doesn't matter so much, i was just wondering if there is an option to stop it completely
[20:06] <brandon420> I just upgraded minecraft, and it caused my second monitor to stop working. I can't figure out how to get it to work again. I am using ubuntu 12.10 unity-also tried gnome. It is a intel integrated video chip.
[20:06] <dr_willis> Ampersand: it changes the default grub boot options.. no magic v;-)
[20:06] <brandon420> Think anyone could point me in the right direction?
[20:06] <MiningMarsh> Ampersand: that messages are not related to grub at all.
[20:06] <dr_willis> Ampersand: plymouth is just flakey with some  drivers
[20:06] <SplasHX11> dr_willis: yes, but that shouldn't be a problem if it is possible to set the resolution without monitor connected?
[20:07] <Ampersand> ah, i see.. so this is because of the driver?
[20:07] <dr_willis> SplasHX11: with tightvnc you can..
[20:07] <Ampersand> probably the NVIDIA one.. it's the only one i needed to install through the additional drivers program
[20:07] <dr_willis> SplasHX11: x11vnc is a soecialized vnc server
[20:07] <castle> hey all... anyone here familiar with SSH tunneling with ubuntu?
[20:08] <bekks> castle: Yeah.
[20:08] <bekks> castle: Just ask, please.
[20:08] <Erik_D> castle: probably a lot of us. shoot
[20:08] <Guest64422> hello everybody, i have just installed ubuntu12.4 and i need to install longman contemporary dictionary on it , how can i do that? and is it free as other ubuntu package?
[20:08] <brandon420> Could someone help me get my second monitor working again?
[20:08] <castle> bekks:  i have an interesting scenario.. I have a PC at home with ssh (I am sshed in right now from school).. I need to access a website on a different server on my home network
[20:08] <Ampersand> well.. i'll get used to it :P thanks everyone!
[20:09] <domedagen> When I use Nautilus as root it shows more files than when I'm using it without gksu. How can I see these files as a normal user?
[20:09] <castle> i'm basically trying to access my router's config page from school and I have ssh access to a local computer on my home LAN
[20:09] <bekks> ssh -CX instead ssh
[20:09] <Erik_D> Ampersand: Sorry we couldn't be more help
[20:09] <castle> bekks using Putty i at school i should say
[20:09] <bekks> And then just open a webbrowser across your ssh session.
[20:09] <Ampersand> no problem
[20:09] <EnderMB> Hey, I'm trying to install Ubuntu by setting up three partitions (root, swap, home). However, I've already got three partitions on my disk (Windows C, recovery, dell windows recovery) and as there's a limit of four partitions I'm a bit stuck. Anyone got any ideas on how I can handle this?
[20:09] <castle> i was using these instructions
[20:09] <brandon420> domedagen, have you tried ctrl+h? to show hidden files?
[20:10] <castle> http://howto.ccs.neu.edu/howto/windows/ssh-port-tunneling-with-putty/
[20:10] <gordonjcp> EnderMB: extended partitions
[20:10] <MiningMarsh> EnderMB: use gparted to create an extended partition
[20:10] <Erik_D> castle: look up the X vs Y option too, while you're at it
[20:10] <Erik_D> for ssh
[20:10] <brandon420> _cronus_, ptp?
[20:10] <MiningMarsh> EnderMB: its a partition you can put virtual partitions into. It ahs no virtual partition limit
[20:10] <domedagen> brandon420: Sorry was looking in the wrong directory
[20:10] <GeorgeTorwell> EnderMB: set up an extended partition
[20:11] <brandon420> Can someone help me get my second monitor working again? I just updated minecraft and it caused it to crash....
[20:11] <EnderMB> MiningMarsh: So, when I boot up Ubuntu using the CD, open up Gparted and turn all the free space into one extended partition?
[20:11] <domedagen> brandon420: Installing Matlab and it is difficult as fuck
[20:11] <blastedt> instead of using Window's built-in partitioner can I boot from the liveCD and use gparted?
[20:11] <IdleOne> !language | domedagen
[20:12] <MiningMarsh> EnderMB: Yes. I suggest a seperate gparted livecd. Its a little safer I think.
[20:12] <brandon420> domedagen, isn't that in the software center?
[20:12] <SplasHX11> dr_willis: ok. should I use thightvnc or is vnc4server also possible?
[20:13] <domedagen> brandon420: Nope, mega commersial. Got a license from uni
[20:13] <brandon420> SplasHX11, vnc4serve is much simpler than tightvnc
[20:13] <dr_willis> SplasHX11: e
[20:13] <Erik_D> domedagen: Using or installing MATLAB? :P
[20:13] <GeorgeTorwell> Is anyone else completely unable to use the ubuntu software center? This is ridiculous
[20:13] <domedagen> Erik_D: installing
[20:13] <EnderMB> MiningMarsh: So, when I create this extended partition, the Ubuntu installer will let me split that into separate virtual partitions
[20:13] <EnderMB> (Sorry, I'm a bit new to Linux)
[20:13] <Erik_D> domedagen: heh, what's not working?
[20:13] <MiningMarsh> GeorgeTorwell: It kept freezing for me
[20:14] <dr_willis> software center workwd for me..
[20:14] <GeorgeTorwell> yeah me too
[20:14] <nsaquatics> Good Day!
[20:14] <OerHeks> GeorgeTorwell, use synaptic :-)
[20:14] <GeorgeTorwell> and its been happening since 12.04
[20:14] <gordonjcp> EnderMB: yes, what happens is you create an extended partition then create more partitions inside that
[20:14] <GeorgeTorwell> I thought they would have fixed it by now
[20:14] <gordonjcp> EnderMB: as many as you want
[20:14] <dr_willis> but i dont use it a lot
[20:14] <EnderMB> gordonjcp: Awesome, I'll give it a go, thanks
[20:14] <brandon420> Could anyone help me fix my external monitor? ubuntu 12.10 intel integrated chip
[20:14] <domedagen> Erik_D: Octave is a press of a button. Matlab is trouble with accounts, write persmissions, iso and restrictions provided by MathWorks
[20:15] <dr_willis> i tend to just apt-get
[20:15] <MiningMarsh> GeorgeTorwell: Not too muhc of a loss. The only thing the software center adds is reviews.
[20:15] <GeorgeTorwell> haha
[20:15] <GeorgeTorwell> well I like its search
[20:15] <GeorgeTorwell> and interface
[20:16] <GeorgeTorwell> more than synaptic
[20:16] <Erik_D> domedagen: Well, ask MathWorks for help (unless you pirated it, then expect no sympathy from anyone...)
[20:16] <MiningMarsh> GeorgeTorwell: aptitude search is pretty great, actually. Having a ui can be nice though. Synaptic is just sort of a hassle.
[20:17] <Chotaz> Hello, just finnish formatting my machine with Ubuntu 12.10 and I didn't get the usual drivers notification for my graphics card, how should I proceed?
[20:17] <Guest64422> has anyone install longman dictionary on ubuntu already?
[20:17] <brandon420> Chotaz, Do you notice any problems?
[20:17] <Chotaz> brandon420, yes, the fans are at 100% as usual before installing drivers
[20:17] <Kyle__> How do you, from the command line, set a system-wide proxy?  a simple file in /etc/proifles.d easily adds http_proxy and https_proxy to the users' environments just fine, but appaerenlty that's not what chrome or mozilla look at.
[20:17] <diplomatico> can anyone point me to where I could get help with compiz effects on UB stu 12.10?
[20:18] <brandon420> Chotaz, When I installed ubuntu on my current computer, the drivers came right without any input from me
[20:19] <Chotaz> brandon420, it seems that for me it didn't get any.
[20:19] <SplasHX11> vnc4server seems to be a complete small desktop environment. can I use it with the desktop version of ubuntu too, or only with the server version without display manager installed?
[20:19] <Chotaz> brandon420, also in the system details application the Graphics tab says mine is unknown.
[20:19] <brandon420> Chotaz, What card/chip do you have?
[20:19] <Chotaz> GeForce 9800GT
[20:20] <dr_willis> SplasHX11: install it. ssh in. run vncserver. connect with a vnc client....
[20:20] <brandon420> oh yay
[20:20] <brandon420> nvidia -_-
[20:20] <samwise87> hello there
[20:20] <samwise87> could anyone help me with virtualbox?
[20:20] <brandon420> hay
[20:20] <wols> samwise87: state your actual problem
[20:20] <Kyle__> samwise87: what's the problem?
[20:20] <samwise87> sure
[20:20] <Erik_D> samwise87: What's your actual proble,?
[20:20] <Erik_D> *problem
[20:20] <samwise87> well, I want to install win 95
[20:20] <dr_willis> SplasHX11: you can have a dozen vnc sessions going at the same time uf you wanted to
[20:21] <samwise87> I start, set up a new hard disk, I get that part
[20:21] <Erik_D> There's your problem :P
[20:21] <SplasHX11> okay, I try :)
[20:21] <brandon420> Chotaz, sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[20:21] <Kyle__> samwise87: OK, with you so far.
[20:21] <samwise87> um
[20:21] <szymon> hi, im writing simple application in python using quickly in ubuntu. Now I want to include few extra text files ( templates ) to my application and want to store it in ~/aplication_name/templates  how could I do this? ( or where should I look for help? )
[20:21] <brandon420> Chotaz, Then apt-get update
[20:21] <dr_willis> SplasHX11: x11vnc would be limited to one. u think
[20:21] <samwise87> then I mount a working ISO
[20:21] <brandon420> Chotaz, Then apt-get install nvidia-current nvidia-settings
[20:21] <samwise87> (quite sure it is working)
[20:21] <wilee-nilee> brandon420, xswat does not support quantal yet
[20:21] <samwise87> then I start it
[20:22] <samwise87> and can't install it
[20:22] <brandon420> wilee-nilee, huh?
[20:22] <Kyle__> samwise87: What does it do, and which version of virtualbox are you using?
[20:22] <samwise87> because it can't find the "hard disk"
[20:22] <wilee-nilee> brandon420, look at the ppa.
[20:22] <samwise87> 4.2.
[20:22] <samwise87> nothing basically
[20:22] <Kyle__> open or closed source?
[20:22] <brandon420> wilee-nilee, oh, dur
[20:22] <samwise87> open I think
[20:23] <wilee-nilee> brandon420, I was surprised myself they will catch up shortly probably.
[20:23] <Chotaz> brandon420, ill have to restart, right?
[20:23] <Kyle__> samwise87: Holdon, just did a fresh install, have to apt get it.
[20:23] <brandon420> Chotaz, you should. A relog may work.
[20:24] <samwise87> k
[20:24] <Kyle__> samwise87: You're doing this through their gui yes?  You can (and I have) done it through the command line, but it's well... a bit painful, especially if you're just getting started with it.
[20:24] <samwise87> yes
[20:24] <samwise87> gui]
[20:24] <Erik_D> samwise87: Do you know if it emulates IDE or SATA drives?
[20:24] <samwise87> IDE
[20:24] <Erik_D> I can;t remember
[20:24] <Kyle__> Erik_D: You can emulate both actually.
[20:25] <Erik_D> Ok
[20:25] <bekks> 13You can even emulate SAS and SCSI.
[20:25] <Kyle__> Erik_D: I don't think it can do virtio....
[20:25] <Kyle__> bekks: SAS I wasn't aware of.
[20:25] <OerHeks> brandon420, wilee-nilee xorg edgers is alive > https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[20:25] <Chotaz> Also, I see Skype as a free program than the Install button says Buy...?
[20:25] <Erik_D> Well 95 can only deal with IDE (I think)
[20:25] <brandon420> Can someone help me get my second monitor working? ubuntu 12.10 intel integrated chip
[20:25] <wilee-nilee> OerHeks, I had not checked there, I don't need the code myself.
[20:25] <Erik_D> brandon420: is it plugged in?
[20:26] <brandon420> Erik_D, Lol.
[20:26] <wilee-nilee> OerHeks, A little more risky, hehe.
[20:26] <brandon420> Let me check
[20:26] <Erik_D> brandon420: update drivers?
[20:26] <brandon420> Yeah, i think so. =p
[20:26] <usr13_> brandon420: You'll probably have to use xrandr.
[20:26] <dr_willis> Chotaz: yes..ms wants to sell you the service...
[20:26] <brandon420> I updated minecraft, my screen flashed black and only my laptop monitor came back on
[20:26] <usr13_> brandon420: .... but if you switch to Nvidia, there will be a GUI apt that makes it easy.
[20:26] <OerHeks> wilee-nilee, i know, there must be a good reason for using it. i would first try backports myself.
[20:27] <Erik_D> brandon420: I dont think that was minecraft...
[20:27] <Kyle__> ok samwise87, what OS/version did you choose when you started building your vm?  Which bittiness (32 64) ,etc?
[20:27] <Erik_D> Back in my day, we had to manually edit xorg.conf...
[20:27] <samwise87> couldn't choose bit
[20:27] <samwise87> windows and 95
[20:27] <Kyle__> Erik_D: Back in my day, it was called XFree86.conf
[20:27] <wilee-nilee> OerHeks, I have been lucky all my computers are old enough to not need anything but the regular repos code.
[20:28] <diplomatico> any assistance with compiz use with nvidia and ubuntu studio 12.10?
[20:28] <brandon420> Erik_D, It was working perfectly. And at exactly the same time i was updating it flashed. And now it will not detect it.
[20:28] <ikonia> !install
[20:28] <OerHeks> wilee-nilee, i run with the standard driver, only chrome gives artifacts and blurs
[20:28] <Kyle__> samwise87: Do you have a boot floppy for 95?  Windows didn't have a bootable install CD until 98se (if you don't count their corperate install image, which was bootable when 98 was first released).
[20:28] <dshea> !automate
[20:28] <dr_willis> diminoten: install ubuntu-desktop package and it will install it all..
[20:28] <samwise87> yes
[20:29] <samwise87> got one
[20:29] <Kyle__> OK, so you set it all up, but when you try and boot, it just hangs?
[20:29] <samwise87> that was the first isseue
[20:29] <samwise87> got around that
[20:29] <samwise87> well
[20:29] <brandon420> fml
[20:29] <samwise87> no, it is just nothign
[20:29] <Erik_D> Kyle__: I'm only 19, so it really hasn't been that long XD
[20:29] <samwise87> sorry, I will be more discriptive
[20:30] <wilee-nilee> OerHeks, On another topic I would like a nice purdy gui full live backup option though, I have not found one yet.
[20:30] <samwise87> it says a: (the floppy)
[20:30] <Kyle__> Erik_D: :D  keep at it.  Us unixy folks get grey beards awfully fast.  At 35 mine is already salt-and-pepper.
[20:30] <samwise87> and the cd drive becomes r:\
[20:30] <samwise87> but there is no c: like there should be
[20:30] <Erik_D> brandon420: Does minecraft mess with your graphics drivers at all?
[20:30] <samwise87> (at least in my opinion)\
[20:30] <Erik_D> Kyle__: Mine kinda growing in.
[20:31] <blastedt> Will Ubuntu connect to ethernet automatically, or should I put all my various drivers on a CD before installing?
[20:31] <OerHeks> wilee-nilee, Back In Time is a nice gui for rsync, diff and cron
[20:31] <wajeemba> hello all, I'm having trouble with sound. The status bar widget will not turn up, and when I manually crank it in ALSA, nothing happens. I received a toast notification about how my Intel HDA sound card wasn't available or something. ideas?
[20:31] <wilee-nilee> blastedt, I would make sure you tick the load updates in the install is all.
[20:32] <Kyle__> samwise87: When was the last time you installed win95?  My guess is, you need to make a new VM, choose the older chipset (piix3 I think), make sure it's an IDE drive, smaller than 4 or 8 GB, whichever was the barrier back then, and make your partition after you're in the installer.
[20:32] <blastedt> thank you
[20:32] <samwise87> I need to make a partition?
[20:32] <samwise87> I did not know that
[20:32] <blastedt> alright wish me luck, I think I'm off to format
[20:32] <wilee-nilee> OerHeks, I was looking at back in time yesterday, as of now I just use grsync for home and clonezilla for the whole thing.
[20:32] <Kyle__> samwise87: Windows95, I think you had to, yes.
[20:32] <samwise87> I chose 200 MB
[20:33] <Kyle__> samwise87: It's not like I've installed it recently :)
[20:33] <samwise87> because I don't have much room and it always was enough
[20:33] <dtigue> anyone know why centerim would change the names of my contacts on my android phone and how i can stop that from happening?
[20:33] <samwise87> I haven't in 10 years or so
[20:33] <samwise87> I could try 98
[20:33] <samwise87> I will try the chipset
[20:33] <samwise87> there is just no c: available
[20:33] <Debolaz> Hmm, ppa:brianmercer/php is disabled now. How do I get php-fpm in Ubuntu 10.04?
[20:33] <samwise87> which wrecks everythign
[20:33] <Kyle__> samwise87: There are some good reasources for 98 out there, including an unofficial update that gives it lots of modernesque drivers (at least for virtualization).
[20:34] <samwise87> I have a netbook
[20:34] <samwise87> that is the problem
[20:34] <samwise87> so I thought
[20:34] <samwise87> 95 is enough and doesn't need as much
[20:34] <samwise87> I might have to do 98
[20:35] <Erik_D> samwise87: out of curiosity, why do you need an ancient OS?
[20:35] <samwise87> really old games...
[20:35] <Erik_D> dosbox?
[20:35] <wajeemba> yeah, how old?
[20:36] <dr_willis> dosbox is great :)
[20:36] <samwise87> nope, sadly not - win games
[20:36] <Kyle__> samwise87: Wine or dosbox may be good for them.  Never nkow until you try it.
[20:36] <samwise87> tried both
[20:36] <wajeemba> hehe, if you can get win95 running, that definitely deserves props :}
[20:36] <malin> mysticalzero: her is a pastebin of syslog: http://pastebin.com/exJgRSsV
[20:36] <samwise87> of course
[20:37] <samwise87> it is in the list
[20:37] <samwise87> shouldn't it work then?
[20:37] <samwise87> it is the old chipset
[20:37] <samwise87> but my problem is easy to recreate
[20:37] <Erik_D> samwise87: I would think it dumbs down the hardware if you specify it :/
[20:37] <samwise87> I don't even get as far as installing
[20:37] <wols> samwise87: what IDE chipset do you use?
[20:37] <Erik_D> samwise87: Good luck though.
[20:37] <samwise87> because it doesn't find c:
[20:38] <dinamicex1> Hi! I need to use Java to solve algorithmic problems for school. Can someone tell me what's the fastest way to install and configure it to run with an editor/IDE?
[20:38] <acamilo> Hello, does anyone know how to throw up a quick, temporary IRC server? i'm working with an embedded device that will try to request an address. I don't want to install something perminent.
[20:38] <wols> !install java
[20:38] <acamilo> oops DHCP
[20:38] <wols> !java
[20:38] <samwise87> piix4
[20:38] <acamilo> brainfart. sorry
[20:38] <samwise87> good call
[20:38] <samwise87> let's see
[20:38] <wols> samwise87: it supports piix3 afaik. and even then you might need vendor provided drivers
[20:39] <samwise87> piix3 didn't help
[20:40] <samwise87> cd drive still becomes r (never did that) afaik
[20:40] <wols> how do you check it doesn't work?
[20:40] <wols> CD is irrelevant
[20:40] <samwise87> well there is only 2 drives available
[20:40] <samwise87> a and r
[20:40] <samwise87> I can't put windows anywhere
[20:41] <brandon420> Erik_D, I really don't think so. But both monitors have been working perfectly for days.
[20:41] <wols> samwise87: e.g. https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=16797
[20:41] <samwise87> wols: thanks
[20:41] <samwise87> I will read that
[20:41] <samwise87> I have been searching for days, never found anything
[20:43] <samwise87> hm
[20:43] <samwise87> didn't see that
[20:43] <samwise87> don't see the meaning as I tried both
[20:45] <wajeemba> no ideas on sound? I just tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto to no avail..
[20:45] <samwise87> so how does virtualbox behave differently than any old computer?
[20:46] <bekks> You can virtualize current computer using vbox as well.
[20:46] <wols> samwise87: there is no harddisk cause there are no partitions. run fdisk
[20:46] <samwise87> aha
[20:46] <samwise87> I will try that
[20:46] <samwise87> thanks
[20:47] <brandon420> Can anyone help me get my second monitor working again?
[20:48] <usr13_> brandon420: What happened to it?
[20:48] <OerHeks> anoying script, Dreadtower, changing name any 15 min
[20:50] <invisibleheero> Hey guys, my firefox doesn't seem to download anything anymore. I go to a page and try click on FILE -> SAVE AS and it doesn't do anything doesn't get saved to the Downloads folder and when I do a find / -iname ITEMNAMEHERE it doesn't find anything I tried a locate and a nautilus find too
[20:51] <brandon420> usr13, I'm not sure. I updated minecraft, my screen flashed black and only my laptop monitor came back on...
[20:51] <samwise87> wols: thanks a lot
[20:51] <samwise87> that was the missing step
[20:51] <samwise87> just as info
[20:52] <samwise87> I did read the manual
[20:52] <samwise87> I tried searching
[20:52] <usr13_> brandon420: Minecraft blew away your display settings.
[20:52] <samwise87> never saw this
[20:52] <wastrel> minecraft :[
[20:52] <samwise87> never had to use it before
[20:52] <samwise87> so thanks a lot for your help
[20:52] <samwise87> I can go on trying
[20:52] <samwise87> that was the missing step
[20:53] <wilee-nilee> !enter
[20:53] <malin> mysticalzero: I changed ipv6 to ignore in network-manager and then it connects as I log in. looks like ipv6-sometihing is causing this
[20:54] <brandon420> usr13, how do i get it back?
[20:54] <usr13_> brandon420: How did you get it the first time?
[20:55] <bs> how can i know the running application in the memory?
[20:55] <usr13_> brandon420: Probably need to use xrandr
[20:55] <usr13_> bs: Which running application?
[20:56] <bs> you know like in windows you can know every thing running from task manager how about ubuntue
[20:56] <usr13_> bs: top or htop
[20:56] <bs> usr13, what do you mean
[20:56] <usr13_> bs: htop  (is my favorite)
[20:56] <bs> usr13, what htop mean?
[20:57] <usr13_> bs: open a terminal window and type htop and hit Enter.
[20:57] <Plinker> I need the syntax for making someone permanent op on a channel [/msg chanserv access #channel <nick>]  thought this was it....
[20:57] <usr13_> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntue
[20:58] <brandon420> usr13, The first time I just went to the display settings > Detect displays and it showed up.
[20:58] <usr13_> brandon420: Ok, so just do that again.
[20:58] <brandon420> usr13, It doesn't detect the display
[20:58] <usr13_> brandon420: Reboot, or use xrandr
[20:59] <usr13_> brandon420: (Not knowing what minecraft has done to your display settings, that's all I can think of.)
[21:00] <brandon420> usr13, I am going to try xrandr. A reboot did not fix the problem.
[21:00] <nicofs> I need help scanning - the scanner (Brother MFC 5440CN) is switched on, connected to the network, i followed the manufacturer's instructions (http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/instruction_scn1b.html) - but simple-scan has no device. what do i do?
[21:02] <wols> nicofs:  dpkg  -l  |  grep  Brother
[21:03] <nicofs> wols, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1305851/
[21:08] <ray76> hi room. My laptop updated openGL related? drivers 2 days ago and since i have had no working openGL. Could someone point me in the right direction to find out whats wrong or post a bug report
[21:13] <Kyle__> ray76: Out of curiosity, how did you test that you have no GL?
[21:13] <nicofs> wols, still there or shall i ask someone else?
[21:14] <SplasHX11> I got vnc4serve almost working with unity, but mouse clicks in the upper bar with network icon, shutdown button, ... don't work. I can click, but the windows are only shown until i release the mouse button. any idea what's wrong?
[21:16] <Kyle__> SplasHX11: How are you running vnc server?  Just from a command line?
[21:16] <SplasHX11> Kyle__: Yes, i start the server over ssh
[21:17] <Kyle__> SplasHX11: What are you running in your .vnc/xinitrc?
[21:19] <ray76> Kyle__  , well i use to play warzone2100, armagetronAD and use the Xscreensaver glMatrix. none now work...  running armagetron from a terminal gives a bad alloc error. so just guessing its opengl. all else seems ok
[21:19] <Kyle__> ray76: on a command line, type glxinfo|less
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> ray76: also, what is the output of:  lspci | grep -i vga
[21:20] <ray76> glxinfo not installed, should i install it?
[21:20] <nicofs> Can someone help me get my scanner to work? I don't have a device listed in simple-scan...
[21:20] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: what make and model?
[21:21] <ray76> lspci = 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: can you pastebin the output of:  lsusb; lsb_release -a; uname -a      Thanks
[21:21] <Kyle__> ray76: Yea, it's small, won't hurt anything.  All it does it tell you what sort of rendering you have.
[21:21] <SplasHX11> Kyle__: i tried this http://kb.realvnc.com/questions/196/VNC+Server+in+Virtual+Mode+does+not+start+correctly+on+Ubuntu+12.04  and this http://pastebin.com/W2qYUJqM  With both I have the same behaviour
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> ray76: if you run: sudo lshw -C display      does it say UNCLAIMED ?
[21:21] <Kyle__> ray76: So that's wehre we start.
[21:21] <nicofs> ActionParsnip, it's a network scanner - so lsusb won't work...
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: can you ping the scanner?
[21:22] <ray76> Kyle__ no probs, back in a mo
[21:22] <nicofs> ActionParsnip, yes.
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: what make and model is the device?
[21:22] <nicofs> ActionParsnip, Brother MFC 5440CN, drivers installed according to guideline from Brother
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: what is the output of:  lsb_release -sc
[21:23] <nicofs> ActionParsnip, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1305901/
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: did you install the driver from the Brother site?
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: thanks for using a pastebin :)
[21:24] <nicofs> ActionParsnip, yes. and well - i don't want to spam the channel ;-)
[21:24] <Kyle__> SplasHX11: OK.  That's the default, other than forcing the session to be unity-2d. Have you only tried vnc4server?  My guess is unity is using X features that aren't in the antique we know and love as vncserver.  Tigervnc (you have to download a tarball, no ppa I think), works well from 12.04 for me.  Also tightvnc should be more updated than vncserver or vnc4server.
[21:25] <Kyle__> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/tigervnc/index.php?
[21:25] <ray76> Kyle__  the last does come up with *-display:1 UNCLAIMED
[21:26] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: seems you just need to put the IP of the device in /etc/sane.d/net.conf    source: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo#LAN-based_scanners
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: http://blog.philippklaus.de/2011/11/install-brother-dcp-7054dn-on-ubuntu/    if it doesn't work
[21:27] <Kyle__> ray76: That's all it says?
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> Kyle__: I hate VNC, it should die
[21:27] <afallenhope> I fixed my Firefox issue
[21:27] <brandon420> Can someone help me get my second monitor working again?
[21:27] <Kyle__> ActionParsnip: It makes my life immensely easier.
[21:27] <brandon420> randr did not work.
[21:27] <afallenhope> Didn't need to reinstall either
[21:27] <ray76> Kyle__ do i just paste the results on here ? also glxinfo comes up with X Error of failed request:  BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
[21:27] <Kyle__> brandon420: xrandr didn't work?
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> Kyle__: what do you use it to achieve?
[21:28] <Kyle__> ray76: pastebin.org or some such.
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> afallenhope: for a browser issue, I wouldn't go for a reinstall
[21:28] <SplasHX11> Kyle__: I also tried x11vnc, but the problem is that I don't know how to change the display resolution without monitor connected, so that I get a higher resolution than 1024x768.
[21:28] <brandon420> Kyle__, nope. It does not give me the option for the hdmi monitor
[21:28] <brandon420> SplasHX11, have you tried vnc4serve? I could walk you through it
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> SplasHX11: try installing xfce4 and using the xfce session. I've seen issues with people trying to use Unity over VNC
[21:29] <afallenhope> ActionParsnip,  I didn't. But apparently no one knew how to fix the issue with the download dialog box not showing up
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> afallenhope: did you rename ~/.mozilla/firefox ?
[21:29] <Kyle__> ActionParsnip: Peeking on student/instructor workstations when there's a problem.  And a desktop in the cloud I can connect to from anywayere, and be on my work network.  Way nicer than a VPN.
[21:29] <gordonjcp> SplasHX11: yeah, Unity and VNC don't really get on
[21:29] <gordonjcp> SplasHX11: What exactly are you trying to do?
[21:29] <kenneth__> hey guys any crowbar guys in the building today?
[21:29] <afallenhope> ActionParsnip, no because that would have erased all my preferences
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> Kyle__: I guess it's one way
[21:30] <Kyle__> SplasHX11: Did you do the thing where you put a file/script in /etc/init/ to launc x11vnc automagically for you?
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> afallenhope: It doesn't erase anything, note the word RENAME
[21:30] <Kyle__> ActionParsnip: I know there are other remote desktop protocols, but the ubiquity and robustness of VNC is fantastic, even if it's not as elegant.
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> Kyle__: yeah its not very elegant, thats my problem with it. I talked to a guy who was VNCing in then firing up a terminal, no foolin
[21:31] <SplasHX11> gordonjcp: I just want to have vnc for my server which runs ubuntu 12.04 desktop
[21:31] <gordonjcp> SplasHX11: o_O
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> afallenhope: you can restore favourites from backup etc, or sync to the web and you have no issues
[21:31] <gordonjcp> SplasHX11: if it's a server, you don't really need X at all
[21:31] <afallenhope> ActionParsnip, it creates a new profile and thus all your extentions and favourites and stuff
[21:32] <afallenhope> ActionParsnip, it was an easy fix nonetheless
[21:32] <gordonjcp> SplasHX11: and for maintaining a server, X is totally useless
[21:32] <Kyle__> ActionParsnip: xfce has a settings daemon now days, because simple and solid wasn't enough I suppose.  ANyway, xfce-settings-daemon tends to segfault and die after a few clicks or keypresses into a vncserver session.  If you want XFCE with ubuntu 12.x, you need to run xfvb + x11vnc.
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> afallenhope: yes, but the old stuff would be in the folder you renamed to, wouldn't it?
[21:32] <dhanasekaran> Hi How to find active ftp download going on my server
[21:32] <Kyle__> ActionParsnip: Did you hit him with something very heavy?  A cluestick hopefully?
[21:32] <ray76> Kyle__  hope i have done this right http://pastebin.com/Zk5JYXcZ
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> Kyle__: oh very
[21:32] <SplasHX11> Kyle:: no, i only tried it over ssh:  x11vnc -forever -nevershared -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -display :0
[21:32] <afallenhope> ActionParsnip, it's still a tedious task to move from one profile to another my solution was easier
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> dhanasekaran: you can use netstat on port 22
[21:33] <afallenhope> ActionParsnip,  echo > ~/.mozilla/firefox/downloads.sqlite
[21:33] <Kyle__> SplasHX11: THat should have done it... what happened?
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> afallenhope: ahhhh
[21:33] <Kyle__> SplasHX11: Of course keep in mind that will die when lightdm dies, which is each time you log out.
[21:33] <nicofs> ActionParsnip, ok - I have the device. but now I get errors instead of scans. "Invalid argument" (xsane) and "unable to connect" (simple-scan)...
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> afallenhope: I don't have that issue, I use Chrome, all synced up. Log in and the settings flow in
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: tried xsane?
[21:34] <afallenhope> ActionParsnip, I use chrome too
[21:34] <afallenhope> I have chromium
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> afallenhope: chromium  isn't chrome :)
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> afallenhope: why 2 browser?
[21:34] <Kyle__> ray76: YOu did it right.  Looks like it switched drivers or something on you.  Can you put the output of xdpyinfo into another pastebin for us?
[21:34] <nicofs> ActionParsnip, "invalid argument"
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: did you try the 2nd link I gave?
[21:35] <ray76> Kyle__ certainly, give us a sec
[21:35] <nicofs> ActionParsnip, yes...
[21:35] <root____6> hi!
[21:35] <afallenhope> ActionParsnip, I'm a developer I need to know what a site looks / functions on both browsers
[21:35] <SplasHX11> gordonjcp: sometimes it is very comfortable to have a gui to configure some things and i maybe want to use it remotely for some "none server things" under lniux, because I use windows as main os
[21:36] <serg> how to understand why apt-get fails in --configure step? are there any logs or any way to enable the verbose/debug mode?
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: try#10 here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1089972
[21:36] <cavecartograph> Anyone bored and want to help with a hrad drive issue? Seems to be a problem with going from 8.04 to 12.04...
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> afallenhope: makes sense, I always ask when folks have multiple browsers :)
[21:36] <Kyle__> afallenhope: Does that mean you run the windows version of safari through wine, so you can test that way too?
[21:36] <gordonjcp> SplasHX11: there's nothing on a server that you can configure with a GUI
[21:37] <nicofs> ActionParsnip, "Failed to open device `brother2:net1;dev0': Invalid argument."
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> cavecartograph: did you upgrade  to lucid in between
[21:37] <afallenhope> Kyle__, I have Windows and MaxOS in a virtual machine, so yes
[21:37]  * Kyle__ did set that up a long time ago... was evil.
[21:37] <cavecartograph> Yes
[21:37] <cavecartograph> It may have something to do with crypttab, but I am unsure
[21:37] <afallenhope> IE8 in wine IE 9 through Windows Virtual Box and Safari through Max OS virtualbox
[21:37] <ray76> Kyle__ here you go http://pastebin.com/mD5SNabh
[21:38] <Kyle__> afallenhope: Ahh, VMs are nice.  I did it with wine, along side ies4linux.  Was the most god-awful and glorious thing to see.  A gnome desktop with ie, safari, and firefox (this was way before chrome).
[21:38] <nicofs> ActionParsnip, #10 is what i already did following the instructions from brother...
[21:38] <SplasHX11> Kyle__: it works good, but the resolution is set to 1024x768 and I don't know how to change it to a higer resolution withotu monitor connected. The "-gemoetry" option of x11vnc only scales the output.
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: do you have sane-net installed?
[21:38] <afallenhope> Chrome Windows, Linux and Mac, same goes with Firefox and for Safari just Windows and Mac
[21:38] <Kyle__> SplasHX11: That's because it's the geometry of the running X.  YOu need to change X to be the resolution you want.
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: also look at: man brsaneconfig2
[21:39] <mkiy> casssso
[21:39] <afallenhope> Alrighty it's time to head home take care
[21:39] <mkiy> byevurfufouyobo8toiuybotb
[21:39] <mkiy> no8un0789typ98yn
[21:40] <mkiy> 8y7by8gtboutb
[21:40] <mkiy> b9ubuibpuy
[21:40] <FloodBot1> mkiy: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:40] <mkiy> ob08b98yb98y
[21:40] <mkiy> bnob8tb08t7b
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: seems to be:  brsaneconfig2 -a name=FRIENDLY-NAME model=MODEL-NAME ip=xx.xx.xx.xx
[21:40] <mkiy> ytv7trv976rv78v78
[21:40] <mkiy> i6t5v85rv7rv967rv
[21:40] <mkiy> vit5erv76rv976rv976ruyviuy
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2275292
[21:40] <mkiy> 67trc87rcirci66rc6
[21:40] <FloodBot1> mkiy: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:40] <mkiy> 7v6r7rv5evr976rv976rb6n
[21:40] <mkiy> b5rv76rv967rv976rv8b89ny+
[21:40] <gordonjcp> mkiy: pack it in
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> !ops | mkiy
[21:41] <sakura37540> Hello. I'm trying to get my built in bluetooth card working. After a lot of internet searching, I found that I have to use ndiswrapper and the windows drivers. So I set that up and installed the driver, but now ndiswrapper says that the driver's installed by the hardware isn't present, even though I know it's the correct hardware / driver. Where should I go from here?
[21:41] <Virunga> Hi, after installed a package name sadms which asked my some questions during installation, this command gives me nothing sudo debconf-get-selections | grep *sadms* . Why? Can you help me, please?
[21:41] <Virunga> I'd like to know the name of the question it asked me.
[21:42] <Kyle__> ray76: Damn.  I was hoping to see something nice and obvious like DRI2 or GLX missing.  that output looks right :/  Last one, xvinfo
[21:42] <SplasHX11> Kyle__: I know that, but I don't know how I can set the resolution of x.
[21:42] <nicofs> ActionParsnip, brsaneconfig2 has no manual - ant apt-get install sane-net returns "unable to locate"... and the link to the forum is exactly the same as the instructions from brother that i followed...
[21:42] <Virunga> I want create a kind of non interactive installation.
[21:43] <tello14> would this be where i could get some help with java? its been rather evil lately.
[21:43] <Kyle__> SplasHX11: Course you can.  Fragment xorg.conf (or full xorg.conf), and specify it.  Supposedly you can change it on the fly with xrandr.
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> tello14: is it installing Java in Ubuntu?
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: http://askubuntu.com/questions/91933/how-do-i-make-the-scanner-function-of-my-brother-dcp-315cn-work
[21:44] <razorbuzz> Upgrade probem from 12.04.1 to 12.10.  Just did update-manager -d. The initramfs portion failed "status code 1". The rest of the process finished, reboot and - Nothing. I get a GRUB prompt telling me there are no kernels installed.
[21:44] <tello14> no i have it installed its just i play Minecraft which uses java to run jar files but all of the sudden, java stoped working for any jar files. i was chattin with a linux guy i know and he couldnt figure it out.
[21:45] <SplasHX11> Kyle__: I tried it with xrandr but only got "cannot finde mode..."
[21:45] <ray76> Kyle__  http://pastebin.com/0MWtRmz6  thanks for the help, the video stopped directly after an update, with video related files. and you can undo them :(
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> tello14: how did you install Java?
[21:45] <Kyle__> SplasHX11: What did xrandr with no options tell you?
[21:45] <tello14> through the software centre
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> tello14: whatpackage did you install?
[21:46] <sakura37540> Hello. I'm trying to get my built in bluetooth card working. After a lot of internet searching, I found that I have to use ndiswrapper and the windows drivers. So I set that up and installed the driver, but now ndiswrapper says that the driver's installed by the hardware isn't present, even though I know it's the correct hardware / driver. Where should I go from here?
[21:46] <tello14> ahh i have both 6 runtime and 7 jdk
[21:46] <Kyle__> ray76: you can,b ut I don't know how.  ActionParsnip Probably woudl.
[21:46] <SplasHX11> Kyle__: "Can't open display"
[21:47] <Kyle__> SplasHX11: I think it needs to be run from the running X session.
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> tello14: what is the output of:  lsb_release -sc    please
[21:47] <tello14> precise
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> tello14: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/java; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install oracle-java7-installer
[21:48] <nicofs> ActionParsnip, there is a distinct and gratifying noise emerging from the room the scanner is in. thanks a lot :)
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: all I did was search dude.....
[21:49] <nicofs> ActionParsnip, sometimes, even searching correctly requires some experience...
[21:49] <Virunga> Could you help with the debconf-get-selctions command?
[21:49] <tello14> alright it is downloading
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=brsaneconfig2+how+to    is what I used
[21:49] <razorbuzz> Does anybody have any thoughts on a missing kernel after upgrade to 12.10?   Upgrade process removed all 3.2's, said it installed 3.5 but then threw an error on initramfs and now I get a grub command prompt upon attempting to boot.
[21:50] <tello14> k it finished
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> tello14: That is Oracle Java latest, try now
[21:50] <nicofs> ActionParsnip, i tried everything with the name of my device in it...
[21:50] <ray76> Kyle__ thanks for the try! little closer and i now know more.
[21:50] <Kyle__> ray76: Damn.  It really _looks_ like everything is fine, until you hit the glxinfo and see the error.  Did you bounce your box after the upgrade?  Is it somehow not getting the kernel module?
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: its not speciic to the device, the command was brsaneconfig so you needed to search for that. All Brother devices use the same command
[21:52] <sakura37540> I can't find an answer by searching, I've installed a driver using ndiswrapper but it says the hardware isn't present, even though I know it's the right driver for my hardware. Where should I go from here?
[21:52] <tello14> alright, i tried it but when the download finished the updater popped up so i will try after i have the updates
[21:52] <ses1984> i'
[21:52] <nicofs> ActionParsnip, as i said - sometimes it requires experience... or superior knowledge... next time, i'm wiser - and i can share that :)
[21:53] <razorbuzz> Box didn't bounce after the update - no kernels.
[21:53] <ses1984> i'm trying to p2v an old ubuntu 10.04 server, using kvm/virt-manager. using virt-manager, i've connected to my kvm host, created a new virtual machine and disk, booted the vm with ubuntu livecd...
[21:53] <ray76> Kyle__  this box is non-PAE so no upgrade for me :( still on 12.04  clean install 2 days ago. all fine until the last update. gutted..  lol at least i was close
[21:54] <ses1984> mounted the virtual disk, rsynced the old disk contents to the new virtual disk, but i can't boot from the virtual disk.
[21:54] <bekks> ses1984: Did you reinstall the bootloader?
[21:54] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: I don't own a brother ANYTHING, I just searched...
[21:55] <sakura37540> Am I just asking a stupid question or something? :/
[21:55] <ses1984> i tried using boot-repair but it finished with an error
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> sakura37540: ndiswrapper won't work for bluetooth
[21:55] <dr_willis> sakura37540: or no one knows.
[21:55] <ses1984> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1305947/
[21:57] <ses1984> i also tried using boot-repair-disk but the UI was completely glitched through virt-manager/vnc
[21:57] <ActionParsnip> ses1984: you could chroot from a liveCD and do things there
[21:58] <razorbuzz> Upgrade to 12.10 failed from 12.04 - grub can't find a kernel. Upgrade removed all 3.2's and installed a 3.5, but initramfs failed (and apparently update-grub did, too?). Tried searching - no results. Any thoughts/help?
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> ses1984: like reinstate the bootloader and remove some of the kernels you no longer use
[21:59] <razorbuzz> No GRUB menu at all. Just a command prompt appears on after 12.10 upgrade
[21:59] <dr_willis> razorbuzz: live cd. chroot in. reinstall kernel.
[21:59] <ActionParsnip> razorbuzz: if you boot to liveCD you can chroot to the installed OS and do stuff there
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> razorbuzz: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/09/live-usb-sticking-grub-2-video
[22:00] <dr_willis> thats a big bug in the installer sounds like.
[22:00] <razorbuzz> dr_willis.    LiveCD just finished DLing. I get the reinstall kernel. Tip on chroot? (or, a point in the right direct to get direction?
[22:00] <remsSs> hi everybody
[22:00] <ses1984> alright i have the vm booted to live cd and the virtual disk mounted...reading up on chroot now but if anyone knows a guide that explains how to do this that would help a lot
[22:00] <Kyle__> OK.  So to get gnome apps (like firefox) to use a proper proxy, you need to use "gsettings set blah"
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> ses1984: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/09/live-usb-sticking-grub-2-video
[22:01] <ActionParsnip> Kyle__: firefox isn't a gnome app
[22:01] <razorbuzz> dr_willis, ActionParsnip, Huge bug in the installer.
[22:01] <ses1984> ty
[22:01] <Kyle__> And according to the gnome folks, you can put system-wide configs in /etc/dconf/db .... but there is nothing like that in /etc
[22:01] <razorbuzz> Thanks. I'll follow up if unsuccessful. Rebooting now
[22:01] <ActionParsnip> Kyle__: did you export http_proxy and ftp_proxy to the proxy you use?
[22:02] <tello14> alright actionparsnip, i did evrything, still doesnt work
[22:02] <Kyle__> ActionParsnip: The ubuntu build of it appears to be built against gnome.  It didn't honor http_proxy or HTTP_PROXY, but does work if I set a proxy using gsettings
[22:03] <trism> Kyle__: you best bet is probably gsettings vendor overrides in ubuntu, I have not been able to get the system-wide dconf stuff working
[22:03] <dtigue> f/quit
[22:03] <jorgp> when I use boot into livecd how do I get a mx5500 bluetooth keyboard and mouse to work?
[22:03] <jorgp> livecd 12.10
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> jorgp: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-setup-bluetooth-keyboard-and-mouse-in-ubuntu.html
[22:04] <Kyle__> trism: Argh.  Where are the overrides then?
[22:04]  * Kyle__ feels bad for his desk, his head has hit it too many times today.
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> jorgp: may help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothInputDevices
[22:04] <trism> Kyle__: /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/ http://www.burtonini.com/blog/computers/gsettings-override-2011-07-04-15-45
[22:06] <Kyle__> trism: thank you!  I really need to get this all in the default, because most of my users can't be bothered to follow the simplest recipie for something like, setting a proxy.
[22:08] <jorgp> thanks, but I only have a mx5500 keyboard, so I can not even click on try ubuntu
[22:08] <ses1984> well that was pretty easy. i got a little farther. i see the grub menu, but if i choose regular kernel or even recovery, it gets stuck saying fsck--/dev/vda1: clean, then nothing happens
[22:08] <tello14> action?
[22:09] <MyersG> my computer is saying for the sound, dummy out put, and someone help?
[22:10] <tello14> aye java. y u no work anymore
[22:10] <tello14> iv been workin on this for like 5 hours now
[22:11] <ActionParsnip> tello14: that's all I know, the /usr/bin/java will now point to the oracle java. Did you try a reboot?
[22:11] <MyersG> some one please help!
[22:12] <tello14> like a thousand times. ill check if a reboot is what the software need to kick in though. brb
[22:12] <MyersG> my computer is saying for the sound, dummy out put, and someone help?
[22:12] <knoppies> Hi, I am running Xubuntu12.04 I logged into openbox to test something and now all my transparency is messed up. I am assuming a driver/config issue. Any suggestions?
[22:13] <knoppies> I have logged back into XFCE and it is still messed up.
[22:16] <ActionParsnip> knoppies: is the transparency ok in XFCE or is that where the issue is?
[22:16] <tello14> reboot and no change
[22:17] <Liger12> Whilst installing ubuntuserver 12.04.1 64bit, off of usb using xboot, the install works fine until detecting cd-rom devices comes up and detects them and then freezes on puple screen
[22:17] <Liger12> Could anyone help me?
[22:17] <ActionParsnip> tello14: try running the app from terminal, it ma give clues
[22:17] <knoppies> ActionParsnip, the issue is in XFCE (and in openbox but I dont plan on using that again, as I said, it was to test something)
[22:17] <ActionParsnip> knoppies: what WM do you use in XFCE?
[22:17] <ray76> Kyle__  one last one, assuming this is a bug in the new update, what is the best way to report it?
[22:18] <Kyle__> ray76: ubuntu-bug
[22:18] <tello14> action this was going to be my second question :P know any good terminal tutorials? anyway yea so how can i start a program from terminal?
[22:18] <Kyle__> ray76: You run ubuntu-bug, and it should pop up a gui
[22:18] <defekt> sick of so many updates on lts
[22:18] <ray76> Kyle__  sweet thanks again
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> tello14: what file are you trying to run with java?
[22:18] <Kyle__> ray76: no problem.
[22:18] <tello14> minecraft.jar
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> tello14: where is the file located? The path is VERY case sensitive
[22:19] <peto_> bye
[22:19] <knoppies> ActionParsnip, the XFCE one (I think its called XFWM), but I do have compiz installed (I haven't used it in a long time).
[22:19] <knoppies> ActionParsnip, now that you mention it I dont see it running in htop
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> knoppies: does xfwm4 support transparency etc?
[22:19] <knoppies> ActionParsnip, yes. Beautifully.
[22:20] <ActionParsnip> knoppies: have you asked in #xubuntu ?
[22:20] <tello14> its in home/downloads
[22:20] <Guest61023> recien instale el 12.10 y no me puedo conectar por wifi
[22:20] <knoppies> ActionParsnip, nope, maybe I should. I just ran xfwm4 --replace but no luck.
[22:20] <ActionParsnip> tello14: then run:    java ~/Downloads/minecraft.jar
[22:21] <tello14> Error: Could not find or load main class .home.taylor.Downloads.minecraft.jar
[22:21] <Taylor> Oh
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> tello14: ok, you now have a lead, use the wb to see what that means
[22:22] <tello14> wb?
[22:22] <Liger12> tello14: Trying, java -jar DIROFJAR/minecraft.jar
[22:22] <tello14> sry im new to linux :( i need to learn these things
[22:22] <tello14> alright liger
[22:22] <knoppies> !wb
[22:22] <knoppies> !help
[22:22] <knoppies> thats not the help I was looking for.
[22:23] <tello14> Liger12: Error: Unable to access jarfile DIROFJAR/minecraft.jar
[22:23] <ses1984> i'm trying to convert a physical machine to virtual, and i've been having trouble getting it to boot. i get to grub and choose a kernel, even recovery, and the boot doesn't do anything after fsck of the root partition, in this case /dev/vda1
[22:23] <ActionParsnip> tello14: think about it
[22:23] <Liger12> tello14: The DIROFJAR is where your jar is located,,,,
[22:23] <knoppies> tello14, try ls -l DIROFJAR/minecraft.jar
[22:24] <tello14> knoppies: no such file or deredtory
[22:24] <tello14> i cant spell xD
[22:24] <tello14> err type
[22:24] <Liger12> tello14: Try to run java -jar ~/Downloads/minecraft.jar
[22:25] <ahmad> hi guys, i can't see alot of the settings in compiz-settings-manager such as wobbling windows, any idea why? if this is an error or something
[22:25] <knoppies> ahmad, you probably don't have compiz plugins installed.
[22:25] <reuf> hello how can i set up my ubuntu tu shutdown after 1 hour?
[22:25] <MiningMarsh> tello14: I needed this to get mine to work: java -cp ~/Downloads/minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
[22:25] <knoppies> ahmad, try apt-get install compiz-plugins
[22:25] <ActionParsnip> tello14: the DIROFJAR is ~/Downloads    again....think about it.....
[22:25] <ses1984> it seems people have this problem when there are lines in fstab corresponding to drives that aren't there, like unplugged usb drives or something, but i have just one line in fstab for my root partition
[22:26] <knoppies> reuf, you mean 1 hour from NOW or 1hr of idle time?
[22:26] <reuf> 1 hour from now
[22:26] <knoppies> reuf, shutdown --help
[22:27] <tello14> MiningMarsh: you got it :3
[22:27] <Liger12> Can anyone answer this?
[22:27] <Liger12> Whilst installing ubuntuserver 12.04.1 64bit, off of usb using xboot, the install works fine until detecting cd-rom devices comes up and detects them and then freezes on puple screen
[22:27] <anhday> hi people, can you help me uninstall a package? i did dpkg -i virtualbox-4.2_4.2.2-81494~Ubuntu~precise_amd64.deb
[22:27] <tello14> Exception in thread "Thread-3" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /home/taylor/.minecraft/bin/natives/liblwjgl.so: /home/taylor/.minecraft/bin/natives/liblwjgl.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 (Possible cause: architecture word width mismatch)
[22:27] <tello14> 	at java.lang.ClassLoader$NativeLibrary.load(Native Method)
[22:27] <tello14> 	at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadLibrary1(ClassLoader.java:1939)
[22:27] <tello14> 	at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadLibrary0(ClassLoader.java:1864)
[22:27] <tello14> 	at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadLibrary(ClassLoader.java:1825)
[22:27] <FloodBot1> tello14: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:27] <tello14> 	at java.lang.Runtime.load0(Runtime.java:792)
[22:27] <tello14> 	at java.lang.System.load(System.java:1059)
[22:27] <anhday> how do i uninstall it, i can't find the package from apt-get
[22:27] <MiningMarsh> anhday: sudo apt-get purge virtualbox should work fine
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> tello14: what is the output of:  uname -m
[22:28] <anhday> Package virtualbox is not installed, so not removed
[22:28] <ASHER1> :P FloodBot this very nice how i can install this?
[22:28] <anhday> MiningMarsh, doesn't work :(
[22:28] <Liger12> Tello from the terminal use these commands
[22:28] <MiningMarsh> anhday: if you can't find the package; sudo aptitude search virtualbox
[22:28] <tello14> x86_64
[22:28] <ahmad> there we go :) ty knoppies
[22:28] <Liger12> tello14: cd desktop
[22:29] <knoppies> reuf, or try: sudo shutdown -P 1440 GoodBye
[22:29] <knoppies> ahmad, pleasure.
[22:29] <Liger12> tello14: cd Downloads
[22:29] <ses1984> don't sudo aptitude search, the search index is not always built for the root user
[22:29] <reuf> knoppies: already set it to shutdown
[22:29] <ahmad> brb reboot
[22:29] <reuf> shutdown -h +65
[22:29] <MiningMarsh> tello14: if you have 64bit and a decent amount of ram: java -d64 -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp ~/Downloads/minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
[22:29] <knoppies> reuf, good :)
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> tello14: try:    java -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp ~/Downloads/minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
[22:29] <knoppies> reuf, oh yea, its in minutes not seconds, My bad.
[22:30] <reuf> knoppies: thanks
[22:30] <reuf> take care
[22:30] <reuf> bye
[22:30] <tello14> hmm it runs and when it logs in, it blackscreens as before
[22:30] <Juanopsy> Hey, all !! Quick question here...  8 - P
[22:30] <MiningMarsh> tello14: then try: java -d32 -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp ~/Downloads/minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
[22:31] <anhday> i will try later, thanks MiningMarsh
[22:31] <ActionParsnip> tello14: guess how we are finding al this stuff?
[22:31] <tello14> it gave me an error saying it doesnt support 32 bit
[22:31] <Juanopsy> If I go --> "sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* && sudo apt-get update" I'll lose my "custom" repositories I've added lately?
[22:31] <knoppies> ActionParsnip, running compiz --replace fixes the issue. So I assume its a problem with xfwm4 or one of its configs. Thankfully its not a driver issue.
[22:31] <jrib> Juanopsy: no
[22:32] <Juanopsy> Thanks man
[22:32] <tello14> haha action im guessing the web :P i searched and i tried to do stuff but evrything i did went very poorly
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> knoppies: you could add a startup item to run that
[22:32] <Juanopsy> jrib: Thanks man
[22:32] <jrib> Juanopsy: why are you doing that though?
[22:32] <MiningMarsh> tello14: thande the d32 back to d64 then
[22:32] <MiningMarsh> tello14: *change
[22:32] <daniel__> en ingles jaja ja
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> tello14: does MiningMarsh's command work?
[22:33] <tello14> yea it gets me to log in
[22:33] <knoppies> ActionParsnip, I know, but last time I played with compiz it had a few quarks. I wasn't ready to make it full time on XFCE yet.
[22:33] <MiningMarsh> tello14: java -d64 -Xmx256M -Xms128M -cp ~/Downloads/minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
[22:34] <MiningMarsh> tello14: play with those 2 numbers, always making sure the second is half the first, and they are a power of 2. I am thinking its a ram issue. Those control the amount of ram
[22:34] <Juanopsy> jrib:  W:Duplicate sources.list Cairo, as sugested in "https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1006592"
[22:34] <knoppies> ActionParsnip, #xubuntu is a ghost channel. Nobody dares to speak.
[22:34] <tello14> marsh, btw it was working well until ysterday
[22:34] <tello14> here i can give you the error i got if you would like it
[22:35] <MiningMarsh> tello14: in that case, rm -rf ~/.minecraft/bin
[22:35] <MiningMarsh> tello14: in that case, rm -rf ~/.minecraft/resources
[22:35] <MiningMarsh> tello14: in that case, rm -rf ~/.minecraft/stats
[22:35] <jrib> Juanopsy: could you pastebin your « sudo apt-get update » output?
[22:35] <MiningMarsh> tello14: and try again
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> MiningMarsh: why use force?
[22:36] <Juanopsy> jrib: W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://ppa.launchpad.net/cairo-dock-team/ppa/ubuntu/ precise/main i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_cairo-dock-team_ppa_ubuntu_dists_precise_main_binary-i386_Packages) W: Maybe you want to execute «apt-get update» to fix this problem
[22:36] <MiningMarsh> ActionParsnip: well, it doesnt touch his saves and doesnt remove anything important. no reason not to, he is not running sudo.
[22:36] <Juanopsy> jrib: but I go update and kkeps there
[22:36] <ahmad> is there a way to set  /set irc_conf_mode on on xchat automatically on start up, very annoying to do this manually everytime
[22:36] <ASHER1> where i can download bot like this floodbot?
[22:37] <tello14> alright i did your commands
[22:37] <ActionParsnip> MiningMarsh: but why do you need force to delete the folder, the files aren't locked and the user is the owner of the data?
[22:37] <jrib> Juanopsy: so did emptying /var/lib/apt/lists/ resolve your issue?
[22:37] <Juanopsy> jrib: I'll try now
[22:37] <tello14> oh btw mining marsh, i have isolated this as a java error
[22:37] <tello14> even in browseer
[22:37] <lenswipe> hey guys
[22:38] <lenswipe> just installed 12.10
[22:38] <lenswipe> i have some mysterious app that keeps crashing
[22:38] <lenswipe> i keep getting crash notifications
[22:38] <lenswipe> and i cant open software center
[22:38] <MiningMarsh> ActionParsnip: habit. I triple check my commands, and have never deleted something important. I just get sick of it asking for every file...
[22:38] <FloodBot1> lenswipe: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:38] <MiningMarsh> tello14: the browser saves the stuff in the same place, so my commands whould fix it for the browser too.
[22:38] <lenswipe> if i dismiss the crash notifications, they just reappear a second later as (i presume) the offending app re-starts and crashes again
[22:38] <MiningMarsh> ActionParsnip: I will check to make sure I dont -f next time...
[22:38] <ASHER1> someone can tell me where i can download floodbot1 ?
[22:38] <belgianguy> hmm just my screen switched to a full blank one on my laptop all of the sudden
[22:38] <lenswipe> something is stuck in a sort of crash loop - can someone help?
[22:39] <belgianguy> and I couldn't do anything anymore
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> tello14: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle/jre/lib/i386/"; java -jar ~/Downloads/minecraft.jar
[22:39] <belgianguy> which log should I check?
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> MiningMarsh: its a REALLY bad habit
[22:39] <belgianguy> (what covers the gfx card?)
[22:39] <tello14> alright. but it my tekkit is messed up. i am (almost) positive it is a java error.
[22:39] <tello14> those are separate jars soo yea...
[22:39] <zorgborg> hey all, once ive updated via the command line is there a way to know if i need to reboot to complete the install or not?
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> tello14: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle/jre/lib/i386"; java -jar ~/Downloads/minecraft.jar
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> tello14: run the second one
[22:40] <MiningMarsh> ActionParsnip: minecraft wouldnt run with -jar when I tried it, it needed -cp (and -d64 for 64bit)
[22:40] <lenswipe> also im getting "E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[22:40] <Juanopsy> jrib: nope, still there
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> MiningMarsh: ahh, i see. Thanks :). tello14, please adjust
[22:40] <Juanopsy> jrib: suggestions?
[22:41] <lenswipe> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dlists_quantal-security_main_i18n_Translation-en%5fGB
[22:41] <lenswipe> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened
[22:41] <Laurenceb_> hi
[22:41] <lenswipe> can someone help with this?
[22:41] <tello14> ill be back gotta go for like a half hour ._. ugggggg
[22:41] <jermmal> hi is a new
[22:41] <Laurenceb_> how do i create a multipart zip ?
[22:41] <Laurenceb_> the compress option
[22:41] <Laurenceb_> is greyed
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> lenswipe: wget https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8850924/fixpackage; chmod +x ./fixpackage; sudo ./fixpackage
[22:41] <lenswipe> ActionParsnip:
[22:42] <lenswipe> that will fix it?
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> lenswipe: more than likley yes, I see about 5 of these a DAY on the launchpad site
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> lenswipe: if it didn't fix it, why would I advise it.....
[22:43] <Laurenceb_> ANYONE?
[22:43] <Laurenceb_> multipart zip is greyed out
[22:43] <Troy^> debating on upgrading from ubuntu 12.04 to 12.10. I don't want to break anything and I don't want it to change my desktop configuration got everything looking the way i want it too.
[22:43] <lenswipe> ActionParsnip: i ran that - its just hanging right now and not returning me to a prompt
[22:44] <lenswipe> ActionParsnip: should it take a few minutes to work?
[22:44] <lenswipe> and should it output anything?
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> Laurenceb_: http://superuser.com/questions/184549/how-to-create-multipart-rar-file-in-linux
[22:44] <lenswipe> oh wait its updating the sources no
[22:44] <lenswipe> now*
[22:44] <Laurenceb_> thanx
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> lenswipe: it will take a while to run, one step taks a while
[22:44] <lenswipe> ok
[22:45] <FoxDie> hi
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> lenswipe: its basically removing your systems knowledge of any packages then you will redownload them
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> lenswipe: its basically step 5 from here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PackageManagerTroubleshootingProcedure
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> lenswipe: I just use a script because I'm lazy
[22:46] <Laurenceb_> is there a way to do this with zip?
[22:46] <Laurenceb_> this has to be sent to windows land?
[22:47] <MiningMarsh> Laurenceb_: windows winrar handled multipart rar files. You cant do it with zip afaik.
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> Laurenceb_: Windows can extract RARs too
[22:47] <Laurenceb_> not out of the box
[22:47] <Laurenceb_> this has to go to a commercial locked down environment
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> Laurenceb_: then read:  man zip
[22:47] <lenswipe> ActionParsnip: do you know how easy it is to replace Unity with gnome3?
[22:48] <Laurenceb_> kk
[22:48] <graingert> Laurenceb_: you could use .7z and PeaZip in windows land
[22:48] <Laurenceb_>  _I_  could
[22:48] <graingert> Laurenceb_: where are you sending this file?
[22:48] <Laurenceb_> person in anonymous government office couldnt
[22:49] <graingert> Laurenceb_: surely Anonymous can extract a rar
[22:49] <Laurenceb_> lol lol lol
[22:49] <ActionParsnip> Laurenceb_: you can make a zip file then use zipsplit to make it into smaller chunks
[22:49] <graingert> Laurenceb_: how large is this file? Why does it even need splitting?
[22:49] <graingert> Laurenceb_: why not make a self extracting .7z
[22:49] <Laurenceb_> i have a ton of pdf archives that need to be sent to windows office drone land via email with 10MB max size
[22:49] <Laurenceb_> a few hundered meg
[22:50] <graingert> Laurenceb_: send him a .torrent
[22:50] <Laurenceb_> i didnt dream up this absurd situation
[22:50] <Laurenceb_> hahaha
[22:50] <Laurenceb_> maybe ill just drive to the office with a cd
[22:50] <Rigorm0rtis> Laurenceb_, what are you trying to do?
[22:50]  * Rigorm0rtis arrived late.
[22:50] <Karlo_> What's wrong with using the "split" command?
[22:50] <Laurenceb_> i see
[22:51] <Newb101> How do you hide your ip adress when accessing a website?
[22:51] <Laurenceb_> can i split the zip later?
[22:51] <graingert> Karlo_: drone will not be able to cat the files
[22:51] <graingert> Laurenceb_: am I right?
[22:51] <Newb101> is it easier to do through command line
[22:51] <Kyle__> Newb101: Hide it from the website you're going to?
[22:51] <Newb101> ye
[22:51] <jbohren> anyone here familiar with the default python search paths on ubuntu?
[22:51] <Rigorm0rtis> Laurenceb_,  Could you use SkyDrive or something and send them a link?
[22:52] <jrib> jbohren: please just ask your real question
[22:52] <Laurenceb_> no they are filewalled
[22:52] <Laurenceb_> files can only enter the office via email
[22:52] <Newb101> anyone
[22:52] <Laurenceb_> and thats limited to 10mb
[22:52] <Laurenceb_> hence the problem
[22:52] <Kyle__> Newb101: if box A gets a webpage from box B, there is no way for A to hide his IP from B.
[22:52] <jrib> Newb101: use tor or a proxy
[22:52] <ex0a> Newb101: you need to proxy to the page
[22:53] <Rigorm0rtis> What is the average size of the PDF files?
[22:53] <Newb101> ok are thereany reliable proxies
[22:53] <Kyle__> Newb101: If box A uses a proxy or VPN to box E, to connect to box B, box B will see the connection as being from E.
[22:53] <jbohren> I'm trying to override a debian-installed python module by prepending a local path to my PYTHONPATH, except when I load up a python environment, there are always a few additional paths prefixed before any of the paths in my PYTHONPATH, and I can't figure out how to suppress them
[22:53] <jiffe98> if ubuntu doesn't boot the first time or it reboots in the middle of a boot, grub doesn't automatically choose the default option on the second boot, is there a way to change this?
[22:53] <Newb101> fair enough
[22:53] <graingert> Laurenceb_: send them a PDF with an emscriptened version of Skype. Run Tor over the connection that Skype punches through the firewall. You can then host a hidden service and download the PDFs from there
[22:54] <Kyle__> Newb101: think long and hard about why you want to be doing this.
[22:54] <Newb101> If I use tor or foxy proxy, where do I get the actual proxy from
[22:54] <Newb101> Kyle__, why
[22:54] <Karlo_> Porn surfing?
[22:54] <jbohren> specifically, it's adding /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7
[22:54] <Newb101> Nope
[22:54] <graingert> Newb101: use the Tor Browser Bundle
[22:54] <ASHER1> someone can help please?
[22:54] <jrib> jbohren: can you show on a pastebin?  Perhaps by doing  « PYTHONPATH='WHATEVER' python -c 'import sys; print sys.path' »
[22:54] <Kyle__> Oh joy.  Another apple desktop on my network is having so many  drive errors my syslog server has balooned by a gig today.
[22:54]  * Kyle__ grumbles.
[22:55] <graingert> !patience | ASHER1
[22:55] <Karlo_> ASHER1, nobody can help until you ask your question.
[22:55] <Newb101> ok, does the proxy vary can I use a number of proxies
[22:55] <jbohren> jrib: yeah, one sec
[22:55] <ASHER1> i want to know where i can download floodbot1?
[22:55] <Newb101> on this tor bundle
[22:55] <jrib> jbohren: also, what ubuntu version?
[22:55] <Newb101> I want to make a request from a server a 100 times from a 100 different ip is this possible
[22:56] <jrib> !tor | Newb101
[22:56] <Karlo_> Laurenceb_, send them one email with a "cat" executable, then send the rest of the files split into chunks.
[22:56] <Newb101> on the tor package
[22:56] <ASHER1> !floodbot
[22:56] <jrib> ASHER1: ask LjL when he's around
[22:57] <OerHeks> ASHER1, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Floodbots ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[22:57] <jbohren> jrib: http://pastebin.com/JSCHaegB
[22:57] <Newb101> thanks guys
[22:57] <Rigorm0rtis> Laurenceb_, what I'm thinking, is what if you dump the list of files into a text file, randomize that text file, then split it into other text files every N lines where N=($average_size / 10) rounded down. Then use 7za to create zips based on the files in each of those text files. Maybe tweak the number of lines in the files until you get the right end size for your ZIPs.
[22:58] <jrib> jbohren: what ubuntu version?
[22:58] <Rigorm0rtis> I've used this method to upload website files to a host that only supported <2GB ZIP uploads.
[22:58] <jbohren> 12.04
[22:58] <jrib> jbohren: what's the output of « which python »?
[22:58] <blastedt> Hi, I'm having trouble with my liveCD.  Shortly after I hit "Install Now", the video freezes.  My CD drive shows there's no reads, and the same thing happens when I try to use liveCD functionality
[22:58] <blastedt> do I need to burn a new one?
[22:58] <Karlo_> Rigorm0rtis: Bin packing problem?  I have code for that, though of course it'll only help if the largest individual file can fit into one bin.
[22:59] <jbohren> jrib: which python gives /usr/bin/python which is a symlink to python2.7
[22:59] <jrib> jbohren: it's weird that /usr/local shows up in there.  Do yo uknow what that's about?
[22:59] <Rigorm0rtis> Karlo_, that might be useful for Laurenceb_ my way was kind of dirty.
[23:00] <ASHER1> i have more question please i can download floodbot and run on ubuntu?
[23:00] <Karlo_> ASHER1, why?
[23:00] <ActionParsnip> blastedt: what video chip do you use?
[23:00] <ASHER1> for protection
[23:00] <jermmal> hi
[23:01] <blastedt> gtx 460.  I think the cd may be freezing overall
[23:01] <blastedt> there's no audio at that stage of course to tell
[23:01] <Kyle__> ls .
[23:01] <ASHER1> you know where i can download karlo?
[23:01] <ActionParsnip> blastedt: add the boot option: nouveau.blacklist=1
[23:01] <blastedt> how would I go about doing that?
[23:01] <ActionParsnip> !bootoption | blastedt
[23:01] <blastedt> thanks
[23:01] <jbohren> jrib: well that first thing looks like it's something from pip
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> blastedt: try a litte searching instead of immediately asking :)
[23:02] <avdorian> hello! can anyone help with installation breaking when trying to install 64 Bit Ubuntu 12.04 to a laptop? (Lenovo G780)
[23:03] <jrib> jbohren: what do you have installed to /usr/local?
[23:03] <Kyle__> avdorian: Probably not.  We're all in here because were paid to make the channel look active, not because we nkow anything about ubuntu.
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[23:04] <blastedt> ActionParsnip: that goes in the boot command line?
[23:04] <jbohren> jrib: a few things
[23:04] <jrib> jbohren: what things python-related? :)
[23:05] <jbohren> so that pip egg is the only thing that looks strange
[23:05] <meomic> hi, maybe someone knows why in the sound indicator meniu->sound settings->configuration i cant see 5.1 analog audio profile? i have only 'analog stereo duplex' 'analog stereo output' digital analog output + input and digital analog output.... is there something i  can do about it?
[23:06] <blastedt> be back in a bit, hopefully that works, thanks ActionParsnip
[23:06] <jbohren> jrib: there are a few things, a newer mercurial, some web stuff, pithos, and pip
[23:07] <jbohren> jrib: though the package I'm trying to override is in /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7
[23:07] <jrib> jbohren: check for interesting .pth files I guess
[23:07] <jrib> jbohren: in /usr/{,local/}lib/python2.7/dist-packages
[23:07] <avdorian> Kyle__:Wow, that's a bummer
[23:07] <Kyle__> while [ 1 ];do ssh -o ConnectTimeout=1 -i adminkey-rsa admin@imac24 "sudo shutdown -h now";done
[23:07]  * Kyle__ sighs.
[23:08] <jbohren> jrib: ahh right on the money
[23:08] <Kyle__> I can't beleive I'm actually running that.
[23:08] <ahmad> quick question guys, some plugins in ccsm seem to be not working such as show mouse, any idea as to why?
[23:08] <jrib> jbohren: eh?
[23:08] <Kyle__> avdorian: That lenovo, that's a i5 or i7 based one, right?
[23:08] <avdorian> Kyle__: Indeed
[23:08] <jbohren> jrib: that's what it is, a .pth file from when I used easy_install at one point
[23:08] <jrib> jbohren: oh, ok
[23:09] <Kyle__> avdorian: what happens?  I've done an update from 12.04 to 12.10 on a very similar lenovo, but not a clean install.
[23:09] <avdorian> Kyle__: The error I get is "prefix not found" before the install screen, after I choose install a call stack comes up with another error, something like file not found
[23:10] <Kyle__> avdorian: You're sure you downloaded the amd64 image, and not something like ia64?
[23:10] <jbohren> jrib: ok, I've got it from here, thanks for your help!
[23:10] <jrib> jbohren: no problem
[23:11] <avdorian> Kile__:that was a bit of a weird part, when pressing download in the ubuntu website, I think they have a bug, the download redirects you to the 32 bit page even if you choose 64 bit
[23:11] <avdorian> Kyle__:that was a bit of a weird part, when pressing download in the ubuntu website, I think they have a bug, the download redirects you to the 32 bit page even if you choose 64 bit
[23:11] <avdorian> Kyle__:So I changed in 32 to 64 in the URL and than got a file called "amd64-ubuntu", so I guess it's correct
[23:11] <avdorian> Kyle__:But IMO they have an error in the website, I hope I have the right file
[23:12] <Kyle__> avdorian: THere are some good reasons for using the 32bit version... But anyway.  DId you checksum your download?
[23:13] <Divzro> Hello - I trying to setup a Ubuntu server on a Dell mini 1012 (1gb Ram, 1tb drive) - Is 12.4 my best bet? any recommendations?
[23:13] <ActionParsnip> avdorian: i you use cdimage site, you'll get either :)
[23:13] <jrib> Divzro: I'd recommend latest LTS (supported for 5 years after release), which is 12.04 :)
[23:13] <ActionParsnip> avdorian: http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/
[23:14] <Divzro> Thx jrib
[23:14] <jrib> Divzro: if more recent packaging is more important than long term support, then you could go with 12.10 (supported for 18 months after release)
[23:14] <Kyle__> Divzro: 12.04 or 12.10.  Depends on if this is something that needs to be up for ages, or something to play with.  Either will be fine.
[23:14] <Divzro> Just going to use it as a NAS; was worried about memory on the dell mini.  1gb will be ok?
[23:15] <avdorian> Kyle__:thanx, I'll do the checksum now and make sure it's alright
[23:15] <jrib> Divzro: should me plenty
[23:15] <jrib> s/me/be
[23:15] <WeThePeople> is ramdisk any useful in ubuntu?
[23:15] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: it uses one by default ;)
[23:16] <Kyle__> Divzro: Should be. Especially if you're just using it as a NAS.  Linux has a habbit of using un-used ram for file caching, so more would help, but less wont' hurt persey.  If you get my meaning.
[23:16] <Kyle__> WeThePeople: Yes, if you need something like a ramdisk.
[23:16] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: I put my browser cache in a tempfs (ram disk), makes browsing a little faster
[23:17] <WeThePeople> actionparsnip, nice, i was thinking of looking for a way to do games
[23:17] <Kyle__> WeThePeople: shmfs/tmpfs is a dynamic ram disk, using free ram to hold the files, but shoving them into swap if the ram gets needed for some running program.
[23:17] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: in what way?
[23:18] <Karlo_> Bloody hell.  I couldn't boot from hard disk, couldn't get the system to recognize the CD-ROM, and now it won't boot from a flash drive either -- I see in the Setup screen that "Removable Devices" has only one choice, namely "Legacy Floppy Drives".  Am I just screwed?
[23:19] <Kyle__> Gotta go.  Later
[23:19] <ray76> Kyle__  yay I filed the bug = https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1071530 and thanks to you i actually had something to put.
[23:20] <blockeduser> are there realtime-kernel packages ?
[23:20] <WeThePeople> actionparsnip, its odd, i used to have a alienware laptop with 1.5ghz celeron with 1 gig ram and 128mb graphics card, now im on a 3ghz machine with the same specs but its slower..lol its older though.. pent 4 processor.. anyway the game i like to play in Lucid do not work as well on this machine for some reason and i am looking for ways to speed up ubuntu so it will atleast come close to the fps i like..
[23:20] <pandazh> hi!
[23:21] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: try a lighter desktop like LXDE
[23:21] <jolaren> I know I can wget entire websites and whatever but now I'm trying to learn how a specific form is built so i'd like to wget the server sided php included in index.html, is that even possible?
[23:21] <HunterB> What do yall think about the sf 49ers vs the denver broncos for the superbowl?
[23:21] <unheeding> lxde is great except it doesnt recognize my keyboard volume keys
[23:22] <unheeding> i tried following a guide on how to get it to work but it still didn't work
[23:22] <Karlo_> Now I'm in single-user mode again, with the thumb drive in /dev/sdb -- how do I mount that, what type do I need for the -t option of mount?
[23:23] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: could use LXDE for the Game then use Gnome or whatever you use
[23:23] <HunterB> mount -n -o remount,rw /
[23:23] <Lil> jolaren; I think your going about learning to code all wrong.
[23:24] <Lil> jolaren; why not just download scripts, and look at their code..
[23:24] <jrib> jolaren: ##php might be a good place to start if you're interested in php
[23:26] <WeThePeople> actionparsnip, do you recognize this bug with the letters the way they are
[23:26] <WeThePeople> http://imgh.us/again..doh.png
[23:27] <avdorian> Kyle__:why use the 32 bit? software support?
[23:27] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: have you tried different font for the desktop?
[23:27] <WeThePeople> actionparsnip, yes
[23:28] <WeThePeople> actionparsnip, it does that in just about every program
[23:28] <WeThePeople> and its different letters each time it does this
[23:29] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: not sure, are there bugs reported?
[23:30] <Karlo_> mount -t TYPE /dev/sdb /mnt/flash # mount thumbdrive, where TYPE=??
[23:30] <Karlo_> What do I need there?
[23:31] <wols> Karlo_: nothing. -t is not needed and /dev/sdb will not work
[23:31] <WeThePeople> actionparsnip, yeah i think i found a report
[23:32] <Karlo_> Oh.  What device name do I need to use, then?
[23:32] <wols> if you actually know what filesystem it is you can use it (vfat, ntfs, etc), but it normally can mount it without. also, it's almost always /dev/sdb1 or similar. check with "sudo fdisk -l" first
[23:32] <croz> I installed LinuxMint months ago and I accidentally reformated the MBR and now grub/bootloader where I select Windows 7 or Linux is not there, it just boots me into Windows. How do I fix that?
[23:32] <wols> !mint
[23:33] <Julian> HI!! Need help badlyyy with installation error that looks like blanked my computer
[23:33] <ActionParsnip> croz: the support for Mint is separate to Ubuntus
[23:33] <Guest82068> Hi how do I permanently disable mouse acceleration? xset m 0 0 only works in my current xsession
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> Guest82068: add it as a startup item
[23:34] <Karlo_> Ah OK, sdb1 works.  Thanks...
[23:34] <Nerp> do you guys know of any good utilities for examining memory usage other than free and vmstat?
[23:34] <Guest82068> if I create a new xsession without rebooting it doesn't carry over
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> Nerp: conky can do it
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> Nerp: could try:  top    too
[23:35] <Nerp> ActionParsnip: I mean in a more granular sense, comparing the output of free/vmstat and top/htop shows some strange discrepancies.
[23:35] <avdorian> Kyle__:md5 checksum is good, anyone has any idea what could be wrong?
[23:36] <croz> isn't grub support the same though
[23:36] <Nerp> or it is also completely possible that I am reading the output incorrectly
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> croz: Mint isn't supported here in any way
[23:37] <wols> croz: go to ##linux if you want distro agnostic support
[23:37] <Guest82068> ..agnostic?
[23:37] <wols> yes, agnostic
[23:37] <Karlo_> <Bug report> The ceiling is falling down.  <Canned reply> The ceiling is not supported.
[23:38] <blastedt> Finally managed to get Ubuntu installed.  It ejected the CD into the case door and asked that I remove it, close the tray, and press enter to finish shutting down.  Nothing happened after this procedure, so I cut the power and restarted it.  It booted into Windows without asking about Ubuntu; should I have waited a while longer after mashing enter and nothing happening at alll?
[23:38] <doomlord> is it possible to install a 'regular' compiz based wm/de in parallel with ubuntu - i.e. other DE not using the tweaked ubuntu-ized plugins
[23:39] <doomlord> (unity-ized).  the itch i have is the "show all windows" feature
[23:39] <doomlord> but overall i like unity
[23:39] <blastedt> google suggests I did the right thing there
[23:39] <Guest82068> You mean like the default GNOME 3?
[23:39] <wols> blastedt: was a bootloader (grub 2) installed at any point? and if so: where?
[23:39] <blastedt> no, some people told me that a bootloader would be installed automatically by the livecd
[23:39] <blastedt> though i chose to do custom partitioning; maybe that turned it off
[23:40] <wols> yes it usually was: which is why I asked
[23:40] <wols> no that won't turn it off
[23:40] <Guest82068> just try booting from each of your drives until you find the one you put GRUB on
[23:40] <blastedt> i cut my windows partition in half and formatted the new half with the default filesystem, and chose / for the directory
[23:40] <Guest82068> When I upgraded to 12.10 it decided to move my GRUB across to a new drive
[23:40] <blastedt> thanks, will try that
[23:40] <wols> blastedt: how many harddrives do you actually have?
[23:41] <blastedt> Three physical hard drives, four partitions
[23:41] <f00dMonsta> blastedt: my system has a bug, it added a "ubuntu" boot drive to my list of bootable devices in bios, but booting from there gives me errors, so I set it back to my main HD
[23:41] <blastedt> thanks! i will poke around my BIOS and check things out
[23:41] <Julian> PLEASE HELP!!! I HAD ERROR INSTALLING UBUNTU  AND NOW COMPUTER LOADS TO A  BLACK SCREEN WITH A FOLDER IN MIDDLE OF SCREEN
[23:42] <wols> Julian: what you just did won't get you any help but many annoyed people
[23:42] <f00dMonsta> Julian: All caps just made that "sound" funny for me
[23:42] <Guest82068> install it again!
[23:42] <wols> Julian: learn to describe your errors
[23:42] <f00dMonsta> anyone using KDE here?
[23:42] <wols> !anyone
[23:43] <Julian> ok sry for caps forgot how hurts some people yes lol
[23:43] <f00dMonsta> :P
[23:43] <Guest82068> anyone know how to disable mouse acceleration in xorg.conf?
[23:43] <WeThePeople> actionparsnip, how do i edit the 'LANGUAGE=' and 'ALL=' ? >>> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1306133/
[23:44] <Guest82068> I generated one called xorg.conf.new but see no field to edit the mouse value
[23:44] <Nerp> how do I calculate the true amount of free memory I have?
[23:44] <Julian> anybody knows why after an erro installin ubuntu  i couldnt read beacuse rebooted automatically, i cant restar my pc
[23:44] <Karlo_> Julian, I can't parse that
[23:44] <Guest82068> That's kind of incredibly vague, Julian
[23:44] <wols> Guest82068: by googling "linux disable mouse accleration" which gives you https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_acceleration as the first link for example
[23:45] <f00dMonsta> ok here goes... KDE is not supporting multiple monitors to my satisfaction, I don't know if it's just me.. When I unplug external monitor from my laptop the panel doesn't reappear on my laptop screen, and windows that were open on the external mon would be stuck offscreen.... am i missing something?
[23:45] <wols> Nerp: there is no free memory. if there is, your ubuntu is very very broken
[23:45] <blastedt_> BOOTMGR is missing when I pick the hard drive with my OSes on it via bios... guess I'll try to reinstall grub with my livecd
[23:45] <Nerp> wols: Memory that is not used by applications.
[23:45] <blackshirt> qurban day
[23:46] <Julian> ok sorry, i was installing latest ubuntu  12.10 from live cd, when error pop out and  jus restarted the machine, after that error when i restart my pc i get a black screen with a folder called "?"
[23:46] <wols> Nerp: man free
[23:46] <f00dMonsta> Nerp: Get your total memory, then subtract it with the amount you're using :P
[23:46] <wols> !errors | Julian
[23:46] <Guest82068> wols it says set the following to 1 1 0
[23:46] <Guest82068> Those are not in the xorg.conf.new
[23:46] <wols> Guest82068: duh! why would they?
[23:46] <Julian> sorry but the pc after the installation error rebooted
[23:46] <Nerp> vmstat -s -S M | grep mem'
[23:46] <Julian> couldnt even write it down
[23:46] <blastedt_> wols: how many of those are there ?
[23:47] <wols> blastedt_: "those"?
[23:47] <Guest82068> They should say "add" not set" because there's clearly an example set there
[23:47] <blastedt_> !bothelpspeople
[23:47] <cweagans> Hi there. I'm installing Ubuntu 12.10 and I'm wondering if I can not have a swap partition and use a file somewhere instead. I know it was possible with earlier versions of Ubuntu, but the only help document that I found said that it won't work in 12.04 and forward because the way that hibernation works has changed.
[23:47] <Nerp> shows 2942 total and 2435 used which doesnt appear to be true when looking at top
[23:48] <wols> cweagans: you can, but you might not be able to use hibernation, yes
[23:48] <cweagans> ah, okay
[23:48] <cweagans> I'm already at 4 partitions and I don't want to make this setup any more complicated than it needs to be :(
[23:48] <Guest82068> I'm also curious to know why it's so difficult just to turn off maccel but heh
[23:48] <wols> cweagans: if you don't need it you can use a swap file. but why would you want to? a swap file is good if you need a temporary one. for a real swap space, you want a partition
[23:48] <ph4r7w1p3> looking for bandwidth monitoring program that doesn't keep track of LAN usage can someone help please
[23:48] <wols> cweagans: create an extended partition. much better thing to do.
[23:49] <cweagans> mmk
[23:49] <cweagans> thanks wols
[23:49] <wols> ph4r7w1p3: iptraf
[23:49] <Nerp> looking at top the system should only be using 4% of the total memory
[23:49] <ph4r7w1p3> does iptraf have gui and tray icon
[23:49] <wols> Nerp: what does "free" say?
[23:49] <wols> ph4r7w1p3: it's a ncurses based program
[23:50] <xrs1> is every one still needing to boot twice too boot or is it just my computers?
[23:50] <wols> just yours
[23:50] <ClientAlive> I need to take a screenshot. I've tried ctrl+prt sc, fn+prt sc, <windows>+prt sc, and alt+prt sc. Nothing seems to work. What do I do?
[23:50] <Troy^> what is a good mail program
[23:50] <wols> ClientAlive: use scrot :)
[23:50] <Nerp> wols: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=RX5eN2Bq
[23:51] <Karlo_> ClientAlive, for me it's just been PrtScrn with no modifier.
[23:51] <xrs1> then could i get some help with why they restart and boot a second time? one of my computers takes about 10 minutes to boot because of this
[23:52] <ClientAlive> Karlo_: I'll try that again. I'm used to a window popping up asking where to save but I know sometimes you have to paste it into draw or something. No window comes up for me so I've been trying to paste it.
[23:52] <Guest82068> How do I change the default text editor from gedit to emacs?
[23:53] <xrs1> i cant even turn it on and walk away i have to baby sit it cuz about 6 minutes in it stops at grub and waits for me to select ubuntu (the only OS)
[23:53] <ClientAlive> wols: What is scrot? Karlo_: No luck w/ just prt sc. What get's pasted is the last text I copied to the clipboard, not a screenshot.
[23:54] <wols> xrs1: if you need 6 minutes to grub, you have a hardware problem. linux isn't even loaded at that point
[23:54] <wols> ClientAlive: scrot is a program
[23:54] <Nerp> wols: any idea after seeing the free output?
[23:54] <ClientAlive> wols: well I can look at it
[23:55] <xrs1> no it boots almost to the logon screen, then reboots (the first couple of reboots i had a bood screen and could see what was going on. during the fist boot it runs fsck and restarts
[23:55] <wols> !info scrot
[23:55] <xrs1> it takes so long because it is 11 years old
[23:55] <wols> xrs1: sounds still very much like hardware to me
[23:55] <Karlo_> I'm in single-user mode now.  I can't boot from any other medium but hd, but I can remount / to make it writable, and I can mount the thumb drive that I'd been hoping to boot from.  What can I do from here?
[23:55] <wols> e.g. bad caps cause cold boot problems
[23:56] <xrs1> okay then the laptop i am talking to you on now is relitively new, never had this problem untill 12.10
[23:56] <ClientAlive> I don't understand why I can't take a screenshot with gnome. Seem I recall doing it before on this system.
[23:56] <xrs1> if i were to go back to 12.04.1 this wouldnt be an issue
[23:57] <wols> xrs1: I like if how it's first a 11 year old PC then a new laptop. go away and please don't bother me anymore
[23:57] <f00dMonsta> <_< ok I need a WM/DE that doesn't suck up 30% CPU on idle, and works with multiple monitors being plugged on and off frequently
[23:57] <xrs1> if you have been reading i said this problem is occuring on ALL my computers
[23:58] <dr_willis> unity on idle here.. less then 5% liad according to htop
[23:58] <f00dMonsta> xrs1: default installation settings?
[23:58] <xrs1> it cant be a hardware problem if it is occuring on ALL 9 computers and ONLY on 12.10
[23:59] <f00dMonsta> dr_willis: not sure why compiz (with unity) sucks up 30% minimum all the time
[23:59] <xrs1> for the most part. only thing different on these 2 laptops is that it is installed to a thumbdrive instead of a hard drive