[00:44] barry: actual dictionary hash ordering build-failure: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-rebuilds/+archive/py3.3/+build/3929037 === morphis|away is now known as morphis === morphis is now known as morphis|away [04:03] Good morning [04:16] cjwatson: congratulations and thanks for setting up the -proposed stuff! it's great to see this in action at last [04:58] apw: I subscribed you to bug 1070427, I asked a question about the kernel header provides/depends; that seems to break some cases ATM [04:58] Launchpad bug 1070427 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "fails to build due to missing kernel headers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1070427 [05:02] xnox: Is your python3 transition tracker updating? I see uploads from yesterday that aren't reflected. === mitya57_ is now known as mitya57 [05:43] xnox: How goes cmake? pykde4 is now waiting on it. [06:57] good morning [07:05] hallo devs, i'm porting gnome-sound-recorder to gstreamer-1.0 and gtk3. My repository based on gnome-media with removed all deprecated parts. you can find it here https://gitorious.org/gsr/gnome-recorder/commits/master [07:05] my question, do it make sense to target it for 13.04? === smb` is now known as smb [08:03] barry: I took the liberty to upload the fix for #846044 now that its part of the upstream git, just fyi === mcclurmc_away is now known as mcclurmc === doko_ is now known as doko [10:08] I am trying to write a preinst script for a package that supports the 'backup' functionality. I think I have this working but as far as I can tell only the installer supports the backup feature. Is there any commandline mode for dpkg which I can use to test my script behaves correctly? === sil2100_ is now known as sil2100 === yofel_ is now known as yofel === _salem is now known as salem_ === morphis|away is now known as morphis === cpg is now known as cpg|away === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [12:11] @pilot in === udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Ubuntu 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) released! | Archive: Frozen | Dev' of Ubuntu (not support or app devel) | build failures -> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ | #ubuntu for support and dicussion of hardy -> quantal | #ubuntu-app-devel for app development on Ubuntu http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patch Pilots: infinity, apw [12:14] * dholbach hugs infinity [12:30] Sweetshark, when do you plan the first libreoffice upload? === morphis is now known as morphis|away === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [12:51] Hello, I have a question about ufw. [12:51] Where can I find the default rules profile of ufw? === attente_zzz is now known as attente [13:05] mdeslaur: can you maybe tell me, which default rules profile ufw uses? [13:06] Pjotr: jdstrand ^ [13:06] Pjotr: look in /etc/ufw/*rules. you can also do 'sudo ufw show raw' [13:06] (if it is enabled) [13:11] jdstrand: that doesn't show a lot of rules... Is the default profile secure enough for the average home user, or do you advise adding extra rules? [13:11] Pjotr: it is default deny. It is recommended for a home user, yes [13:13] jdstrand: would ufw with the default profile negatively affect samba or torrents? [13:13] Pjotr: the basic idea is that it is default deny for incoming. default allow with connection tracking for outgoing. it allows for things like dhcp and ping. it is a reasonable default but can be adjusted for your requirements [13:14] Pjotr: as a samba client, it shouldn't in recent releases. you would be able to fetch torrents, you'd have to open up a port to serve torrents [13:15] (you'd also have to open a port to serve clients) === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [13:17] jdstrand: thanks for the information.... :-) For now, this answers my questions about ufw. [13:18] np [13:19] jml: been trying undistract-me, installed from PPA... but it does not seem to trigger. Only works once I do . /usr/share/undistract-me/long-running.bash && notify_when_long_running_commands_finish_install [13:20] ttx: yeah. I've noticed that recently too [13:20] ttx: I could swear it worked befoe [13:20] jml: I believe you ;) [13:20] only half as fun if it doesn't work though :P [13:20] ttx: manually running '. /etc/profile.d/undistract-me.sh' works for me also [13:21] ttx: I suspect it's due to some weird login shell interaction [13:22] jml: probably in the [ -z "$BASH_VERSION" -o -z "$PS1" -o -n "$last_command_started_cache" ] test [13:23] perhaps [13:23] dmesg [13:23] oops [13:26] jamespage, ping [13:26] doko, pong [13:32] jml: can't see anything obvious, let me know if you find the solution :) [13:32] ttx: will do. === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [13:51] barry, xnox: in the py3.3 test rebuild are about ~200 packages, slangasek identified ~500 which might be affected. there's a small difference [13:52] doko: 500 _binary_ packages that slangasek identified. [13:52] ok, so once boost is fixed, we should be ready to change the default? [13:53] doko: more or less. (boost and it's python3-like rdeps) [13:53] python-oauthlib is pretty important, but i'll look at that (unless a fix is already uploaded but not in the ppa yet) [13:54] it needn't block the change though [13:54] barry: testsuite failures for pure-python modules do not block us to switch default. [13:54] barry: as e.g. python-oauthlib is installable with python3.3 as default. [13:54] has anyone looked at ubiquity? [13:54] doko: do you have python3-defaults arch:all -> arch:any done? [13:54] barry: local build is fine. [13:55] it only fails on amd64 [13:55] barry: ppa build "got killed" in the logs [13:56] hung for 150m apparently [13:56] in any case, doko i think we should do it [13:58] xnox, yes, will remove the header symlink again [13:59] doko: ack. [14:00] barry, xnox: ok, then I'll wait for the boost builds to succeed, and the make 3.3 the default (which might be tomorrow) [14:15] is the "raring" part of the archive private on purpose? [14:16] tsdgeos: what do you mean? [14:17] micahg: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring exists but gives 403 [14:17] that's what i mean [14:17] wfm [14:17] does it? [14:18] yep [14:18] wfm too [14:18] you guys in copenhagen? [14:19] not yet [14:19] well, i'm blaming the network somehow [14:19] does not work from here, but works in a server i have somehere else [14:19] * yofel isn't going [14:19] and it works for you [14:19] so obviously not a problem in the server [14:25] Hello all. Is there any way to figure out which process handles particular keyboard shortcut? [14:27] I'm going to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1064345 myself, but have virtually no clue where to start from. [14:27] Launchpad bug 1064345 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Inconsistent behavior for some keyboard shortcuts: user is able to bind them, but pressing them does nothing" [Undecided,New] === mcclurmc is now known as mcclurmc_away === mterry is now known as mterry2 === mterry_ is now known as mterry [14:55] doko: ASAP, which means once I get all 3.7 deps in place. [15:04] Is there any frontend to debconf I can use to test the 'backup' feature? I've only seen this working in the installer. [15:11] pitti: is there an easy way to test an apport hook? It refuses to even --save against my test package because it is "not an official Ubuntu package" [15:12] I haven't managed to find an option to do this anywhere, and there isn't any discussion of hook testing in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport/DeveloperHowTo :-( [15:22] xnox: i think it's still worth having a discussion on 3.3/3.4. the actual decision will probably be a rubberstamp, but in the past such sessions have been very good at bringing up collateral issues to think about [15:23] barry: well currently it's scheduled in a strange place: clashes with building arm images, rapid archive bringup and a few other cool sessions for me =) [15:24] xnox: complain to your track chair :) [15:24] xnox: or make your participation essential and let the scheduler sort it out [15:25] * barry now goes to check his own schedule [15:25] barry: actually that does nothing. you need to as track chair to special mark somebody "essential" in the summit. === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [15:26] I don't know that it does absolutely nothing [15:26] but it's not a hard requirement like it appears [15:26] xnox: right, are you sure it has *no* effect? [15:27] all I know for sure is that there's an additional knob now [15:28] slangasek: can you please accept this one for uds-r sprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-r-upload-intermediary [15:28] slangasek: there is a session, but summit doesn't "know" the blueprint link. [15:29] although it's kind of done ?! [15:29] xnox: "accept" it? That blueprint isn't marked as proposed for uds-r [15:29] probably because cjwatson doesn't think we need to discuss it? :) [15:29] slangasek: I guess I got confused why it's linked from [15:30] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/meeting/21333/archive-maintenance-software-hacking/ [15:30] ahh, the url is there just as a reference [15:31] slangasek: this blueprint is still on the schedule http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/meeting/21074/foundations-r-landscape-fde/ [15:31] slangasek: but it was rejected from uds-r [15:32] * xnox twiddled the "subscriber vs essential" and I'll look how that will affect the scheduler next time it reruns ;-) [15:36] hmm, yeah, quite a number of conflicts [15:36] pitti: I found my answer by digging in the code. I can set APPORT_DISABLE_DISTRO_CHECK in the environment [15:37] SpamapS, jamespage, adam_g: FYI ^^ === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [15:37] rbasak, nice [15:39] dagoaty: pretty much any old debconf frontend, including the default of "dialog", supports backup if your script says "db_capb backup". It is not at all installer-specific. [16:00] cjwatson: Odd, I only seem to get an OK prompt with dialog. [16:02] cjwatson: I even tried the example code at http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html#AEN217 with no success [16:04] what's w/ using sftp to upload to a ppa..? docs indicate using: incoming = ~sfrost//ubuntu, but I'm getting an error that launchpad couldn't find a PPA named 'postgis' (even tho I see it on the website..) [16:06] Snow-Man: is that an email error? There's a known bug that the email error reports for upload failures name a random PPA that isn't yours [16:06] Snow-Man: (but in that case the error might still be valid - it happens to me if I use the wrong path) [16:07] rbasak: well, yes, I see the random PPA name, but in the body of the email it's saying "Could not find a PPA named 'postgis' for 'sfrost'.", even though when I go to: https://launchpad.net/~sfrost/+archive/ppa it says "postgis" at the top [16:08] * Snow-Man randomly tries stuff === morphis|away is now known as morphis [16:12] well, that's cute [16:12] Source/binary (i.e. mixed) uploads are not allowed. [16:12] Why there is no GUI option to disable advertising banner in software center? [16:12] missed *that* in the docs.. === TraumDieb is now known as DreamThief [16:20] I've got an upstart task that simply won't start. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1307508/ [16:20] all the parts of the script run fine, put it in a task, fails [16:24] ppetraki: do you have a /var/log/upstart/opengrok-index.log? [16:25] slangasek, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1307525/ [16:25] slangasek, but it all runs fine from the shell [16:26] ppetraki: chances are there's something different in the upstart environment (which is mostly a blank slate) vs. the shell environment that makes the difference [16:27] slangasek, so im sourcing a bash script, and then calling the funcs, is that supported? [16:27] ppetraki: oh, for one thing when you're sourcing that script at the commandline it's sourced by bash, and when you're running an upstart job the shell is /bin/sh == ash [16:27] that's got to be it [16:27] slangasek, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1307536/ confirmed [16:28] ppetraki: yeah, so I think you want to put your script into a separate file with an explicit #!/bin/bash, and then put 'exec myscript' in the upstart job [16:28] slangasek, got it, thanks === bjaanes_ is now known as bjaanes [17:14] Laney: you say you were seeing conflicts for sessions you were marked as 'participation essential' on? Can you give me an example? [17:15] Laney: the scheduler seems to be doing an adequate job of warning me if p.e. subscribers have conflicts [17:17] slangasek: I don't think I have conflicts like that, just ones where I subscribed non-essential [17:17] should I expect doing that to influence the scheduler at all? [17:17] Laney: ok - expected behavior :) [17:17] perhaps I'll have to upgrade some then [17:18] yes, that's what the flag is there for! :-) [17:18] slangasek: also, how come https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-r-future-release-brainstorming got changed to declined? [17:19] Laney: we believe it's covered by the combination of the release-schedule session and the quantal-feedback session [17:20] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/meeting/21405/foundations-r-schedule/ + http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/meeting/21047/foundations-r-prior-release-feedback/ [17:21] well, not if the latter is entirely backwards looking [17:22] Laney: having an entirely backwards-looking session that doesn't result in actions for the future would not be a productive use of time :) [17:22] are there specific things you think are not covered in the other two sessions, that would warrant a third? [17:23] I'll just distribute the topics from the whiteboard [18:20] c [18:20] erp === attente is now known as attente_zzz === morphis is now known as morphis|away === attente_zzz is now known as attente === cpg|away is now known as cpg === cpg is now known as cpg|away === cpg|away is now known as cpg === salem_ is now known as _salem === TJ- is now known as mooc-bot [22:28] /query barry [22:29] whoops [22:29] hi barry :) === _TJ_ is now known as TJ- === attente is now known as attente_zzz === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [23:36] fgrep changed?! http://paste.ubuntu.com/1308437/ === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha