[09:55] <nikel123> hi
[09:55] <nikel123> can anyone tell me default user/password for ubuntu-studio 12.10 live-dvd?
[11:43] <astraljava> Did somebody pull a practical joke, or did that dude just not know what he was on about?
[12:18] <scott-work> ailo-w: i also wanted to give some thought to making some decisions and documentating them about the positions within the team during this cycle
[12:18] <scott-work> i don't think it's necessary that is has to be done during this cycle or even in the blueprints though
[12:19] <knome> will somebody register sessions for US for UDS? 
[12:20] <scott-work> knome: i'm not sure we are. i don't think there are any plans to do so
[12:20] <scott-work> i can't think of any where we really need pervasive outside involvement (although i'm probably wrong and missing something very blatant)
[12:20] <knome> there's at least ailo and micahg around
[12:20] <scott-work> yay!
[12:20] <knome> well, it would fill my schedule at least a bit more
[12:21] <scott-work> hehe
[12:21] <knome> i would definitely participate
[12:22] <scott-work> i'm excited for ailo to be going. i think it is his first UDS and i'm glad we will have someone there
[12:22] <scott-work> i believe he is also going to have direct talks with someone from UKT to finish up the kernel maintenance transition
[12:22] <scott-work> (which probably wouldn't move as expediently otherwise)
[12:23] <knome> yeah, good to see some people from US face-to-face too
[12:23] <knome> astraljava of course doesn't count as he's not "people"
[12:24] <scott-work> ailo-w: would you be opposed to me making a TEAM blueprint to list the positions we think we need, their responsibilities, terms for project lead, how to establish a new one, and the mission statement?
[12:25] <knome> that sounds like strategy document planning
[12:26] <scott-work> aye, i would agree
[12:26] <scott-work> my personal plan has been to stay as lead until the next LTS, but i think it would serve the project better if we decided something formally, even if it isn't until the next LTS ;)
[12:27] <knome> :)
[12:27] <scott-work> and while i admit that being ubuntu studio project lead has become part of my identify (even outside of ubuntu), i think it would be better for the project if someone else lead for a while, much like cory stated and did when i started
[12:30] <knome> maybe
[12:31] <knome> especially if you can't commit enough time
[12:31] <scott-work> true. very, very true
[12:33] <astraljava> knome: True.
[12:34] <scott-work> i upgraded one of my video/minecraft machines to 12.10 the other day, now i'm doing my laptop today at work :)
[12:34] <knome> err, "minecraft machine" :P
[12:36] <astraljava> What, out of that sentence above, "minecraft machine" worries you more? *blink* *blink*
[12:38] <astraljava> scott-work: How about that LP account?
[12:48] <ailo-w> knome: sessions?
[12:49] <ailo-w> scott-work: A team blueprint might be a good idea, yes
[12:49] <ailo-w> I have been thinking in those terms as well
[12:49] <ailo-w> bb later, going home now
[13:17] <scott-work> astraljava: i searched within launchpad and only found the single account for me, i'll link it
[13:18] <scott-work> astraljava: https://launchpad.net/~slavender
[13:18] <scott-work> can you show me the other one? i'm rather curious now
[13:19] <scott-work> knome: well, i have three kids and i resorted to having a couple of machines setup for minecraft to keep them off of my computers so i can actually use them
[14:23] <smartboyhw> hi scott-work ailo
[14:31] <smartboyhw> Now what is that TEAM blueprint about?
[14:36] <scott-work> hi smartboyhw 
[14:37] <scott-work> "list the positions we think we need, their responsibilities, terms for project lead, how to establish a new one, and the mission statement"
[14:37] <smartboyhw> scott-work, so really am I not understanding it wrong, that you wanna step down as project lead? (In today's IRC logs
[14:38] <scott-work> smartboyhw: not particularly
[14:38] <smartboyhw> scott-work, explain the logs please then: would be better for the project if someone else lead for a while, much like cory stated and did when i started"
[14:39] <scott-work> hmmm, clearly i have projected incorrectly how people view either me or the project lead position
[14:39]  * smartboyhw just doesn't understand it
[14:39] <scott-work> in the long view, there exists a point where any project lead will (or should) step down and let someone else lead, IMO
[14:39] <scott-work> i simply want to plan for this eventuality
[14:40] <scott-work> my personal feelings is that any particular lead should not lead the entire project for too long of a period, say from LTS to LTS
[14:40] <smartboyhw> OK is the blueprint made?
[14:40] <smartboyhw> scott-work, ah
[14:40] <smartboyhw> scott-work, actually did you copy that idea from Xubuntu?
[14:40] <scott-work> but i would like this to be discussed as a group, ratified, and documented somewhere
[14:41] <scott-work> smartboyhw: not hostistically, although LTS->LTS did come from them
[14:42] <smartboyhw> Oh did it
[14:42] <scott-work> part of this is from my desire to make sure that the project is in a better position after my term, and i think ensuring that clear leadership can be maintained is important
[14:43] <scott-work> as well as making sure have certain internal processes and internal documentation in place
[14:43] <smartboyhw> :D
[14:43] <smartboyhw> OK
[14:47] <scott-work> we have a lot of blueprints, maybe too many. i wonder if we are going to have commitments to get all of it done
[14:47] <scott-work> perhaps next cycle we draft the list together, get commitments, select which we will focus on based on commitments, and then make blueprints
[14:47] <scott-work> just thinking outloud
[14:48] <smartboyhw> scott-work, too many blueprints really...I got my eye dead on seeing the dependency tree
[14:48] <smartboyhw> ailo, ^
[14:55] <astraljava> scott-work: When I go to change the owner, and type 'Scott Lavender', it complained there's no such account, and suggested either 'slavender', or 'slavender3'.
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Oh
[14:55] <smartboyhw> slavender I think
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Yes scott-work = slavender:P
[14:55] <holstein> we could have a meeting soon and knock a few of those out
[14:55] <astraljava> smartboyhw: Yeah I got that part. I just wanted to double-check with him.
[14:55] <smartboyhw> holstein, we have that idea. Question: When?
[14:56] <holstein> we cant include lmms because of some licensing thing... we have sane jack settings.. thre wre a few more that i thought we had settled before
[14:56] <smartboyhw> holstein, oh?
[14:56] <holstein> smartboyhw: the sundays were working
[14:56] <smartboyhw> holstein, I mean what time....
[14:57] <holstein> smartboyhw: i think it was 1700 utc? i forget
[14:57] <smartboyhw> holstein, then i can't come
[14:57] <holstein> me either
[14:57] <holstein> you could just call one though
[14:57] <astraljava> I don't think that time was working very well.
[14:58] <smartboyhw> holstein, I will not call for one then, let scott-work and ailo do it
[14:58] <smartboyhw> Best time: 14:30 UTC or so?
[14:58] <astraljava> People with families tend to spend it with them instead of us. Can't really understand why, but... *shrug*
[14:58] <smartboyhw> *shrug*
[14:58] <holstein> well, its either family or work time
[14:58] <astraljava> smartboyhw: That's rather early in the morning for US west coast people, ie. Len.
[14:58] <holstein> we'll just have to try a few and see who can come
[14:59] <astraljava> holstein: Work? On a Sunday?
[14:59] <holstein> astraljava: i work routinely on sunday
[14:59] <holstein> astraljava: i have 2 jobs this sunday
[14:59] <astraljava> Yes, but you're not really working. :D
[14:59] <holstein> lol
[14:59] <smartboyhw> astraljava, let us settle on a best time: I can come only on like 12:00 to 15:00 UTC 
[15:00] <holstein> i think someone like scott-work should pick the time.. something a "normal" person could attend
[15:00] <holstein> but, im talking about something informal
[15:00] <holstein> just to knock out a few of those action items we've already done
[15:00] <smartboyhw> informal?
[15:00] <astraljava> smartboyhw: I'll be there if I can, but I will not take part in the poll.
[15:00] <smartboyhw> astraljava, oh ok
[15:00] <holstein> yup.. like ping.. lets knock out a few action items!
[15:01] <smartboyhw> holstein, oh ok
[15:01] <astraljava> scott-work: Changed.
[15:02] <holstein> the formal meeting time hasnt been working though
[15:03] <smartboyhw> Doesn't work for me, per se (17:00 UTC would be like 1:00 AM HKT here)
[15:04] <holstein> smartboyhw: iirc, i picked the last time.. you could try choosing a time.. see if it works
[15:04] <smartboyhw> holstein, 14:00 or 14:30 UTC
[15:04] <smartboyhw> for me  at least
[15:04] <smartboyhw> scott-work, you decide:P
[15:07] <astraljava> Set up a poll on one of those services.
[15:07] <smartboyhw> astraljava, ok
[15:08] <holstein> yeah... you'll get a nice cross section of feedback too, like "none of these times work!"
[15:08] <astraljava> I think we used one for some Xubuntu meetings last cycle. Check with knome.
[15:08] <holstein> but.. give it a shot!
[15:09] <astraljava> holstein: Oh, there's someone else like that besides me? :D
[15:09] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:09] <astraljava> holstein: The service gave you the whole of the week, so if none of the slots there work for you, I suppose it's time for a reality check. :)
[15:11] <holstein> well, i personally wont have a regular time that will work.. but some folks will
[15:11] <astraljava> Yeah I didn't really mean it personally 'you', just as a passive.
[15:12] <astraljava> Shoulda used 'one.
[15:12] <astraljava> 'one'*
[15:12] <holstein> yeah... some folks have a more plan-able regular schedule
[15:12] <holstein> informal team meetings as needed could work though
[15:12] <astraljava> Sure, those have had a higher success rate lately.
[15:13] <holstein> gotta run bbl...
[15:14] <smartboyhw> astraljava, holstein len-dt ailo scott-work holstein 
[15:14] <smartboyhw> http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=508aa865e4b061e6546aaf2b
[15:17] <smartboyhw> Did I miss anybody?:P
[15:18] <astraljava> Dunno if stochastic is interested. micahg probably don't care as much, but I'll ping him anyway. *smirk* knome, maybe?
[15:19]  * micahg isn't technically part of the project...
[15:19] <astraljava> doesn't*
[15:19] <astraljava> micahg: Hence the 'probably'. :)
[15:20] <smartboyhw> micahg, you are, especially "technically":P
[15:42] <knome> we used doodle.com
[15:58] <knome> so, there's not going to be a US UDS session?
[16:11] <astraljava> You're in a (sub-)team, why won't you set one up?
[16:27] <knome> because my subteam doesn't have items for discussion
[16:27] <knome> but actually, if somebody said you wanted a session, i would've registered that for you.
[16:28] <knome> does have nothing to do who actually has access to stuff or is in teams
[16:37] <astraljava> Yes that's' true.
[16:53] <scott-work> astraljava: i dont' know anything about the '3' person
[16:55] <scott-work> i would venture to say that the poll should have included days of the week as well, my weekends are quite a bit more free than work days
[16:55] <knome> try doodle.
[16:55] <knome> you can even enter your name there.
[17:47] <ailo-away> Been away a while. Will check backscroll when I get home later
[19:35] <len-dt> Sunday is ok. 1700 is too late for me 1600 is tight but ok, 1500 is about right.... in two weeks everything will shift (from -0700 to -0800) so then 1600 will be better.
[21:29] <ailo> All of those times were ok for me
[21:29] <ailo> I can't seem to be able to pick one
[21:53] <knome> ailo, get on with it! :)
[22:34] <ailo> knome: Nope. I can't make up my mind. I'll let someone decide who is married with children
[22:44] <stochastic> astraljava, what day is that poll for?