| darkxst | jbicha, what are your thoughts on the packagekit stuff? i.e. should we fix it or just revert to standard ubuntu update stack | 02:41 |
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| jbicha | well like I said for bug 1071008 I'm not sure about how fix the updates problem yet | 02:44 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1071008 in ubuntu-gnome-meta (Ubuntu) "Update Integration" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1071008 | 02:44 |
| jbicha | Wheezy is shipping gpk by default too though | 02:44 |
| darkxst | I think can fix the automatic updates, but not sure about dist upgrades | 02:45 |
| jbicha | yeah I didn't know a good way to test dist-upgrades until raring got going | 02:45 |
| darkxst | I think we can't do dist-upgrades at all until we are an official flavour though | 02:46 |
| jbicha | we could have people upgrade from the command line or we could include update-manager | 02:46 |
| jbicha | we need update-notifier for apport to work properly but unfortunately update-notifier depends on update-manager in quantal | 02:47 |
| darkxst | anyway I think gnome-software-manager is pretty hopeless | 02:47 |
| jbicha | I'd prefer to use GNOME's tools if they work close enough | 02:47 |
| jbicha | I've got a patch for https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682696 but that's a raring fix | 02:48 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 682696 in general "Add keywords for better discoverability" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 02:48 |
| jbicha | people don't read every line in the release notes and can't figure out how to install updates | 02:49 |
| darkxst | well people don't read until they have a problem, and by then they have probably forgotten about the release notes | 02:50 |
| jbicha | gnome-packagekit is in "core GNOME" so we kinda have to ship it http://git.gnome.org/browse/jhbuild/plain/modulesets/gnome-suites-core-3.6.modules | 02:51 |
| jbicha | but then again so is Epiphany and many GNOME distros don't include it by default | 02:52 |
| darkxst | but that is the dbus stuff | 02:53 |
| darkxst | (gnome-packagekit) | 02:53 |
| jbicha | the way I see it, if something is a 50/50 decision then we'll go with the GNOME choice | 02:53 |
| jbicha | but I'm not the only one who decides the direction of this project | 02:54 |
| darkxst | ubuntu patch g-c-c with a hard link to update manager | 02:55 |
| darkxst | and I havent looked at the source, but pretty certain software properties is hardcoded against update-manger | 02:56 |
| jbicha | I think the g-c-c patch is only for the Details panel but I think it's rather uncommon that people look there for software updates | 02:57 |
| jbicha | we had to include software properties for quantal because that's where Additional Drivers moved, but gpk has its own config dialog | 02:57 |
| darkxst | gpk-prefs on ubuntu has no update tab | 02:58 |
| jbicha | we probably need to get update-notifier to Ubuntu GNOME users on quantal | 02:59 |
| jbicha | I don't know what the side effects of that would be | 03:00 |
| darkxst | gpk-prefs is also set to NoDisplay also | 03:00 |
| jbicha | yeah, I'm not so sure that those changes were a good idea http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-packagekit/commit/?id=3c7585 | 03:01 |
| jbicha | it definitely was bad without adding the keywords "breadcrumbs" so that people would know where stuff went | 03:01 |
| darkxst | gpk-prefs, not gpk-update-viewer | 03:02 |
| jbicha | yeah, that was the next commit | 03:02 |
| jbicha | maybe Debian will revert the NoDisplay changes and then we can just sync from Debian... | 03:09 |
| darkxst | how about we swap out gnome-update-viewer with update-manager | 03:10 |
| darkxst | and a small patch against gnome-software-manager menu to launch update-manager instead | 03:11 |
| jbicha | we could add a dependency on update-manager to ubuntu-gnome-desktop for quantal | 03:11 |
| jbicha | no I don't want to patch that | 03:11 |
| darkxst | well its better than having duplicated prefs tools | 03:12 |
| darkxst | so far we have GOA/UOA, software-prefs/gpk-prefs | 03:13 |
| darkxst | and I suppose there could be others | 03:13 |
| jbicha | I don't want to patch that for quantal because I'm not convinced update-manager is what we want to ship for raring or sparky | 03:13 |
| darkxst | and I don't want to see what happens when we semi-invent our own dist-upgrade process | 03:15 |
| jbicha | do-release-upgrade works fine | 03:15 |
| jbicha | update-notifier might take care of that; I need to look into splitting update-notifier away from update-manager | 03:16 |
| jbicha | so the updater is one question; the software installer is the other | 03:20 |
| darkxst | yeh, they are basically independant from my quick look | 03:21 |
| jbicha | gpk is better than I remember it being; and someday they're supposed to be doing their fancy overhaul to make it more directly competitive with USC | 03:21 |
| darkxst | really? I nearly cry every time I have to use it | 03:21 |
| jbicha | I think Synaptic is out of the question; we should stick with USC or Software | 03:22 |
| darkxst | I would probably take aptitude or even dselect over the gpk one | 03:22 |
| darkxst | USC will never *fit* in a gnome-ish distro | 03:23 |
| jbicha | but think, if you improve gpk then you help virtually every GNOME distro | 03:23 |
| darkxst | not me, programmers don't make good UI's last time I checked | 03:24 |
| jbicha | USC includes screenshots, ratings and reviews, paid app support, and even support for -backports | 03:25 |
| darkxst | yeh I think USC is awesome for end (non-technical) users, but the only time I use it is to sync package lists to U1 | 03:26 |
| darkxst | oh and the odd humble bundle | 03:26 |
| darkxst | I suppose we could re-skin it, to fit. if/when we have a design team atleast.. | 03:27 |
| jbicha | USC has got too much attention from the designers though, custom widgets & webkit | 03:28 |
| darkxst | well I dont know what designers do | 03:29 |
| jbicha | at least it's not as bad as the Ubuntu One design :) | 03:30 |
| jbicha | I filed some specific design bugs for U1 right after the Qt switch that have been basically ignored | 03:31 |
| darkxst | yeh its pretty bad, but I am mostly dependant on dropbox here... | 03:33 |
| darkxst | and I gave up submitting patches against core ubuntu stuff... | 03:34 |
| darkxst | trivial bug fixes would just be ignored or otherwise marked invalid | 03:35 |
| darkxst | everaldo, how did you go with the 'participating' article? | 04:43 |
| everaldo | darkxst, hey :) | 04:47 |
| darkxst | hey | 04:47 |
| everaldo | darkxst, writing in my language... | 04:47 |
| everaldo | I think that I will have it on english tomorow night | 04:47 |
| everaldo | I mean, 18 hours from now ;-) | 04:47 |
| darkxst | haha ok, I dont understand your language! | 04:48 |
| everaldo | to be honest, most people here don't understand a "good" portuguese too :-) | 04:48 |
| everaldo | darkxst, do we have a place and a domain if we found someone to make us a website? | 04:50 |
| darkxst | well we have http://gnomebuntu.org/ | 04:50 |
| darkxst | not sure we can really use that domain though | 04:51 |
| darkxst | might have to register something else (gnome don't want us to mash their trademarks) | 04:51 |
| everaldo | darkxst, they explicity told us that? | 04:52 |
| darkxst | everaldo, yes | 04:52 |
| everaldo | oh, did not know that | 04:52 |
| darkxst | well they said would need board approval, not actually sure if we asked for that | 04:53 |
| everaldo | I man, my understand of their guidelines is that we can use "gnome" if we want to spread gnome | 04:53 |
| everaldo | so, maybe we can ask then | 04:53 |
| darkxst | yeh we can use gnome | 04:53 |
| darkxst | but not mashed words like gnomebuntu | 04:53 |
| darkxst | gnome <space> ubuntu | 04:54 |
| darkxst | is ok, I believe | 04:54 |
| everaldo | did you think that gubuntu is bad just because theres goobuntu ? | 04:54 |
| everaldo | I mean, it is just a internal google version | 04:54 |
| everaldo | that nobody outside of Google uses | 04:54 |
| darkxst | lol, nobody outside of google even knows about | 04:55 |
| darkxst | Gubuntu would be the obvious chouce | 04:55 |
| darkxst | but that said I do like ubuntu GNOME edition | 04:55 |
| everaldo | I really like the idea of use gubuntu | 04:55 |
| everaldo | and we don't even need to care about gnome trademarks | 04:56 |
| darkxst | yeh I don't really get the whole fuss over that | 04:57 |
| darkxst | i would thing Gubuntu be pronoucned with a hard G | 04:57 |
| darkxst | Goobuntu with a soft G | 04:57 |
| everaldo | exactly | 04:58 |
| everaldo | and the owner of gubuntu.org is sakalsiz@gmail.com | 04:58 |
| darkxst | who is that? | 04:59 |
| everaldo | don't know but seaching on google looks to be a postgres/debian/python guy | 04:59 |
| everaldo | so, we will probably can get success to have his domain | 05:00 |
| everaldo | Created On:06-Nov-2010 12:30:01 UTC | 05:00 |
| everaldo | Last Updated On:31-Oct-2011 22:28:55 UTC | 05:00 |
| everaldo | Expiration Date:06-Nov-2012 12:30:01 UTC | 05:00 |
| everaldo | and he is not using it | 05:00 |
| everaldo | let me send him a mail | 05:00 |
| darkxst | lol, I have a bad focus bug again... can really check much! | 05:01 |
| everaldo | our bug man! | 05:02 |
| everaldo | bugman...that sounds nice | 05:02 |
| darkxst | lol, no one will want a distro with 'bug' in the name | 05:03 |
| everaldo | yeah, and it also looks like a porn actor name :( | 05:03 |
| everaldo | darkxst, is this ok? | 05:05 |
| everaldo | "My name is Everaldo and I am one of the guys working on GNOME based variation of Ubuntu. We just want to know if you are willing to provide us the domain gubuntu.org and in which terms." | 05:05 |
| darkxst | everaldo, I would wait until we decide if we actually want it! | 05:07 |
| everaldo | darkxst, we are just asking | 05:07 |
| everaldo | it is much better to know before decide right? | 05:08 |
| darkxst | but at this point we are not actually going to use gubuntu, perhaps we should contact google! | 05:08 |
| everaldo | humm | 05:09 |
| everaldo | ubuntu-ge.org (maybe gnome edition) | 05:09 |
| everaldo | the owner is... Canonical :) | 05:09 |
| everaldo | I like how GNOME Edition sounds | 05:10 |
| darkxst | but I have no contacts a google apart from a few guts that work in maps at Sydney | 05:10 |
| darkxst | s/guts/guys/ | 05:10 |
| everaldo | darkxst, ask then | 05:10 |
| everaldo | them | 05:10 |
| darkxst | they won't be able to help | 05:10 |
| everaldo | Domain ID:D105610408-LROR | 05:11 |
| everaldo | Domain Name:UBUNTU-GE.ORG | 05:11 |
| everaldo | Created On:21-Jan-2005 12:57:38 UTC | 05:11 |
| everaldo | Last Updated On:24-May-2011 00:26:11 UTC | 05:11 |
| everaldo | Expiration Date:21-Jan-2014 12:57:38 UTC | 05:11 |
| darkxst | perhaps thats a country code | 05:11 |
| darkxst | ??? | 05:11 |
| everaldo | don't know | 05:12 |
| everaldo | jbicha just sugested "Ubuntu GNOME Edition" | 05:12 |
| everaldo | looks nice... but again we need to use "GNOME" word | 05:12 |
| darkxst | that is fine I believe | 05:13 |
| darkxst | GE Georgia (Republic Of) | 05:13 |
| everaldo | hatochna.org is available | 05:20 |
| everaldo | HArd TO CHoose a NAme | 05:21 |
| everaldo | :D | 05:21 |
| darkxst | I think we have to have buntu if we want to be official flavour | 05:22 |
| everaldo | yes, I was just kiding | 05:22 |
| everaldo | fubunutu, nubuntu and mubuntu... all registered | 05:24 |
| everaldo | mubuntu owner is also canonical | 05:24 |
| everaldo | obuntu.org is available | 05:25 |
| everaldo | gnOme | 05:25 |
| everaldo | darkxst, whats about obuntu.org ? | 05:26 |
| darkxst | seems a bit unrelated | 05:26 |
| everaldo | well, the only really related good name is gubuntu :( | 05:27 |
| everaldo | gnubuntu is also nice but... you know... gnu | 05:29 |
| darkxst | yeh like, we need stallman on our case! | 05:29 |
| darkxst | uge.org | 05:31 |
| everaldo | I like it | 05:32 |
| everaldo | but is already registered | 05:32 |
| everaldo | and it is used since 2002 | 05:32 |
| everaldo | oh, "this domain is for sale" | 05:32 |
| everaldo | 35% off :) | 05:32 |
| darkxst | 35% off what? some rip off scammer | 05:33 |
| darkxst | ? | 05:33 |
| everaldo | hahaha | 05:34 |
| everaldo | Buy this great domain today for only $9,888.00 (USD)!.. | 05:34 |
| darkxst | seems like uge.fm or uge.net.au | 05:36 |
| darkxst | is all thats available? | 05:36 |
| everaldo | yes | 05:37 |
| everaldo | ok, go sleep a little | 05:38 |
| darkxst | net au probably has rules | 05:38 |
| everaldo | be back later | 05:38 |
| darkxst | atleast had to provide an ABN for org.au adresses | 05:38 |
| everaldo | yes | 05:38 |
| everaldo | bye | 05:39 |
| darkxst | I suppose canoconical might have a ABN | 05:39 |
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