[05:53] <nuvolari> o/ morning
[06:09] <magespawn> morning and the worms go to nuvolari 
[06:09] <Maaz> magespawn: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell magespawn There is a thing called grub-rescue-pc in the repos you cant put on stiffy or cd, maybe onna stick as well" 12 hours, 39 minutes and 5 seconds ago
[06:11] <magespawn> Maaz tell Kilos thank you
[06:11] <Maaz> magespawn: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[06:15] <Squirm> morning
[06:30] <KilosM> morning superfly and others
[06:55] <superfly> morning magespawn, Squirm, KilosM
[06:59] <KilosM> hehe im like that guy Lucas in Full Circle magazine
[06:59] <KilosM> breaks his system so often he has learned how to fix it
[07:00] <KilosM> all good superfly ?
[07:24] <Squirm> morning KilosM, superfly 
[07:24] <Squirm> KilosM: I was working last night
[07:24] <Squirm> that's why I was quiet
[07:24] <KilosM> ah ok Squirm 
[07:35] <sakhi> Morning
[07:49] <KilosM> hi sakhi Tonberry 
[07:53] <magespawn> whats up ubuntu-za peeps?
[07:53] <KilosM> hey magespawn 
[07:57] <KilosM> hey you clever guys, how come my kde usb shows its 2 gig when the original iso is 173.3mB
[07:59] <KilosM> 733mB
[08:01] <bakuman> Misdirection and magic O_O
[08:01] <magespawn> sounds like the file got corrupted, did you run the checksum?
[08:01] <inetpro> good morning
[08:01] <magespawn> morning inetpro
[08:02] <inetpro> KilosM: thanks for reminding me of  the Full Circle magazine
[08:02] <KilosM> yw inetpro 
[08:02] <KilosM> all 20 meg of it
[08:02] <inetpro> haven't read it for some time
[08:02] <inetpro> yeah it's massive
[08:03] <inetpro> should actually print it out on a color printer and leave it on the coffee table
[08:03] <KilosM> lol thats a good idea
[08:04] <KilosM> im sure when i installed esword on winsucks a bible was like 5mB
[08:04] <KilosM> maybe i forget
[08:05] <inetpro> KilosM: that's because it's just plain text
[08:06] <KilosM> ya but so much plain text
[08:06] <KilosM> maverick is fixed inetpro im very happy
[08:06] <inetpro> nice!
[08:06] <inetpro> so you planning to break it again?
[08:06] <KilosM> weird and wonderful things happen on this pc
[08:07] <KilosM> after a few boot-repairs bios didnt see it so tried swopping power leads with cdrom and there it is
[08:08] <KilosM> i dunno if the mb can switch the different leads on/off individually or what
[08:08] <magespawn> shouldn't
[08:09] <KilosM> weird because drive and cdrom work so what did switching leads actually do
[08:10] <magespawn> maybe it was just lose
[08:11] <KilosM> ive closed the connectors on all leadsa while back so they go in firmly.
[08:11] <magespawn> had 25000 plus contacts in my thunderbird address book after removing dupilcates 81
[08:11] <magespawn> maybe a faulty power supply
[08:12] <KilosM> but struggled to get things working when i got it from nuvo as well 
[08:12] <KilosM> thats what im thinking magespawn but normally they pack up good not intermittent like this
[08:13] <magespawn> what is the static electricity like there?
[08:13] <KilosM> oh thats normally quite high here in the tvl when its dry but we have had rain on and off for weeks
[08:14] <KilosM> sometimes when you try open car door you spark
[08:14] <KilosM> not often though
[08:14] <magespawn> stray static can work havoc with a computer
[08:15] <KilosM> i looked at that boot-repair-cd download 355mB
[08:15] <KilosM> whew
[08:15] <magespawn> still no sure where all those extra contacts came from and ditto for the other 2 address books, wierd
[08:16] <magespawn> KilosM: so almost a full os then
[08:16] <KilosM> i dunno how that can be though. because when you download and install its small
[08:17] <KilosM> maybe i looked wrong place
[08:17] <magespawn> maybe that is the live cd version
[08:18] <KilosM> was at launchpad i think
[08:19] <magespawn> gotta go out for bit bbl
[08:20] <KilosM> go safe
[09:28] <KilosK> sigh havent been on kde for 3 days
[09:30] <KilosK> Maaz, coffee on
[09:30]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[09:33] <KilosK> oh ya no sounds in irc
[09:33] <KilosK> grrr
[09:34] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for KilosK!
[09:35] <KilosK> Maaz, ty
[09:35] <Maaz> You are welcome KilosK
[09:36] <inetpro> KilosK: no sounds at all or no sounds of your choice?
[09:37] <inetpro> KilosK: last time id understood that quassel has sound but not the one you wanted
[09:38] <KilosK> quassel only has sound if im not here
[09:38] <KilosK> like unfocussed i think its called
[10:50] <magespawn> inetpro what to do when the hosting compnay only uses ftp?
[10:55] <Symmetria> hrm, dammit, Im being forgetful, whats the name of the guy that comes in here from uwc all the time
[10:56] <inetpro> magespawn: a huge lot of them still do
[10:57] <confluency> magespawn: cry.
[10:57] <Symmetria> starts with an s
[10:57] <Symmetria> and for the life of me I cant remeber his nick :)
[10:57] <inetpro> not a lot you can do other than making them aware that FTP should die
[10:57] <magespawn> lol
[10:57] <magespawn> okay then
[10:58] <inetpro> Maaz: ftp
[10:58] <Maaz> Dump FTP! http://www.43folders.com/2008/07/14/dump-ftp see also: FTP must Die!! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie
[10:58] <magespawn> can you support both at the same time
[10:58] <inetpro> magespawn: ^^
[10:58] <magespawn> ?
[10:58] <inetpro> both?
[10:59] <magespawn> ftp and sftp
[10:59] <magespawn> or ftp and ftps
[11:00] <inetpro> magespawn: sftp uses ssh port 22
[11:00] <inetpro> ftp uses port 20 and 21
[11:00] <Symmetria> aahh its sakhi
[11:00] <inetpro> so yes they can live together
[11:00] <Symmetria> does anyone happen to have his contact details?
[11:00] <magespawn> so you can run both on the same server 
[11:01] <inetpro> Symmetria: not me
[11:01] <magespawn> Symmetria: is not on the list?
[11:01] <inetpro> magespawn: yes
[11:01] <inetpro> magespawn: but FTP must die!!!
[11:01] <magespawn> then why do people not want to change?
[11:02] <magespawn> thinking from a migration point of view
[11:02] <inetpro> magespawn: because people don't like change
[11:02] <confluency> Because people are lazy and want to stick to what worked for their grandparents. :P
[11:02] <inetpro> magespawn: and that ^^
[11:02] <inetpro> thanks confluency
[11:03] <magespawn> then we would all still be living in cave smacking our dinner with a club, or maybe we would not have got that far
[11:03] <magespawn> cave <a> smacking
[11:04] <magespawn> typo ru;les tofay
[11:04] <confluency> I suspect that there is also a perception that FTP is "more secure" because it allows the user to do an extremely limited set of things, whereas shell access is "more dangerous" because it's more powerful.  Which is pretty stupid.
[11:04] <inetpro> magespawn: FTP is an outdated, insecure, slow and unfriendly pig of a protocol. It has no business being on the Internet in the 21st century.  
[11:04] <inetpro> FTP MUST DIE!
[11:04] <confluency> I will never willingly use FTP-only hosting again; I would rather stab myself in the face with a fork.
[11:05] <Symmetria> magespawn see message :)
[11:07] <magespawn> what the server is set up for is surely up to the company
[11:09] <magespawn> it is truly bazzar to me that companies that make their money from the internet still insist on using insecure methods for hosting and email
[11:10] <confluency> It's an entrenched standard; it's just a really bad one.  Why do so many companies still insist on using IE?
[11:10] <confluency> I think you mean "bizarre". ;)
[11:12] <magespawn> that too
[11:12] <magespawn> pop with unsecure authentication
[12:04] <inetpro> magespawn: pop is by no means the only problem with email
[12:24] <magespawn> no indeed just the one i run into the most
[12:28] <Kilos> ty for what magespawn 
[12:28] <Kilos> ?
[12:29] <magespawn> the message you left for me with Maaz
[12:29] <Kilos> power disappeared here twhen i got ups disconnected to fit connectors for ext battery
[12:29] <Kilos> whew
[12:30] <Kilos> oh that
[12:30] <Kilos> maybe we can look into that as well some time
[12:32] <Kilos> weird that boot-repair-cd is so big. boot-repair installs on your pc with 2m download
[12:33] <magespawn> like i said i am pretty sure that is because it will run on its own
[12:34] <magespawn> ala live cd style
[12:36] <Kilos> hehe
[12:36] <Kilos> will get it with next months night surfer data methinks
[12:37] <Kilos> this using one drive to boot-repair a second then booting into the second and starting boot-repair and quickly pulling power off drive one is a schlep
[12:39] <magespawn> i dont think most people would even thnik to try that Kilos
[12:41] <Kilos> if you dont disconnect drive 1 then you cant take drive 2 to another pc
[12:41] <Kilos> always wants to see drive1 as the boot boss
[12:43] <magespawn> fish 1 has a school project that to involve a pivot, levers and effort
[12:44] <magespawn> so we have dcided to build oneof these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trebuchet
[12:44] <Kilos> seesaw wise
[12:44] <Kilos> lol you wanna make war
[12:45] <magespawn> yes that could be done 
[12:45] <magespawn> something like that yes
[12:45] <Kilos> them things are siege weapons to break down castle walls
[12:51] <Kilos> remind me monday morning early the power cutting from 8am for the day whoever is here early and can memmber that please
[13:01] <magespawn> will do Kilos
[13:14] <Symmetria> http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/cop-accidentally-shoots-himself-in-head-1.1412033#.UIqMesVllIk
[13:14] <Symmetria> wtf
[13:14] <Symmetria> that sounds like an out and out suicide
[13:37] <zeref> title says it all :P
[13:38] <zeref> except for the accidentally part
[13:39] <zeref> btw, why does windows release so many versions of the same OS, eg: starter,home basic,professional,enteprise,ultimate???
[13:49] <Guest30134> Bloody helllllllllll why does none of my mobile devices ever identify properly
[13:57] <magespawn> zeref: all in the name of making money
[13:57] <magespawn> for some afternoon fun http://www.globalspec.com/trebuchet/
[14:01] <Symmetria> hrm
[14:01] <Symmetria> dammit, I cant find contact details for sakhi anywhere
[14:12] <magespawn> for those python people http://xkcd.com/413/
[14:13] <zeref> magespawn: have you tried pygame?
[14:14] <magespawn> nope
[14:15] <Kilos> zeref, so poorer peeps can also afford to get windows
[14:15] <Symmetria> heh
[14:15] <Kilos> price the ultimate dvd
[14:15] <Symmetria> Im debating going windows 8
[14:15] <Kilos> Symmetria, ask the fly, he tried it
[14:15] <Kilos> took forever to download for starters
[14:16] <magespawn> they have not even got the kinks out of 7 yet
[14:16] <Kilos> and he still has a headache
[14:18] <zeref> magespawn: lol @ xkcd
[14:18] <magespawn> very funny stuff
[14:18] <magespawn> good for a friday afternoon
[14:19] <zeref> but Kilos basic is  so basic
[14:19] <zeref> a few friends of mine got lappies with starter, and they all install ultimate
[14:20] <zeref> most of the peeps want an os with everything on it
[14:20] <Kilos> what does ultimet cost zeref i would also like to know
[14:20] <Kilos> for interests sake
[14:20] <Kilos> thats what large businesses buy
[14:21] <zeref> honestly, i've never "bought" a windows version :P
[14:22] <Kilos> haha you one of those billy cries about
[14:24] <zeref> imagine ubuntu having different editions....
[14:24] <Kilos> avast ye swabs
[14:24] <Kilos> ya
[14:24] <zeref> in the linux world you sort odf have different versions, 
[14:25] <zeref> LFS -> ubuntu
[14:26] <Kilos> i tried win7 ultimate. horrible
[14:26] <Kilos> can even play AOE3
[14:26] <Kilos> it even says it has issues with aoe3
[14:27] <zeref> Win 7 is good IMHO
[14:27] <zeref> you play AOE????
[14:27] <zeref> nice
[14:27] <magespawn> R1898.00
[14:28] <zeref> magespawn: Win 8 or win 7 ultimate
[14:28] <magespawn> win 7
[14:29] <zeref> whew
[14:29] <zeref> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/software/63100-windows-8-versions-and-sa-pricing-explained.html
[14:31] <zeref> so complex
[14:31] <Kilos> yeah love aoe
[14:32] <Kilos> can get lotsa 8ta data for R1898
[14:36] <Kilos> lol yeah win7 is good
[14:36] <Kilos> some time we will find out what for
[14:36] <magespawn> hah Kilos
[14:40] <magespawn> http://xkcd.com/456/
[14:55] <Symmetria> how do you leave a message for someone on the bot in here
[14:56] <magespawn> say "Maaz tell nick message" without the quotes
[14:58] <Symmetria> maaz tell sakhi Please contact Symmetria, +27 76 219 7933 when you get this, kinda urgent
[14:58] <Maaz> Symmetria: Righto, I'll tell sakhi on freenode
[15:15] <Kilos> storming here. gonna reconnect ups, see yas later
[15:36] <Squirm> almost storming here too
[15:39] <Squirm> yoh
[15:40] <Squirm> big storm around
[15:47] <nlsthzn> :( kernel update... reboot needed
[15:49] <Kilos> abend
[16:17] <magespawn> i am out of here for now see y'all on saturday
[17:31] <Kilos> hey not_found-droid how come 2 of you
[17:31] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[17:40] <nlsthzn> alo uncle Kilos ... I am all over the place
[17:40] <nlsthzn> :D
[17:41] <Kilos> hehe
[17:41] <Kilos> im getting the flies disease
[17:41] <Kilos> so weird, i never get sick
[17:41] <nlsthzn> :( changing of the season and all
[17:42] <Kilos> yeah but it never bugs me, but sis and her husband had it for a week already
[17:42]  * nlsthzn goes for a shower and a sleep ... nigth all
[17:42] <Kilos> nigfht nlsthzn sleep tight
[17:42] <Kilos> whew typing crooked even
[17:43] <Kilos> superfly, keeps your bugs in the cape
[17:45] <zeref> bye guys, enjoy teh weekend 
[17:45] <Kilos> you too zeref 
[17:46] <Kilos> have a good one
[17:46] <zeref_hidden_nin> hmmm,
[17:46] <zeref_ninja> cheers Kilos 
[17:52] <superfly> Kilos: what bugs? I don't get sick
[17:53] <Kilos> rofl flu
[17:53] <Kilos> you got flu more often than not
[18:05] <Kilos> superfly, have you ever tried evolution mail
[18:06] <superfly> Kilos: no
[18:06] <Kilos> i just installed here and did a backup from maverick
[18:06] <Kilos> so much better than thunderbird
[18:06] <Kilos> user friendly wise i mean
[18:15] <smileE17> hi :p
[18:15] <Kilos> hi smileE17 
[18:15] <Kilos> hi magtie 
[18:15] <smileE17> how are you? :D
[18:16] <Kilos> getting flu methinks
[18:16] <Kilos> and you?
[18:16] <magtie> Hi kilos   smileyE17
[18:16] <magtie> refuse to get such things
[18:17] <Kilos> lol its not often i get
[18:19] <Kilos> but spose sooner or later there is a mutation that will get to us all
[18:19] <Kilos> hi psydroid why you just lurk?
[18:20] <Kilos> yo Vince-0 
[18:22] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[18:22] <psydroid> I am studying
[18:23] <Kilos> good lad
[18:25] <Vince-0> Hiii
[18:30] <smileE17> Kilos: i'm fine too
[18:30] <smileE17> :p
[18:30] <smileE17> it's vacation for me
[18:30] <smileE17> but now i have to go again
[18:30] <smileE17> i promise i will be here longer tomorrow :)
[18:30] <smileE17> good night everyone, sleep tight
[18:30] <Kilos> toods smileE17 
[18:30] <Kilos> you too ty
[18:30] <smileE17> :)
[18:55] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight