[00:10] hi [00:29] Anyone know if oracle java has an ARM build? [00:31] heh, you're funny. [00:31] http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/embedded/downloads/javase/index.html [00:31] cool [00:31] so that gets me in browser java on arm? [00:31] * Azelphur grabs that :P [00:31] hmm, so many options [00:32] there's only one headful version, so I suppose that's the one I want? [00:39] haven't the foggiest I'm afraid [00:39] me either [00:39] maybe icedtea will work [00:39] however, 'headful' is a fun word that I may try to use again some time [00:39] xD [00:42] Azelphur: i don't think there's a java browser plugin for ARM [00:43] trying to buy ubercheap servers isn't fun. appears intel have an aversion to stating which chips are EMT64 and which are actually x86_64 [00:43] e.g. firefox doesn't properly support browser plugins on arm [00:43] shauno: er, what's the difference? [00:43] :< [00:44] I don't believe 64bit builds of ubuntu will run on a 6yo xeon that's emt64 but not amd64 [00:44] i kinda got moonlight running on ARM by patching monlight to identify its browser API as "Unknown_Linux" rather than "Linux_i386_gcc34" or something like that [00:45] shauno: i think you're mistaken. [00:45] it's a possibility, especially if you ask my wife. but I'm fairly averse to buying servers off ebay without knowing for sure [00:47] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Older_implementations are all the differences [00:47] i really don't think ubuntu is built not to run on older em64t chips [00:48] and if you order tonight, you can get a new HP server for <£150. http://www.ebuyer.com/281915-hp-proliant-turion-ii-n40l-microserver-100-cashback-658553-421 [00:51] yeah, I've been watching out for those. they haven't run the cashback thing in the republic since december :/ [00:53] oh no, looks like it ran in september too [06:43] Good morning! [07:37] ello [08:11] dwatkins, Looks like they made it ! http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/parallella-a-supercomputer-for-everyone/ [08:20] bootinfdsds: interesting [08:22] bootinfdsds: the little penguin under his TV looks exactly like the one given out to all SGI employees about 7 years ago, perhaps he used to work there. [08:25] What I don't understand about Kickstarter projects like this is why the larger manufacturers aren't already doing this sort of thing. [08:42] dwatkins: because they have the capital already [08:42] or can raise it conventionally [08:42] AlanBell: I mean that I don't know why the bigger manufacturers aren't making this kind of board ;) [08:42] oh, right :) [08:43] Sorry for being ambiguous. [08:43] heh, I was going to drift off into an economics lecture :) [08:43] We had snow yesterday in Doncaster, it's getting properly cold now. [08:44] I do enjoy hearing about economics. Someone pointed out the other day that Apple's prices being high means that people are reassured by them. [08:44] "reassuringly expensive" actually does sell [08:44] yes, it does [08:47] i was pleased to see they made it and shall look forward to receiving my board! [08:47] \o/ [08:48] I'm tempted to get one, christel. [08:48] :D [08:49] I didn't know there was an Ubuntu release for RISC. === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:21] nobody is making a board like that because it is of limited use outside academia [09:22] nobody else needs parallel computing just for the sake of it [09:31] "45GHz CPU" [09:31] i parsed board as beard \o/ [09:31] by their metric an i7 is 24 GHz [09:32] so their 64 core version which doesn't exist yet is twice as good as an i7 [09:33] except that it isn't because their risc core is nowhere near as powerful as an x86, clock for clock. [09:33] so basically if the question is "why is nobody making massively inefficient and point parallel computing devices" i think the answer is obvious [09:36] morning all [09:39] ali1234: for once, we wholeheartedly agree! [09:39] directhex: it's not the first time [09:39] it's a 2-core arm a9, with some crazy vector nonsense on the side. like my first cell for kids [09:40] yep. great for teaching "how to write parallel software" but of little use in the real world, because real hardware is so much better [09:40] dwatkins: the ubuntu OS that comes with it will only run on the ARM cores [09:40] not even useful for that, tbh [09:40] maybe, maybe not [09:41] it's no use for teaching parallel programming, since it can't teach any of the parallel programming paradigms used in real-world scale-up architecture [09:41] why not? [09:41] i.e. it's not openmp or mpi or opencl, therefore it's esoteric single-use nonsense [09:41] they claim it supports openmp and mpi [09:41] pfft [09:41] i'll believe it when i see it [09:41] hint: i won't see it [09:42] directhex, signed up for the valve beta? [09:42] popey: bien sur! [09:42] http://www.valvesoftware.com/linuxsurvey.php [09:42] maybe i misread it [09:43] writing a opencl implementation for it should at least be possible and probably make a nice undergraduate thesis for someone [09:43] opencl i can see it doing [09:43] the architecture doesn't allow for openmp, and memory constraints make it kinda useless for nontrivial mpi [09:43] though if you want opencl to play on, just get a GPU [09:44] but you'd learn more writing an mpi app on a multi-core linux desktop, using the shared memory back-end [09:45] the secret truth about parallel computing is you don't want 64 crap cores. you want 1 super powerful one. every time [09:45] if your app is 99% parallelizable and efficient, on 64 cores, that means 0.99^64 i.e. 52% [09:46] yes. parallel computing is where you go when you've exceeded the limits of what you can do with 1 core. [09:58] good morning everyone. [10:28] This is probably the wrong place to ask this question, but does anyone know of any good deals on laptops at the moment that have good support for ubuntu? [10:29] I had heard that thinkpads generally run linux quite well but don't know whether this is still the case [10:29] I'm thinking in terms of ACPI support for suspend/hibernate specifically [10:30] (I'm assuming that network/sound are generally well supported but I've found that waking from suspend is something which my computer struggles with) [10:56] installing windows 8. restart count: 3 [10:56] so far [10:56] and this is just an inline install [11:17] Jello! [11:18] Straw poll ; how many people have removed unity-lens-shopping ? [11:18] yes [11:19] no [11:19] *GONG* [11:19] was i supposed to? lol ;) [11:21] Not implying a right choice either way, just interested to know peoples opinion and their actions reflect that the best :-) [11:21] I had a quick look and wasn't happy how it worked. There didn't appear to be an 'easy' click here to disable [11:21] * bigcalm_laptop continues with xubuntu and ignorant bliss [11:21] I think it can be dissabled within the privacy settings [11:21] It can, but that takes effort [11:21] doesn't that disable all data from the internet though? [11:22] Or, more effort [11:22] eg the U1 Music Store data source? or have i miss understood that button? [11:23] Off I pop [11:25] i haven't installed 12.10 but if i had, i would remove it === lalmalang is now known as malang [11:27] there wouldn't be any point in me having it installed anyway as I have uninstall unity because it depends on compiz-0.9 which conflicts with compiz [11:30] ahayzen: no, it doesn't disable all data from the internet [11:30] it is just a preference setting that lenses and scopes can decide whether or not to honour [11:31] AlanBell, ah i see thanks [11:31] it actually has almost nothing to do with whether results come from the internet or not [11:31] but it says 'Include online search results' :( [11:32] yeah, it lies [11:32] well, misleads [11:32] yeah [11:32] if you check it then some canonical produced lenses will s [11:32] I thought the dash was a nice feature in 12.04, but then they went and messed it up in 12.10 with the amazon stuff [11:32] if you uncheck it then some canonical produced lenses will stop providing online search results [11:33] bashrc: that is nonsense, it had youtube stuff in 12.04 [11:33] *some* ;) [11:33] not all then [11:33] yes, but the youtube stuff didn't appear in the default search, it was within its own lens [11:33] ahayzen: well, all the default ones I think [11:34] awesome...but it should work as a kill switch for all lenses official or not [11:34] I thought the youtube search was a good feature of 12.04 [11:34] bashrc: true, and I don't like the way they have set the invisible property on the amazon lens [11:35] bashrc: yeah, it is a good feature, as is the amazon lens. Just the "OMG Amazon are getting our search queries!!11!" stuff isn't really news [11:36] don't know if anyone has already seen this http://www.valvesoftware.com/linuxsurvey.php [11:36] all lenses and scopes can listen to your global search queries and do evil stuff with them if they want [11:36] you can today write a scope/lens that displays *nothing* does not appear in the lens bar, does not present any results but listens to every query you type [11:37] amazon in it's own lens would be fine, especially if specific lenses are uninstallable (I almost never use amazon) [11:37] and sends it off to an evil datawarehouse full of "term" and "gedi" and "firef" [11:37] and that evil scope could do it's evil "gedi" harvesting irrespective of your choice in the privacy dialog [11:38] personally I think the non-functional privacy checkbox is the bad thing, the lens itself is fine [11:39] and I don't think lenses should be permitted to set visible=false and hide from the lens bar at the bottom of the dash [11:39] didn't know that could happen [11:39] that is how the amazon lens doesn't show up there [11:40] hidden lenses sending data to who knows where could be pretty bad - imagine what spammers would do with it [11:40] I was trying to find out what the relevant UDS session would be to raise these topics but I don't see a lens thing on the schedule yet [11:41] bashrc: well, I actually can't imagine what spammers would do with "gedi" and "ter" [11:41] but in principal I agree [11:42] personally I don't type high quality harvestable data into the global dash search [11:42] with the possibility of there being more proprietary stuff on ubuntu in future - especially games - it's probably a good idea not to build in features which could allow the user to be tricked [11:43] would be interesting to find out if other people do . . . I could write a simple hidden lens to get some data on this . . . [11:43] argh, I just turned evil didn't I [11:43] where's the black hat... [11:43] any info cn be used as a crib [11:44] or just for traffic analysis [11:46] but anyway that kind of stuff is sufficiently proximal to personal files/documents that it's a potential security issue [11:46] especially if I was using ubuntu in a business context [11:48] i have yet to see a good explanation of how, if i am searching for a video on youtube, it is useful to me to have recipes, news articles, files from my hard disk, and products i can buy on amazon mixed into the search results randomly [11:50] I suppose the Microsoft equivalent would be that anything you type into the windows explorer search box gets sent to Redmond by default. [11:51] yeah [11:51] or google desktop [11:51] or chrome OS [11:53] I think Google Desktop and ChromeOS probably did / do that [11:53] yes, but I think chromeos is not much more than a kernel and a browser [11:54] For similar reasons - Google want all your data with them [11:55] the revenue Canonical earns from integrated amazon search results will be used to bring you more great features like integrated amazon search results [11:55] heh [11:55] but as a linux user I don't want to become the product [11:55] canonical needs revenue streams [11:55] true, but there are better ways of doing it [11:56] without that revenue great features like integrated amazon search results just wouldn't be possible [11:56] if you didn't hand over money for it, then you're the product. applies everywhere. [11:56] anyone know how much Canonical will be getting from including the amazon search results? [11:59] http://xkcd.com/1021/ probably the most insightful cartoon xkcd man ever made [11:59] ahayzen: presumably they're just going to get affiliate money when people buy things from those results [12:00] directhex, yeah...but i wonder what cut they get [12:01] the same cut as anyone [12:01] which is? [12:01] which reminds me i need to make a ubuntu respin with my amazon affiliate account and then seed it on pirate bay [12:02] "up to 10%" [12:02] https://affiliate-program.amazon.co.uk/ [12:03] directhex, thanks...will be interesting how much they get from this per release [12:04] a gorillion dollars! [12:05] him they could get quite a lot [12:07] say there are 5 million unity users (20 million Ubuntu users last time i check - say 25% on 12.10 and unity) .... then say that 10% of them spend £5 on amazon... if that revenue is from the total price and not the profit then Canonical would get £250,000! [12:07] 10% is far too high [12:08] but then £5 is probably too low? [12:08] not really [12:08] dunno was just putting random numbers in to see wht the outcome would be [12:08] not enough to make up for 10% being two orers of magnitude too high [12:09] and then what's the salary for canonical's staff? [12:09] well how many man hours does it take to create and run the servers that power the lens [12:10] So ubuntu included a feature which only 0.1% of its users might actually use? [12:11] when you look at who unity is actually used by, yeah pretty much [12:11] :-) [12:11] basically children, people who are scared of computers, and canonical employees [12:12] that's a bit harsh [12:12] children don't have disposable income. people who are afraid of computers are extremely afraid of online shopping [12:12] harsh but true [12:12] i forgot fanbois [12:12] but if you notice in a lot of the YouTube tech reviews of distros they're usually running virtualbox within ubuntu with unity [12:13] so was it actually worth the hassle/backlash from implementing the feature for the small revenue gain they will get? [12:13] if you notice a lot of those videos are done by 15 year old kids too [12:14] not the ones I watch [12:14] i wouldn't watch a review of a distro done in a virtual machine. i can do that myself. [12:14] i would have personally preferred them to have finished the spread design specification or Local Menus first [12:18] yeah [12:18] so i would estimate that perhaps 50% of ubuntu users are on unity [12:19] of those maybe 25% are on 12.10 [12:19] that's 2.5 million [12:19] assuming 20 million users is at all accurate [12:31] ali1234: the affiliate code isn't present in the desktop it is in products.ubuntu.com === PaulW2U is now known as G4MBY [15:08] Hi all... [15:09] Who's about - and who's got ITV1 tuned in? [15:09] im about but i fear i am watching soccer saturday, whats on itv1? :) [15:19] boo! [15:20] A New Hope... Greedo's just had his nuts fried... [15:21] I just looked at the year of production for that, must admit, its 20 years younger than I thought, I thought it was more 1977, not 1997 [15:24] A New Hope is 1977 originally (although I think it was originally just Star Wars). But Lucas made his CGI changes and re-released it as Star Wars: A New Hope in 1997 [15:24] Yup - it's the SE version that's airing. [15:25] I don't know that it's possible to get ahold of the originals these days [15:26] (unless you know someone with them on VHS who can burn them to CD for you) [15:28] been trying out "other desktops" [gnome & cinnamon]. safely removed cinnamon via a ppa-purge - but it worries me removing gnome-desktop. [15:28] I don't mind the 97 versions. I'm not completely ballistic about the change he later made to part of the end of Return of the Jedi (after the movies I refuse to acknowledge were done), but I prefer the 97 or originals [15:28] is there a guarenteed safe way [15:30] [e.g. synaptic] I'm concerned that a removal might remove Unity / normal desktop stuff as well [15:32] Pendulum - they did see a DVD release in about 2000... [15:32] alexcockell: is that the one where they made the really controversial change? I remembered it being about 2004 [15:33] (and I'd have expected it to be later than 2000) [15:37] I'm sure I've got a vhs video of the original hidden in a box under the stairs [15:37] yeah, it was with the 2004 box set that what I'd call the most controversial change happened to Return of the Jedi (it's the only change I really would prefer to revert to the original, I just didn't go ballistic the way a couple people I know who are Star Wars obsessed did) [15:38] most of the changes I can take or leave and there are a couple from the 97 SE that I think actually make the movies a bit better [15:38] Do you mean the "Wesa free!" line? [15:38] nope [15:39] Oh - I remember - 2004 - Hayden Photoshopped in? [15:39] yeah [15:39] that one [15:39] Didn't get that boxset.. I had the SE on VHS and the silver DVD boxset... [15:41] Oh - and had the two spools of highlights on Super 8 back in the day.. [15:41] nice [15:42] * AlanBell goes to upgrade an Ubuntu Server CD [15:42] somewhere I have a burned version of the Christmas Special, but I don't know if I've ever tried to actually play it [15:42] I streamed it off Youtube... All I could say is OUCH. [15:43] Oh - no - was he Nostalgia Critic review. [15:43] yeah, it was more I was getting it because it was cheap on ebay and to just say I had it for the looks on people's faces ;) [15:51] oh well, I'll take that as a no then [rule 1: without knowledge of outcome... don't do] [15:52] re the Super 8 spools - as I was only 7-8, Dad spliced them into the correct sequence... [15:57] X [16:02] Hiya Bittin.. [16:02] Hiya alan_g [16:02] alexcockell even [17:12] heck, nPower's apparent 9% price rise is actually 19% for me [17:17] penguin42: i'm scared [17:17] early drop in temperatures + significant energy price rises won't bode well for a lot of people [17:19] mattt: I switched to this when my previous fixed gas scheme finished only a month or so ago, there were no fixed ones available, so I went for the cheapest unfixed, and reckoned if it went up by 10% it would still be reasonalbe; what thjey've done is put the supposed average up 9.2% but massively changed the balance between standing rate/unit; this one was good for me precisely because it was a high standing rate [17:22] tihs is curious. 'screen' seems to have exploded on me overnight. and I can't figure out why. after running fine for 200+ days, it's now nagging me constantly. (and it's survived a reboot) [17:22] nagging? [17:23] I keep getting messages across the bottom row, complaining about trying to attach to a bad pid, or /dev/pts/3 not existing [17:23] which is getting annoying because I can't type until they're gone [17:24] is /dev/pts/3 there? [17:25] it's not. it's complained about 4 and 5 too, which are also not there. but I'm not sure what's changed [17:25] that's....odd [17:25] I'm on lucid, so the list of what's changed lately is incredibly small [17:26] sounds like a job for strace [17:27] waiting for it to do it again so I can snag them. but I haven't spotted rhyme nor reason yet, so no idea how long I'll be waiting [17:29] Attach attempt with bad pid(16312)! [17:30] This is the one that's perplexing. I have no idea where it's getting this number from (I rebooted recently, and am only up to pid 4500-ish) [17:30] is pid ordering still deterministic these days? [17:31] they look fairly sequential looking at the contents of /proc [17:31] (I'm not sure if 10.04 counts as 'these days') [17:34] shauno: Have you got multiuser mode enabled? There are a few people saying they got stuff like that with it on [17:35] not that I know of. all I have in my screenrc is 'defutf8 on' [17:37] shauno: looking through the screen source there is a lot of debug that can be turned on in the attacher.c code [17:38] shauno: My best guess is that something is poking the socket in /tmp for some reason [17:39] it does seem something else is actually trying to attach. I just got kicked out of the help screen because my window geometry changed (mine didn't) [17:40] check ps for other running copies of screen that might be trying to attach? [17:40] ah, I have 3 copies of autossh running on my laptop. that won't help. ugh. [17:43] autossh? [17:43] it's meant to sit in the background and try to relaunch ssh whenever it drops, because I use it for tunnels more than anything else [17:44] how does that interact with screen? [17:44] but there really shouldn't be multiple copies running. just killed them all of [17:44] screen's in my .bashrc [17:45] because I'm incredibly lazy :) (although it does check to see if TERM is set to xterm first, else scp tries to attach screen, and life gets miserable) [17:47] but why does it attaching break? [17:49] I'm not sure. I still can't figure out where those pids came from either [17:50] no messages since I killed them and restarted it though. very strange. that's ticked away quite happily for years [17:52] shauno: Almost though the stream of data on the socket got out of sync [17:53] most of these things work so well that I completely forget they're there, and just trust that when I hit my hotkey, screen is there waiting for me [17:53] yeh, things you set up n years ago, forget about, forget how you set them up, until they break [17:54] and then when you see what's happening, you wonder who on earth bodged this all together in the first place [17:54] haha yes :-) [18:46] Hi, having an issue with apt saying that an application depends on 'libglew1.6 (>= 1.6.0) but it is not installable'...but i have libglew1.8 installed...anyone know a way to tell apt to ignore the error or a workaround? Thanks Andy [18:47] ahayzen: what application? [18:47] AlanBell, trying to install vdrift from playdeb repo ;) [18:47] ahayzen: you should be able to install libglew1.6 that is a separate package [18:48] libglew1.8 is a different package to libglew1.6, it isn't a higher version number of the same thing [18:48] AlanBell, it doesn't appear in apt though? [18:48] as far as apt is concerned [18:48] !info libglew1.6 [18:48] and it says it was removed here ... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/amd64/libglew1.6 [18:48] Package libglew1.6 does not exist in quantal [18:49] Wait, playdeb works? How long has that been the case? For months, getdeb and playdeb were both giving me 403s. [18:49] hmm, I appear to have it installed [18:49] i've done a clean install of 12.10 x64 [18:49] I suspect you may be out of luck until the playdeb package gets fixed [18:50] maybe talk to cjwatson who removed it [18:50] he is in #ubuntu-motu [18:50] ok...may try compiling it again see if i can get round the odd permission errors i had last time....thanks [18:50] AlanBell, thanks [19:37] AlanBell, my bad, just realised that the software source says 'precise-getdeb' changed it to 'quantal-getdeb' seems to be installing something now ;) [20:57] evening [20:58] grargh [20:58] so not looking forward to the early start tomorrow [21:01] Laney: how bad is your start? [21:01] also dont forget clocks change [21:02] first train 0744 [21:02] ouch [21:02] oh nasty [21:02] I'll be awake but still [21:02] it takes twice as long to get to the airport than it does to get from there to cph [21:03] clocks back is a shitter indeed [21:03] i think i might not be very fun tomorrow night :P [21:04] isn't that good for you? It means it's really 844 in todays clocks? [21:04] oh wait, it's an extra hour this time isn't it [21:04] spring forward, fall back [21:05] * czajkowski kicks Laney speak english! no such thing as all [21:05] *fall [21:06] "autumn back" isn't quite as memorable, though [21:06] Can we promote "autumn" as a verb synonymous to "fall", just to confuse Merkians? [21:06] * dwatkins autumns over [21:07] apparently they are starting to call it autumn [21:07] because fall is a silly name for it [21:07] agreed, AlanBell [21:07] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19929249 [21:07] yeah, the alternative doesn't help me remember :-) [21:08] * AlanBell would like the Americans to adopt the phrase "chuffed to bits" [21:08] it is a silly name [21:08] * Darael imagines it in an American accent, and shudders. [21:09] fall y'all [21:09] bah [21:09] I can think of a few english slang phrases that would raise an eyebrow in the US, due to the double meaning of certain words. [21:09] e.g. to steal a cigarette, in the colloquial form [21:09] yeah, that is a good one [21:10] I'd have translated that one as "beg" rather than "steal", but... [21:10] Point stands. [21:11] yeah, Darael - I used to say 'can I steal one...?' when I meant that. [21:12] dwatkins: That was my guess. I do that too. Just thinking that if we're trying to avoid colloquialisms to make meaning explicit, "beg" is probably better. [21:12] * dwatkins is watching XP being installed, a painful process on a good day but this machine has some kind of hardware problem or driver issues [21:12] indeed, Darael :) [21:12] I suggested they use Linux, but the kid's going to be playing games - I can't wait for Steam to be available with many games for Linux too [21:12] Well, except I don't do that with cigarettes. But in analogous situations. [21:13] * dwatkins gave up stealing them [21:13] czajkowski: help me think what i've forgotten to pack [21:13] I've gone on holiday without my passport before. [21:15] Laney: tea bags [21:15] Laney: adaptor [21:15] Laney: gaffa tape! [21:15] hmm, tea, intriguing [21:15] i can't find my adaptors :( [21:15] dwatkins: I got through security at Heathrow on theopensourcerer's passport once [21:15] I swear every trip I buy a new one [21:15] AlanBell: I assume you look rather different ;) [21:16] dwatkins, AlanBell: I've flown on a railcard before. [21:18] dwatkins: most people don't mix us up [21:18] Darael: I did consider trying to fly with my driving license as ID. [21:18] Actually, it was the chunnel, not a flight. [21:18] dwatkins: Well, for domestic flights they'll take just about anything. [21:19] EU ones are slightly more stringent, but a DL might be enough. [21:19] yeah, I suspected they might not mind me not actually having a passport as I was staying within Europe, but didn't want to chance it, so rushed home and picked up my passport - got the train in the end, too. [21:20] I forgot to put GY!BE on my phone! [21:20] criminal [21:20] Canadian post-rock? [21:21] something like that [21:21] I Find it accompanies travelling very well [21:25] Laney: jumper scarf glovs and a hat [21:27] yeah got that [21:27] Laney: something to wear for the Gangnam Style flash mob on Tuesday [21:27] O_O [21:27] :o [21:59] how do u make ubuntu go to sleep when idled? [22:01] cocoa117: click on the battery in the top panel and go to power settings... [22:01] then you can set different timeouts for battery/AC power [22:01] evening all [22:02] AlanBell, what about a desktop computer? [22:02] oh, them! same thing but in the system settings area [22:02] AlanBell, can this be done on a server system? [22:03] erm, maybe, there was some work done on server suspend [22:03] and the metal as a service stuff might use it [22:03] right thats the heathrow express booked [22:04] off tomorrow czajkowski? [22:04] yarp === PreciseOne is now known as IdleOne [23:53] hello [23:54] Good... morning. [23:54] oh=? [23:54] Clocks don't go back for an hour. It's five to one. [23:55] and will be for an hour? [23:55] kan haz time travel [23:55] :P [23:57] Well, it's two to one now. [23:57] And in an hour and two minutes, it will be one again. [23:59] time itself will be reversed [23:59] Darael, 15