[04:43] <astraljava> stochastic: Synday, it's been our usual meeting day.
[04:44] <astraljava> Sunday* ;)
[04:45] <astraljava> Not Sinday. That's everyday.
[07:20] <ailo> knome: pad.ubuntu.com? Only Ubuntu devs?
[08:39] <Hypnotoad> ailo: Nope, just need to sign in with launchpad and be in the ubuntu-etherpad "team", comes with being part of a loco and many others.
[08:51] <ailo> Hypnotoad: I see
[08:51] <ailo> Thanks
[08:53] <ailo> Great :)
[09:01] <knome> ailo, hehe. :)
[09:01] <knome> ailo, so, what about that studio session in UDS?
[09:02] <ailo> knome: I can't think of anything to have one about right now. You have any suggestions?
[09:02] <knome> ailo, we don't have specifically targeted sessions either, just "xubuntu R planning"
[09:04] <ailo> knome: I think it's probably enough if I join other sessions, and see how I can contribute to US that way. Only me there from my team, after all. And, since we don't seem to have any specific agenda right now..
[09:05] <knome> well, there's micahg and me who are partly connected
[09:05] <ailo> knome: True
[09:06] <knome> and also, if you schedule a session, you will *definitely* have a room for you
[09:06] <knome> you might have rooms anyway, but...
[09:06] <ailo> knome: I need pad.ubuntu.com access, right?
[09:06] <knome> ailo, yeah probably
[09:07] <ailo> I need to be approved to a team that has access first
[09:07] <knome> ailo, hmm. you are not a ubuntu member?
[09:08] <knome> ailo, oh, you seem to be a member of ubuntu-etherpad
[09:08] <knome> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad
[09:08] <ailo> knome: Ah, great. I was just accepted :)
[09:08] <knome> that's not exactly an exclusive group ;]
[09:08] <ailo> Only took 5 min
[09:08] <knome> yeah
[09:09] <knome> but you only need pad on UDS anyway, not really before
[09:09] <knome> unless you want to prepare content
[09:10] <ailo> knome: I'll be going through the schedule today (been a bit busy before). Need to see what's happening, and so forth. I could add a session for us later during the week
[09:11] <ailo> I'm sure we can cook something up
[09:11] <knome> ailo, the thing is, those sessions are automatically ordered
[09:11] <ailo> Oh, :(
[09:11] <knome> ailo, so it would be best to add it as soon as possible :)
[09:12] <ailo> knome: Right. 
[09:12] <knome> ailo, i think you can fix a meeting as far as "i want this to be on thursday"
[09:12] <knome> (we did that with xubuntu, one session for mon and one for thu)
[09:14] <ailo> knome: Alright. I need to see how things work. With automatic placement one should be able to do: not at the same time as *-session
[09:14] <knome> ailo, should, but i'm not sure if that's possible with the tools they have
[09:15] <knome> ailo, maybe if you're marked as "i REALLY need to attend" for both, it might organize it well for you
[09:15] <knome> ailo, i think i have one or two overlapping stuff that i'm telling i'm attending
[09:38] <ailo> But for some reason, I can't sign in to summit.ubuntu.com cause my username is already signed in there 
[09:38] <ailo> With a different account?!
[09:40] <knome> huhu?
[09:41] <knome> :)
[09:41] <knome> maybe ask #canonical-sysadmin 
[09:43] <ailo> knome: ah, that's a good channel to know about :). I have another launchpad account, which was working now. Don't want to cause confusion, but I'll probably want to change my nick anyway
[09:44] <knome> :)
[09:45] <knome> lunchtime!
[09:45] <knome> brb
[11:16] <ailo> knome: Not going to the yoga lessons? (06.30-08.00) 
[14:18] <holstein> ailo: i didnt mean to imply 64bit was experimental
[14:18] <holstein> ailo: i just find that some things used to be glitchy there.. and are less and less an issue
[14:18] <ailo> holstein: When? Back in 2008?
[14:18] <holstein> ailo: plus i have actual software (light scribe) for example that is 32 bit only
[14:18] <holstein> ailo: 10.04
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Now wait I use 64-bit here
[14:18] <holstein> 10.04 was when i had some "issues" with 64bit
[14:19] <holstein> ailo: i dont have them anymore
[14:20] <ailo> holstein: There may be a few odd applications that aren't supported by Ubuntu/Debian, that may not work on 64bits, or you have to do some work to get them working
[14:20] <ailo> I'd say that's about it
[14:20] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:21] <holstein> ailo: feel free and sell geatano on whichever you choose
[14:21] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:21] <holstein> i was trying to suggest trying 32bit if the 64bit version was failing
[14:21] <holstein> though, i dont think that is the issue for gaetano
[14:21] <holstein> i usually just try teh 32.. unless i feel the 64 is approriate
[14:21] <holstein> and im finding that the 64 is just fine...
[14:21] <ailo> holstein: gaetano is having nvidia driver issues. His card is new, and the drivers a bit old
[14:22] <holstein> ailo: agreed
[14:22] <ailo> Nothing to do with the arch
[14:22] <holstein> ailo: i agree with that as well.. i just thought it might be nice to try both
[14:22] <holstein> if he had tried the 64
[14:22] <holstein> though,, i didnt strongly suggest either to him.. though you are free to do so
[14:22] <ailo> I wouldn't count on him knowing which he has now. His brother installed it for him last week or so
[14:23] <holstein> yup
[14:23] <ailo> Anyway, I'd say 64bit is more or less an acceptable default by now. 
[14:23] <holstein> hopefully you can talk him through the jockey, and it'll "just work"
[14:23] <ailo> No jockey on 12.10
[14:23] <ailo> But, he knows where the drivers are
[14:23] <holstein> ailo: the jockey type thing
[14:24] <holstein> the jockey replacement
[14:24] <holstein> ailo: i dont feel like the 64bit is necessary by default on a netbook
[14:24] <holstein> but, thats just my opinion.. and i know where to get the 32
[14:24] <len-dt> If the netbook has an atom it is 32 bit anyway I think.
[14:25]  * len-dt hasn't looked at the latest netbooks
[14:25] <holstein> len-dt: i was surpised to read that mine was 64bit capable
[14:26] <len-dt> holstein, I thought I had tried the 64 and it failed.
[14:26] <holstein> i can imagine a lot of users who already dont quite understand how to install an operating system loading up a 64bit iso on a 32bit box... ive already seen a few
[14:26] <len-dt> but I am not sure.
[14:26] <ailo> The old generation atoms were not 64bit. I'm sure a lot of the newer ones are. At least AMD
[14:26] <len-dt> I only have 1g ram though
[14:27] <len-dt> ailo, I don't think AMD does atom
[14:27] <holstein> i think since the 32 *is* a safe default, pushing the 64 might be a bit early still... but again, i know where to get the 32
[14:27] <ailo> len-dt: AMD has their own version of that
[14:27] <smartboyhw> Hi len-dt 
[14:27] <ailo> low power processors
[14:27] <len-dt> They do have a low power cpu but I don't know what it is called
[14:27]  * smartboyhw thinks 64 is the best 
[14:28]  * len-dt doesn't have endless money to keep buying new stuff to try.
[14:28] <len-dt> :)
[14:28] <smartboyhw> len-dt, we all know:P
[14:28] <smartboyhw> and we all don't have endless money:P
[14:34] <len-dt> However, quite honestly, my old P4 has been enough for all my uses so far.
[14:35] <len-dt> That said, I have not yet used any softsynths in my recordings
[14:35]  * len-dt is not a KB player
[15:01] <holstein> jta: \o/
[15:01] <jta> ailo: ok, so yes, I do audio and video
[15:02] <holstein> jta: like ailo was saying.. we need some video workflow folks
[15:02] <jta> heya 
[15:02] <jta> yup...well I want to do the integration with jack...let me put this channel on my auto list
[15:02] <ailo> jta: Yeah, it would be great to get some ideas down.
[15:03] <jta> ok, I will automatically join here now
[15:03] <ailo> jta: If there's something that could be done to improve blender on Ubuntu Studio, we should definately look into that
[15:03] <jta> cool..well i have a linux development computer that has plenty of room to make distros also...
[15:04] <jta> ailo for sure, i'm a graphics professional and a minor dev for blender...i'm established in the dev community....
[15:04] <jta> ailo: i do live events, graphics, video and sound.  mostly for corporate general sessions
[15:05] <jta> ok, hey, i need to jump in the shower
[15:05] <ailo> jta: Pretty much anything else but audio development has very low activity right now, something we'd like to change
[15:05] <jta> but hit me up on occasion ailo, i will auto login to this channel every time i am in chat
[15:05] <ailo> jta: So, what's the deal with jack + blender?
[15:05] <holstein> jta:  we are glad to have you! ... see you soon
[15:06] <jta> ok, well i have talked about it with holstein for a while, but I am moving forward on projects that require it to be done..
[15:06] <jta> i am working out of hollywood a lot lately and need a one stop distro to give people...and I will be teaching classes on it....
[15:06] <jta> see you holstein 
[15:07] <jta> ailo...you can use them to sync the timeline with blender and like audacity or others...so when you scrub in blender it shows up in the audio program and visa versa
[15:07] <jta> so it makes audio programs like a plug in for blenders audio sub system...and I have become a developer for the video editing system...so the time is right
[15:08] <jta> the audio sub system is part of the VSE video sequence editor...
[15:08] <jta> I gotta fly guys...
[15:08] <jta> i'll keep the window open for a half an hour more if you got some questions...I'll be back before I leave...
[15:09] <jta> ty holstein your hospitality is one of the things that keeps me coming back
[15:09] <jta> bbiab
[15:09] <holstein> jta: :)
[15:09] <ailo> jta: I won't have much time this week myself, probably. Will be at the UDS, but was just quickly googling, and I need to check some things out first anyway
[15:09] <ailo> Seems like you can compile blender with jack support. 
[15:09] <ailo> I'll add a workitem about checking that
[15:14] <len-dt> ailo, Hmm, starting blender just logged me out
[15:15] <ailo> len-dt: Not for me. Maybe a driver issue?
[15:15] <len-dt> could be. Screen went blank then console then login screen
[15:15] <ailo> opengl, I would think
[15:15] <len-dt> Like x quit
[15:16] <len-dt> As I recall it worked ok in 12.04 (this is 12.10)
[15:16] <len-dt> listening to a demo of Linux Sampler, very impressive.
[15:19] <len-dt> I will do a reboot and try again. There have been a few SW updates since last boot
[15:21] <jta> ailo: what we can do this the official blender build, then I can help with specialty builds from graphic all that will be audio/media based...
[15:21] <jta> i can share my scripts that automatically down load or even some of my documentation that makes things easier
[15:21] <jta> also the new compositor and changes to the VSE make blender a much better video editor
[15:21] <jta> so lots of good things have taken place
[15:23] <jta> so the special builds maybe one extra on the LiveCD and then scripts for those who install on HDD to stay active in the blender community by trying bleeding edge builds
[15:23] <jta> I am also a minor dev in the game engine group...I am working on blender for motion graphics...so that's great for live event/VJay types
[15:25] <len-dt> ailo, same problem after reboot. shows up as an xorg crash.
[15:25] <ailo> jta: We need to do changes to the source as much as possible through the Debian Multimedia Team. We more or less just import their packages to Ubuntu. 
[15:25] <ailo> len-dt: I'd google it. Maybe your HW
[15:26] <ailo> jta: I'm planning on joining that team, but even before that, we should contact them with patches, or ideas first
[15:26] <len-dt> Probably. I chose my Graphics card based on cost. 
[15:27] <ailo> jta: Principally, I guess we're interested in how the software can be used, and if the Debian build allows all the use cases. If not, we try to make it happen
[15:28] <ailo> jta: Also, we need to write some docs about the different workflows
[15:28] <ailo> audio, graphics, video, photography and publishing
[15:28] <len-dt> My thought has been that I don't need fancy graphics. I would think that someone interested in video anything would be much more careful about video hw than I. Also remember that this HW is at least 8 years old.... obsolete
[15:28] <ailo> len-dt: 8 years is a loooong time for a graphic card
[15:29] <ailo> :)
[15:29] <ailo> Mine don't usually survive that long
[15:29] <len-dt> I have a few s3 around too :)
[15:33] <smartboyhw> Wow wow wow
[15:38] <jta> ailo docs about the workflow is exactly what I will help with...that's the the need I have for the distro.  I can give it to someone and they are up and running quickly with the workflow
[15:39] <jta> I work out of Los Angeles and most people there don't have time to play...they are very work and results oriented...
[15:39] <jta> blender runs good on older hardware len-dt 
[15:40] <jta> len-dt: if you have old hardware, blender works great like if you need to make a logo or some simple motion graphics, or a flyer for a concert
[15:40] <len-dt> jta, as I said it ran fine in 12.04. I am not sure what happened here. but then I am running on an external drive right now too.
[15:40] <ailo> jta: Maybe we can cooperate on that then? We are just making up the plans for next release. Here's an overview of the blueprints
[15:40] <jta> that's the idea of blender in ustudio...also for people doing some media production
[15:41] <jta> for sure ailo, i am up for cooperation...
[15:41] <ailo> jta: The ones relevant to you would at least be user docs, and the video workflow
[15:41] <ailo> jta: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/RaringBlueprintsCategories
[15:41] <jta> ok, hey, i gotta run, I have a pretty lady that will be waiting on me if I don't keep moving, lol...
[15:41] <jta> okies got it
[15:41] <ailo> jta: What's your launchpad account name? jta?
[15:42] <jta> should be, i'll have to check
[15:42] <jta> sometimes that's taken and I do a variation...
[15:42] <jta> i gotta fly, i'll be back, ttyl
[15:42] <jta> thanks!
[15:43] <ailo> Would be super great if he could help us out on some of the items
[15:46] <ailo> len-dt: Oh, did you install nvidia drivers (wasn't that the card)?
[15:46] <ailo> len-dt: Maybe a regression?
[15:46] <len-dt> I think there must be a problem with the graphics... I'm using the free driver and it does do some things better...
[15:47] <ailo> len-dt: Must be the driver
[15:48] <len-dt> Just a thought... have we added a work item to update any mention of 12.10 to 13.04?
[15:48]  * len-dt can only think of one right now
[15:49] <ailo> len-dt: update?
[15:49] <ailo> len-dt: I still haven't added old postponed blueprints
[15:49] <len-dt> ya the plymouth text version will need to be changed to 13.04 for sure.
[15:50] <len-dt> I don't think it was in the old blueprints but probably should have been
[15:50] <ailo> len-dt: Sounds like one of those things that should be added to a blueprint template
[15:50] <ailo> len-dt: Adding it
[15:51] <len-dt> We could just change the text to Ubuntu Studio with no version.
[15:51] <len-dt> I don't think the graphic plynouth has a version
[15:55] <ailo> len-dt: Ok. I'll put that down as an item as well
[15:56] <len-dt> speaking of plymouth, the graphics version is one of the things that actually works this cycle... from the live ISO... but not from the installed version. Must be something in the initrd the installed version misses
[15:57] <len-dt> On this hw... works fine on anything else.
[19:26] <len-dt> ailo, (and anyone else) just added some thoughts about upgrades to the list.
[21:05] <holstein> !tty
[21:07] <len-dt> holstein, ok, I think I was aware of that? Thanks for the tip :)
[21:08] <holstein> len-dt: i was grabbing that for another channel :) i didnt think anyone would mind the noise
[21:09] <len-dt> NP... I was just wondering who it was for...
[21:50] <ailo> So, you'd like to SRU the extras to the menu?
[21:53] <ailo> len-dt: ^
[21:54] <len-dt> ailo, actually, I don't think it is import enough....
[21:55] <len-dt> If 12.10 is installed as recommended it won't help
[21:55] <len-dt> So long as we have a web page that recommends fresh install... that is good enough
[21:55] <len-dt> we can always point to it.
[21:55] <len-dt> I want to add them in R
[21:56] <ailo> I'm probably going to attend a session during UDS about derivatives having their own release schedules
[21:57] <ailo> That might be something to discuss, if were to become possible
[21:57] <len-dt> 12 mo?
[21:57] <ailo> Anything we like, probably
[21:57] <ailo> Maybe even not periodic
[21:57] <ailo> Just when we want to
[21:57] <ailo> But that might be dangerous :)
[21:58] <len-dt> ailo, the nice thing about fixed is that it would match ubuntu once in a while.
[21:58] <len-dt> it would be nice to LTS match. Less docs needed
[21:59] <ailo> It's always going to match something pretty well. But, I wonder how well a Studio installation would be when done from a Ubuntu between US releases
[21:59] <ailo> And we don't do any Ubuntu specific docs anyway
[21:59] <len-dt> there is that.