[06:47] <popey> Ugh!
[07:44] <knightwise> morning everyone
[07:48]  * popey pokes AlanBell with bug 1061229
[07:48] <popey> AlanBell, if it's fixed could you tag it verification-done
[07:49] <knightwise> hey popey i did a reinstall of 12.04 , left OUT the proprietary drivers and am now rocking a dual 24 inch setup :)
[07:49]  * knightwise is pleased
[07:49] <popey> nice
[07:50] <knightwise> I do have a question : is there any chance the "webbapp integration" might get backported from 12.10 to 12.04 ?
[07:51] <popey> maybe in the future
[07:52] <knightwise> ok ;
[07:52] <knightwise> i'll probably go to 12.10 when the .1 release is out
[07:52]  * knightwise is getting a dull ubuntu user that needs reliability
[07:54] <popey> there wont be a 12.10.1
[07:54] <popey> we don't do point releases for non-LTS versions
[07:54] <popey> we will be putting out some SRUs though
[07:54] <popey> first one landed today
[07:54] <knightwise> ah k
[07:54] <popey> hence me asking AlanBell to verify the stuff is fixed :)
[07:54] <knightwise> i just might wait a month or so
[07:55] <popey> yeah, there will be another SRU in a month or so
[07:55] <popey> or just stick on 12.04
[07:55] <knightwise> whats an SRU again ?
[07:55] <knightwise> Small release upgrade ?
[07:56] <mattt> sneaky release upgrade
[07:57] <knightwise> LOL
[08:01]  * AlanBell does an update
[08:02] <popey> stable release upgrade
[08:03] <popey> *update
[08:04] <knightwise> ah :)
[08:16] <AlanBell> popey: not fixed
[08:17] <popey> oh?
[08:18] <popey> you have -proposed enabled?
[08:18] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:18] <AlanBell> popey: nope, enabling it now
[08:23] <Laney> xnox: how do you cron offlineimap?
[08:23] <Laney> I have it in a */5 but every so and then it hangs and stops checking whatever account was in progress at the time until I kill it
[08:24] <Laney> "so and then" → "so often" (typing what you hear on the radio ...)
[08:24] <AlanBell> popey: fixed \o/
[08:24] <AlanBell> popey: but your carefully timed alt-tab one doesn't appear to be
[08:25] <popey> yeah, that ones on its way
[08:25] <popey> nex sru i think
[08:26] <popey> AlanBell, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1061229 can you tag it verification-done pls?
[08:26] <popey> and if you feel like verifying any of the others listed next to unity in quantal, I'll be super happy :) http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[08:27] <popey> \o/ 2nd breakfast O'clock
[08:28] <SuperMatt> I've decided that the first friday after payday should be called fat-friday
[08:30] <knightwise> popey: you from the shire ?
[08:30] <popey> :)
[08:30]  * knightwise looking forward to elevensies
[08:30] <popey> they put out bread rolls, cheese and ham, and fruit
[08:31] <knightwise> and have toeclippers the size of garden shears
[08:50] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, folks! :)
[08:57]  * JamesTait reads scrollback with interest.
[09:00] <JamesTait> Looks like a different bug to the one I metoo'd though.
[09:13] <bigcalm> Zort
[09:16] <daubers> So what're we going to do tonight bigcalm
[09:16] <bigcalm> Same thing we do every night, daubers. Try to take over the world!
[09:17] <bigcalm> Though that was a bit of a role reversal if I enter saying Zort or Narf
[09:17] <daubers> p
[09:17] <daubers> :p
[09:23] <bigcalm> I had a dream where I bought a Nokia handset because it was the best one using Android
[09:23] <bigcalm> I have a rather confused subconscious
[09:26] <einonm> bigcalm: well known fact that dreams play out your fears and aspirations. Which one of those was your dream? :P
[09:27] <bigcalm> Haha
[09:27] <bigcalm> Well, Nokia made good hardware and I like using Android. Maybe it was hope
[09:33] <BigRedS> Anyone know off the top of their head how much a rhel license for a singe (dual-cored) server would cost? I need to impress upon someone the advantages of not doing that :)
[09:34] <bigcalm> $LOTS
[09:34] <BigRedS> Oh. RH are quite open about it. $350/y
[09:34] <bigcalm> Which looks like slots
[09:34] <BigRedS> yeah, that's what I first read there, wondered why they'd care how many slots there were in it...
[09:34] <BigRedS> :)
[09:34] <bigcalm> I wonder if I can sneak in 'lut' as a variable name - I am a bad man
[09:35] <BigRedS> https://www.redhat.com/wapps/store/catalog.html it's not *that* bad
[09:35] <BigRedS> hahaha.
[09:39] <bigcalm> I have unit and functional tests to write today. Somebody fancy doing it for me while I go back to sleep?
[09:46] <Laney> ok
[09:47] <Laney> grand?
[09:52] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:53] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:53] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[10:27] <knightwise> GAh !
[10:31] <popey> ooh! http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/10/valve-to-launch-steam-linux-beta-at-uds
[10:31] <SuperMatt> yup!
[10:31] <SuperMatt> so excited about this
[10:32] <Laney> nice
[10:32] <popey> :)
[10:33] <Laney> haven't played TF2 in quite a while
[10:33] <Laney> pew pew pew
[10:39] <AlanBell> is steam an app store for games or a framework to write games in?
[10:41] <SuperMatt> the first one
[10:41] <SuperMatt> steamworks in an api
[10:42] <SuperMatt> or a framework
[10:42] <SuperMatt> whatevs
[10:42] <popey> Steam is a shop + drm system
[10:43] <popey> if that story is true then they are also porting their game dev framework over
[10:54] <popey> AlanBell, turns out that onboard theme was eating the CPU
[10:55] <popey> all the gradients on the keyboard were killing it
[11:09] <AlanBell> yeah, some can be a bit hungry
[11:14] <AlanBell> bug 890221 was filed by me :)
[11:17] <popey> heh
[11:17] <knightwise> Managing a fleet of iPad users is like trying to herd chickens
[11:20] <Darael> Quite doable, but requires a little skill?
[11:20] <SuperMatt> frustrating to say the least
[11:20] <AlanBell> popey: so does the typist theme make sense on a touchscreen?
[11:20] <AlanBell> and the model M theme?
[11:21] <gebbione> hi i m experiencing strange problems with
[11:21] <SuperMatt> typing?
[11:21] <SuperMatt> nouns?
[11:21] <gebbione> SuperMatt,
[11:21] <SuperMatt> sorry, bad joke
[11:21] <davmor2> bunny rabbits with big pointy teeth
[11:22] <SuperMatt> I've got something for that
[11:22] <SuperMatt> The Holy Handgrenade
[11:22] <popey> dunno AlanBell they stole my nexus 7 for QA
[11:22] <gebbione> the sound settings ... since loading the loopback module
[11:23] <AlanBell> popey: flash the other one!
[11:23] <popey> Uh. No.
[11:23] <SuperMatt> oh, that's not really my field of expertise
[11:40] <Laney> my god
[11:40] <Laney> infoworld is a hideous website
[11:40] <Laney> oh phippsy :(
[11:41] <daubers> infoworld?
[11:41] <Laney> http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/why-i-left-my-macbook-chromebook-205705
[11:48] <daubers> oh
[11:48] <daubers> yeah
[11:53] <shauno> the chromebook terrifies me.  that kinda reliance on google is troubling
[12:57] <BigRedS> It's just ocurred to me that UDS is probably a bit less beery than fosdem
[12:58] <mattt> probably
[12:58] <mattt> i remember the first time i went to fosdem, i went to the designated pub the friday of the conference
[12:58] <mattt> it must have been around 8 or 9 PM when i got there, and it had the 6 am rave feel to it
[13:00] <BigRedS> Haha, the closest I've come to the official fosdem pub is walking sort-of near it and catching a whiff of it...
[13:05] <popey> marginally
[13:05] <popey> given UDS (for us canonical people) is two weeks
[13:06] <popey> and so far I've been out every night
[13:06] <popey> BigRedS, you should come to UDS! :)
[13:07] <BigRedS> popey: I'm there on Tuesday. But apparently get in relatively late Monday and leave early weds
[13:08] <popey> awww
[13:08] <popey> poke me when you get here
[13:08] <popey> I got a taxi from the airport, was only ~16 quid
[13:08] <BigRedS> ah, will do!
[13:08] <popey> local money is 10:1 for GBP
[13:08] <popey> so exchange is easy to figure out
[13:08] <BigRedS> I'll be rich!
[13:09] <popey> hah
[13:09] <popey> there's a good pizza place in walking distance
[13:09] <popey> its like a typical kebab shop with a few tables
[13:10] <popey> guy doesn't speak a word of english, makes awesome pizzas, and has plenty of beer in the fridge
[13:10] <BigRedS> Sounds perfect!
[13:10] <popey> it is, cheap too
[13:11] <BigRedS> Just looking at the schedule, there's some round-tables which I guess are discussions. The things that aren't called 'round tables' are they more an update on the status of what's in the title?
[13:19] <popey> the round tables are mostly where there is no fixed topic
[13:19] <popey> so you can bring anything up
[13:19] <popey> *belch*
[13:19] <popey> those that aren't round tables have a fixed topic and are participatory, not usually "read only"
[13:19] <popey> you are encouraged to join in
[13:21] <BigRedS> Ahhh, cool
[13:21] <BigRedS> So I can go round proclaiming the Truth of the swap file :)
[13:36] <popey> haha
[13:41] <SuperMatt> ok, the deja-dup backup thing *really* needs amazon glacier support
[13:45] <BigRedS> SuperMatt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/duplicity/+bug/1039511 :)
[13:45] <SuperMatt> yeah, I saw that one earlier
[13:46] <BigRedS> I really need to re-look at AWS I think. Everything seems to have changed since I last spent a while swearing at it
[13:46] <BigRedS> Maybe it's less sweary now
[13:46] <SuperMatt> I'm using it for a couple of servers, and maybe file storage
[13:47] <SuperMatt> depends how easy it is to upload to glacier
[13:50] <Laney> 4h19m to get the train Nottingham-Heathrow on Sunday
[13:50] <Laney> 2h plane LHR-CPH
[13:51] <AlanBell> LoCo team CDs have arrived
[13:53] <SuperMatt> huzzah
[13:53] <SuperMatt> now I need to be bothered to send you a stampped addressed envelope
[13:59] <AlanBell> http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/
[14:00] <einonm> AlanBell: Is that the 12.10 release?
[14:01] <AlanBell> einonm: yes, they just arrived
[14:02] <AlanBell> pre-ordered ones have been popped in the post
[14:03] <einonm> ah, ok. Saw it on the front of Linux user&developer too, may be tempted to get it with a 'free' mag... :)
[14:03] <einonm> ...although most linux mags tend to be about the RasPi these days
[14:05] <ali1234> why do you even want a CD? it's useless in 5 months
[14:06] <einonm> To distribute - people love to get something physical when it's 'free' and are more inclinded to try it, over a weblink
[14:08] <einonm> I've converted a few people by giving CDs and pendrives, never with a weblink. Always handy to have a few around, for whatever distro
[14:10] <einonm> I really like the Linux Format mag disks for that - since they have a bookshelf of free linux books included too, saves me having to provide some support and answer questions.
[14:47] <BigRedS> Oh lordy. I'm playing buzzword bingo on tuesday
[14:48] <BigRedS> http://uds.ubuntu.com/enterprise-summit/
[14:48] <popey> :)
[14:48] <AlanBell> BigRedS: http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/
[14:49] <AlanBell> now with desktop integration \o/
[14:49]  * AlanBell adds hyperscale to the list
[14:51] <BigRedS> there's a ubingo webapp?
[14:52] <AlanBell> yeah, any web page can do desktop integration it doesn't have to be a pre-installed script
[14:54] <AlanBell> BigRedS: you should get notifications, a launcher icon and a launcher progress bar
[14:54] <BigRedS> Oh, so the webpage can offer it?
[14:55] <AlanBell> I want to add that to some other, more sensible applications we offer
[14:55] <BigRedS> are your customers largely ubuntu on the desktop, too?
[14:56] <AlanBell> yes, the webpage can set window.Unity = external.getUnityObject(1); and carry on from there
[14:56] <AlanBell> no, our customers are not yet
[14:56] <BigRedS> I need to read up on thism, might see if I can wedge it in to some of our internal things
[14:56] <BigRedS> Got any good docs?
[14:57] <AlanBell> but I want to add webapp stuff to vtiger and openERP so that they work slightly better with Ubuntu
[14:57] <AlanBell> so we can push that stuff upstream in open source applications
[14:57] <AlanBell> as long as the unity team don't break their API in undocumented ways (like they just did with the messaging menu)
[14:57] <AlanBell> no, there are no good docs
[14:58] <AlanBell> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.04/javascript/index.html is bad docs
[14:58] <AlanBell> if you read that, then read some source code you can figure it out
[15:11] <BigRedS> haha
[15:12] <BigRedS> cheers!
[15:46] <bigcalm> Anybody care to recommend a headless podcast downloader?
[15:47] <Laney> what's a good router (to use with a superhub)?
[15:48] <bigcalm> Laney: I currently use a Netgear WNDR3700
[15:49] <Laney> last time I did any router monkeying (some years ago) I used tomato
[15:49] <Laney> is that still good?
[15:49] <bigcalm> Never used it. I have experience of dd-wrt and open-wrt
[15:49] <bigcalm> Currently using open-wrt as it allows me to share my phone's 3g connection to the entire LAN via a USB port - very useful when VirginMedia dies
[15:50] <Laney> so that's flashable?
[15:50] <bigcalm> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/start
[15:51] <Laney> huh, there's a 48.95 "like new" one
[15:51] <Laney>  Free One-Day Delivery: Get it Saturday, 27 October.
[15:51] <Laney> ♥
[15:54] <davmor2> Laney: I have a basic tp-link tl841nd with dd-wrt on it and it hasn't missed a beat so far (ie much better than the stock firmware)
[16:04] <Azelphur> http://steamcommunity.com/games/221410 people should join this (it's an official group)
[16:04] <popey> :)
[16:04] <popey> it was ~2400 when I joined
[16:04] <popey> growing fast
[16:04] <Azelphur> fun, I'm behind
[16:05] <Azelphur> is that the application for access? or is that just a group
[16:05] <Azelphur> I hope it ain't the access, I've been watching the blog and they didn't announce it :(
[16:05] <popey> no idea
[16:07] <AlanBell> games are surprisingly popular
[16:07] <popey> Azelphur, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/10/valve-to-launch-steam-linux-beta-at-uds
[16:07] <popey> no idea if that's true
[16:07] <Azelphur> yea, I read that
[16:07] <Azelphur> I reckon they will, it makes sense
[16:08] <Azelphur> I know they was scheduled for the 15th but they didn't do that for some reason, probably a combination of valve time and wanting to launch at UDS
[16:08] <Azelphur> are you going to UDS?
[16:16] <bigcalm> Oh that's nice. Thunar can't handle the >> char in the UUPC feed name and so shows an empty dir
[16:17] <Venko> So I'm still running 11.10 on this laptop and I'm wondering if it's worth doing a clean install of 12.10
[16:18] <Venko> I've not kept up with Ubuntu development but I've heard some bad stuff on Twitter and Reddit about cloud searching advertisements or something. Would it be worth my time doing a clean install>
[16:18] <Laney> you can turn that off
[16:21] <Venko> So are there any significant features to make it worth my time backing my home folder up, downloading an iso and upgrading?
[16:23] <popey> I'd certainly upgrade to 12.04 at least
[16:23] <popey> and then decide if you want to go to 12.10
[16:24] <popey> one of my team is already on 13.04 (for what it's worth) :D
[16:25] <MooDoo> hello all
[16:28] <Venko> Well won't upgrading break everything? That's my usual experience with upgrade software. I was thinking of just going for a clean install.
[16:28] <popey> no
[16:29] <Venko> OK should I do a full update of my current packages? (490mb) before running the upgrade tool or will it grab them anyway?
[16:31] <Venko> OK well I'm doing that first anyway. It should take quite a while n___n
[17:46] <brobostigon> so, finally, ubuntu on nexus7, entirly replaces android. so no chroot or such. that answers the question.
[17:47] <brobostigon> i wont be getting rid of android though, so a dualboot method. would be useful. in my mind.
[17:50] <AlanBell> you would be able to return it to stock
[17:50] <brobostigon> yes, as i have done several times. already.
[17:50] <AlanBell> you *might* be able to run virtualisation on it and run android in that
[17:50] <AlanBell> probably not enough ram though
[17:51] <brobostigon> agreed.
[17:51] <christel> AlanBell: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/parallella-a-supercomputer-for-everyone go give these guys all your money <3
[17:51] <AlanBell> christel: I did
[17:51] <christel> oh good :D
[17:51] <AlanBell> well, not all the moneys
[17:51] <brobostigon> lol
[17:51] <AlanBell> I might do a bit more money
[17:51] <christel> yah i was just pondering doing a bit more because they are getting fairly close to goal (considering)
[17:52] <christel> im pondering how much of a beating i'd get if i wallopped it :s
[17:53]  * AlanBell chucks in another $100
[17:53] <AlanBell> I suspect they will get it, they have had about 70,000 today
[18:05] <Azelphur> Does Ubuntu 12.10 have native MTP support yet?
[18:09] <AlanBell> Azelphur: it did not work well for me
[18:09] <AlanBell> wouldn't sync with more than a small number of tracks
[18:10] <AlanBell> had to delete everything on the nexus and sync from empty to get stuff on
[18:17] <Azelphur> fun
[21:46] <Flashtek> AlanBell: camera ordered
[21:47] <Flashtek> also a 6 D cell maglite
[21:47] <Flashtek> for when the undesireables come knocking.
[23:24] <Azelphur> http://www.valvesoftware.com/linuxsurvey.php gogogogo
[23:57] <brobostigon> nos da everyone, sleep well.