[06:47] Ugh! [07:44] morning everyone [07:48] * popey pokes AlanBell with bug 1061229 [07:48] Launchpad bug 1061229 in Ayatana Design "Alt-Tab - alt+grave (key above tab) takes you back to where you started, not to the next window" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1061229 [07:48] AlanBell, if it's fixed could you tag it verification-done [07:49] hey popey i did a reinstall of 12.04 , left OUT the proprietary drivers and am now rocking a dual 24 inch setup :) [07:49] * knightwise is pleased [07:49] nice [07:50] I do have a question : is there any chance the "webbapp integration" might get backported from 12.10 to 12.04 ? [07:51] maybe in the future [07:52] ok ; [07:52] i'll probably go to 12.10 when the .1 release is out [07:52] * knightwise is getting a dull ubuntu user that needs reliability [07:54] there wont be a 12.10.1 [07:54] we don't do point releases for non-LTS versions [07:54] we will be putting out some SRUs though [07:54] first one landed today [07:54] ah k [07:54] hence me asking AlanBell to verify the stuff is fixed :) [07:54] i just might wait a month or so [07:55] yeah, there will be another SRU in a month or so [07:55] or just stick on 12.04 [07:55] whats an SRU again ? [07:55] Small release upgrade ? [07:56] sneaky release upgrade [07:57] LOL [08:01] * AlanBell does an update [08:02] stable release upgrade [08:03] *update [08:04] ah :) [08:16] popey: not fixed [08:17] oh? [08:18] you have -proposed enabled? [08:18] morning [08:18] popey: nope, enabling it now [08:23] xnox: how do you cron offlineimap? [08:23] I have it in a */5 but every so and then it hangs and stops checking whatever account was in progress at the time until I kill it [08:24] "so and then" → "so often" (typing what you hear on the radio ...) [08:24] popey: fixed \o/ [08:24] popey: but your carefully timed alt-tab one doesn't appear to be [08:25] yeah, that ones on its way [08:25] nex sru i think [08:26] AlanBell, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1061229 can you tag it verification-done pls? [08:26] Ubuntu bug 1061229 in Ayatana Design "Alt-Tab - alt+grave (key above tab) takes you back to where you started, not to the next window" [Critical,Fix committed] [08:26] and if you feel like verifying any of the others listed next to unity in quantal, I'll be super happy :) http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html [08:27] \o/ 2nd breakfast O'clock [08:28] I've decided that the first friday after payday should be called fat-friday [08:30] popey: you from the shire ? [08:30] :) [08:30] * knightwise looking forward to elevensies [08:30] they put out bread rolls, cheese and ham, and fruit [08:31] and have toeclippers the size of garden shears [08:50] Happy Friday, folks! :) [08:57] * JamesTait reads scrollback with interest. [09:00] Looks like a different bug to the one I metoo'd though. [09:13] Zort [09:16] So what're we going to do tonight bigcalm [09:16] Same thing we do every night, daubers. Try to take over the world! [09:17] Though that was a bit of a role reversal if I enter saying Zort or Narf [09:17] p [09:17] :p [09:23] I had a dream where I bought a Nokia handset because it was the best one using Android [09:23] I have a rather confused subconscious [09:26] bigcalm: well known fact that dreams play out your fears and aspirations. Which one of those was your dream? :P [09:27] Haha [09:27] Well, Nokia made good hardware and I like using Android. Maybe it was hope [09:33] Anyone know off the top of their head how much a rhel license for a singe (dual-cored) server would cost? I need to impress upon someone the advantages of not doing that :) [09:34] $LOTS [09:34] Oh. RH are quite open about it. $350/y [09:34] Which looks like slots [09:34] yeah, that's what I first read there, wondered why they'd care how many slots there were in it... [09:34] :) [09:34] I wonder if I can sneak in 'lut' as a variable name - I am a bad man [09:35] https://www.redhat.com/wapps/store/catalog.html it's not *that* bad [09:35] hahaha. [09:39] I have unit and functional tests to write today. Somebody fancy doing it for me while I go back to sleep? [09:46] ok [09:47] grand? [09:52] good morning everyone. [09:53] Morning all [09:53] morning davmor2 [10:27] GAh ! [10:31] ooh! http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/10/valve-to-launch-steam-linux-beta-at-uds [10:31] yup! [10:31] so excited about this [10:32] nice [10:32] :) [10:33] haven't played TF2 in quite a while [10:33] pew pew pew [10:39] is steam an app store for games or a framework to write games in? [10:41] the first one [10:41] steamworks in an api [10:42] or a framework [10:42] whatevs [10:42] Steam is a shop + drm system [10:43] if that story is true then they are also porting their game dev framework over [10:54] AlanBell, turns out that onboard theme was eating the CPU [10:55] all the gradients on the keyboard were killing it [11:09] yeah, some can be a bit hungry [11:14] bug 890221 was filed by me :) [11:14] Launchpad bug 890221 in Onboard "emboss effect on keycaps slows rendering" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/890221 [11:17] heh [11:17] Managing a fleet of iPad users is like trying to herd chickens [11:20] Quite doable, but requires a little skill? [11:20] frustrating to say the least [11:20] popey: so does the typist theme make sense on a touchscreen? [11:20] and the model M theme? [11:21] hi i m experiencing strange problems with [11:21] typing? [11:21] nouns? [11:21] SuperMatt, [11:21] sorry, bad joke [11:21] bunny rabbits with big pointy teeth [11:22] I've got something for that [11:22] The Holy Handgrenade [11:22] dunno AlanBell they stole my nexus 7 for QA [11:22] the sound settings ... since loading the loopback module [11:23] popey: flash the other one! [11:23] Uh. No. [11:23] oh, that's not really my field of expertise [11:40] my god [11:40] infoworld is a hideous website [11:40] oh phippsy :( [11:41] infoworld? [11:41] http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/why-i-left-my-macbook-chromebook-205705 [11:48] oh [11:48] yeah [11:53] the chromebook terrifies me. that kinda reliance on google is troubling [12:57] It's just ocurred to me that UDS is probably a bit less beery than fosdem [12:58] probably [12:58] i remember the first time i went to fosdem, i went to the designated pub the friday of the conference [12:58] it must have been around 8 or 9 PM when i got there, and it had the 6 am rave feel to it [13:00] Haha, the closest I've come to the official fosdem pub is walking sort-of near it and catching a whiff of it... [13:05] marginally [13:05] given UDS (for us canonical people) is two weeks [13:06] and so far I've been out every night [13:06] BigRedS, you should come to UDS! :) [13:07] popey: I'm there on Tuesday. But apparently get in relatively late Monday and leave early weds [13:08] awww [13:08] poke me when you get here [13:08] I got a taxi from the airport, was only ~16 quid [13:08] ah, will do! [13:08] local money is 10:1 for GBP [13:08] so exchange is easy to figure out [13:08] I'll be rich! [13:09] hah [13:09] there's a good pizza place in walking distance [13:09] its like a typical kebab shop with a few tables [13:10] guy doesn't speak a word of english, makes awesome pizzas, and has plenty of beer in the fridge [13:10] Sounds perfect! [13:10] it is, cheap too [13:11] Just looking at the schedule, there's some round-tables which I guess are discussions. The things that aren't called 'round tables' are they more an update on the status of what's in the title? [13:19] the round tables are mostly where there is no fixed topic [13:19] so you can bring anything up [13:19] *belch* [13:19] those that aren't round tables have a fixed topic and are participatory, not usually "read only" [13:19] you are encouraged to join in [13:21] Ahhh, cool [13:21] So I can go round proclaiming the Truth of the swap file :) [13:36] haha [13:41] ok, the deja-dup backup thing *really* needs amazon glacier support [13:45] SuperMatt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/duplicity/+bug/1039511 :) [13:45] Ubuntu bug 1039511 in Duplicity "Support for Amazon Glacier" [Undecided,New] [13:45] yeah, I saw that one earlier [13:46] I really need to re-look at AWS I think. Everything seems to have changed since I last spent a while swearing at it [13:46] Maybe it's less sweary now [13:46] I'm using it for a couple of servers, and maybe file storage [13:47] depends how easy it is to upload to glacier [13:50] 4h19m to get the train Nottingham-Heathrow on Sunday [13:50] 2h plane LHR-CPH [13:51] LoCo team CDs have arrived [13:53] huzzah [13:53] now I need to be bothered to send you a stampped addressed envelope [13:59] http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/ [14:00] AlanBell: Is that the 12.10 release? [14:01] einonm: yes, they just arrived [14:02] pre-ordered ones have been popped in the post [14:03] ah, ok. Saw it on the front of Linux user&developer too, may be tempted to get it with a 'free' mag... :) [14:03] ...although most linux mags tend to be about the RasPi these days [14:05] why do you even want a CD? it's useless in 5 months [14:06] To distribute - people love to get something physical when it's 'free' and are more inclinded to try it, over a weblink [14:08] I've converted a few people by giving CDs and pendrives, never with a weblink. Always handy to have a few around, for whatever distro [14:10] I really like the Linux Format mag disks for that - since they have a bookshelf of free linux books included too, saves me having to provide some support and answer questions. [14:47] Oh lordy. I'm playing buzzword bingo on tuesday [14:48] http://uds.ubuntu.com/enterprise-summit/ [14:48] :) [14:48] BigRedS: http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/ [14:49] now with desktop integration \o/ [14:49] * AlanBell adds hyperscale to the list [14:51] there's a ubingo webapp? [14:52] yeah, any web page can do desktop integration it doesn't have to be a pre-installed script [14:54] BigRedS: you should get notifications, a launcher icon and a launcher progress bar [14:54] Oh, so the webpage can offer it? [14:55] I want to add that to some other, more sensible applications we offer [14:55] are your customers largely ubuntu on the desktop, too? [14:56] yes, the webpage can set window.Unity = external.getUnityObject(1); and carry on from there [14:56] no, our customers are not yet [14:56] I need to read up on thism, might see if I can wedge it in to some of our internal things [14:56] Got any good docs? [14:57] but I want to add webapp stuff to vtiger and openERP so that they work slightly better with Ubuntu [14:57] so we can push that stuff upstream in open source applications [14:57] as long as the unity team don't break their API in undocumented ways (like they just did with the messaging menu) [14:57] no, there are no good docs [14:58] http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.04/javascript/index.html is bad docs [14:58] if you read that, then read some source code you can figure it out [15:11] haha [15:12] cheers! [15:46] Anybody care to recommend a headless podcast downloader? [15:47] what's a good router (to use with a superhub)? [15:48] Laney: I currently use a Netgear WNDR3700 [15:49] last time I did any router monkeying (some years ago) I used tomato [15:49] is that still good? [15:49] Never used it. I have experience of dd-wrt and open-wrt [15:49] Currently using open-wrt as it allows me to share my phone's 3g connection to the entire LAN via a USB port - very useful when VirginMedia dies [15:50] so that's flashable? [15:50] http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/start [15:51] huh, there's a 48.95 "like new" one [15:51] Free One-Day Delivery: Get it Saturday, 27 October. [15:51] ♥ [15:54] Laney: I have a basic tp-link tl841nd with dd-wrt on it and it hasn't missed a beat so far (ie much better than the stock firmware) [16:04] http://steamcommunity.com/games/221410 people should join this (it's an official group) [16:04] :) [16:04] it was ~2400 when I joined [16:04] growing fast [16:04] fun, I'm behind [16:05] is that the application for access? or is that just a group [16:05] I hope it ain't the access, I've been watching the blog and they didn't announce it :( [16:05] no idea [16:07] games are surprisingly popular [16:07] Azelphur, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/10/valve-to-launch-steam-linux-beta-at-uds [16:07] no idea if that's true [16:07] yea, I read that [16:07] I reckon they will, it makes sense [16:08] I know they was scheduled for the 15th but they didn't do that for some reason, probably a combination of valve time and wanting to launch at UDS [16:08] are you going to UDS? [16:16] Oh that's nice. Thunar can't handle the >> char in the UUPC feed name and so shows an empty dir [16:17] So I'm still running 11.10 on this laptop and I'm wondering if it's worth doing a clean install of 12.10 [16:18] I've not kept up with Ubuntu development but I've heard some bad stuff on Twitter and Reddit about cloud searching advertisements or something. Would it be worth my time doing a clean install> [16:18] you can turn that off [16:21] So are there any significant features to make it worth my time backing my home folder up, downloading an iso and upgrading? [16:23] I'd certainly upgrade to 12.04 at least [16:23] and then decide if you want to go to 12.10 [16:24] one of my team is already on 13.04 (for what it's worth) :D [16:25] hello all [16:28] Well won't upgrading break everything? That's my usual experience with upgrade software. I was thinking of just going for a clean install. [16:28] no [16:29] OK should I do a full update of my current packages? (490mb) before running the upgrade tool or will it grab them anyway? [16:31] OK well I'm doing that first anyway. It should take quite a while n___n === damian_ is now known as recover === recover is now known as creativetux [17:46] so, finally, ubuntu on nexus7, entirly replaces android. so no chroot or such. that answers the question. [17:47] i wont be getting rid of android though, so a dualboot method. would be useful. in my mind. [17:50] you would be able to return it to stock [17:50] yes, as i have done several times. already. [17:50] you *might* be able to run virtualisation on it and run android in that [17:50] probably not enough ram though [17:51] agreed. [17:51] AlanBell: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/parallella-a-supercomputer-for-everyone go give these guys all your money <3 [17:51] christel: I did [17:51] oh good :D [17:51] well, not all the moneys [17:51] lol [17:51] I might do a bit more money [17:51] yah i was just pondering doing a bit more because they are getting fairly close to goal (considering) [17:52] im pondering how much of a beating i'd get if i wallopped it :s [17:53] * AlanBell chucks in another $100 [17:53] I suspect they will get it, they have had about 70,000 today [18:05] Does Ubuntu 12.10 have native MTP support yet? [18:09] Azelphur: it did not work well for me [18:09] wouldn't sync with more than a small number of tracks [18:10] had to delete everything on the nexus and sync from empty to get stuff on [18:17] fun === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [21:46] AlanBell: camera ordered [21:47] also a 6 D cell maglite [21:47] for when the undesireables come knocking. [23:24] http://www.valvesoftware.com/linuxsurvey.php gogogogo [23:57] nos da everyone, sleep well.