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dubac01000:00
DaraelAlternatively, we'll stop using British Silly Time and revert to /reasonable/ time.00:00
dubac0yeah time will always be relitive00:00
dubac0buzz_, who'd your isp? ipv6 i notice00:00
buzz_virgin media - im using a hurricane electric tunnel for ipv600:01
DaraelTrue, but as long as we're going to use the hours, minutes, and seconds we /do/, with the convention that the zero-mark is midnight and the twelve-mark noon, we might as well /stick/ to that.00:01
buzz_http://tunnelbroker.net/00:01
DaraelHE are excellent.  They do a free DNS hosting service, too.00:02
dubac0we? lest i don't use them often, only when i have meetings etc and connections with the */real/* world00:02
buzz_yeh. i use that also :)00:02
dubac0which is reprohesablly fake and plasic00:02
dwatkinsWhy not simply have everyone use GMT? ;)00:04
DaraelI'd rather use UTC, even if it /is/ always within a second of GMT.00:04
dwatkinsI must admit I don't know the difference.00:05
DaraelBut yes, time zones are also silly.  Just not as silly as daylight "saving" time.00:05
dwatkinsquite00:05
dwatkinsas if by magic, it gets lighter at a particular time of day for your safety, thus making another part of the day darker.00:05
dubac0Darael, when? when is it within one second of gmt?00:06
Daraeldubac0: UTC is /always/ within one second of GMT.00:06
DaraelThe industry in this country that gets the biggest benefit isn't even the one that's usually held up as the reason.  It's not the farmers, it's the charcoal burners, from people having more barbies in the "longer" evenings.00:07
dubac0Darael,  :/ spotify know i am in student digs00:14
dubac0they play adverts to me for local student deals00:14
dwatkinsthat's easy, they see your ip address00:14
DaraelGeoIP databeses are a thing that exists.00:15
dubac0dwatkins, no, they see a swedish vpn00:15
DaraelWell, actually, they aren't, but they would be if one substituted an a for an e.00:15
dubac0_see00:20
penguin42ooh01:00
penguin42ahh01:00
* penguin42 had better go to bed before it gets late again01:10
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dubac0_ i'd like others to remember that i live by a philosophy, a principle really and that I believe that...that if you can do good things with the world, you had a moral obligation to do those things, weather it be volunteering 10% of the free time you have or 10% of the disposable income one has after saving 10%03:33
dubac0_or simply sitting on an irc channel helping folks with Ubuntu03:33
dubac0_:D03:33
LaneyURHGURHGURHGR06:59
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czajkowskiLaney: morning :)09:34
popeymorning09:39
SuperEngineero/09:45
SuperEngineerwas there a net split earlier on? [clue, UUK only showed 7 users!]09:47
danfishmorning10:10
popeyyo10:10
danfishthere's an old adage in carpentry - measure twice, cut once10:10
danfishin soldering it's "lay out components twice, solder once, then desolder and suffer finger burns ;)"10:11
danfishpopey: you off to UDS?10:12
popeyalready here10:13
popeybeen here a week10:13
danfishah! Having fun?10:13
TheOpenSourcerermorning.10:14
danfishTheOpenSourcerer: morning!10:14
TheOpenSourcererI've just upgraded wifey's pc with new mobo and proc etc. And stupidly I installed 12.10 on it.10:15
TheOpenSourcererJust discovered bug 1064962 How on earth this did get out before release?10:16
lubotu3Launchpad bug 1064962 in indicator-appmenu (Ubuntu Quantal) "Global menubar items do not work when opening a document directly from nautilus with no LibreOffice instance running" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106496210:16
TheOpenSourcererNo menus on LO10:16
TheOpenSourcererFFS10:16
* popey looks10:16
danfishoops10:16
TheOpenSourcererEverything was going so well until that point.10:17
TheOpenSourcerer:-(10:17
popeydo you have lo on the launcher?10:17
popeyicons in the launcher for writer, calc, impress10:17
TheOpenSourcererYes.10:17
TheOpenSourcererIf I start LO first, then open something, the menu appears but there are no dropdown items in it ;-)10:18
TheOpenSourcererCan I install something to put the menu back in the LO app window?10:19
popeybrb10:19
popeyneed to reboot10:19
bootinfdsdsHawaii tsunami false alarm !10:21
popey!ping10:22
lubotu3another contentless ping... sigh...10:22
popeyTheOpenSourcerer, do you have lo-menubar installed10:27
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TheOpenSourcererdunno popey - it's a default install. Hang on will check. (same monitor for this and her machine whilst I'm testing. need to switch inputs)10:32
TheOpenSourcererdependency issue. Can't install it because of libreoffice-gtk or something.10:33
TheOpenSourcerernm - it seems if you start calc first then run round the room naked three times singing "I'm a Nudy" the menu then works.10:36
AlanBellcorrelation does not imply causation10:38
SuperEngineerunless correlation is repeated by peer group.... volounteers anyone?10:41
brobostigongood morning everyone,10:45
popey!ping11:13
lubotu3another contentless ping... sigh...11:13
popeyhmm11:13
popeyali1234, how was it you did the maximise flash on a second screen thing?12:03
popeyand does it work with chrome?12:03
ali1234popey: more information needed12:04
popeyyou made something that lets you have flash maximised full screen on dual screen, and not de-maximise when you click on second screen iirc?12:05
ali1234there is nothing in the code which allows you to select a monitor12:05
ali1234the focus patch is not applied12:05
ali1234i'm waiting for the athor to rebase but looks like he isn't going to12:06
ali1234on chrome you can only use the primary monitor12:06
popeyin hotel room with browser on external display (TV) watching stuff, want to work on laptop with tv on12:06
ali1234well if you can change the xorg config so that the tv is the primary monitor then it will work, if you apply the patch12:07
popeyahh12:07
ali1234also if you use firefox it will work, but again only if you apply the patch12:07
popeygotcha12:08
ali1234https://github.com/ali1234/fullscreenhack/pull/512:08
ali1234in fact under chromium you won't be able to open the fullscreen flash on anything but the primary monitor, because that is how pepper api works12:09
ali1234*chrome12:10
ali1234you only need top copy in the XSelectInput function really, i guess12:12
ali1234not sure what side efects this has12:12
Laney3g isn't fast enough here to downoad TTOI12:40
* Laney weeps12:40
Laneywhile going through security is a bad time to discover your laptop failed to suspend and is burning hot12:44
popeyoops12:54
Laneyseems ok though12:55
stgraberas long as your battery doesn't explode while at the security checkpoint, you're fine ;) (oh, and don't mention someone could get it to explode, they apparently don't like being told that ;))12:55
Laneyand apw is getting the same flight as me, so I can abuse him :-)12:55
Laneyah we just got notice that the flight is delayed until 10500 (1 hour)12:56
Laney150012:57
stgraberoh, so we may end up landing around the same time then. Assuming Swiss doesn't screw up anything else (my initial flight was canceled), I should arrive around 18:00 in Copenhagen12:58
stgraber(got an extra hop in Frankfurt, so there's still potential for failure there too...)12:58
Laney18:0 would be right if the duration stays the same12:59
Laneyreally need to find some proper bandwidth12:59
stgraberairport lounge?12:59
stgraber(though the one I'm in at the moment had sucky internet, switched to 3G which is surprinsgly fast considering I'm in a pretty crowded airport)13:00
stgraberanyway, boarding in 10min, better go check where my gate is. See you guys later13:00
popeysafe flights all!13:01
Laneytata13:01
matttafternoon13:10
penguin42hey mattt13:24
matttpenguin42: how goes it ?13:52
penguin42yeh ok13:52
SuperEngineerHmm... UDS = Ubuntu Drinking Session perhaps? ;)15:02
Pendulumthat's fairly accurate15:03
SuperEngineerI wonder if they've got as far as singing "wonderful, [hic] wonderful Copen[hic]hagon" yet?15:07
czajkowskiwhoo Nexus 7 bought :D16:20
SuperEngineerczajkowski: how much? I'm getting tempted16:23
penguin42czajkowski: Hehe16:23
czajkowskiSuperEngineer: 168 at airport16:23
czajkowski2 guys overheard me buying one16:23
czajkowskiand then asked do you have more16:24
czajkowskithe guy goes we have 1216:24
czajkowskitwo guys take 2 :D16:24
SuperEngineerhpe one of ythose for me!16:24
SuperEngineer*hope of of those was for me16:24
czajkowskihah16:25
czajkowskiit;s 169 in shops but all the dixons close to me were sold out16:25
SuperEngineernever found out at my local dixons... the [saturday] salesperson was confused "is that a radio sir?"16:27
SuperEngineerhurumph16:27
czajkowskioh the HMV person was like whats that16:28
czajkowskiI went if you dont know16:28
czajkowskiyou dont have them16:28
SuperEngineercorrect16:28
penguin42czajkowski: I wouldn't bet on that, probably not the smartest cookies16:28
penguin42czajkowski: Well, compared to Dixons....16:28
SuperEngineerbest fun Iever had was going to PcWorld, finding a netbook running Linux & asking "will this run a Linux system?"...16:31
SuperEngineer[I think you guess the answer]16:31
czajkowskiah I dont like to torment people either16:32
SuperEngineer;)16:32
czajkowskithats their job  no point i rubing salt in the wounds when they dont know stuff16:32
czajkowskiI'd rather show them something than ridicule them16:33
SuperEngineer..the poor guy was given a full explanation... been back since & the man now runs Ubuntu on his home PC!16:34
SuperEngineerif I go there now & he's not in... I go back out again & wait for when he's back16:35
czajkowski<-- flight16:35
ali1234if your one job is to answer customer's questions about your products... and you fail at that... you deserve ridicule16:35
SuperEngineer...oe tuition - if the person is actually interested16:36
SuperEngineerali1234: i suspect their prime job is to talk & sell, knowledge is a gift not always required16:38
* SuperEngineer wishes czajkowski a good flight16:38
ali1234effectively that's saying it's ok for them to lie to the customer because their are enough people who don't realise to keep them in business16:39
ali1234and making up a BS answer when you clearly don't know is lying16:40
SuperEngineerali1234: if you were to add "can you" to those last 2 - methinks you wrote their job application form!!!16:42
SuperEngineer& if anyone is wondering why I use PC World, not Maplins... I've never been clamped parking at PC World!16:43
* SuperEngineer spits at local Maplin car park16:43
penguin42is that illegal for them now?16:43
SuperEngineerpenguin42: I hope so16:44
SuperEngineerpopey: convinced the hotel to put the bar bill down as "Tea & Cake" yet?17:07
penguin42popey: Or disinfectant17:11
SuperEngineerbbs - reboot time17:17
PendulumIf the tv channel I'm watching is accurate, it seems that there are more American football fans in the UK who support the Patriots compared to the Rams.17:30
Darael...There are appreciable numbers of Merkian football fans in the UK? Who knew?17:31
PendulumI actually know quite a few (who were fans before I knew them)17:31
Pendulumtoday's one of the NFL matches at Wembley17:33
PendulumI was guessing fans/ nationalities by who was singing God Save the Queen17:34
Pendulum*fans'17:34
ali1234what does it mean when /proc/self/cmdline starts with "/proc/self/exe"17:35
penguin42ali1234: I think it means something reexec'd itself17:36
ali1234http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=2911817:37
penguin42ali1234: If you look at /proc/self/exe it's always a symlink to the actual executable - so you can run it17:37
ali1234yeah, that makes sense17:37
ali1234but in this case i'm using chrome, trying to detect when my library is loaded by a plugin17:38
ali1234so it looks like i need check for /proc/self/exe on command line, due to that bug17:38
penguin42ali1234: Yeh, chrome does some funky stuff to sandbox parts of itself; so I think it'll set some stuff up and then rerun itself17:38
bigcalm_laptopGood evening peeps :)18:13
christelhihi bigcalm_laptop18:17
bigcalm_laptopHey hey christel :)18:17
SuperEngineerJust seen a UDS post stating there's a Tuesday evening testing session... mispelling of "tasting"?18:31
SuperEngineer...or not mispelt & it's a session of drinking beer whilst repeating Roaring Ringtail 16 times perhaps18:33
* SuperEngineer removes hat of cynicism18:35
penguin42it's the only universal language of irc18:37
jacobwlol18:38
* kvarley is envious of czajkowski :P18:44
SuperEngineerJust realised: even if Johnathan Ross uses Ubuntu, he will not use 13.04.18:56
SuperEngineerWhat distro do use use John?... "woarwing wingtail".... nah!18:56
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