| irc_FoxDie | hi | 00:10 |
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| Azelphur | Anyone know if oracle java has an ARM build? | 00:29 |
| shauno | heh, you're funny. | 00:31 |
| shauno | http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/embedded/downloads/javase/index.html | 00:31 |
| Azelphur | cool | 00:31 |
| Azelphur | so that gets me in browser java on arm? | 00:31 |
| * Azelphur grabs that :P | 00:31 | |
| Azelphur | hmm, so many options | 00:31 |
| Azelphur | there's only one headful version, so I suppose that's the one I want? | 00:32 |
| shauno | haven't the foggiest I'm afraid | 00:39 |
| Azelphur | me either | 00:39 |
| Azelphur | maybe icedtea will work | 00:39 |
| shauno | however, 'headful' is a fun word that I may try to use again some time | 00:39 |
| Azelphur | xD | 00:39 |
| directhex | Azelphur: i don't think there's a java browser plugin for ARM | 00:42 |
| shauno | trying to buy ubercheap servers isn't fun. appears intel have an aversion to stating which chips are EMT64 and which are actually x86_64 | 00:43 |
| directhex | e.g. firefox doesn't properly support browser plugins on arm | 00:43 |
| directhex | shauno: er, what's the difference? | 00:43 |
| Azelphur | :< | 00:43 |
| shauno | I don't believe 64bit builds of ubuntu will run on a 6yo xeon that's emt64 but not amd64 | 00:44 |
| directhex | i kinda got moonlight running on ARM by patching monlight to identify its browser API as "Unknown_Linux" rather than "Linux_i386_gcc34" or something like that | 00:44 |
| directhex | shauno: i think you're mistaken. | 00:45 |
| shauno | it's a possibility, especially if you ask my wife. but I'm fairly averse to buying servers off ebay without knowing for sure | 00:45 |
| directhex | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Older_implementations are all the differences | 00:47 |
| directhex | i really don't think ubuntu is built not to run on older em64t chips | 00:47 |
| directhex | and if you order tonight, you can get a new HP server for <£150. http://www.ebuyer.com/281915-hp-proliant-turion-ii-n40l-microserver-100-cashback-658553-421 | 00:48 |
| shauno | yeah, I've been watching out for those. they haven't run the cashback thing in the republic since december :/ | 00:51 |
| shauno | oh no, looks like it ran in september too | 00:53 |
| bb15 | Good morning! | 06:43 |
| dwatkins | ello | 07:37 |
| bootinfdsds | dwatkins, Looks like they made it ! http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/parallella-a-supercomputer-for-everyone/ | 08:11 |
| dwatkins | bootinfdsds: interesting | 08:20 |
| dwatkins | bootinfdsds: the little penguin under his TV looks exactly like the one given out to all SGI employees about 7 years ago, perhaps he used to work there. | 08:22 |
| dwatkins | What I don't understand about Kickstarter projects like this is why the larger manufacturers aren't already doing this sort of thing. | 08:25 |
| AlanBell | dwatkins: because they have the capital already | 08:42 |
| AlanBell | or can raise it conventionally | 08:42 |
| dwatkins | AlanBell: I mean that I don't know why the bigger manufacturers aren't making this kind of board ;) | 08:42 |
| AlanBell | oh, right :) | 08:42 |
| dwatkins | Sorry for being ambiguous. | 08:43 |
| AlanBell | heh, I was going to drift off into an economics lecture :) | 08:43 |
| dwatkins | We had snow yesterday in Doncaster, it's getting properly cold now. | 08:43 |
| dwatkins | I do enjoy hearing about economics. Someone pointed out the other day that Apple's prices being high means that people are reassured by them. | 08:44 |
| dwatkins | "reassuringly expensive" actually does sell | 08:44 |
| AlanBell | yes, it does | 08:44 |
| christel | i was pleased to see they made it and shall look forward to receiving my board! | 08:47 |
| christel | \o/ | 08:47 |
| dwatkins | I'm tempted to get one, christel. | 08:48 |
| christel | :D | 08:48 |
| dwatkins | I didn't know there was an Ubuntu release for RISC. | 08:49 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| ali1234 | nobody is making a board like that because it is of limited use outside academia | 09:21 |
| ali1234 | nobody else needs parallel computing just for the sake of it | 09:22 |
| ali1234 | "45GHz CPU" | 09:31 |
| christel | i parsed board as beard \o/ | 09:31 |
| ali1234 | by their metric an i7 is 24 GHz | 09:31 |
| ali1234 | so their 64 core version which doesn't exist yet is twice as good as an i7 | 09:32 |
| ali1234 | except that it isn't because their risc core is nowhere near as powerful as an x86, clock for clock. | 09:33 |
| ali1234 | so basically if the question is "why is nobody making massively inefficient and point parallel computing devices" i think the answer is obvious | 09:33 |
| popey | morning all | 09:36 |
| directhex | ali1234: for once, we wholeheartedly agree! | 09:39 |
| ali1234 | directhex: it's not the first time | 09:39 |
| directhex | it's a 2-core arm a9, with some crazy vector nonsense on the side. like my first cell for kids | 09:39 |
| ali1234 | yep. great for teaching "how to write parallel software" but of little use in the real world, because real hardware is so much better | 09:40 |
| ali1234 | dwatkins: the ubuntu OS that comes with it will only run on the ARM cores | 09:40 |
| directhex | not even useful for that, tbh | 09:40 |
| ali1234 | maybe, maybe not | 09:40 |
| directhex | it's no use for teaching parallel programming, since it can't teach any of the parallel programming paradigms used in real-world scale-up architecture | 09:41 |
| ali1234 | why not? | 09:41 |
| directhex | i.e. it's not openmp or mpi or opencl, therefore it's esoteric single-use nonsense | 09:41 |
| ali1234 | they claim it supports openmp and mpi | 09:41 |
| directhex | pfft | 09:41 |
| directhex | i'll believe it when i see it | 09:41 |
| directhex | hint: i won't see it | 09:41 |
| popey | directhex, signed up for the valve beta? | 09:42 |
| directhex | popey: bien sur! | 09:42 |
| popey | http://www.valvesoftware.com/linuxsurvey.php | 09:42 |
| ali1234 | maybe i misread it | 09:42 |
| ali1234 | writing a opencl implementation for it should at least be possible and probably make a nice undergraduate thesis for someone | 09:43 |
| directhex | opencl i can see it doing | 09:43 |
| directhex | the architecture doesn't allow for openmp, and memory constraints make it kinda useless for nontrivial mpi | 09:43 |
| ali1234 | though if you want opencl to play on, just get a GPU | 09:43 |
| directhex | but you'd learn more writing an mpi app on a multi-core linux desktop, using the shared memory back-end | 09:44 |
| directhex | the secret truth about parallel computing is you don't want 64 crap cores. you want 1 super powerful one. every time | 09:45 |
| directhex | if your app is 99% parallelizable and efficient, on 64 cores, that means 0.99^64 i.e. 52% | 09:45 |
| ali1234 | yes. parallel computing is where you go when you've exceeded the limits of what you can do with 1 core. | 09:46 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:58 |
| andyc | This is probably the wrong place to ask this question, but does anyone know of any good deals on laptops at the moment that have good support for ubuntu? | 10:28 |
| andyc | I had heard that thinkpads generally run linux quite well but don't know whether this is still the case | 10:29 |
| andyc | I'm thinking in terms of ACPI support for suspend/hibernate specifically | 10:29 |
| andyc | (I'm assuming that network/sound are generally well supported but I've found that waking from suspend is something which my computer struggles with) | 10:30 |
| SuperMatt | installing windows 8. restart count: 3 | 10:56 |
| SuperMatt | so far | 10:56 |
| SuperMatt | and this is just an inline install | 10:56 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Jello! | 11:17 |
| awilkins | Straw poll ; how many people have removed unity-lens-shopping ? | 11:18 |
| bashrc | yes | 11:18 |
| ahayzen | no | 11:19 |
| bigcalm_laptop | *GONG* | 11:19 |
| ahayzen | was i supposed to? lol ;) | 11:19 |
| awilkins | Not implying a right choice either way, just interested to know peoples opinion and their actions reflect that the best :-) | 11:21 |
| bigcalm_laptop | I had a quick look and wasn't happy how it worked. There didn't appear to be an 'easy' click here to disable | 11:21 |
| * bigcalm_laptop continues with xubuntu and ignorant bliss | 11:21 | |
| bashrc | I think it can be dissabled within the privacy settings | 11:21 |
| bigcalm_laptop | It can, but that takes effort | 11:21 |
| ahayzen | doesn't that disable all data from the internet though? | 11:21 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Or, more effort | 11:22 |
| ahayzen | eg the U1 Music Store data source? or have i miss understood that button? | 11:22 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Off I pop | 11:23 |
| ali1234 | i haven't installed 12.10 but if i had, i would remove it | 11:25 |
| === lalmalang is now known as malang | ||
| ali1234 | there wouldn't be any point in me having it installed anyway as I have uninstall unity because it depends on compiz-0.9 which conflicts with compiz | 11:27 |
| AlanBell | ahayzen: no, it doesn't disable all data from the internet | 11:30 |
| AlanBell | it is just a preference setting that lenses and scopes can decide whether or not to honour | 11:30 |
| ahayzen | AlanBell, ah i see thanks | 11:31 |
| AlanBell | it actually has almost nothing to do with whether results come from the internet or not | 11:31 |
| ahayzen | but it says 'Include online search results' :( | 11:31 |
| AlanBell | yeah, it lies | 11:32 |
| AlanBell | well, misleads | 11:32 |
| ahayzen | yeah | 11:32 |
| AlanBell | if you check it then some canonical produced lenses will s | 11:32 |
| bashrc | I thought the dash was a nice feature in 12.04, but then they went and messed it up in 12.10 with the amazon stuff | 11:32 |
| AlanBell | if you uncheck it then some canonical produced lenses will stop providing online search results | 11:32 |
| AlanBell | bashrc: that is nonsense, it had youtube stuff in 12.04 | 11:33 |
| ahayzen | *some* ;) | 11:33 |
| ahayzen | not all then | 11:33 |
| bashrc | yes, but the youtube stuff didn't appear in the default search, it was within its own lens | 11:33 |
| AlanBell | ahayzen: well, all the default ones I think | 11:33 |
| ahayzen | awesome...but it should work as a kill switch for all lenses official or not | 11:34 |
| bashrc | I thought the youtube search was a good feature of 12.04 | 11:34 |
| AlanBell | bashrc: true, and I don't like the way they have set the invisible property on the amazon lens | 11:34 |
| AlanBell | bashrc: yeah, it is a good feature, as is the amazon lens. Just the "OMG Amazon are getting our search queries!!11!" stuff isn't really news | 11:35 |
| bashrc | don't know if anyone has already seen this http://www.valvesoftware.com/linuxsurvey.php | 11:36 |
| AlanBell | all lenses and scopes can listen to your global search queries and do evil stuff with them if they want | 11:36 |
| AlanBell | you can today write a scope/lens that displays *nothing* does not appear in the lens bar, does not present any results but listens to every query you type | 11:36 |
| bashrc | amazon in it's own lens would be fine, especially if specific lenses are uninstallable (I almost never use amazon) | 11:37 |
| AlanBell | and sends it off to an evil datawarehouse full of "term" and "gedi" and "firef" | 11:37 |
| AlanBell | and that evil scope could do it's evil "gedi" harvesting irrespective of your choice in the privacy dialog | 11:37 |
| AlanBell | personally I think the non-functional privacy checkbox is the bad thing, the lens itself is fine | 11:38 |
| AlanBell | and I don't think lenses should be permitted to set visible=false and hide from the lens bar at the bottom of the dash | 11:39 |
| bashrc | didn't know that could happen | 11:39 |
| AlanBell | that is how the amazon lens doesn't show up there | 11:39 |
| bashrc | hidden lenses sending data to who knows where could be pretty bad - imagine what spammers would do with it | 11:40 |
| AlanBell | I was trying to find out what the relevant UDS session would be to raise these topics but I don't see a lens thing on the schedule yet | 11:40 |
| AlanBell | bashrc: well, I actually can't imagine what spammers would do with "gedi" and "ter" | 11:41 |
| AlanBell | but in principal I agree | 11:41 |
| AlanBell | personally I don't type high quality harvestable data into the global dash search | 11:42 |
| bashrc | with the possibility of there being more proprietary stuff on ubuntu in future - especially games - it's probably a good idea not to build in features which could allow the user to be tricked | 11:42 |
| AlanBell | would be interesting to find out if other people do . . . I could write a simple hidden lens to get some data on this . . . | 11:43 |
| AlanBell | argh, I just turned evil didn't I | 11:43 |
| bashrc | where's the black hat... | 11:43 |
| bashrc | any info cn be used as a crib | 11:43 |
| bashrc | or just for traffic analysis | 11:44 |
| bashrc | but anyway that kind of stuff is sufficiently proximal to personal files/documents that it's a potential security issue | 11:46 |
| bashrc | especially if I was using ubuntu in a business context | 11:46 |
| ali1234 | i have yet to see a good explanation of how, if i am searching for a video on youtube, it is useful to me to have recipes, news articles, files from my hard disk, and products i can buy on amazon mixed into the search results randomly | 11:48 |
| bashrc | I suppose the Microsoft equivalent would be that anything you type into the windows explorer search box gets sent to Redmond by default. | 11:50 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 11:51 |
| ali1234 | or google desktop | 11:51 |
| ali1234 | or chrome OS | 11:51 |
| awilkins | I think Google Desktop and ChromeOS probably did / do that | 11:53 |
| bashrc | yes, but I think chromeos is not much more than a kernel and a browser | 11:53 |
| awilkins | For similar reasons - Google want all your data with them | 11:54 |
| ali1234 | the revenue Canonical earns from integrated amazon search results will be used to bring you more great features like integrated amazon search results | 11:55 |
| bashrc | heh | 11:55 |
| bashrc | but as a linux user I don't want to become the product | 11:55 |
| directhex | canonical needs revenue streams | 11:55 |
| bashrc | true, but there are better ways of doing it | 11:55 |
| ali1234 | without that revenue great features like integrated amazon search results just wouldn't be possible | 11:56 |
| directhex | if you didn't hand over money for it, then you're the product. applies everywhere. | 11:56 |
| ahayzen | anyone know how much Canonical will be getting from including the amazon search results? | 11:56 |
| ali1234 | http://xkcd.com/1021/ probably the most insightful cartoon xkcd man ever made | 11:59 |
| directhex | ahayzen: presumably they're just going to get affiliate money when people buy things from those results | 11:59 |
| ahayzen | directhex, yeah...but i wonder what cut they get | 12:00 |
| ali1234 | the same cut as anyone | 12:01 |
| ahayzen | which is? | 12:01 |
| ali1234 | which reminds me i need to make a ubuntu respin with my amazon affiliate account and then seed it on pirate bay | 12:01 |
| directhex | "up to 10%" | 12:02 |
| directhex | https://affiliate-program.amazon.co.uk/ | 12:02 |
| ahayzen | directhex, thanks...will be interesting how much they get from this per release | 12:03 |
| directhex | a gorillion dollars! | 12:04 |
| ahayzen | him they could get quite a lot | 12:05 |
| ahayzen | say there are 5 million unity users (20 million Ubuntu users last time i check - say 25% on 12.10 and unity) .... then say that 10% of them spend £5 on amazon... if that revenue is from the total price and not the profit then Canonical would get £250,000! | 12:07 |
| ali1234 | 10% is far too high | 12:07 |
| ahayzen | but then £5 is probably too low? | 12:08 |
| ali1234 | not really | 12:08 |
| ahayzen | dunno was just putting random numbers in to see wht the outcome would be | 12:08 |
| ali1234 | not enough to make up for 10% being two orers of magnitude too high | 12:08 |
| bashrc | and then what's the salary for canonical's staff? | 12:09 |
| ahayzen | well how many man hours does it take to create and run the servers that power the lens | 12:09 |
| bashrc | So ubuntu included a feature which only 0.1% of its users might actually use? | 12:10 |
| ali1234 | when you look at who unity is actually used by, yeah pretty much | 12:11 |
| bashrc | :-) | 12:11 |
| ali1234 | basically children, people who are scared of computers, and canonical employees | 12:11 |
| bashrc | that's a bit harsh | 12:12 |
| ali1234 | children don't have disposable income. people who are afraid of computers are extremely afraid of online shopping | 12:12 |
| ali1234 | harsh but true | 12:12 |
| ali1234 | i forgot fanbois | 12:12 |
| bashrc | but if you notice in a lot of the YouTube tech reviews of distros they're usually running virtualbox within ubuntu with unity | 12:12 |
| ahayzen | so was it actually worth the hassle/backlash from implementing the feature for the small revenue gain they will get? | 12:13 |
| ali1234 | if you notice a lot of those videos are done by 15 year old kids too | 12:13 |
| bashrc | not the ones I watch | 12:14 |
| ali1234 | i wouldn't watch a review of a distro done in a virtual machine. i can do that myself. | 12:14 |
| ahayzen | i would have personally preferred them to have finished the spread design specification or Local Menus first | 12:14 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 12:18 |
| ali1234 | so i would estimate that perhaps 50% of ubuntu users are on unity | 12:18 |
| ali1234 | of those maybe 25% are on 12.10 | 12:19 |
| ali1234 | that's 2.5 million | 12:19 |
| ali1234 | assuming 20 million users is at all accurate | 12:19 |
| AlanBell | ali1234: the affiliate code isn't present in the desktop it is in products.ubuntu.com | 12:31 |
| === PaulW2U is now known as G4MBY | ||
| alexcockell | Hi all... | 15:08 |
| alexcockell | Who's about - and who's got ITV1 tuned in? | 15:09 |
| christel | im about but i fear i am watching soccer saturday, whats on itv1? :) | 15:09 |
| SuperEngineer | boo! | 15:19 |
| alexcockell | A New Hope... Greedo's just had his nuts fried... | 15:20 |
| DJones | I just looked at the year of production for that, must admit, its 20 years younger than I thought, I thought it was more 1977, not 1997 | 15:21 |
| Pendulum | A New Hope is 1977 originally (although I think it was originally just Star Wars). But Lucas made his CGI changes and re-released it as Star Wars: A New Hope in 1997 | 15:24 |
| alexcockell | Yup - it's the SE version that's airing. | 15:24 |
| Pendulum | I don't know that it's possible to get ahold of the originals these days | 15:25 |
| Pendulum | (unless you know someone with them on VHS who can burn them to CD for you) | 15:26 |
| SuperEngineer | been trying out "other desktops" [gnome & cinnamon]. safely removed cinnamon via a ppa-purge - but it worries me removing gnome-desktop. | 15:28 |
| Pendulum | I don't mind the 97 versions. I'm not completely ballistic about the change he later made to part of the end of Return of the Jedi (after the movies I refuse to acknowledge were done), but I prefer the 97 or originals | 15:28 |
| SuperEngineer | is there a guarenteed safe way | 15:28 |
| SuperEngineer | [e.g. synaptic] I'm concerned that a removal might remove Unity / normal desktop stuff as well | 15:30 |
| alexcockell | Pendulum - they did see a DVD release in about 2000... | 15:32 |
| Pendulum | alexcockell: is that the one where they made the really controversial change? I remembered it being about 2004 | 15:32 |
| Pendulum | (and I'd have expected it to be later than 2000) | 15:33 |
| DJones | I'm sure I've got a vhs video of the original hidden in a box under the stairs | 15:37 |
| Pendulum | yeah, it was with the 2004 box set that what I'd call the most controversial change happened to Return of the Jedi (it's the only change I really would prefer to revert to the original, I just didn't go ballistic the way a couple people I know who are Star Wars obsessed did) | 15:37 |
| Pendulum | most of the changes I can take or leave and there are a couple from the 97 SE that I think actually make the movies a bit better | 15:38 |
| alexcockell | Do you mean the "Wesa free!" line? | 15:38 |
| Pendulum | nope | 15:38 |
| alexcockell | Oh - I remember - 2004 - Hayden Photoshopped in? | 15:39 |
| Pendulum | yeah | 15:39 |
| Pendulum | that one | 15:39 |
| alexcockell | Didn't get that boxset.. I had the SE on VHS and the silver DVD boxset... | 15:39 |
| alexcockell | Oh - and had the two spools of highlights on Super 8 back in the day.. | 15:41 |
| Pendulum | nice | 15:41 |
| * AlanBell goes to upgrade an Ubuntu Server CD | 15:42 | |
| Pendulum | somewhere I have a burned version of the Christmas Special, but I don't know if I've ever tried to actually play it | 15:42 |
| alexcockell | I streamed it off Youtube... All I could say is OUCH. | 15:42 |
| alexcockell | Oh - no - was he Nostalgia Critic review. | 15:43 |
| Pendulum | yeah, it was more I was getting it because it was cheap on ebay and to just say I had it for the looks on people's faces ;) | 15:43 |
| SuperEngineer | oh well, I'll take that as a no then [rule 1: without knowledge of outcome... don't do] | 15:51 |
| alexcockell | re the Super 8 spools - as I was only 7-8, Dad spliced them into the correct sequence... | 15:52 |
| bittin | X | 15:57 |
| alexcockell | Hiya Bittin.. | 16:02 |
| bittin | Hiya alan_g | 16:02 |
| bittin | alexcockell even | 16:02 |
| penguin42 | heck, nPower's apparent 9% price rise is actually 19% for me | 17:12 |
| mattt | penguin42: i'm scared | 17:17 |
| mattt | early drop in temperatures + significant energy price rises won't bode well for a lot of people | 17:17 |
| penguin42 | mattt: I switched to this when my previous fixed gas scheme finished only a month or so ago, there were no fixed ones available, so I went for the cheapest unfixed, and reckoned if it went up by 10% it would still be reasonalbe; what thjey've done is put the supposed average up 9.2% but massively changed the balance between standing rate/unit; this one was good for me precisely because it was a high standing rate | 17:19 |
| shauno | tihs is curious. 'screen' seems to have exploded on me overnight. and I can't figure out why. after running fine for 200+ days, it's now nagging me constantly. (and it's survived a reboot) | 17:22 |
| penguin42 | nagging? | 17:22 |
| shauno | I keep getting messages across the bottom row, complaining about trying to attach to a bad pid, or /dev/pts/3 not existing | 17:23 |
| shauno | which is getting annoying because I can't type until they're gone | 17:23 |
| penguin42 | is /dev/pts/3 there? | 17:24 |
| shauno | it's not. it's complained about 4 and 5 too, which are also not there. but I'm not sure what's changed | 17:25 |
| penguin42 | that's....odd | 17:25 |
| shauno | I'm on lucid, so the list of what's changed lately is incredibly small | 17:25 |
| penguin42 | sounds like a job for strace | 17:26 |
| shauno | waiting for it to do it again so I can snag them. but I haven't spotted rhyme nor reason yet, so no idea how long I'll be waiting | 17:27 |
| shauno | Attach attempt with bad pid(16312)! | 17:29 |
| shauno | This is the one that's perplexing. I have no idea where it's getting this number from (I rebooted recently, and am only up to pid 4500-ish) | 17:30 |
| penguin42 | is pid ordering still deterministic these days? | 17:30 |
| shauno | they look fairly sequential looking at the contents of /proc | 17:31 |
| shauno | (I'm not sure if 10.04 counts as 'these days') | 17:31 |
| penguin42 | shauno: Have you got multiuser mode enabled? There are a few people saying they got stuff like that with it on | 17:34 |
| shauno | not that I know of. all I have in my screenrc is 'defutf8 on' | 17:35 |
| penguin42 | shauno: looking through the screen source there is a lot of debug that can be turned on in the attacher.c code | 17:37 |
| penguin42 | shauno: My best guess is that something is poking the socket in /tmp for some reason | 17:38 |
| shauno | it does seem something else is actually trying to attach. I just got kicked out of the help screen because my window geometry changed (mine didn't) | 17:39 |
| Darael | check ps for other running copies of screen that might be trying to attach? | 17:40 |
| shauno | ah, I have 3 copies of autossh running on my laptop. that won't help. ugh. | 17:40 |
| penguin42 | autossh? | 17:43 |
| shauno | it's meant to sit in the background and try to relaunch ssh whenever it drops, because I use it for tunnels more than anything else | 17:43 |
| penguin42 | how does that interact with screen? | 17:44 |
| shauno | but there really shouldn't be multiple copies running. just killed them all of | 17:44 |
| shauno | screen's in my .bashrc | 17:44 |
| shauno | because I'm incredibly lazy :) (although it does check to see if TERM is set to xterm first, else scp tries to attach screen, and life gets miserable) | 17:45 |
| penguin42 | but why does it attaching break? | 17:47 |
| shauno | I'm not sure. I still can't figure out where those pids came from either | 17:49 |
| shauno | no messages since I killed them and restarted it though. very strange. that's ticked away quite happily for years | 17:50 |
| penguin42 | shauno: Almost though the stream of data on the socket got out of sync | 17:52 |
| shauno | most of these things work so well that I completely forget they're there, and just trust that when I hit my hotkey, screen is there waiting for me | 17:53 |
| penguin42 | yeh, things you set up n years ago, forget about, forget how you set them up, until they break | 17:53 |
| shauno | and then when you see what's happening, you wonder who on earth bodged this all together in the first place | 17:54 |
| penguin42 | haha yes :-) | 17:54 |
| ahayzen | Hi, having an issue with apt saying that an application depends on 'libglew1.6 (>= 1.6.0) but it is not installable'...but i have libglew1.8 installed...anyone know a way to tell apt to ignore the error or a workaround? Thanks Andy | 18:46 |
| AlanBell | ahayzen: what application? | 18:47 |
| ahayzen | AlanBell, trying to install vdrift from playdeb repo ;) | 18:47 |
| AlanBell | ahayzen: you should be able to install libglew1.6 that is a separate package | 18:47 |
| AlanBell | libglew1.8 is a different package to libglew1.6, it isn't a higher version number of the same thing | 18:48 |
| ahayzen | AlanBell, it doesn't appear in apt though? | 18:48 |
| AlanBell | as far as apt is concerned | 18:48 |
| AlanBell | !info libglew1.6 | 18:48 |
| ahayzen | and it says it was removed here ... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/amd64/libglew1.6 | 18:48 |
| lubotu3 | Package libglew1.6 does not exist in quantal | 18:48 |
| Darael | Wait, playdeb works? How long has that been the case? For months, getdeb and playdeb were both giving me 403s. | 18:49 |
| AlanBell | hmm, I appear to have it installed | 18:49 |
| ahayzen | i've done a clean install of 12.10 x64 | 18:49 |
| AlanBell | I suspect you may be out of luck until the playdeb package gets fixed | 18:49 |
| AlanBell | maybe talk to cjwatson who removed it | 18:50 |
| AlanBell | he is in #ubuntu-motu | 18:50 |
| ahayzen | ok...may try compiling it again see if i can get round the odd permission errors i had last time....thanks | 18:50 |
| ahayzen | AlanBell, thanks | 18:50 |
| ahayzen | AlanBell, my bad, just realised that the software source says 'precise-getdeb' changed it to 'quantal-getdeb' seems to be installing something now ;) | 19:37 |
| czajkowski | evening | 20:57 |
| Laney | grargh | 20:58 |
| Laney | so not looking forward to the early start tomorrow | 20:58 |
| czajkowski | Laney: how bad is your start? | 21:01 |
| czajkowski | also dont forget clocks change | 21:01 |
| Laney | first train 0744 | 21:02 |
| penguin42 | ouch | 21:02 |
| czajkowski | oh nasty | 21:02 |
| czajkowski | I'll be awake but still | 21:02 |
| Laney | it takes twice as long to get to the airport than it does to get from there to cph | 21:02 |
| Laney | clocks back is a shitter indeed | 21:03 |
| Laney | i think i might not be very fun tomorrow night :P | 21:03 |
| penguin42 | isn't that good for you? It means it's really 844 in todays clocks? | 21:04 |
| Laney | oh wait, it's an extra hour this time isn't it | 21:04 |
| Laney | spring forward, fall back | 21:04 |
| * czajkowski kicks Laney speak english! no such thing as all | 21:05 | |
| czajkowski | *fall | 21:05 |
| dwatkins | "autumn back" isn't quite as memorable, though | 21:06 |
| Darael | Can we promote "autumn" as a verb synonymous to "fall", just to confuse Merkians? | 21:06 |
| * dwatkins autumns over | 21:06 | |
| AlanBell | apparently they are starting to call it autumn | 21:07 |
| AlanBell | because fall is a silly name for it | 21:07 |
| dwatkins | agreed, AlanBell | 21:07 |
| AlanBell | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19929249 | 21:07 |
| Laney | yeah, the alternative doesn't help me remember :-) | 21:07 |
| * AlanBell would like the Americans to adopt the phrase "chuffed to bits" | 21:08 | |
| czajkowski | it is a silly name | 21:08 |
| * Darael imagines it in an American accent, and shudders. | 21:08 | |
| czajkowski | fall y'all | 21:09 |
| czajkowski | bah | 21:09 |
| dwatkins | I can think of a few english slang phrases that would raise an eyebrow in the US, due to the double meaning of certain words. | 21:09 |
| dwatkins | e.g. to steal a cigarette, in the colloquial form | 21:09 |
| AlanBell | yeah, that is a good one | 21:09 |
| Darael | I'd have translated that one as "beg" rather than "steal", but... | 21:10 |
| Darael | Point stands. | 21:10 |
| dwatkins | yeah, Darael - I used to say 'can I steal one...?' when I meant that. | 21:11 |
| Darael | dwatkins: That was my guess. I do that too. Just thinking that if we're trying to avoid colloquialisms to make meaning explicit, "beg" is probably better. | 21:12 |
| * dwatkins is watching XP being installed, a painful process on a good day but this machine has some kind of hardware problem or driver issues | 21:12 | |
| dwatkins | indeed, Darael :) | 21:12 |
| dwatkins | I suggested they use Linux, but the kid's going to be playing games - I can't wait for Steam to be available with many games for Linux too | 21:12 |
| Darael | Well, except I don't do that with cigarettes. But in analogous situations. | 21:12 |
| * dwatkins gave up stealing them | 21:13 | |
| Laney | czajkowski: help me think what i've forgotten to pack | 21:13 |
| dwatkins | I've gone on holiday without my passport before. | 21:13 |
| czajkowski | Laney: tea bags | 21:15 |
| czajkowski | Laney: adaptor | 21:15 |
| czajkowski | Laney: gaffa tape! | 21:15 |
| Laney | hmm, tea, intriguing | 21:15 |
| Laney | i can't find my adaptors :( | 21:15 |
| AlanBell | dwatkins: I got through security at Heathrow on theopensourcerer's passport once | 21:15 |
| Laney | I swear every trip I buy a new one | 21:15 |
| dwatkins | AlanBell: I assume you look rather different ;) | 21:15 |
| Darael | dwatkins, AlanBell: I've flown on a railcard before. | 21:16 |
| AlanBell | dwatkins: most people don't mix us up | 21:18 |
| dwatkins | Darael: I did consider trying to fly with my driving license as ID. | 21:18 |
| dwatkins | Actually, it was the chunnel, not a flight. | 21:18 |
| Darael | dwatkins: Well, for domestic flights they'll take just about anything. | 21:18 |
| Darael | EU ones are slightly more stringent, but a DL might be enough. | 21:19 |
| dwatkins | yeah, I suspected they might not mind me not actually having a passport as I was staying within Europe, but didn't want to chance it, so rushed home and picked up my passport - got the train in the end, too. | 21:19 |
| Laney | I forgot to put GY!BE on my phone! | 21:20 |
| Laney | criminal | 21:20 |
| dwatkins | Canadian post-rock? | 21:20 |
| Laney | something like that | 21:21 |
| Laney | I Find it accompanies travelling very well | 21:21 |
| czajkowski | Laney: jumper scarf glovs and a hat | 21:25 |
| Laney | yeah got that | 21:27 |
| AlanBell | Laney: something to wear for the Gangnam Style flash mob on Tuesday | 21:27 |
| Laney | O_O | 21:27 |
| czajkowski | :o | 21:27 |
| cocoa117 | how do u make ubuntu go to sleep when idled? | 21:59 |
| AlanBell | cocoa117: click on the battery in the top panel and go to power settings... | 22:01 |
| AlanBell | then you can set different timeouts for battery/AC power | 22:01 |
| mattt | evening all | 22:01 |
| cocoa117 | AlanBell, what about a desktop computer? | 22:02 |
| AlanBell | oh, them! same thing but in the system settings area | 22:02 |
| cocoa117 | AlanBell, can this be done on a server system? | 22:02 |
| AlanBell | erm, maybe, there was some work done on server suspend | 22:03 |
| AlanBell | and the metal as a service stuff might use it | 22:03 |
| czajkowski | right thats the heathrow express booked | 22:03 |
| AlanBell | off tomorrow czajkowski? | 22:04 |
| czajkowski | yarp | 22:04 |
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| dubac0 | hello | 23:53 |
| Darael | Good... morning. | 23:54 |
| dubac0 | oh=? | 23:54 |
| Darael | Clocks don't go back for an hour. It's five to one. | 23:54 |
| dubac0 | and will be for an hour? | 23:55 |
| dubac0 | kan haz time travel | 23:55 |
| dubac0 | :P | 23:55 |
| Darael | Well, it's two to one now. | 23:57 |
| Darael | And in an hour and two minutes, it will be one again. | 23:57 |
| penguin42 | time itself will be reversed | 23:59 |
| dubac0 | Darael, 15 | 23:59 |
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