| rick_h_ | morning party people | 08:20 |
|---|---|---|
| rick_h_ | die doctests die | 08:20 |
| snap-l | http://openmetalcast.com/2012/10/26/open-metalcast-special-episode-halloween-2012/ | 11:59 |
| snap-l | If you listen to nothing else, please at least listen to the intro. :) | 12:00 |
| rick_h_ | .party | 12:00 |
| rick_h_ | bah flaky internet coming on strong today | 12:18 |
| rick_h_ | you'd think I was in a 3rd world country...or convention center | 12:19 |
| jrwren | pain is good, right? | 12:33 |
| rick_h_ | tells you you're alive | 12:34 |
| snap-l | UDS proper hasn't started yet, has it? | 12:49 |
| rick_h_ | no, next week | 12:50 |
| snap-l | That's when the network will really be tested. :) | 12:50 |
| rick_h_ | sunday is meet/greet I think | 12:50 |
| jrwren | hey i think that is same week as MS Build | 13:20 |
| jrwren | coincidence? nope. | 13:20 |
| jrwren | MS is trying to distract people from UDS | 13:21 |
| rick_h_ | sneaky sneaky | 13:23 |
| brousch | I think the overlap of people who care about MS and who care about UDS is small | 13:25 |
| snap-l | I think there's only 52 weeks of the year, and it's inevitable any two conferences may converge. | 13:38 |
| brousch | snap-l: Obviously we need to limit the world to 52 conferences | 13:39 |
| brousch | rick_h_: VirtualBox 4.2.2 is out. Hopefully it fixes your issues | 13:53 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: oh would be cool | 13:53 |
| rick_h_ | I ended up moving my work stuff back to a manual lxc due to those issues | 13:53 |
| rick_h_ | bah, have to wait for it to get into the repos | 13:57 |
| brousch | Oracle has a repo for you | 13:58 |
| rick_h_ | but but but... | 13:58 |
| brousch | https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads | 13:58 |
| rick_h_ | I use the partner repos | 13:59 |
| brousch | You know you want it. Just let Oracle slip into your sources.list | 13:59 |
| brousch | What could possibly go wrong? | 13:59 |
| rick_h_ | :P | 13:59 |
| jrwren | sphinx looks sweet. i may actually have to play with a contrived example | 14:04 |
| jrwren | stop using virtual box. use kvm and if you want ui, virt-manager :p | 14:04 |
| jrwren | virtualbox is from evil oracle. it wants to own you and hurt you. | 14:04 |
| snap-l | jrwren: and if you want video performance, you use Virtualbox, and swallow hard whenever you see it boot up. | 14:05 |
| brousch | I need to try kvm some day | 14:05 |
| brousch | I've only ever used vmware and virtualbox | 14:05 |
| jrwren | why would you want video performance? :) | 14:07 |
| rick_h_ | unity | 14:08 |
| jrwren | wtf? | 14:08 |
| brousch | You owe me a new keyboard | 14:08 |
| jrwren | unity alone isn't an application. | 14:08 |
| jrwren | what is the use case for the VM for which you want video performance? | 14:08 |
| jrwren | server: obviously nonissue. desktop: why run a desktop in VM? | 14:09 |
| jrwren | i'm honestly asking because I'm trying to understand the use case. | 14:09 |
| jrwren | I either can't see it, or i can't agree with the decision making :) | 14:09 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Windows on Linux, test desktop instances, honeypots | 14:09 |
| snap-l | Eclpse development that just disappears when you're done with it | 14:10 |
| jrwren | snap-l: for webdev? | 14:10 |
| snap-l | jrwren: For seeing what happens on a clean install | 14:10 |
| snap-l | or for browsing stuff that you know would get your machine into trouble. | 14:10 |
| jrwren | fair enough. | 14:10 |
| jrwren | i feel for 99% of those cases, kvm and unity2d would work for me, but others surely feel different. | 14:11 |
| brousch | unity2d is dead | 14:11 |
| snap-l | brousch: Nah, they just use the softwre rendering like they always did | 14:12 |
| brousch | Tell that to the guy last night with a 5 year old laptop that ran fine with 12.04 and runs like crap with 12.10 | 14:12 |
| brousch | Might be older | 14:13 |
| snap-l | WHat video card? | 14:13 |
| jrwren | unity2d is dead? what does that mean? | 14:13 |
| snap-l | jrwren: No longer shipped with 12.10 | 14:13 |
| jrwren | don't make me fire up testdrive to see what desktop does. | 14:13 |
| jrwren | well wtf does it do in testdrive? | 14:13 |
| snap-l | In Virtualbox it uses a software renderer | 14:13 |
| snap-l | at least with 12.04 | 14:14 |
| jrwren | testdrive. | 14:14 |
| snap-l | What the hell is testdrive? | 14:14 |
| jrwren | O_O | 14:14 |
| jrwren | omg | 14:14 |
| jrwren | apt-get install testdrive | 14:14 |
| jrwren | https://launchpad.net/testdrive | 14:14 |
| snap-l | OK, that tells me it's a thing | 14:14 |
| snap-l | what does it do? | 14:14 |
| jrwren | 'TestDrive is a project that makes it very easy to download and run the latest daily Ubuntu development snapshot in a virtual machine.' | 14:15 |
| brousch | What VM? | 14:15 |
| jrwren | ' it can be configured to download and run any URL-access ISO in a virtual machine. But the primary goal is to provide a very simple method for allowing non-technical Ubuntu users to test and provide feedback on the current Ubuntu release under development.' | 14:15 |
| jrwren | it uses libvirt | 14:15 |
| jrwren | so kvm by default | 14:15 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I'm not sure what it does. I don't run KVM at the moment | 14:15 |
| jrwren | i'm firing it up right now. | 14:16 |
| jrwren | y'all have enraged me :) | 14:16 |
| snap-l | Must be a day ending in y, then. :) | 14:16 |
| jrwren | getting 30MBit to cdimages :) | 14:16 |
| brousch | I will try this voodoo | 14:18 |
| brousch | I am getting 0.9MBit | 14:18 |
| brousch | lend me some bandwidth | 14:18 |
| snap-l | Has anyone listened to the beginning of the halloween episode? | 14:43 |
| brousch | I just downloaded it | 14:50 |
| brousch | snap-l: I can fix your unpritable PDF | 15:01 |
| snap-l | brousch: Oh, how so? | 15:01 |
| brousch | PDFSerenityNow | 15:01 |
| snap-l | Commercial? | 15:02 |
| brousch | No, my project to fix stupid PDFs for printing | 15:02 |
| brousch | https://sourceforge.net/p/pdfserenitynow/home/Home/ | 15:02 |
| brousch | can pip install it | 15:02 |
| brousch | docs suck, but I can run it manually | 15:03 |
| snap-l | That's cool. | 15:13 |
| snap-l | Will check it out | 15:13 |
| snap-l | funny enough, I did convert, but to png | 15:15 |
| brousch | I go to TIFF because that's the preferred format for our plotter at work | 15:22 |
| snap-l | Also, Imagemagick has a k at the end of it. :) | 15:28 |
| snap-l | It makes it more majickal. | 15:28 |
| snap-l | like carrying your loose change in a crown royal bag tied to your belt, and saying "Forsooth" a lot. | 15:30 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 15:30 |
| snap-l | I shalt render unto thine so-called "parking meter" the silver coins of the realm so that my chariot may rest comfortably whilst my companions and I partake of the fine food of this establishment. | 15:32 |
| _stink_ | anyone else get bit by this urandom import bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-defaults/+bug/989856 | 15:45 |
| _stink_ | i saw it pop up on a 10.04 machine yesterday. | 15:46 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I've hit that | 15:46 |
| rick_h_ | I had to rebuild the venv | 15:46 |
| _stink_ | any idea what happened? | 15:47 |
| _stink_ | yeah, same here | 15:47 |
| _stink_ | just went over the existing one | 15:47 |
| rick_h_ | yea, no idea | 15:47 |
| _stink_ | yikes | 15:47 |
| _stink_ | yeah, started after upgrade from 2.6.5-1ubuntu6 to 2.6.5-1ubuntu6.1 for python2.6, libpython2.6 packages for me | 15:52 |
| _stink_ | i had a pants crap moment there | 15:53 |
| snap-l | IS anyone else habing problems with Dropbox? | 15:56 |
| _stink_ | looks like a fix from python 2.7.3 got backported to 10.04. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.7/+bug/954595 | 15:57 |
| jrwren | wow, 12.10 boots fast | 16:11 |
| snap-l | btw: when dropbox goes down, it's is not a smart idea to think unlinking your computer might fix the problem. | 16:22 |
| snap-l | Now waiting for everything to sync up again | 16:22 |
| jrwren | ouch | 16:28 |
| snap-l | Love looking at the support forums | 16:34 |
| snap-l | I hope I never run into one of the guys on there, because frankly I want to kick his nuts into orbit | 16:34 |
| snap-l | "A lot of people look like they're switching to Google Drive, I think I will too. F U Dropbox. I hope Google runs you into the ground. | 16:34 |
| snap-l | Earlier: Andy Y.: No I am not able to access my files from my phone. And obviously, I wouldn't be attempting to use the website to access them if I was at my home computer. | 16:35 |
| snap-l | So again, IF I CANNOT ACCESS MY FILES IN THE NEXT FEW MINUTES, I AM ABSOLUTELY CANCELING MY DROPBOX ACCOUNT TODAY AND SWITCHING TO ANOTHER ONLINE FILE STORAGE SERVICE. That's how important it is that I have them now. | 16:35 |
| snap-l | Because poor planning on your part is Dropbox's fault. | 16:35 |
| brousch | Those free account users can be harsh | 16:37 |
| snap-l | He's a pro user | 16:37 |
| jcastro_ | it shouldn't redownload if you put it in the same spot | 17:11 |
| jcastro_ | it will check each file though, and that can take a bit | 17:11 |
| snap-l | Yeah, it just had some fun syncing time | 17:12 |
| snap-l | but no, it didn't re-download | 17:12 |
| snap-l | That's U1's syncing tactic. ;) | 17:12 |
| brousch | ouch | 17:13 |
| greg-g | zing! | 17:13 |
| snap-l | it only hurts because it's true. | 17:13 |
| snap-l | though I still have a soft spot for U1 | 17:14 |
| snap-l | I just rarely use it | 17:14 |
| greg-g | I'm going to be switching to git-annex for all of that | 17:14 |
| snap-l | Only reason I'm so big on Dropbox now is because todotxt on Android uses it for the backend | 17:16 |
| snap-l | so I can have my GTD stuff on my phone, and at work and such | 17:16 |
| snap-l | works really wekk | 17:16 |
| snap-l | well, even | 17:16 |
| greg-g | really weak? ;) | 17:16 |
| snap-l | Pthhppt | 17:17 |
| snap-l | I'd prefer it used git, but I don't forsee that happening any time soon. | 17:17 |
| brousch | gitting things done? | 17:27 |
| snap-l | har har | 17:27 |
| greg-g | wow, the internet isn't working too well here in North America today: http://internettrafficreport.com/namerica.htm#graphs | 17:28 |
| dzho | wow. | 17:37 |
| greg-g | snap-l: git-annex is pretty sweet | 17:38 |
| greg-g | much better than SparkleShare (just smarter) | 17:39 |
| dzho | I funded a little of that, but haven't tried it. | 17:39 |
| dzho | it was sort of "oh, sure, I'll just throw some money at it because Joey Hess | 17:40 |
| greg-g | I'm not using the auto-sync stuff yet | 17:40 |
| greg-g | yeah, totally, he's legit | 17:41 |
| greg-g | I'm just using it to manage my Music and Video directories so far | 17:41 |
| dzho | well, d-i maintainer | 17:41 |
| dzho | I wish the Debian dunc tank experiment had gotten a better reception. | 17:42 |
| greg-g | yeah, it was interesting | 17:44 |
| snap-l | http://robin-d-laws.blogspot.com/2012/10/open-licensing-and-dramasystem-and.html#disqus_thread <- greg-g | 18:32 |
| greg-g | YUCK! | 18:34 |
| greg-g | snap-l: that YUCK was for you | 18:35 |
| snap-l | Why? | 18:35 |
| greg-g | a mashup of two licenses, creating yet another incompatible share-alike? | 18:35 |
| greg-g | ef that | 18:35 |
| snap-l | Well, it we get something that's OGL | 18:35 |
| snap-l | s/it/or/ | 18:35 |
| greg-g | he says a mashup of OGL and CC, not dual licensing (which is fine) | 18:35 |
| snap-l | Oh there's all sorts of IP kerfluffle in that thread | 18:36 |
| greg-g | dual license if you must to get around incompatibility issues (eg: OGL and CC:BY-SA), but making some unholy mashup of OGL+BY-SA legal code is NOT the right choice, and will fail | 18:36 |
| greg-g | license proliferation is bad, remember kids | 18:37 |
| snap-l | I've been trying to get around the FUD portion of the thread | 18:37 |
| snap-l | The "If I CC-BY-SA, that means my characters are now CC-BY-SA" | 18:38 |
| greg-g | right, games, especially board games, are a weird area in copyright law that I don't know enough about | 18:39 |
| greg-g | suffice to say: shit ain't clear cut. | 18:39 |
| snap-l | Well, and Hasbro's OGL is an interesting piece of work | 18:39 |
| snap-l | it straddles making text and mechanics available, while covering bits that are part of trademark and trade-dress copyright. | 18:40 |
| greg-g | just to be a jerk, trade dress is not copyright, a part of trademark ;) | 18:41 |
| snap-l | Yes, you are correct | 18:41 |
| greg-g | sorry :) | 18:41 |
| snap-l | but you'd think it were when people talk about "copyright" and look-and-feel bullshit | 18:41 |
| snap-l | and the OGL goes a long way to keep trademark part of copyright and licensing | 18:42 |
| greg-g | right, people and/or the law is confused | 18:43 |
| snap-l | Which means I can't call my in-game adversary a "Beholder", but I can have some fat orb that looks / sounds, and or feels like Beholder witht he serial numbers filed off | 18:45 |
| juped | hi. | 18:45 |
| brousch | Interesting http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/10/26/ubuntu-core-on-the-nexus-7/ | 20:28 |
| brousch | They actually want to replace the OS instead of sit on it like LinuxOnAndroid | 20:28 |
| brousch | If the 7 had a SD card you could dual boot. Weak tablet. | 20:29 |
| juped | not necessarily. | 20:33 |
| juped | there's an adapter you can buy that's micro usb that turns it into a card reader. | 20:34 |
| juped | insert an SD card loaded with ubuntu. | 20:34 |
| juped | woila | 20:34 |
| brousch | Dongle? What is this, an Apple device? | 20:34 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 20:34 |
| juped | My coworker showed me it yesterday on his 7 tablet. | 20:34 |
| juped | Only reason I know this. | 20:34 |
| brousch | They probably have a patent on "Usage of a dongle to do anything useful with device" | 20:35 |
| juped | heh yeah probably. | 20:35 |
| brousch | Mostly I'm just jealous of rick_h_ and his 7 | 20:35 |
| jrwren | only the super nerds will want to do this. | 20:35 |
| brousch | His Nexus7, just to be perfectly clear about it | 20:35 |
| rick_h_ | yea, several people have set it up | 20:35 |
| rick_h_ | I need my netflix/audible/etc device too much to debug power issues | 20:36 |
| brousch | heh | 20:36 |
| brousch | Too bad you can't do a netboot or something | 20:36 |
| rick_h_ | yea | 20:36 |
| brousch | or if you could use grub to pick linux or android | 20:51 |
| jrwren | you guys lied to me. | 20:54 |
| jrwren | i still have unity-2d-common pkg. | 20:55 |
| jrwren | its still there. | 20:55 |
| snap-l | UNder 12.10? | 20:55 |
| snap-l | also, is it selectable? | 20:55 |
| jrwren | yes | 20:55 |
| jrwren | i just got a pkg update for it | 20:55 |
| snap-l | WEll, maybe it's for 13.04 then | 20:55 |
| brousch | it's a fake | 20:56 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/08/unity-2d-removed-from-ubuntu-12-10 | 20:56 |
| brousch | I like how a Canonical employee links to the authoritative source | 20:57 |
| rick_h_ | :P | 20:57 |
| rick_h_ | google fu | 20:57 |
| jrwren | bah, empty package | 20:57 |
| jrwren | omgubuntu is auth source? | 20:57 |
| snap-l | They've gotten better about "fact checking" | 20:58 |
| snap-l | in that they'll at least ask Canonical about something. :) | 20:58 |
| jrwren | ha! cool. | 20:59 |
| brousch | Sorry, I forgot my </sarcastic> there | 20:59 |
| jrwren | uses software render via llvmpipe | 20:59 |
| jrwren | unity-2d-common was an effectively empty package (/usr/share/doc/ only) in quantal | 20:59 |
| jrwren | i removed it :) | 20:59 |
| snap-l | Yeah, Unity 2D was using llvmpipe too | 20:59 |
| snap-l | but using QT to do the heavy lifting | 21:00 |
| jrwren | oh | 21:00 |
| derekv | has anyone ever heard of some system to manage deployments of a group of apps | 23:29 |
| derekv | I'm looking for something where basically, I describe a bunch of different componants, say some databases and some middle and back end and some clients etc that all have interdependancies | 23:29 |
| derekv | then I describe a "deployment scenario", which might be something along the lines of "grab version 2.0.14 of the WAR for fooService, deploy it on a tomcat thats on the same machine as its database (which should be postgres with version schema version 2), deploy the AwesomeRubyRestService from git commit 2bbef59 in an apache on a different box, tie it all to the dev tier business database server at ww.xx.yy.zz, and run all the androi | 23:33 |
| derekv | and I click go | 23:33 |
| derekv | and it spins up vertual machines etc | 23:34 |
| derekv | i wonder if puppet does all this | 23:38 |
| derekv | I don't think there is anything that really does what I have in mind, I'm betting lots of stuff out there does parts of it | 23:46 |
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