[00:01] <bin_bash> o
[00:01] <bin_bash> nope
[00:01] <bin_bash> i always use mirrors
[00:02] <xubuntu212> torrent process is supposed to have no chance of corruption
[00:02] <xubuntu212> so should not need to have md5sum of it, however... if someone lights off the torrent with a corrupt file.. it is going ot land corrupt... very bad for user experience
[00:08] <David-A> xubuntu212: if you get the torrent-file and the checksum-file from the same site, they will probably both be corrupted and match eachother (assuming competent crooks)
[00:27] <David-A> xubuntu212: i've just downloaded xubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso via torrent and md5sum matches that on site cdimages.ubuntu.com
[01:09] <greasegum> not a bug exactly
[01:09] <greasegum> but it seems weird that when I click to minimize in xfce-panel I can't just click again to bring a window back
[01:09] <greasegum> I have to switch focus to another window first
[01:09] <greasegum> then I can click the first window to restore
[01:10] <bin_bash> So, is this channel only for XFCE help
[01:10] <greasegum> bin_bash:: I don't think so.
[01:11] <greasegum> but I did just realize that xfce has its own channel
[02:00] <lotuspsychje> hi all, i installed xubuntu 12.04.1 with xubuntu-restricted-extras and enabled 'partners' source then tryed both adobe-flashplugin and flashplugin-installer..i still cant play youtube any thoughts?
[02:38] <psychogenik> haven't tried 12.10 yet, how is it?
[02:40] <Name141> Is the UI pretty much the same in the LTS as 12.10 ?
[02:40] <psychogenik> dont know
[02:40] <psychogenik> about to try it on virtualbox
[02:41] <Name141> psychogenik: are you on the LTS?
[02:41] <Unit193> Not too different, just a couple things.  Read the release notes?
[02:41] <Name141> Unit193: So there's nothing spectacularly new from the LTS ?
[02:41] <psychogenik> yea was wondering if I should stay on lts or not
[02:42] <Unit193> Xfce 4.10, big one.
[02:42] <Name141> I was wondering if I should get the LTS or 12.10.. I'm thinking LTS since I don't like being annoyed a lot.
[02:49] <Name141> I suppose I'll download the LTS, run it live.. see if I like the looks of it.. then run 12.10 later on the USB stick and figure out which one I want
[02:50] <Name141> I'm getting tired of ye olde XP lagging up with MSE or AGP
[02:50] <Name141> avg..tomatoes..tuhamatoes
[02:51] <psychogenik> aha same mse is killin xp for me
[02:51] <Name141> yeah, and avira blows.
[02:52] <psychogenik> I'll prob go with LTS just to be safe
[02:52] <psychogenik> cant make up my mind really
[02:52] <Name141> I just want to go with it just to not be annoyed for 3 years if I don't want to be.
[02:54] <psychogenik> anyone effected by the ext4 data corruption bug?
[03:58] <amigo316> Hello everyone, I installed xubuntu recently. I got a prob. Every filesystem icons is displayed twice on my desktop! Someone pls help me fix this
[03:59] <Unit193> Bug #1044896 and Bug #1039375
[04:42] <psychogenik> I <3 12.10
[05:44] <amigo316> Hello Everyone, Volume icon is missing in the top panel. Please help me fix it!
[05:50] <amigo316> Problem Solved. Thanks if someone took effort to answer. :)
[05:53] <psychogenik> why doesnt xubuntu 12.10 have graphic drivers?
[05:55] <WalterN> cause it does?
[05:56] <psychogenik> mine isnt showing up only my wifi driver :(
[05:56] <WalterN> is it an AMD video card or NVIDIA?
[05:56] <WalterN> or maybe its intel?
[05:57] <psychogenik> AMD
[05:57] <WalterN> the closed source AMD drivers dont work on the new kernel unless you do serious hackage
[05:58] <psychogenik> awr
[05:58] <WalterN> but the open source AMD drivers IMO are quite good
[05:58] <psychogenik> where can I find those?
[05:58] <WalterN> you are using them
[05:59] <WalterN> its part of the kernel... heh.. more or less an extension of the Xorg project
[05:59] <psychogenik> oh
[05:59] <WalterN> what AMD video card do you have?
[05:59] <psychogenik> older one
[05:59] <psychogenik> 3200
[05:59] <WalterN> oh well yeah
[06:00] <WalterN> the older ones are very well supported
[06:00] <WalterN> run glxgears and see what frames/second you get
[06:00] <psychogenik> ok
[06:01] <WalterN> I'm very happy the way open source is headed these days
[06:02] <psychogenik> I was just used to being able to see catalyst manager
[06:02] <WalterN> ah
[06:02] <WalterN> yeah... when AMD bought ATI, AMD started releasing specs to the video cards so better open source drivers could be made
[06:03] <WalterN> and hired a few people to help the dev along
[06:04] <psychogenik> heard recently they laid off a lot of people and going to stop supporting legacy drivers for xp and linux
[06:04] <psychogenik> so I might have to upgrade soon.
[06:04] <WalterN> for closed source, yeah... open source drivers will continue to thrive
[06:04] <psychogenik> oh thats good
[06:06] <WalterN> you run glxgears from the command line?
[06:06] <psychogenik> said could not be found?
[06:07] <WalterN> oh yeah
[06:08] <WalterN> you need to apt-get install mesa-utils
[06:11] <psychogenik> ok i'm getting good fps
[06:11] <psychogenik> thanks
[06:11] <WalterN> easy problem is easy
[06:11] <WalterN> :3
[06:18] <Wizard> Good morning.
[06:18] <WalterN> it is indeed... 19 minutes into morning
[06:28] <Wizard> 8:28
[06:28] <Wizard> Pretty advanced morning, I'd say.
[06:29] <Wizard> It's become even bright already :P
[06:43] <The_Letter_M> Hello Everyone
[06:48] <Wizard> Hi, The_Letter_M.
[07:13] <WalterN> herm
[07:14] <WalterN> is there something to just show other people what I'm working on?
[07:14] <WalterN> something like VNC but without the ability to control computers
[07:17] <well_laid_lawn> WalterN: what do you mean by show?
[07:17] <well_laid_lawn> show the code or a vid clip of it or... ?
[07:17] <Unit193> Screencast style, but live.
[07:18] <WalterN> like... well.. I guess VNC would work if the remote control part is disabled
[07:18] <Unit193> -noremote              Do not process any remote control commands or queries.
[07:19] <WalterN> is there a shiny GUI thingy around?
[07:20] <well_laid_lawn> iirc vlc has a screencapture option that you could share on the lan, you'd have to set it up for streaming
[07:21] <well_laid_lawn> vlc = video lan client    it's made to do that sort of thing
[07:22] <WalterN> right... and I want to set up a server.. what one do I want?
[07:23] <WalterN> with shiny buttons to click on XD
[07:23] <well_laid_lawn> I don't think there's one like that around
[07:23] <well_laid_lawn> there'll be cli work invovled afaik
[07:24] <well_laid_lawn> if the others have vnc use that
[07:28] <well_laid_lawn> WalterN: might be something you could use here - http://www.howtoforge.com/streaming-your-desktop-with-audio-and-webcam-overlay-in-a-browser-using-ffmpeg-crtmpserver-and-flowplayer
[07:29] <ochosi> evil suggestion: use skype (you can share your screen with it, works across platforms)
[07:29] <WalterN> my mind was just starting to wonder to ffmpeg.. heh
[07:30] <WalterN> that is one heck of an intensive command
[07:31] <well_laid_lawn> it is :0
[07:31] <WalterN> ffmpeg -f alsa -i pulse -f x11grab -s 1680x1050 -r 30 -i :0.0+0,0 -vf "movie=/dev/video0:f=video4linux2, scale=240:-1, fps, setpts=PTS-STARTPTS [movie]; [in][movie] overlay=main_w-overlay_w-2:main_h-overlay_h-2 [out]" -vcodec libx264 -crf 20 -preset veryfast -minrate 150k -maxrate 500k -s 960x540 -acodec libfaac -ar 44100 -ab 96000 -threads 0 -f flv - | tee name.flv | ffmpeg -i - -codec copy -f flv -met
[07:31] <WalterN> adata streamName=livestream tcp://x.x.y.y:1234
[07:31] <WalterN> lol
[07:31] <well_laid_lawn> vlc can make it easier - http://grok.lsu.edu/article.aspx?articleid=14625
[07:34] <Silence-> Pleasantly surprised by Xubuntu 12.10. Decided to try ubuntu again, after a while with Debian, after having deserted ubuntu (after having used debian for years).
[07:34] <Silence-> Confusing, I know.
[07:34] <Silence-> Anyway, 12.10 looks good, and I haven't had that many ubuntu-clusterfucks so far.
[07:34] <Silence-> A few crashes are to be expected, I guess, but overall it works quite well.
[07:35] <WalterN> the only problem I've ever had was with unity...
[07:35] <Silence-> WalterN: Sure, ubuntu as a dist works quite well. I do still get the occasional "system crash"-popup though. Plus, I dislike the categorization of updates. Sometimes I get GUI-updates in "critical security updates".
[07:36] <Silence-> Which makes no sense, to me.
[07:36] <Silence-> But yes, xubuntu 12.10 looks great.
[07:38] <Wizard> :)
[07:43] <Wizard> Silence-: Alas, Xubuntu still needs improvements.
[07:44] <Silence-> Wizard: Of course. All Linux systems do. We need better cooperation. I still hope Google will stop using ubuntu+unity at their offices, and instead put effort into developing Google Linux, with great design and, perhaps, dedicated hardware, apple style. Imagine a Linux Dist made by Google, that could handle native Android apps.
[07:44] <Silence-> And with great design etc.
[07:44] <Silence-> That would truly change the market.
[07:44] <Wizard> I don't doubt.
[07:46] <Wizard> Unity is a nice aproach, but its quality is terrible.
[07:46] <Wizard> Xfce is stable, but sometimes it is inconsistent.
[07:46] <Wizard> Nothing is perfect :P
[07:46] <Wizard> At least xfce is fast and not so much RAM hungry.
[07:47] <Silence-> I always stuck with fluxbox or lately, lxde.
[07:47] <Silence-> I found xfce too bloated.
[07:47] <Silence-> But I must say, it is quite nice.
[07:47] <Silence-> I like that dists still needs improvements.
[07:47] <Silence-> That's what makes people create new and better ways, and new dists.
[07:47] <Wizard> 4.10 got some nice features.
[07:47] <Silence-> It keeps the Linux world on its feet.
[07:48] <Wizard> :P
[07:53] <xubuntu718> hi
[07:53] <xubuntu718> anyone still up?
[08:58] <diegokapu> hello, does anyone know how to enable the volume control button in the indicator applet (i am running xfce desktop on xubuntu 12.04)
[09:19] <koegs> no patience
[09:43] <jayneil_> Hi. I am using Xubuntu 12.04 on my laptop and I am connecting the laptop to external lcd tv via hdmi. The problem I facing is that if I clone the displays on both the laptop and tv, some part of the screen gets clipped on the laptop screen
[09:43] <jayneil_> I mean there is some portion of the screen on the edge of the screen which I cannot access
[09:43] <jayneil_> So, how do I solve this problem?
[09:44] <jayneil_> I never faced this problem while using Ubuntu..
[09:45] <well_laid_lawn> jayneil_: how are you going about cloning the display?
[09:45] <jayneil_> via settings>display
[09:45] <well_laid_lawn> k
[09:45] <jayneil_> and use both laptop and hdmi output
[09:46] <jayneil_> basically i want the output on both laptop and external tv in proper resolution without anything getting clipped
[09:46] <well_laid_lawn> of course
[09:46] <TheSheep> jayneil_: did you try to set it up with xrandr?
[09:47] <TheSheep> jayneil_: or arandr, if you like gui
[09:47] <jayneil_> arandr keeps crashing
[09:49] <well_laid_lawn> you can check what the display settings are now with xrandr
[09:49] <well_laid_lawn> is that laptop using the tv's size?
[09:50] <jayneil_> ok. i ran xrandr. it seems tv is in full 1080p and laptop is  1366x768
[09:52] <well_laid_lawn> that seems like it should be ok then
[09:54] <well_laid_lawn> are you using one of the proprietry graphics drivers ?
[09:54] <jayneil_> http://pastebin.com/G8Hy0Hea
[09:54] <well_laid_lawn> they have their own interface for that
[09:54] <jayneil_> output of the xrandr command
[09:55] <jayneil_> no external graphics card
[09:55] <jayneil_> default intel graphic card
[09:56] <well_laid_lawn> intel should work fine with xrandr
[09:57] <well_laid_lawn> the xrandr paste was what you said it was
[09:57] <jayneil_> also on the external tv, some portion is clipped
[09:57] <jayneil_> so what should i do to fix this..?
[09:58] <well_laid_lawn> what makes you think there is screen realestate on the laptop that's not visible?
[09:58] <well_laid_lawn> or why do you think it is clipped?
[09:59] <jayneil_> well i have my browser open.. So, i cannot see close or maximise button on right hand side. its way beyond the edge of the screen
[09:59] <jayneil_> same with file manager.. i cannot see any of those buttons.. some of the icons are even clipped off on the right hand side near the edge of the screen
[10:00] <well_laid_lawn> on the laptop?
[10:01] <well_laid_lawn> it might be that the tv is the primary so windows show up larger on the laptop
[10:01] <jayneil_> on the laptop as well as the external tv
[10:01] <well_laid_lawn> on both ok
[10:03] <jayneil_> but changing the external tv resolution to 1680x1050 solves the edge issue on it.. but the problem stll persists on the laptop screen
[10:06] <WalterN> it could be the OS is seeing the native resolution of the TV and setting its self to that, when the actual viewing area of the TV is smaller (so you have to set a smaller resolution)
[10:06] <WalterN> I've had something like this with my "1080p" TV
[10:07] <WalterN> when its actually a few pixels smaller viewing area
[10:08] <WalterN> but right now I'm too tired to brain
[10:08]  * WalterN passes out on the bed
[10:08] <miarf> the 12.10 installer's security key strength indicator works kinda weirdly
[10:08] <miarf> it goes from "strong password" to "short password" by adding characters to the "strong" one
[10:10] <jayneil_>   ok
[10:11] <well_laid_lawn> jayneil_: did you set a size for each monitor when you set them up?
[10:20] <well_laid_lawn>  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1982974
[10:32] <jayneil_> No, I did not. But, i reduced the external tv's resolution from 1080p to 1650x1080 so that it fits the screen
[10:32] <jayneil_> no change on the laptop screen resolution
[10:33] <jayneil_> i am trying to get arandr to run.. but it just keeps crashing. even downloaded the latest version.. same thing. it wont execute
[10:33] <well_laid_lawn> if you run it in a terminal is there any errors ?
[10:33] <jayneil_> yes
[10:34] <well_laid_lawn> you can paste them
[10:34] <well_laid_lawn> !paste
[10:34] <jayneil_> http://pastebin.com/Qtqd54Tz
[10:36] <well_laid_lawn> seems python doesn't think 480i is an integer
[10:36] <well_laid_lawn> and it isn't
[10:37] <jayneil_> so what should i do now?
[10:37] <well_laid_lawn> do you have the file .arandr in your home dir ?
[10:38] <well_laid_lawn> I'd delete that and try again
[10:38] <well_laid_lawn> hang on - why are you running arandr from the Downloads dir?
[10:39] <well_laid_lawn> !info arandr
[10:39] <well_laid_lawn> it's in the package manager
[10:41] <jayneil_> yea true.. but that does not worl
[10:41] <jayneil_> *work
[10:41] <jayneil_> so i downloaded the latest version from the website and tried running it
[10:41] <well_laid_lawn> it's the same errors for both?
[10:41] <well_laid_lawn> or similar?
[10:42] <jayneil_> well when i install it from software center, i get an icon and i just click on that but nothing happens
[10:42] <well_laid_lawn> try from a terminal
[10:42] <well_laid_lawn> sudo apt-get install arandr
[10:43] <jayneil_> did that too.. it just does not open..
[10:44] <jayneil_> 2mrw I am going to try connecting my laptop with another monitor and make sure that this problem is not because of it..
[10:45] <well_laid_lawn> I'd make sure I had set the size for each monitor in settings>display
[10:46] <jayneil_> yea the size is set..
[10:47] <jayneil_> but here is the wierd thing.. i have jupiter installed.. so in that if i go to Video Display?both internal left, then it fixes the issue on my laptop but not the tv
[10:47] <jayneil_> video display>both  internal left
[10:48] <well_laid_lawn> ok afaik the other thing to try is to logout, press ctrl+alt+F2 and login and mv -v ~/.config ~/.config.bak and logout and ctrl+alt+F7 and login and try the setup again
[11:34] <xubuntu671> hi. I was having some problems with connecting my laptop to external screen. So, I renamed my ~/.config file to ~/.config.bak and somehow messed up
[11:34] <xubuntu671> and now all my old settings are gone
[11:34] <xubuntu671> and its all haywire
[11:35] <xubuntu671> the laptop does not even detect an hdmi monitor anymore
[11:35] <Wizard> This is really strange.
[11:36] <Wizard> 1. Never mess with .config, there are other configuration directories (like .local)
[11:36] <Wizard> 2. Messing with .config can't just disable hardware support.
[11:36] <Wizard> Do you have monitor your monitor attached now?
[11:36] <xubuntu671> yes
[11:37] <xubuntu671> everything is gone
[11:37] <xubuntu671> even the keyboard shortcut does not wor
[11:37] <Wizard> what does xrandr command say?
[11:37] <xubuntu671> *work
[11:37] <xubuntu671> it does not show the external monitor
[11:37] <Wizard> Whoa.
[11:38] <xubuntu671> damn! why on earth did i bother with all this..
[11:38] <xubuntu671> it took me so long to get this asus laptop to work with xubuntu
[11:38] <Wizard> Don't worry.
[11:38] <xubuntu671> and not i got to start all over from scratch
[11:38] <Wizard> Nvidia optimus?
[11:38] <xubuntu671> no normal intel hd graphic card
[11:39] <Wizard> Hmm.. so it should work out of the box.
[11:39] <xubuntu671> arandr was not running.. hence i tried messing with config file
[11:39] <Wizard> check xorg.log for errors.
[11:39] <xubuntu671> where do i find the above folder?
[11:40] <Wizard> /var/log/X11
[11:40] <Wizard> Or just /var/log.. I never remember :P
[11:43] <xubuntu671> it is a very big file
[11:44] <Wizard> Look for EE or lines related to HDMI.
[11:44] <Wizard> I'm not an expert in Xorg configuration/drivers/monitors, unfortuntely.
[11:44] <Wizard> Acrually, I'm not expert at all :P
[11:52] <Wizard> Uh.
[11:53] <Wizard> "I feel so helpless"
[12:05] <ilias> i installed to a friend's old notebook (acer travelmate with cpu 3ghz and 750 ram) xubuntu 12.04. Everything to be running smoothly, but very often the system freezes during internet browsing (using either Mozilla or Crome) and the only way to re-start is to click to power on/off button. Any idea? Is it a distro's issue or is it a harware problem?
[12:06] <Spike29> ilias: have you installed the Flash plugin ?
[12:06] <bazhang> ilias, I answered you in #kubuntu already
[12:06] <Spike29> Sometimes Flash crashes for me too
[12:08] <ilias> bazhang: thank you for your answer. i am considering about lubuntu. do you think i have to go straight from this installation trying sudo apt-get install lubuntu or try a fresh one?
[12:09] <ilias> Spike29: adobe must be installed. otherwise no page is possible to be read.
[12:09] <Spike29> ok
[12:13] <ilias> Spike29: the problem is that freezes to often. if there is no activity nothing is happening, but if you try to browse to certain 'heavy' pages crash is almost everytime coming? so ram limitation, accelerator card driver's issue or just distro too heavy for this machine?
[12:14] <Spike29> what is the CPU ?
[12:15] <ilias> intel 3ghz 7 years old
[12:15] <Spike29> well, it should work with xubuntu :/
[12:16] <Spike29> lubuntu is faster, btw
[12:16] <Spike29> but a fresh install is better
[12:17] <ilias> sure. i am running 12.04 on an older hp notebook with a 1,5 ghz but with a 1,5 gb ram and is very very fast and smooth. so why not a 3 ghz processor.
[12:19] <ilias> Spike29: i have already downloaded lubuntu 12.04 to try it. should i try this distro or try an older one. i also downloaded xubuntu 10.04 witch is still alive. should i try it or i will loose my time?
[12:19] <Spike29> well, you can try both of them on LiveCDs
[12:20] <Spike29> whithout installing anything
[12:23] <ilias> yes, sure but this option is more slow. i downloaded also mint 13 which as far as i read is based on ubuntu. is it a good also option to try it or is it definetely more heavy than xubuntu 12.04. i read the requirements and asks for at least 512 as 12.04 i think.
[12:24] <lestus> evening
[12:25] <ilias> okey guys. thank you for your advises. i quit for now.
[12:34] <lestus> let the rhythm be your guiding light
[13:14] <mcb_1> I upgraded to Xubuntu 12.10 and now i cant mount DVD/CD. Running as root: If I try $mount /dev/cdrom2 /mnt ; I get can`t read superblock. If i try: $mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom2 /mnt; I get: Wrong fs type. Does anyone know what I can do. I worked before upgrading.
[13:16] <Marzatha> "could not install package" when trying to run ntp from the time menu. Any comment?
[13:16] <Marzatha> ah, in Xubuntu 12.10 (64)
[13:16] <Marzatha> ntp is not working again?
[13:34] <koegs> Marzatha: try to install ntp from the command line
[13:34] <Marzatha> koegs: again?
[13:34] <Marzatha> in 11.10 all was fine
[13:34] <koegs> Marzatha: try "sudo apt-get install ntp"
[13:35] <Marzatha> in 12.04 wrong, in 12.10 wrong again
[13:44] <Marzatha> where do you change the size of the panel text of the weather applet?
[13:51] <Marzatha> ok, will write all this in the forum ... and thanks
[14:10] <marcpv> hi, please, I missed the "envelope" area in the bar after the upgrade, the one that use to be pidgin, etc.... any idea?
[14:47] <xubuntu080> is anyone here?
[14:47] <TheSheep> no
[14:48] <apm1> TheSheep, irony :p
[15:10] <mcb_1> I upgraded to Xubuntu 12.10 and now i can NOT mount DVD/CD. Running as root: If I try $mount /dev/cdrom2 /mnt ; I get can`t read superblock. If i try: $mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom2 /mnt; I get: Wrong fs type. Does anyone know what I can do. It worked fine before upgrading, automounting and all...
[15:16] <apm1> knome, the quality of 3.5 is speaking for itself ;)
[15:16] <GridCube> are you sure /dev/cdrom2 is the proper path?
[15:17] <apm1> mcb_1, honestly revert back to 12.04 and stay there for 5 years :p
[15:18] <GridCube> apm1: you are not helping
[15:18] <apm1> it is and will be much more stable than new releases
[15:18] <GridCube> apm1: you are still not helping
[15:18] <mcb_1> apm1: This realy solves a problem....
[15:19] <apm1> mcb_1, sarcasm ?
[15:19] <GridCube> mcb_1: what i wonder is why do you need to use the mount option, cdroms should be automounted
[15:20] <mcb_1> mcb_1: I tried to mount by hand cause that automount stoped working. But I also posted in the Ubuntu IRC and I think i came to a solution.
[15:20] <mcb_1> I am just testing it.
[15:21] <mcb_1> And worked fine! Problem was: In the upgrade for some reason, my /dev/cdrom was moved to /dev/cdrom2. I just remade the link to sr0 with cdrom.
[15:24] <GridCube> welp that was what i was asking you :P mcb_1
[15:37] <batman> I
[15:37] <batman> am batman!
[15:37] <Guest55256> PrinceMotumbo: You interuppted me.
[15:37] <Guest55256> What!
[15:37] <Guest55256> I AM BATMAN
[15:37] <Guest55256> STOP THIS NONSENSE
[15:37] <Guest55256> Fuck you NickServ
[15:38] <Guest55256> Batman used to be a Debian user.
[15:38] <Guest55256> Not anymore!
[16:03] <baizon> thank you TheSheep
[16:13] <marcpv> hi, please, anyone know how to recover the "envelope" icon in the bar... I'ts lost after the upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10
[16:13] <baizon> whats envelope?
[16:14] <baizon> marcpv: its because indicator-messages-gkt2 is gone for 12.10
[16:14] <marcpv> so it's normal?
[16:14] <baizon> http://xubuntu.org/news/12-10-release/
[16:15] <baizon> Known issues: The messaging indicator is not available for 12.10
[16:15] <unheeding> HELL YEAH XUBUNTU ROCKS
[16:15] <unheeding> woooo!
[16:15] <baizon> marcpv: sadly yes, but maybe there will be a fix
[16:15] <marcpv> I miss it... :(
[16:15] <baizon> marcpv: me too
[16:15] <marcpv> I hope there is a fix soon... thanks you anyway baizon
[16:15] <baizon> marcpv: np
[16:16] <marcpv> bye!
[16:17] <unheeding> I'm actually running Gnome Shell.  is there a ubuntu chanenel for that?
[16:18] <baizon> unheeding: no, #gnobuntu is empty
[16:19] <baizon> just try it on #ubuntu
[16:20] <baizon> or here :)
[16:20] <unheeding> ok
[16:20] <unheeding> I am on xubuntu
[16:20] <baizon> yes
[16:23] <GridCube> unheeding: if you are not using xfce, you are not on xubuntu
[16:23] <unheeding> but the xubuntu splash screen still shows up
[16:23] <baizon> hehehe
[16:24] <Wizard> :)
[16:24] <baizon> xubuntu theme != xfce ;)
[16:24] <Wizard> That doesn't work like that.
[16:24] <baizon> its not even the whole theme, its xubuntu-plymouth-theme
[16:25] <GridCube> unheeding: you can put a cat picture as splash if you want. that doesnt make it that you will be runing in cat P:
[16:26] <unheeding> what if i customize kde to look like Xfce
[16:26] <unheeding> does that count
[16:26] <baizon> unheeding: not really
[16:26] <unheeding> haha
[16:26] <GridCube> no
[16:26] <wonderworld> i tried cinnamon yesterday. looks promising too.
[16:26] <unheeding> i like cinnamon, but the menu takes FOREVER to open up
[16:26] <wonderworld> still a bit buggy but nice and fast. really liked it
[16:27] <wonderworld> instantly for me
[16:27] <unheeding> maybe i'll install it again and try it out
[16:27] <wonderworld> i idn't install mint
[16:27] <unheeding> i finally have fglrx installed
[16:27] <baizon> xfce + synapse, thats the sollution!
[16:27] <wonderworld> just apt-get install cinnamon
[16:27] <unheeding> yeah thats what i meant
[16:27] <wonderworld> couldn't use the desktop, no right-clicks possible
[16:27] <wonderworld> but the rest was working great
[16:28] <GridCube> !ot | all
[16:28] <GridCube> !ot
[16:30] <ner0x> Any USB installation guides?
[16:31] <wonderworld> you want to install xubuntu on a USB stick?
[16:32] <unheeding> or via a USB stick?
[16:32] <unheeding> !usb
[16:32] <ner0x> Via a USB stick. Sorry about that.
[16:34] <wonderworld> i can't bookmark SFTP:// connections in thunar. this hasn't worked with older releases either. is there a way to fix it? i was wondering if it was my system oder if it's a general problem.
[16:35] <GridCube> do you have gvfs-backends installed?
[16:36] <wonderworld> the connections work, i just can't bookmark them. gvfs-backends is installed
[16:36] <wonderworld> if a bookmark a connection, the bookmark is lost, after logout
[16:36] <wonderworld> i tried to use gigolo as a replacement, but gigolo doesn't save the passwords in the gnome-keyring in 12.10
[16:37] <wonderworld> i don't know how to fix this either :)
[16:39] <GridCube> wonderworld: its a longstanding known bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/212789
[16:40] <GridCube> wonderworld: you can add the sftp location to fstab as a mount point and you add the mount point to the sidebar
[16:40] <wonderworld> yes, i fiddled around with sshfs before to do that.
[16:40] <wonderworld> thanks for your help
[16:43] <GridCube> wonderworld: dont worry and good luck
[16:43] <wonderworld> ok, this bug is really old. 2008
[16:44] <GridCube> indeed, long standing bug it is
[17:48] <glitch_> hi
[17:48] <GridCube> !hi | glitch_
[17:50] <glitch_> thank you
[17:51] <glitch_> I had questions, but I've forgotten them...lol
[17:51] <baizon> hehe
[17:51] <GridCube> happens
[17:55] <glitch_> oh okay so I'm naturally long winded... I dont try, but I struggle with finding a simpler way to say things... so bare with me but I remembered one of my questions, and it's complicated... to ask, not to understand, and solve...
[17:56] <WalterN> dont ask to ask, just ask... :3 http://denver.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/rsz/mlfw7621_medium.jpg
[17:57] <recon_lap> glitch_: use a pastebin :)
[17:58] <glitch_> I'm not asking for permission to ask... (I'm american, I have be brought up to believe it's my right to ask/say whatever's on my mind) I'm just giving you all a heads up.
[18:01] <glitch_> I'm running xubuntu 12.04 live with persistence on a toshiba 1Tb USB 3.0 portable HDD... will provide other specs as needed...
[18:03] <koegs> sooooo
[18:04] <koegs> what's the question? :D
[18:05] <glitch_> I'm a slow typer and it's long... so it's gonna be a min.
[18:10] <xubuntu911> hi. I tried to upgrade to a new verison yesterday and although it went through installation, it does not restart. I keep getting to the screen where xubunuty line in running accross. Please help!
[18:11] <Wizard> xubuntu911: Tap escape and see the errors. I bet they are there.
[18:11] <recon_lap> xubuntu911: press shift while booting to see if you can get the boot menu, if you can try recovery mode
[18:19] <glitch_> I don't like how *buntu changed <cntrl> <alt> <back space> to (L)<alt> <prnt scrn> <k> so I menu> settings manager> [sessions and startup]  and slected the Auto startup tab...
[18:19] <glitch_>   and slected add and added the command:
[18:19] <glitch_>  setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp... now it works beautifully except whether I use this command or the default (L)<alt> <prnt scrn> <k> when I kill x, apperantly I'm not dropped into a login shell, I'm not dropped into a shell at all... I cant ues any commands not even sudo shutdown -h now... how do I either fix this or get myself into a shell and if at all possible I'd like to automate getting dropped into bash... not a big f
[18:19] <glitch_> an of dash.
[18:19] <glitch_> so that's my question.
[18:21] <xubuntu911> recovery mode comes up with bunch of errors...
[18:25] <recon_lap> xubuntu911: ok, can you pastebin some of the errors ?
[18:30] <recon_lap> xubuntu911: you might find this easier of you can boot from a CD/usb so you can cut and paste from the log files
[18:40] <glitch_> so any ideas... or need any clarification?
[18:40] <glitch_> also feel free to ssh me if needed
[18:44] <glitch_> anyone?
[18:44] <recon_lap> glitch_: maybe if you focused in on one issue, what are you trying to do exactly, would a tty console work? and you tried setting your own shortcut keys?
[18:46] <recon_lap> glitch_: also the things you asking about all seem to involve losing the Desktop, only got one computer so not something I'm going to try on my own machine
[18:47] <glitch_> the short cut I did  works, but either way, i get droped into nothingness... tty console, like as in terminal window?
[18:49] <koegs> is something like press "CTRL+ALT+F2" enough? you will get a tty
[18:50] <recon_lap> glitch_:  "CTRL+ALT+F2" you will get a tty, "CTRL+ALT+F7" brings you back to desktop
[18:52] <glitch_> it seems to work okay, will it take piping and redirecting etc.?
[18:52] <recon_lap> glitch_: also you could create a short cut key to the comman exo-open --launch TerminalEmulator
[18:54] <glitch_> still if xfce freezes on me how am i to restart x from the nothingness it drops me into
[18:55] <recon_lap> glitch_: freezes after you do what?
[18:56] <glitch_> it has yet to, i'm juts saing... hypothetically...
[18:57] <recon_lap> glitch_: xfce has never frozen on me, the kernel has crashed though and there is no coming back from that other than a hard reboot
[18:58] <recon_lap> glitch_: has you desktop been freezing ?
[19:00] <recon_lap> glitch_: and i think the command for starting the desktop is "startx" but not sure of that
[19:05] <glitch_> no my desktop had yet to freez, I'm just saying in the unlikly even that it does... and yes the command to start the x server is startx, but when it freezes you have to shut it down first... drop into your tty shell and try startx and you can see the error it returns... but i'm saying in a shell that takes no commands, how do I run startx?
[19:08] <glitch_> I cant even run /bin/bash from there, it wont take cd... ie cd /bin nor ls nothing.
[19:11] <recon_lap> glitch_: now do you get into a shell that takes no commands ?
[19:12] <recon_lap> glitch_: are you saying that tty will not take commands?
[19:12] <glitch_> ms winblows cant recover if it's window manager froze, but linux can... this is a fragment of the power that is linux... i dont wanna feel like I'm loosing that .
[19:13] <recon_lap> glitch_: again, are you saying that tty is not taking commands?
[19:14] <glitch_> with <cntrl> <alt> <back space>  or (L)<alt> <prnt scrn> <k> depending on weather I enabled or disable my work around last reboot or not.
[19:14] <glitch_> no tty is working just fine.
[19:16] <glitch_> let me refrase my question... if you press (L)<alt> <prnt scrn> <k> how do you get back to your gui, or how do you start bash?
[19:16] <glitch_> it's like your in init(run level) nothing...
[19:17] <recon_lap> glitch_: well, don't know what you talking about then, why not look up the command  (L)<alt> <prnt scrn> <k> actually runs and maybe well know whats what
[19:17] <recon_lap> well/ somebody
[19:18] <glitch_> I tried... I hate IRC honestly... but my bff google has not been kind to me.
[19:19] <WalterN> hate IRC?
[19:19] <WalterN> thats some strong words
[19:20] <recon_lap> lol, I dislike shortcut keys :)
[19:20] <glitch_> well I type slow, dont know how to say things simply, and thus struggle with IRC... so I strongly dislike having to struggle to keep up.
[19:21] <WalterN> IRC is how I learned to type
[19:21] <glitch_> lol
[19:22] <glitch_> i dont think there is a point and click equivelant to <cntrl> <alt> <back space>  or (L)<alt> <prnt scrn> <k... so if you where to perform that action, you would have to use shortcut keys.
[19:23] <recon_lap> glitch_: still wonders what  (L)<alt> <prnt scrn> <k>  is supposed to do, but not going to try as it seems to be a hard reboot from what you describing
[19:24] <recon_lap> actually make that a soft reboot :)
[19:25] <glitch_> you can use the command killx but if your gui freezes you need access to the cli to enter it... that's what it's inteded to do in the frist place... give you access to the command line.
[19:25] <recon_lap> tty?
[19:26] <glitch_> if your lucky it may work...
[19:26] <glitch_> i think i know what
[19:26] <glitch_> s happening...
[19:28] <glitch_> in *buntu when you kill x your not changing runlevels... just killing x and staying at init5 or V as *buntu seems to call it...
[19:30] <glitch_> "glitch_: still wonders what  (L)<alt> <prnt scrn> <k>  is supposed to do, but not going to try as it seems to be a hard reboot from what you describing" it's suposed to kill the x server and drop you into a shell, but it's not working like it does on other distros... even debian.
[19:32] <recon_lap> glitch_: sudo service lightdm stop
[19:33] <WalterN> kill the x!
[19:33] <glitch_> but then again they changed the key command for it, and that's the defacto linux standard... we dont have many of those, so I'd rather they leave it alone.
[19:34] <torax> we dont have many linux standard?
[19:34] <glitch_> sudo service lightdm stop... what's that do? is it my answer?
[19:34] <TheSheep> glitch_: you can enable the kill X command
[19:34] <TheSheep> glitch_: with sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[19:34] <glitch_> we dont have many standardized things that work on almost every distro
[19:34] <TheSheep> glitch_: it was disabled because some people tried to set it as a shortcut for something and lost data
[19:35] <TheSheep> (it's alt+gray *)
[19:35] <recon_lap> glitch_: it will stop the desktop service , not sure what you'll be left with though :)
[19:35] <glitch_> there stupid fault, why punish the rest of us?
[19:35] <glitch_> gray *?
[19:36] <WalterN> it might be best to <ctrl><alt><F5> before stopping lightdm
[19:36] <WalterN> or is it ctrl+shift+F5?
[19:36] <WalterN> (I think its alt)
[19:36] <TheSheep> glitch_: on the numpad
[19:36] <glitch_> I would guess it might be best to <ctrl><alt><F5> before stopping lightdm
[19:37] <TheSheep> glitch_: killing the X server is a debugging function that should really not be exposed on user computers unless you ask for it, and it's easy enough to enable
[19:38] <glitch_> it might be best to <ctrl><alt><F2~F6>
[19:38] <glitch_> i did enable it,
[19:38] <glitch_> that's not my question...
[19:39] <glitch_> my queation is from where it leaves me how do i recover my x server?
[19:40] <malv> Is 12.10 stable?
[19:40] <glitch_> when where it leaves me, doesnt take any command I try.
[19:40] <malv> a lot of reviews were saying Ubuntu 12.10 is a mess
[19:42] <knome> malv, xubuntu 12.10 is stable, but if you need to be as stable as possible, keep with 12.04
[19:42] <glitch_> and it's not just for debugging, it's also for gui recovery when your gui crashes or freezes... though typicaly this only happens when debugging
[19:42] <recon_lap> I like LTS, dont like having to get on the Bug treadmill every 6 months
[19:43] <glitch_> *typically
[19:46] <glitch_> have toddlers... afk
[19:53] <Wizard> Purrrr
[20:00] <glitch_> g2g
[20:02] <xubuntu790> Distro stuck on "setting up network" at splash
[20:05] <nantou> how do I execute a .bin from the terminal?
[20:06] <nantou> DRAE.bin is the name
[20:07] <knome> follow the instructions from the site you downloaded it.
[20:17] <Jayneil> Hi, I am not able to get hdmi working properly wit xubuntu 12.04. when I connect my laptop to an external hdmi tv (hdmi tv is in 1080p res while laptop is in def. res), certain portion on the right hand side of my laptop is clipped
[20:18] <Jayneil> also in on the hdmi tv, there are two wallpapers instead of one. Its like the same wallpaper is inside that wallpaper.. one is big and other is small. its pretty annoying
[20:18] <Jayneil> i even used anandr but even that does not solve the problem
[20:18] <Jayneil> so any ideas how to solve this issue..?
[20:18] <knome> Jayneil, what does 'xrandr' on terminal say? please use !pastebin
[20:20] <Jayneil> just a min..
[20:22] <Jayneil> http://pastebin.com/0yQhyDXz
[20:23] <nantou> what do you suggest me to start searching for the of a dictionary to add it to goldendict?
[20:23] <knome> Jayneil, what does 'xrandr --output HDMI1 --primary' do?
[20:26] <Jayneil> no change
[20:26] <Jayneil> the problem is still there..
[20:27] <knome> Jayneil, what if you add '--auto' to the end?
[20:28] <Jayneil> the problem is only with the desktop wallpaper on hdmi tv
[20:28] <Jayneil> rest everything is fine
[20:28] <Jayneil> also on laptop screen, certain portion is clipped near the right hand side
[20:28] <knome> yeah, i think this is about the other screen being the primary
[20:29] <knome> which is physically the left hand side monitor?
[20:29] <knome> or is that relevant?
[20:29] <Jayneil> just to clarify i am not looking to extend my laptop screen, i just want to clone it exactly on the hdmi tv
[20:30] <Jayneil> u want me to put 'auto' instead of primary ?
[20:31] <knome> Jayneil, right, you want cloning. anyway, try --auto in addition to --primary
[20:32] <Jayneil> 'xrandr --output HDMI1 --auto --primary' had no effect
[20:32] <knome> Jayneil, do you want to use the whole resolution on the HDMI output, or just duplicate the laptop screen?
[20:33] <knome> Jayneil, i mean, in the first case, you obviously can't do that, because your laptop monitor doesn't support that mode
[20:33] <Jayneil> I want the whole res on the hdmi screen
[20:34] <Jayneil> so u are saying i need a 1080p screen laptop for it to work?
[20:34] <knome> Jayneil, i'm saying that if you want to use the 1920x1080 resolution, you can't mirror it as is as your laptop screen doesn't support that
[20:35] <Jayneil> i tried making the res. of hdmi tv same as the laptop but then it starts looking ugly
[20:35] <Jayneil> ok
[20:35] <Jayneil> so what should i do..?
[20:35] <Jayneil> because if i go any higher than 1366x768 on my hdmi tv, stuff starts getting clipped on my laptop screen
[20:36] <knome> Jayneil, you can either extend the desktop, so that the screens are virtually set next to each other, or simply use the lower resolution
[20:37] <knome> Jayneil, but there's no way to mirror the 1920x1080 mode for both, since your hardware doesn't support that
[20:37] <Jayneil> this is wierd
[20:37] <knome> Jayneil, what do you mean?
[20:38] <Jayneil> i had another hp laptop before with 15.6 inch resolution and not full hd screen, i had ubuntu on it.. it would directly clone the screen on my hdmi screen
[20:38] <Jayneil> and nothing would get clipped
[20:38] <knome> Jayneil, i'm wondering what might be wrong too; i have the exact same setup here and it's working
[20:38] <knome> Jayneil, well, i'm not using it like that right now, but it works
[20:39] <xubuntu274> ...
[20:39] <knome> xubuntu274, ?
[20:39] <Jayneil> so maybe upgrading to xubuntu 12.10 will solve it..?
[20:39] <xubuntu274> how did you guys get rid of the duplicate icons on the desktop?
[20:39] <xubuntu274> on 12.10.
[20:40] <knome> Jayneil, mm, no, but as i said, you have two options; to mirror the screen with the lower resolution or "extend" the screen virtually
[20:41] <knome> Jayneil, do you want me to go through either, or one of those?
[20:41] <knome> either or both :)
[20:41] <xubuntu274> what is his problem again?
[20:42] <xubuntu274> he wants to have the same display resolution on both his computer screen and on a external monitor?
[20:44] <xubuntu274> bye
[20:48] <Jayneil> knome thanks a lot for all your help. no its cool. I am going to stick with the option of mirroring the screen with lower resolution. thanks a lot once again..
[20:48] <Jayneil> i really appreciate it
[20:48] <knome> Jayneil, no problem - enjoy :)
[20:48] <knome> (you made me find a dead hdmi cable too, so thanks ;))
[20:51] <Jayneil> :-)
[21:03] <TheGrandmother> Hey dudes!
[21:04] <TheGrandmother> I have a question that i have been googling like an idiot but not been able to find a good answer to:
[21:05] <TheGrandmother> My boot-up time is longer that it should be so i cheked the log and it fails to start OSS
[21:06] <TheGrandmother> im not using OSS at all so im trying to find a way of to not start it at boot
[21:06] <TheGrandmother> but i cant semm to find the propper module and im not really shure how to stop
[21:37] <MrNaz> when installing apache2 and php, what user does the web server run as?
[21:42] <TheSheep> MrNaz: www:www
[21:42] <MrNaz> thanks, but it appears to be www-data
[21:42] <MrNaz> at least... that's what user the apache2 process is running is
[21:42] <MrNaz> as*
[21:43] <TheSheep> right, sorry
[21:43] <TheSheep> www-data
[21:43] <TheSheep> bad memory :)
[21:45] <diegomanule> hello there!!
[22:21] <knoppies> Hi, I am running Xubuntu12.04. I just logged into OpenBox to test something, and now when I log back into XFCE my transparencies don't work. I've tried xfwm4 --replace with no luck. Im assuming it is either a driver or config issue. Any suggestions?
[22:31] <knoppies> ok running compiz --replace fixes it. So it must be a problem with xfwm4 or one of its configs.
[22:31] <knoppies> I've forgotten how good compiz is.
[22:34] <knoppies> wow this channel is quiet.
[22:39] <nantou> is 12.10 already released?
[22:41] <Unit193> Yep, been out a bit.
[22:42] <nantou> should I upgrade?
[22:45] <Unit193> Up to you.
[23:06] <unheeding> do it
[23:06] <unheeding> you know you want to