| nikel123 | hi | 09:55 |
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| nikel123 | can anyone tell me default user/password for ubuntu-studio 12.10 live-dvd? | 09:55 |
| astraljava | Did somebody pull a practical joke, or did that dude just not know what he was on about? | 11:43 |
| scott-work | ailo-w: i also wanted to give some thought to making some decisions and documentating them about the positions within the team during this cycle | 12:18 |
| scott-work | i don't think it's necessary that is has to be done during this cycle or even in the blueprints though | 12:18 |
| knome | will somebody register sessions for US for UDS? | 12:19 |
| scott-work | knome: i'm not sure we are. i don't think there are any plans to do so | 12:20 |
| scott-work | i can't think of any where we really need pervasive outside involvement (although i'm probably wrong and missing something very blatant) | 12:20 |
| knome | there's at least ailo and micahg around | 12:20 |
| scott-work | yay! | 12:20 |
| knome | well, it would fill my schedule at least a bit more | 12:20 |
| scott-work | hehe | 12:21 |
| knome | i would definitely participate | 12:21 |
| scott-work | i'm excited for ailo to be going. i think it is his first UDS and i'm glad we will have someone there | 12:22 |
| scott-work | i believe he is also going to have direct talks with someone from UKT to finish up the kernel maintenance transition | 12:22 |
| scott-work | (which probably wouldn't move as expediently otherwise) | 12:22 |
| knome | yeah, good to see some people from US face-to-face too | 12:23 |
| knome | astraljava of course doesn't count as he's not "people" | 12:23 |
| scott-work | ailo-w: would you be opposed to me making a TEAM blueprint to list the positions we think we need, their responsibilities, terms for project lead, how to establish a new one, and the mission statement? | 12:24 |
| knome | that sounds like strategy document planning | 12:25 |
| scott-work | aye, i would agree | 12:26 |
| scott-work | my personal plan has been to stay as lead until the next LTS, but i think it would serve the project better if we decided something formally, even if it isn't until the next LTS ;) | 12:26 |
| knome | :) | 12:27 |
| scott-work | and while i admit that being ubuntu studio project lead has become part of my identify (even outside of ubuntu), i think it would be better for the project if someone else lead for a while, much like cory stated and did when i started | 12:27 |
| knome | maybe | 12:30 |
| knome | especially if you can't commit enough time | 12:31 |
| scott-work | true. very, very true | 12:31 |
| astraljava | knome: True. | 12:33 |
| scott-work | i upgraded one of my video/minecraft machines to 12.10 the other day, now i'm doing my laptop today at work :) | 12:34 |
| knome | err, "minecraft machine" :P | 12:34 |
| astraljava | What, out of that sentence above, "minecraft machine" worries you more? *blink* *blink* | 12:36 |
| astraljava | scott-work: How about that LP account? | 12:38 |
| ailo-w | knome: sessions? | 12:48 |
| ailo-w | scott-work: A team blueprint might be a good idea, yes | 12:49 |
| ailo-w | I have been thinking in those terms as well | 12:49 |
| ailo-w | bb later, going home now | 12:49 |
| scott-work | astraljava: i searched within launchpad and only found the single account for me, i'll link it | 13:17 |
| scott-work | astraljava: https://launchpad.net/~slavender | 13:18 |
| scott-work | can you show me the other one? i'm rather curious now | 13:18 |
| scott-work | knome: well, i have three kids and i resorted to having a couple of machines setup for minecraft to keep them off of my computers so i can actually use them | 13:19 |
| smartboyhw | hi scott-work ailo | 14:23 |
| smartboyhw | Now what is that TEAM blueprint about? | 14:31 |
| scott-work | hi smartboyhw | 14:36 |
| scott-work | "list the positions we think we need, their responsibilities, terms for project lead, how to establish a new one, and the mission statement" | 14:37 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work, so really am I not understanding it wrong, that you wanna step down as project lead? (In today's IRC logs | 14:37 |
| scott-work | smartboyhw: not particularly | 14:38 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work, explain the logs please then: would be better for the project if someone else lead for a while, much like cory stated and did when i started" | 14:38 |
| scott-work | hmmm, clearly i have projected incorrectly how people view either me or the project lead position | 14:39 |
| * smartboyhw just doesn't understand it | 14:39 | |
| scott-work | in the long view, there exists a point where any project lead will (or should) step down and let someone else lead, IMO | 14:39 |
| scott-work | i simply want to plan for this eventuality | 14:39 |
| scott-work | my personal feelings is that any particular lead should not lead the entire project for too long of a period, say from LTS to LTS | 14:40 |
| smartboyhw | OK is the blueprint made? | 14:40 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work, ah | 14:40 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work, actually did you copy that idea from Xubuntu? | 14:40 |
| scott-work | but i would like this to be discussed as a group, ratified, and documented somewhere | 14:40 |
| scott-work | smartboyhw: not hostistically, although LTS->LTS did come from them | 14:41 |
| smartboyhw | Oh did it | 14:42 |
| scott-work | part of this is from my desire to make sure that the project is in a better position after my term, and i think ensuring that clear leadership can be maintained is important | 14:42 |
| scott-work | as well as making sure have certain internal processes and internal documentation in place | 14:43 |
| smartboyhw | :D | 14:43 |
| smartboyhw | OK | 14:43 |
| scott-work | we have a lot of blueprints, maybe too many. i wonder if we are going to have commitments to get all of it done | 14:47 |
| scott-work | perhaps next cycle we draft the list together, get commitments, select which we will focus on based on commitments, and then make blueprints | 14:47 |
| scott-work | just thinking outloud | 14:47 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work, too many blueprints really...I got my eye dead on seeing the dependency tree | 14:48 |
| smartboyhw | ailo, ^ | 14:48 |
| astraljava | scott-work: When I go to change the owner, and type 'Scott Lavender', it complained there's no such account, and suggested either 'slavender', or 'slavender3'. | 14:55 |
| smartboyhw | Oh | 14:55 |
| smartboyhw | slavender I think | 14:55 |
| smartboyhw | Yes scott-work = slavender:P | 14:55 |
| holstein | we could have a meeting soon and knock a few of those out | 14:55 |
| astraljava | smartboyhw: Yeah I got that part. I just wanted to double-check with him. | 14:55 |
| smartboyhw | holstein, we have that idea. Question: When? | 14:55 |
| holstein | we cant include lmms because of some licensing thing... we have sane jack settings.. thre wre a few more that i thought we had settled before | 14:56 |
| smartboyhw | holstein, oh? | 14:56 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: the sundays were working | 14:56 |
| smartboyhw | holstein, I mean what time.... | 14:56 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: i think it was 1700 utc? i forget | 14:57 |
| smartboyhw | holstein, then i can't come | 14:57 |
| holstein | me either | 14:57 |
| holstein | you could just call one though | 14:57 |
| astraljava | I don't think that time was working very well. | 14:57 |
| smartboyhw | holstein, I will not call for one then, let scott-work and ailo do it | 14:58 |
| smartboyhw | Best time: 14:30 UTC or so? | 14:58 |
| astraljava | People with families tend to spend it with them instead of us. Can't really understand why, but... *shrug* | 14:58 |
| smartboyhw | *shrug* | 14:58 |
| holstein | well, its either family or work time | 14:58 |
| astraljava | smartboyhw: That's rather early in the morning for US west coast people, ie. Len. | 14:58 |
| holstein | we'll just have to try a few and see who can come | 14:58 |
| astraljava | holstein: Work? On a Sunday? | 14:59 |
| holstein | astraljava: i work routinely on sunday | 14:59 |
| holstein | astraljava: i have 2 jobs this sunday | 14:59 |
| astraljava | Yes, but you're not really working. :D | 14:59 |
| holstein | lol | 14:59 |
| smartboyhw | astraljava, let us settle on a best time: I can come only on like 12:00 to 15:00 UTC | 14:59 |
| holstein | i think someone like scott-work should pick the time.. something a "normal" person could attend | 15:00 |
| holstein | but, im talking about something informal | 15:00 |
| holstein | just to knock out a few of those action items we've already done | 15:00 |
| smartboyhw | informal? | 15:00 |
| astraljava | smartboyhw: I'll be there if I can, but I will not take part in the poll. | 15:00 |
| smartboyhw | astraljava, oh ok | 15:00 |
| holstein | yup.. like ping.. lets knock out a few action items! | 15:00 |
| smartboyhw | holstein, oh ok | 15:01 |
| astraljava | scott-work: Changed. | 15:01 |
| holstein | the formal meeting time hasnt been working though | 15:02 |
| smartboyhw | Doesn't work for me, per se (17:00 UTC would be like 1:00 AM HKT here) | 15:03 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: iirc, i picked the last time.. you could try choosing a time.. see if it works | 15:04 |
| smartboyhw | holstein, 14:00 or 14:30 UTC | 15:04 |
| smartboyhw | for me at least | 15:04 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work, you decide:P | 15:04 |
| astraljava | Set up a poll on one of those services. | 15:07 |
| smartboyhw | astraljava, ok | 15:07 |
| holstein | yeah... you'll get a nice cross section of feedback too, like "none of these times work!" | 15:08 |
| astraljava | I think we used one for some Xubuntu meetings last cycle. Check with knome. | 15:08 |
| holstein | but.. give it a shot! | 15:08 |
| astraljava | holstein: Oh, there's someone else like that besides me? :D | 15:09 |
| smartboyhw | lol | 15:09 |
| astraljava | holstein: The service gave you the whole of the week, so if none of the slots there work for you, I suppose it's time for a reality check. :) | 15:09 |
| holstein | well, i personally wont have a regular time that will work.. but some folks will | 15:11 |
| astraljava | Yeah I didn't really mean it personally 'you', just as a passive. | 15:11 |
| astraljava | Shoulda used 'one. | 15:12 |
| astraljava | 'one'* | 15:12 |
| holstein | yeah... some folks have a more plan-able regular schedule | 15:12 |
| holstein | informal team meetings as needed could work though | 15:12 |
| astraljava | Sure, those have had a higher success rate lately. | 15:12 |
| holstein | gotta run bbl... | 15:13 |
| smartboyhw | astraljava, holstein len-dt ailo scott-work holstein | 15:14 |
| smartboyhw | http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=508aa865e4b061e6546aaf2b | 15:14 |
| smartboyhw | Did I miss anybody?:P | 15:17 |
| astraljava | Dunno if stochastic is interested. micahg probably don't care as much, but I'll ping him anyway. *smirk* knome, maybe? | 15:18 |
| * micahg isn't technically part of the project... | 15:19 | |
| astraljava | doesn't* | 15:19 |
| astraljava | micahg: Hence the 'probably'. :) | 15:19 |
| smartboyhw | micahg, you are, especially "technically":P | 15:20 |
| knome | we used doodle.com | 15:42 |
| knome | so, there's not going to be a US UDS session? | 15:58 |
| astraljava | You're in a (sub-)team, why won't you set one up? | 16:11 |
| knome | because my subteam doesn't have items for discussion | 16:27 |
| knome | but actually, if somebody said you wanted a session, i would've registered that for you. | 16:27 |
| knome | does have nothing to do who actually has access to stuff or is in teams | 16:28 |
| astraljava | Yes that's' true. | 16:37 |
| scott-work | astraljava: i dont' know anything about the '3' person | 16:53 |
| scott-work | i would venture to say that the poll should have included days of the week as well, my weekends are quite a bit more free than work days | 16:55 |
| knome | try doodle. | 16:55 |
| knome | you can even enter your name there. | 16:55 |
| ailo-away | Been away a while. Will check backscroll when I get home later | 17:47 |
| len-dt | Sunday is ok. 1700 is too late for me 1600 is tight but ok, 1500 is about right.... in two weeks everything will shift (from -0700 to -0800) so then 1600 will be better. | 19:35 |
| ailo | All of those times were ok for me | 21:29 |
| ailo | I can't seem to be able to pick one | 21:29 |
| knome | ailo, get on with it! :) | 21:53 |
| ailo | knome: Nope. I can't make up my mind. I'll let someone decide who is married with children | 22:34 |
| stochastic | astraljava, what day is that poll for? | 22:44 |
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