[06:19] <vista_ubuntustud> hi, I am from Germany and want to install ubuntustudio on a thinkpad where vista is preinstalled. During Installation of UbubntStudio 12.04 I chose "Install Ubuntu Studio besides Windows Vista"
[06:20] <vista_ubuntustud> But where would UbuntuStudio be installed? On 44,2 GB or 35,8 GB of my 60 MB HDD?
[06:21] <vista_ubuntustud> I want 60 MB fpr UbuntuStudio and 20 MB for Vista.
[06:21] <vista_ubuntustud> GB
[06:23] <vista_ubuntustud> Sorry, I have a 80 GB HDD and want 60 GB for UbuntuStudio.
[07:01] <ailo> vista_ubuntustud: I've never tried that option, but logically, it will install Ubuntu Studio on the partition that is not Windows Vista
[07:03] <ailo> vista_ubuntustud: Have a look at this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot
[07:21] <vista_ubuntustud> Hi ailo! The problem is that I do not know, where Vista is (will be). On 44,2 GB or 35,8 GB?
[07:23] <ailo> vista_ubuntustud: Either it is already there, and you find out by using any disk utility tool (or My Computer under Vista), or it is not there yet, in which case you should not use the alternative install next to Vista(which should not appear if it is not there), and install Ubuntu to any partition you like
[07:24] <ailo> vista_ubuntustud: There's usually one partition for the Vista installation files as well
[07:24] <ailo> It's not visible under Vista. It's a partition at the beginning of the disk
[07:25] <ailo> Well, any newer Windows installation, usually
[07:25] <ailo> At the beginning of the disk..
[07:25] <vista_ubuntustud> The partition 44,2 GB /35,8 GB is only an proposal of UbuntuStudio. At the moment only Vista is installed.
[07:26] <ailo> vista_ubuntustud: Are you in the live environment?
[07:26] <vista_ubuntustud> no, I had to dissconnect the laptop
[07:27] <vista_ubuntustud> only one internet connection...
[07:27] <ailo> vista_ubuntustud: I mean, are you booted into the "Try Ubuntu" live session?
[07:27] <ailo> That should be Try Ubuntu Studio..
[07:28] <ailo> I recomend you do that before installing
[07:28] <vista_ubuntustud> no, this computer is off at the moment
[07:28] <vista_ubuntustud> no, not the live version...
[07:29] <vista_ubuntustud> I wanted to install directly
[07:29] <ailo> vista_ubuntustud: Well, I recommend you use the live environment
[07:29] <ailo> vista_ubuntustud: Here's what you do
[07:30] <ailo> vista_ubuntustud: Boot into the live environment. Open the file manager (nautilus). mount all the extra partitions you see at the side view
[07:30] <vista_ubuntustud> I could try that, but probably I have to answer the same question there....
[07:30] <vista_ubuntustud> There are no extra partiotions. Only Vista ist installed.
[07:30] <ailo> vista_ubuntustud: Use a disk utility tool (Disks on 12.10, disk utility on 12.04) and see what the names for the partitions are, i.e. /dev/sd*
[07:31] <ailo> vista_ubuntustud: If you don't have an empty partition for Ubuntu Studio, you'd first have to create one
[07:32] <ailo> vista_ubuntustud: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoResizeWindowsPartitions
[07:32] <vista_ubuntustud> yes, ubuntustudio will create one, but is it the 44,2 GB or the 35,8 GB partiton?
[07:33] <ailo> vista_ubuntustud: Ubuntu Studio will not create a partition. You will have to choose one, if there is one available
[07:33] <ailo> vista_ubuntustud: If you read what I wrote, you will find out how to decide which one to choose
[07:34] <ailo> vista_ubuntustud: I recommend you read through this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot
[07:35] <vista_ubuntustud> If I say: yes, install...  will ubuntustudio on 44.2 GB or on 35,8 GB?
[07:35] <ailo> vista_ubuntustud: How could I know? I have not used a disk utility tool on your computer to find out
[07:36] <vista_ubuntustud> the utility can show nothing, because inly vist is installed at the moment
[07:36] <vista_ubuntustud> only vista
[07:37] <vista_ubuntustud> I will try the live version and I hope the installtion dialoge will be better...
[07:37] <ailo> vista_ubuntustud: I advice you go to #ubuntu to ask about this sort of problem. U
[07:37] <ailo> vista_ubuntustud: We, the Ubuntu Studio devs don't deal a lot with dual partition on Windows systems. Besides, this is the same on all Ubuntu versions
[07:37] <vista_ubuntustud> I went to Ubuntu forum and got no answer so far...
[07:38] <ailo> Well, be patient. I'd rather wait before messing things up by mistake :)
[07:39] <vista_ubuntustud> It seems that I am the only person who installs UbuntuStudio 12.04 on Vista preinstalled..
[07:43] <vista_ubuntustud> thank you for your time! :-)
[08:03] <MarcOChapeau> Hey everyone :)
[08:04] <MarcOChapeau> quick question: is anyone here a hdsp multiface user ?
[08:37] <ailo> MarcOChapeau: You could try asking on some other channels, such as #opensourcemusicians
[08:50] <MarcOChapeau> ailo: yeah but I had an ubuntu specific question
[08:51] <MarcOChapeau> trying to determine if I have a driver issue or a hardware issue
[08:51] <ailo> MarcOChapeau: Well, that's not Ubuntu Studio specific though
[08:51] <ailo> MarcOChapeau: What kind of issue do you have?
[08:57] <ailo> MarcOChapeau: Actually the best resources for info I'd say are the Linux User Mail list, and a few forums, like the ubuntu forum. I'll gladly answer any question you have though
[10:06] <gaetano_> i tried to add PPA and i got these errors : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1309180/
[10:10] <gaetano_> what it means?
[10:15] <gaetano_> ailo: hi! u there?
[10:19] <ailo> gaetano_: Seems to be some problem with the gpg gey that belongs to that PPA.
[10:19] <ailo> gaetano_: You should google about the PPA and the key
[10:19] <ailo> gaetano_: Or, just contact the person who has the PPA (there's usually an email on their launchpad page)
[10:19] <gaetano_> ailo: now i cant even open ubuntu software center...
[10:20] <ailo> gaetano_: If you want to remove the PPA, just remove it from /etc/apt/sources.d/<my_ppa>
[10:20] <ailo> Then do: sudo apt-get update
[10:20] <ailo> gaetano_: That will get things back to normal
[10:21] <gaetano_> ailo: ok, gonna do it
[10:21] <ailo> Don't forget to contact the PPA owner
[10:21] <gaetano_> ailo: what do u think if i uninstall ubuntu and reinstall it again!?
[10:22] <gaetano_> ailo: because i think its a mess
[10:22] <ailo> gaetano_: If you want, install the newer version. It might be better for you: Ubuntu Studio 12.10
[10:22] <ailo> Better graphic card support, probably
[10:22] <ailo> not for ATI card though :)
[10:23] <gaetano_> ailo: yes..i think its better at this point. what version are u using?
[10:23] <ailo> gaetano_: https://ubuntustudio.org/download/
[10:23] <ailo> I use many versions, since I am a developer. But, I'm on 12.10 right now. It's a good release
[10:24] <MarcOChapeau> ailo: Yep I know it's not ubuntu specific, but I'm wondering if I'm not hitting an alsa driver bug. of, and I know the LAU and LAD lists. I'm the mailman for those :)
[10:26] <gaetano_> ailo: thanks! kind as always!
[10:26] <ailo> MarcOChapeau: What kind of problem are you having?
[10:26] <ailo> gaetano_: Good luck
[10:30] <gaetano_> ailo: whats ATI card?
[10:31] <ailo> gaetano_: Radeoen, AMD, ATI
[10:31] <ailo> gaetano_: Not nvidia
[10:33] <gaetano_> ailo: what u think it could be that the ubuntu center software doesnt run?
[10:37] <MarcOChapeau> ailo: ok, when recording I see sound in hdspmixer, but nothing in ardour. when playing sound, I see stuff comming out of ardour but nothing on the hdspmixer metters. I did check my jack connections :) also I did a few tests without jack with just aplay (paul davis gave me this advice). It is one good way to find out if you're having an alsa driver issue or if it is jack related
[10:50] <gaetano_> ailo: the link for the ubuntu downolad says : "Release notes
[10:50] <gaetano_> Ubuntu Studio 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin is the current recommended Long Term Support release for production machines requiring maximum stability."
[10:51] <gaetano_> ailo: what why they cecommend it?
[11:07] <gaetano_> ailo: what kind of developer are u?
[11:13] <ailo> MarcOChapeau: I think you might have the HW levels muted, or set to lowest. There should be a specific HW mixer for your device, available in the Ubuntu Studio menu under Audio and Mixers. Also, the generic alsa mixer should probably work too
[11:14] <ailo> On my device, which is a M-Audio Delta 66, I need to raise levels for my ins and outs before getting audio. they are always muted by default
[11:15] <ailo> I use mudita24, which is a mixer for devices with that chip
[11:27] <ailo> gaetano_: LTS is mainly important if you are running a server, or perhaps the Ubuntu desktop. It's really not that revelevant.
[11:28] <ailo> gaetano_: 5 years support, compared to 2 years
[11:31] <gaetano_> ailo: this is the error about software center: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1309348/
[12:01] <gaetano_> ailo: and..what Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". means?
[13:28] <ailo> gaetano_: I told you about the software center. Remove the PPA, and then do: sudo apt-get update
[13:30] <gaetano_> ailo: ah ok sorry...
[13:30] <ailo> gaetano_: The PPAs are located in the dir /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[13:31] <ailo> * is whatever PPA you have added'
[13:31] <gaetano_> ailo: im gonna install ubuntustudio 12.10 now. i want to see if this time everything will be good. i let u know
[13:31] <ailo> gaetano_: Yeah, let's hope so :)
[13:32] <gaetano_> ailo: :)
[13:34] <gaetano_> ailo: what i coose, 64 bit or 32 bit for installation?
[13:35] <holstein> if i had issues with the 64, i would try the 32
[13:35] <holstein> not much difference these days as far as compatibility
[13:35] <holstein> i usually let the use case dictate if i use 64bit
[13:36] <gaetano_> holstein: ok
[13:36] <holstein> like my netbook could use a 64bit OS.. but i feeel the overhead wouldnt be worth it.. and i have 2 gb memory
[13:37] <holstein> but, my audio production machine has 8gb's of ram... and i want the 64bit
[14:13] <ailo> gaetano_: 64bit is just fine
[14:14] <ailo> holstein: The PAE kernel, which is default for 32 bit systems can handle big RAM
[14:14] <ailo> But, I don't think there are very many cases these days when you'll feel 64bit was a bad idea
[14:14] <holstein> yup... i was thinking more of the argument that having 64bit on smaller ram would be bad
[14:14] <ailo> There are a few applications here and there, like banking apps and stuff like that, which may be problematic
[14:15] <ailo> Ah, yeah. 2GB and 64bit is not a very good idea
[14:15] <holstein> i dont feel my netbook would benefit from 64bit
[14:15] <holstein> but my server with only 2gb's.. i tried 64bit there
[14:15] <holstein> i cant say that i care enough to notice. or notice enough to care
[14:16] <ailo> But then, I don't think 2GB is a lot even on 32bit
[14:16] <gaetano_> im installing 12.10 version guys!!!
[14:16] <gaetano_> :)
[14:16] <holstein> i usually just grab the 32.. unless im feeling adventerous... then i grab the 64.. and im being les surprised with issues by the 64bit version
[14:16] <ailo> A server won't need more than 1GB, if it's just a simple personal server
[14:17] <smartboyhw> gaetano_, good:D
[14:17] <holstein> ailo: the "test" install of ubuntstudio 12.10 that im running is 64bit... works great.. everything out of the box
[14:17] <ailo> holstein: 64bits is being proposed as the default medium for Ubuntu. It's not experimental in any way
[14:19] <gaetano_> after the installation of 12.10 version i need to add PPA!?
[14:19] <smartboyhw> gaetano_, PPA of what?
[14:19] <ailo> gaetano_: I don't think so
[14:19] <ailo> gaetano_: The nvidia driver is quite up to date on 12.10
[14:20] <gaetano_> ailo:NVIDIA geforce drivers
[14:21] <gaetano_> smartboyhwNVIDIA geforce drivers
[14:22] <smartboyhw> !?
[14:24] <studio-user055> hi
[14:24] <ailo> studio-user055: hey
[14:24] <smartboyhw> studio-user055, welcome!
[14:24] <studio-user055> just installing ubuntu studio..
[14:25] <smartboyhw> studio-user055, good
[14:26] <studio-user055> anyone here knows how to connect Scarlett Focusrite..
[14:27] <studio-user055> i want to link focusrite here at ubuntu studio
[14:27] <smartboyhw> studio-user055, who?
[14:27] <studio-user055> focusrite for recording..
[14:28] <smartboyhw> studio-user055, oh.... ailo you use that?
[14:28] <ailo> studio-user055: Have you been at ffado.org?
[14:28] <studio-user055> not yet..
[14:28] <ailo> studio-user055: You'll find some info on firewire support on Linux there
[14:28] <studio-user055> ok.. thank you..
[14:29] <ailo> studio-user055: When you know it's supported, and you're ready to use the device, check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204#Starting_Jack
[14:30] <ailo> studio-user055: You'll be using the ffado-mixer most probably to set volumes for the device
[14:31] <studio-user055> thanx for the info.. it will be a big help for me..
[14:33] <ailo> studio-user055: Have a look around at the community docs also. You'll find a lot of info there, especially about where else to look for info
[14:33] <ailo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio
[14:36] <studio-user055> is ardour DAW included in Ubuntu Studio full version? or limited?
[14:37] <holstein> studio-user055: there is only one version.. and ardour is on it
[14:37] <holstein> studio-user055: ardour is in most major distro repositories... if you were to install debian/ubuntu, you can just sudo apt-get install it
[14:40] <studio-user055> so it means i can use all the features of ardour when i'm done installing ubuntu studio..? sorry for the question.. i'm just so excited to have a quick response here rather than to search the answer on the net.. hehe..
[14:40] <holstein> studio-user055: installing/using ardour will be easy, relatively
[14:41] <holstein> studio-user055: if you've never used ardour or a DAW, then there will be a learning curve
[14:41] <holstein> the first challenge for you is going to be JACK and using the firewire interface
[14:41] <holstein> as a firewire user, i suggest not learning all of this at once.. i say, load up the ubuntustudio live CD.. poke around.. try and get JACK running on the internal sound card
[14:42] <studio-user055> ok.. so i have to figure out Jack first..
[14:42] <holstein> play around a bit there... read about the ffado support for your firewire card.. try and get JACK running from there... then install
[14:43] <studio-user055> actually im installing ubuntu studio now.. i'm just waiting for it to finish updating.. and i'm using the liveCD now..
[14:44] <smartboyhw> studio-user055, good
[14:44] <studio-user055> i used ubuntu desktop before.. but not the studio version..
[14:44] <holstein> studio-user055: i typically test for hardare compatibilty before installing.. like to see that all the graphics hardware and audio hardware is compatibile before installing... see what is suppoted out of the box
[14:45] <holstein> studio-user055: ubuntustudio is ubuntu.. just customized
[14:45] <studio-user055> it's amazing..
[14:47] <studio-user055> i wanna be free from windows.. hehehe.. that's why i want to figure out the things i do with windows and do it here..
[14:48] <studio-user055> 10mins more to finish..
[14:49] <holstein> studio-user055: i am "free of windows" but it took a while to migrate my audio studio
[14:49] <holstein> i need to be doing work and just switching one day wasnt an option
[14:50] <holstein> it took months of preperation and testing...
[14:50] <studio-user055> hehe.. good for you.. i hope this will be good for me too..
[14:51] <holstein> studio-user055: i did a presentation at my LUG called "linux is not magic"
[14:51] <holstein> i think its a good idea to keep things in perspective... i personally dont choose to use linux because its "free of charge".. i prefer it
[14:52] <holstein> i think anything you can do to ease the transition... take the time to do it
[14:52] <holstein> dont expect to just fire up the desktop and "get to work"
[14:52] <studio-user055> i keep that in mind.. thanx..
[14:53] <holstein> you wouldnt epect that of any other platform.. those platforms dont even come with all the tools included anyway
[14:53] <holstein> expect*
[14:53] <julian_c> Nor are said tools so readily available.
[14:54] <studio-user055> i'll bear that in mind..
[14:54] <studio-user055> got to go.. thanx for the tim..
[14:54] <studio-user055> time..
[15:00] <jta> ok I'm here
[15:00] <jta> holstein:
[15:01] <jta> ailo: so you have been working on it recently?
[15:01] <holstein> jta: you should join #ubuntustudio-devel
[15:01] <jta> k
[15:38] <Guest44778> hello
[15:39] <Guest44778> I am sooooo new to this...
[16:47] <heart-rythms> Can someone help me with my jack and laditray ??
[18:17] <wip> woah NICE !!! i really like the new version of ubuntu-studio. i made myself a gift yesterday... and bought a computer only for audio, it's fast as hell and i can finally have latency under < 10 ms - before my laptop was not fast enough. thx
[18:17] <wip> i just have 1 problem... hd4000 = 1/4 times the computer boot with a blank screen... i can go in hit ctrl+alt+f1 to go in console. but trying to startx = failed
[18:18] <wip> anyone heard something about this issue?
[18:19] <len-dt> wip I am not sure I know what you are saying.
[18:19] <len-dt> Sounds like a part boot
[18:20] <len-dt> but I don't know what the hd4000 is about
[18:23] <wip> i don't have a graphic card, only a CPU with built-in graphic (HD4000)
[18:24] <wip> when booting ubuntu-studio, sometimes it works (i see xfce) but most of the times i just get a blank screen
[18:24] <len-dt> Ah, ok. This will not be a Ubuntu Studio only problem then.
[18:25] <wip> depends, might be related to kernel 3.5?!?
[18:25] <len-dt> Have you by chance tried the vanilla Ubuntu? (desktop)
[18:25] <wip> no, went directly to ubuntu-studio :)
[18:26] <len-dt> All the Ubuntus have the same kernel. The lowlatency kernel is one setting difference from generic.
[18:26] <wip> will troubleshoot, but maybe someone here is using hd4000 (i heard about setting a thing in grub)
[18:26] <wip> ok thx
[18:26] <len-dt> Ok, Did you have any boot problems with the live dvd?
[18:26] <wip> not at all !
[18:26] <wip> i think it's related to the driver (intel) / X11 conf
[18:27] <wip> maybe the live dvd was using a generic graphic driver
[18:27] <len-dt> Hmmm, I have something like that with my old (8 years or more) Nvidia card
[18:27] <len-dt> The live ISO comes with lowlatency as well
[18:27] <wip> what is very odd is that sometimes it boots fine!
[18:27] <len-dt> In my case the screen blanks but comes back to the login screen when x starts
[18:28] <wip> yep, but i don't think that the live ISO boots with the intel driver (video)
[18:28] <len-dt> Yes.
[18:28] <wip> will ask around!
[18:28] <len-dt> The live ISO "should" be the saem as a normal login.
[18:29] <len-dt> I have found though that there are some differences in the initrd file
[18:29] <len-dt> The initrd file in the ISO seems to work better than the one generated by the installed version.
[18:29] <len-dt> This is something I want to investigate.
[18:30]  * wip is on google trying to find a solution
[18:31] <len-dt> wip, this should be a common to all ubuntu problem as that part of things happens before any xfce specific things happen.
[18:42] <gaetano_> ailo: during the installation of ubuntu 12.10 i got the following error: tracker gave HTTP response code 0. what does that means?
[19:01] <heart-rythms> hello can someone help me ?
[19:03] <len-dt> Please state the area where you need help. Not all of us know everything :)
[19:07] <heart-rythms> treu
[19:08] <heart-rythms> i use ubuntu studio. i woud like to broadcast my whole studio sound. i did set up my jack in laditray. it worked for a 5 minutes after that my jack got sick. it didnt start. after some help around here no one founds a solution so i reinstalled ubuntu studio and everything is fine again. Now i want to ask if someone can help me to config jack and laditray the correct way before it happens again
[19:12] <Len-nb> I have not used ladi at all or sessions really. There are some who have though. ailo and falktx come to mind.
[19:13] <Len-nb> I think they are both probably asleep by now though.
[19:13] <heart-rythms> ailo did help me earlier but i think he is away at the moment
[19:13] <heart-rythms> yes i think
[19:13] <Len-nb> it is quite late at night where he is
[19:14] <heart-rythms> do u know about qjack ?
[19:14] <ailo> I don't use ladi either
[19:14] <heart-rythms> aah hi ailo
[19:14] <ailo> I'm mostly using puredata. Seldom touch anything else
[19:14] <heart-rythms> i managed to get jack working back
[19:14] <heart-rythms> i reinstalled ubuntu studio
[19:15] <ailo> heart-rythms: I saw. I'd advice you to google about ladi documentation
[19:15] <heart-rythms> but now no sound because it isnt set up
[19:15] <ailo> I'm sure there's some help section in the program too
[19:15] <ailo> heart-rythms: As someone suggested, might be best to learn how to use jackd first
[19:15] <heart-rythms> i got documentation from a really old version on the site of laditray self and nothing found on google
[19:15] <ailo> heart-rythms: Start with jackd, and learn how to get sound
[19:15] <heart-rythms> jackd isnt in my program list
[19:15] <ailo> heart-rythms: Which device did yous tart jack with?
[19:16] <heart-rythms> i got qjackctl
[19:16] <heart-rythms> what u mean with wich device ?
[19:16] <ailo> heart-rythms: qjackctl starts jackdbus by default, but if you disable dbus support in "Setup" -> "Misc", it will start jackd instead
[19:16] <ailo> heart-rythms: device == audio card
[19:16] <heart-rythms> yes u want to know wich card i have ?
[19:17] <heart-rythms> or...?
[19:17] <ailo> heart-rythms: You have at least two devices. Each time you restart your computer, they may change places. You remember? hw:0, hw:1
[19:17] <heart-rythms> yes
[19:17] <ailo> heart-rythms: I'm a bit busy now, but try to learn about starting jack and getting sound first
[19:17] <heart-rythms> jack is set to dummy right now. My soundcard is always hw0 it is onboard. next is my hdmi sound output on my video card as hw1
[19:17] <ailo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204
[19:18] <heart-rythms> ty
[19:18] <ailo> heart-rythms: As I said, there is no garantee your onboard is hw:0. Every time you boot, they might be at different places
[19:18] <ailo> heart-rythms: If jack is set to dummy, that means you are not using any driver
[19:18] <heart-rythms> true
[19:18] <ailo> heart-rythms: The dummy is a dummy driver
[19:19] <ailo> heart-rythms: Just for testing
[19:19] <ailo> heart-rythms: You need to use alsa
[19:19] <heart-rythms> i know i try the tutorial i did before
[19:19] <heart-rythms> it did worked for 5 minutes
[19:19] <heart-rythms> maybe i did sometinh wrong
[19:19] <ailo> heart-rythms: It worked for 5 min with alsa?
[19:19] <heart-rythms> yes alsa driver
[19:19] <heart-rythms> basic setup for capture and playback
[19:20] <ailo> heart-rythms: If you keep having problems, do try your pci card
[19:20] <heart-rythms> noting special
[19:20] <heart-rythms> yes then i need to buy new one
[19:20] <heart-rythms> so il try it one more time
[19:20] <heart-rythms> ty for help
[19:22]  * ailo sighs at trying to get ATI graphics to work
[19:22] <ailo> My card is not supported anymore. It's not even that old
[19:26] <ailo> Trying catalyst 9.3 on Precise :O
[20:37] <wip> len-dt: found my problem: lightdm!
[20:37] <wip> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1066410
[20:38] <len-dt> wip, O goody. Is that specific to your video card then?
[20:39] <wip> no, i think it's because my new computer is too fast :)
[20:40] <wip> needs to add sleep 2! i have a SSD / sata 6
[20:41] <wip> without the sleep 2 i didn't even see the ubuntu studio logo at boot time
[20:42] <contrapunctus> lol wip :))
[21:03] <len-dt> wip thankyou for finding that. I'll try to remember in case someone else asks.