| popey | Ugh! | 06:47 |
|---|---|---|
| knightwise | morning everyone | 07:44 |
| * popey pokes AlanBell with bug 1061229 | 07:48 | |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 1061229 in Ayatana Design "Alt-Tab - alt+grave (key above tab) takes you back to where you started, not to the next window" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1061229 | 07:48 |
| popey | AlanBell, if it's fixed could you tag it verification-done | 07:48 |
| knightwise | hey popey i did a reinstall of 12.04 , left OUT the proprietary drivers and am now rocking a dual 24 inch setup :) | 07:49 |
| * knightwise is pleased | 07:49 | |
| popey | nice | 07:49 |
| knightwise | I do have a question : is there any chance the "webbapp integration" might get backported from 12.10 to 12.04 ? | 07:50 |
| popey | maybe in the future | 07:51 |
| knightwise | ok ; | 07:52 |
| knightwise | i'll probably go to 12.10 when the .1 release is out | 07:52 |
| * knightwise is getting a dull ubuntu user that needs reliability | 07:52 | |
| popey | there wont be a 12.10.1 | 07:54 |
| popey | we don't do point releases for non-LTS versions | 07:54 |
| popey | we will be putting out some SRUs though | 07:54 |
| popey | first one landed today | 07:54 |
| knightwise | ah k | 07:54 |
| popey | hence me asking AlanBell to verify the stuff is fixed :) | 07:54 |
| knightwise | i just might wait a month or so | 07:54 |
| popey | yeah, there will be another SRU in a month or so | 07:55 |
| popey | or just stick on 12.04 | 07:55 |
| knightwise | whats an SRU again ? | 07:55 |
| knightwise | Small release upgrade ? | 07:55 |
| mattt | sneaky release upgrade | 07:56 |
| knightwise | LOL | 07:57 |
| * AlanBell does an update | 08:01 | |
| popey | stable release upgrade | 08:02 |
| popey | *update | 08:03 |
| knightwise | ah :) | 08:04 |
| AlanBell | popey: not fixed | 08:16 |
| popey | oh? | 08:17 |
| popey | you have -proposed enabled? | 08:18 |
| SuperMatt | morning | 08:18 |
| AlanBell | popey: nope, enabling it now | 08:18 |
| Laney | xnox: how do you cron offlineimap? | 08:23 |
| Laney | I have it in a */5 but every so and then it hangs and stops checking whatever account was in progress at the time until I kill it | 08:23 |
| Laney | "so and then" → "so often" (typing what you hear on the radio ...) | 08:24 |
| AlanBell | popey: fixed \o/ | 08:24 |
| AlanBell | popey: but your carefully timed alt-tab one doesn't appear to be | 08:24 |
| popey | yeah, that ones on its way | 08:25 |
| popey | nex sru i think | 08:25 |
| popey | AlanBell, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1061229 can you tag it verification-done pls? | 08:26 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 1061229 in Ayatana Design "Alt-Tab - alt+grave (key above tab) takes you back to where you started, not to the next window" [Critical,Fix committed] | 08:26 |
| popey | and if you feel like verifying any of the others listed next to unity in quantal, I'll be super happy :) http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html | 08:26 |
| popey | \o/ 2nd breakfast O'clock | 08:27 |
| SuperMatt | I've decided that the first friday after payday should be called fat-friday | 08:28 |
| knightwise | popey: you from the shire ? | 08:30 |
| popey | :) | 08:30 |
| * knightwise looking forward to elevensies | 08:30 | |
| popey | they put out bread rolls, cheese and ham, and fruit | 08:30 |
| knightwise | and have toeclippers the size of garden shears | 08:31 |
| JamesTait | Happy Friday, folks! :) | 08:50 |
| * JamesTait reads scrollback with interest. | 08:57 | |
| JamesTait | Looks like a different bug to the one I metoo'd though. | 09:00 |
| bigcalm | Zort | 09:13 |
| daubers | So what're we going to do tonight bigcalm | 09:16 |
| bigcalm | Same thing we do every night, daubers. Try to take over the world! | 09:16 |
| bigcalm | Though that was a bit of a role reversal if I enter saying Zort or Narf | 09:17 |
| daubers | p | 09:17 |
| daubers | :p | 09:17 |
| bigcalm | I had a dream where I bought a Nokia handset because it was the best one using Android | 09:23 |
| bigcalm | I have a rather confused subconscious | 09:23 |
| einonm | bigcalm: well known fact that dreams play out your fears and aspirations. Which one of those was your dream? :P | 09:26 |
| bigcalm | Haha | 09:27 |
| bigcalm | Well, Nokia made good hardware and I like using Android. Maybe it was hope | 09:27 |
| BigRedS | Anyone know off the top of their head how much a rhel license for a singe (dual-cored) server would cost? I need to impress upon someone the advantages of not doing that :) | 09:33 |
| bigcalm | $LOTS | 09:34 |
| BigRedS | Oh. RH are quite open about it. $350/y | 09:34 |
| bigcalm | Which looks like slots | 09:34 |
| BigRedS | yeah, that's what I first read there, wondered why they'd care how many slots there were in it... | 09:34 |
| BigRedS | :) | 09:34 |
| bigcalm | I wonder if I can sneak in 'lut' as a variable name - I am a bad man | 09:34 |
| BigRedS | https://www.redhat.com/wapps/store/catalog.html it's not *that* bad | 09:35 |
| BigRedS | hahaha. | 09:35 |
| bigcalm | I have unit and functional tests to write today. Somebody fancy doing it for me while I go back to sleep? | 09:39 |
| Laney | ok | 09:46 |
| Laney | grand? | 09:47 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:52 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 09:53 |
| brobostigon | morning davmor2 | 09:53 |
| knightwise | GAh ! | 10:27 |
| popey | ooh! http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/10/valve-to-launch-steam-linux-beta-at-uds | 10:31 |
| SuperMatt | yup! | 10:31 |
| SuperMatt | so excited about this | 10:31 |
| Laney | nice | 10:32 |
| popey | :) | 10:32 |
| Laney | haven't played TF2 in quite a while | 10:33 |
| Laney | pew pew pew | 10:33 |
| AlanBell | is steam an app store for games or a framework to write games in? | 10:39 |
| SuperMatt | the first one | 10:41 |
| SuperMatt | steamworks in an api | 10:41 |
| SuperMatt | or a framework | 10:42 |
| SuperMatt | whatevs | 10:42 |
| popey | Steam is a shop + drm system | 10:42 |
| popey | if that story is true then they are also porting their game dev framework over | 10:43 |
| popey | AlanBell, turns out that onboard theme was eating the CPU | 10:54 |
| popey | all the gradients on the keyboard were killing it | 10:55 |
| AlanBell | yeah, some can be a bit hungry | 11:09 |
| AlanBell | bug 890221 was filed by me :) | 11:14 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 890221 in Onboard "emboss effect on keycaps slows rendering" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/890221 | 11:14 |
| popey | heh | 11:17 |
| knightwise | Managing a fleet of iPad users is like trying to herd chickens | 11:17 |
| Darael | Quite doable, but requires a little skill? | 11:20 |
| SuperMatt | frustrating to say the least | 11:20 |
| AlanBell | popey: so does the typist theme make sense on a touchscreen? | 11:20 |
| AlanBell | and the model M theme? | 11:20 |
| gebbione | hi i m experiencing strange problems with | 11:21 |
| SuperMatt | typing? | 11:21 |
| SuperMatt | nouns? | 11:21 |
| gebbione | SuperMatt, | 11:21 |
| SuperMatt | sorry, bad joke | 11:21 |
| davmor2 | bunny rabbits with big pointy teeth | 11:21 |
| SuperMatt | I've got something for that | 11:22 |
| SuperMatt | The Holy Handgrenade | 11:22 |
| popey | dunno AlanBell they stole my nexus 7 for QA | 11:22 |
| gebbione | the sound settings ... since loading the loopback module | 11:22 |
| AlanBell | popey: flash the other one! | 11:23 |
| popey | Uh. No. | 11:23 |
| SuperMatt | oh, that's not really my field of expertise | 11:23 |
| Laney | my god | 11:40 |
| Laney | infoworld is a hideous website | 11:40 |
| Laney | oh phippsy :( | 11:40 |
| daubers | infoworld? | 11:41 |
| Laney | http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/why-i-left-my-macbook-chromebook-205705 | 11:41 |
| daubers | oh | 11:48 |
| daubers | yeah | 11:48 |
| shauno | the chromebook terrifies me. that kinda reliance on google is troubling | 11:53 |
| BigRedS | It's just ocurred to me that UDS is probably a bit less beery than fosdem | 12:57 |
| mattt | probably | 12:58 |
| mattt | i remember the first time i went to fosdem, i went to the designated pub the friday of the conference | 12:58 |
| mattt | it must have been around 8 or 9 PM when i got there, and it had the 6 am rave feel to it | 12:58 |
| BigRedS | Haha, the closest I've come to the official fosdem pub is walking sort-of near it and catching a whiff of it... | 13:00 |
| popey | marginally | 13:05 |
| popey | given UDS (for us canonical people) is two weeks | 13:05 |
| popey | and so far I've been out every night | 13:06 |
| popey | BigRedS, you should come to UDS! :) | 13:06 |
| BigRedS | popey: I'm there on Tuesday. But apparently get in relatively late Monday and leave early weds | 13:07 |
| popey | awww | 13:08 |
| popey | poke me when you get here | 13:08 |
| popey | I got a taxi from the airport, was only ~16 quid | 13:08 |
| BigRedS | ah, will do! | 13:08 |
| popey | local money is 10:1 for GBP | 13:08 |
| popey | so exchange is easy to figure out | 13:08 |
| BigRedS | I'll be rich! | 13:08 |
| popey | hah | 13:09 |
| popey | there's a good pizza place in walking distance | 13:09 |
| popey | its like a typical kebab shop with a few tables | 13:09 |
| popey | guy doesn't speak a word of english, makes awesome pizzas, and has plenty of beer in the fridge | 13:10 |
| BigRedS | Sounds perfect! | 13:10 |
| popey | it is, cheap too | 13:10 |
| BigRedS | Just looking at the schedule, there's some round-tables which I guess are discussions. The things that aren't called 'round tables' are they more an update on the status of what's in the title? | 13:11 |
| popey | the round tables are mostly where there is no fixed topic | 13:19 |
| popey | so you can bring anything up | 13:19 |
| popey | *belch* | 13:19 |
| popey | those that aren't round tables have a fixed topic and are participatory, not usually "read only" | 13:19 |
| popey | you are encouraged to join in | 13:19 |
| BigRedS | Ahhh, cool | 13:21 |
| BigRedS | So I can go round proclaiming the Truth of the swap file :) | 13:21 |
| popey | haha | 13:36 |
| SuperMatt | ok, the deja-dup backup thing *really* needs amazon glacier support | 13:41 |
| BigRedS | SuperMatt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/duplicity/+bug/1039511 :) | 13:45 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 1039511 in Duplicity "Support for Amazon Glacier" [Undecided,New] | 13:45 |
| SuperMatt | yeah, I saw that one earlier | 13:45 |
| BigRedS | I really need to re-look at AWS I think. Everything seems to have changed since I last spent a while swearing at it | 13:46 |
| BigRedS | Maybe it's less sweary now | 13:46 |
| SuperMatt | I'm using it for a couple of servers, and maybe file storage | 13:46 |
| SuperMatt | depends how easy it is to upload to glacier | 13:47 |
| Laney | 4h19m to get the train Nottingham-Heathrow on Sunday | 13:50 |
| Laney | 2h plane LHR-CPH | 13:50 |
| AlanBell | LoCo team CDs have arrived | 13:51 |
| SuperMatt | huzzah | 13:53 |
| SuperMatt | now I need to be bothered to send you a stampped addressed envelope | 13:53 |
| AlanBell | http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/ | 13:59 |
| einonm | AlanBell: Is that the 12.10 release? | 14:00 |
| AlanBell | einonm: yes, they just arrived | 14:01 |
| AlanBell | pre-ordered ones have been popped in the post | 14:02 |
| einonm | ah, ok. Saw it on the front of Linux user&developer too, may be tempted to get it with a 'free' mag... :) | 14:03 |
| einonm | ...although most linux mags tend to be about the RasPi these days | 14:03 |
| ali1234 | why do you even want a CD? it's useless in 5 months | 14:05 |
| einonm | To distribute - people love to get something physical when it's 'free' and are more inclinded to try it, over a weblink | 14:06 |
| einonm | I've converted a few people by giving CDs and pendrives, never with a weblink. Always handy to have a few around, for whatever distro | 14:08 |
| einonm | I really like the Linux Format mag disks for that - since they have a bookshelf of free linux books included too, saves me having to provide some support and answer questions. | 14:10 |
| BigRedS | Oh lordy. I'm playing buzzword bingo on tuesday | 14:47 |
| BigRedS | http://uds.ubuntu.com/enterprise-summit/ | 14:48 |
| popey | :) | 14:48 |
| AlanBell | BigRedS: http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/ | 14:48 |
| AlanBell | now with desktop integration \o/ | 14:49 |
| * AlanBell adds hyperscale to the list | 14:49 | |
| BigRedS | there's a ubingo webapp? | 14:51 |
| AlanBell | yeah, any web page can do desktop integration it doesn't have to be a pre-installed script | 14:52 |
| AlanBell | BigRedS: you should get notifications, a launcher icon and a launcher progress bar | 14:54 |
| BigRedS | Oh, so the webpage can offer it? | 14:54 |
| AlanBell | I want to add that to some other, more sensible applications we offer | 14:55 |
| BigRedS | are your customers largely ubuntu on the desktop, too? | 14:55 |
| AlanBell | yes, the webpage can set window.Unity = external.getUnityObject(1); and carry on from there | 14:56 |
| AlanBell | no, our customers are not yet | 14:56 |
| BigRedS | I need to read up on thism, might see if I can wedge it in to some of our internal things | 14:56 |
| BigRedS | Got any good docs? | 14:56 |
| AlanBell | but I want to add webapp stuff to vtiger and openERP so that they work slightly better with Ubuntu | 14:57 |
| AlanBell | so we can push that stuff upstream in open source applications | 14:57 |
| AlanBell | as long as the unity team don't break their API in undocumented ways (like they just did with the messaging menu) | 14:57 |
| AlanBell | no, there are no good docs | 14:57 |
| AlanBell | http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.04/javascript/index.html is bad docs | 14:58 |
| AlanBell | if you read that, then read some source code you can figure it out | 14:58 |
| BigRedS | haha | 15:11 |
| BigRedS | cheers! | 15:12 |
| bigcalm | Anybody care to recommend a headless podcast downloader? | 15:46 |
| Laney | what's a good router (to use with a superhub)? | 15:47 |
| bigcalm | Laney: I currently use a Netgear WNDR3700 | 15:48 |
| Laney | last time I did any router monkeying (some years ago) I used tomato | 15:49 |
| Laney | is that still good? | 15:49 |
| bigcalm | Never used it. I have experience of dd-wrt and open-wrt | 15:49 |
| bigcalm | Currently using open-wrt as it allows me to share my phone's 3g connection to the entire LAN via a USB port - very useful when VirginMedia dies | 15:49 |
| Laney | so that's flashable? | 15:50 |
| bigcalm | http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/start | 15:50 |
| Laney | huh, there's a 48.95 "like new" one | 15:51 |
| Laney | Free One-Day Delivery: Get it Saturday, 27 October. | 15:51 |
| Laney | ♥ | 15:51 |
| davmor2 | Laney: I have a basic tp-link tl841nd with dd-wrt on it and it hasn't missed a beat so far (ie much better than the stock firmware) | 15:54 |
| Azelphur | http://steamcommunity.com/games/221410 people should join this (it's an official group) | 16:04 |
| popey | :) | 16:04 |
| popey | it was ~2400 when I joined | 16:04 |
| popey | growing fast | 16:04 |
| Azelphur | fun, I'm behind | 16:04 |
| Azelphur | is that the application for access? or is that just a group | 16:05 |
| Azelphur | I hope it ain't the access, I've been watching the blog and they didn't announce it :( | 16:05 |
| popey | no idea | 16:05 |
| AlanBell | games are surprisingly popular | 16:07 |
| popey | Azelphur, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/10/valve-to-launch-steam-linux-beta-at-uds | 16:07 |
| popey | no idea if that's true | 16:07 |
| Azelphur | yea, I read that | 16:07 |
| Azelphur | I reckon they will, it makes sense | 16:07 |
| Azelphur | I know they was scheduled for the 15th but they didn't do that for some reason, probably a combination of valve time and wanting to launch at UDS | 16:08 |
| Azelphur | are you going to UDS? | 16:08 |
| bigcalm | Oh that's nice. Thunar can't handle the >> char in the UUPC feed name and so shows an empty dir | 16:16 |
| Venko | So I'm still running 11.10 on this laptop and I'm wondering if it's worth doing a clean install of 12.10 | 16:17 |
| Venko | I've not kept up with Ubuntu development but I've heard some bad stuff on Twitter and Reddit about cloud searching advertisements or something. Would it be worth my time doing a clean install> | 16:18 |
| Laney | you can turn that off | 16:18 |
| Venko | So are there any significant features to make it worth my time backing my home folder up, downloading an iso and upgrading? | 16:21 |
| popey | I'd certainly upgrade to 12.04 at least | 16:23 |
| popey | and then decide if you want to go to 12.10 | 16:23 |
| popey | one of my team is already on 13.04 (for what it's worth) :D | 16:24 |
| MooDoo | hello all | 16:25 |
| Venko | Well won't upgrading break everything? That's my usual experience with upgrade software. I was thinking of just going for a clean install. | 16:28 |
| popey | no | 16:28 |
| Venko | OK should I do a full update of my current packages? (490mb) before running the upgrade tool or will it grab them anyway? | 16:29 |
| Venko | OK well I'm doing that first anyway. It should take quite a while n___n | 16:31 |
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| brobostigon | so, finally, ubuntu on nexus7, entirly replaces android. so no chroot or such. that answers the question. | 17:46 |
| brobostigon | i wont be getting rid of android though, so a dualboot method. would be useful. in my mind. | 17:47 |
| AlanBell | you would be able to return it to stock | 17:50 |
| brobostigon | yes, as i have done several times. already. | 17:50 |
| AlanBell | you *might* be able to run virtualisation on it and run android in that | 17:50 |
| AlanBell | probably not enough ram though | 17:50 |
| brobostigon | agreed. | 17:51 |
| christel | AlanBell: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/parallella-a-supercomputer-for-everyone go give these guys all your money <3 | 17:51 |
| AlanBell | christel: I did | 17:51 |
| christel | oh good :D | 17:51 |
| AlanBell | well, not all the moneys | 17:51 |
| brobostigon | lol | 17:51 |
| AlanBell | I might do a bit more money | 17:51 |
| christel | yah i was just pondering doing a bit more because they are getting fairly close to goal (considering) | 17:51 |
| christel | im pondering how much of a beating i'd get if i wallopped it :s | 17:52 |
| * AlanBell chucks in another $100 | 17:53 | |
| AlanBell | I suspect they will get it, they have had about 70,000 today | 17:53 |
| Azelphur | Does Ubuntu 12.10 have native MTP support yet? | 18:05 |
| AlanBell | Azelphur: it did not work well for me | 18:09 |
| AlanBell | wouldn't sync with more than a small number of tracks | 18:09 |
| AlanBell | had to delete everything on the nexus and sync from empty to get stuff on | 18:10 |
| Azelphur | fun | 18:17 |
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| Flashtek | AlanBell: camera ordered | 21:46 |
| Flashtek | also a 6 D cell maglite | 21:47 |
| Flashtek | for when the undesireables come knocking. | 21:47 |
| Azelphur | http://www.valvesoftware.com/linuxsurvey.php gogogogo | 23:24 |
| brobostigon | nos da everyone, sleep well. | 23:57 |
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