[00:00] <dubac0> 10
[00:00] <Darael> Alternatively, we'll stop using British Silly Time and revert to /reasonable/ time.
[00:00] <dubac0> yeah time will always be relitive
[00:00] <dubac0> buzz_, who'd your isp? ipv6 i notice
[00:01] <buzz_> virgin media - im using a hurricane electric tunnel for ipv6
[00:01] <Darael> True, but as long as we're going to use the hours, minutes, and seconds we /do/, with the convention that the zero-mark is midnight and the twelve-mark noon, we might as well /stick/ to that.
[00:01] <buzz_> http://tunnelbroker.net/
[00:02] <Darael> HE are excellent.  They do a free DNS hosting service, too.
[00:02] <dubac0> we? lest i don't use them often, only when i have meetings etc and connections with the */real/* world
[00:02] <buzz_> yeh. i use that also :)
[00:02] <dubac0> which is reprohesablly fake and plasic
[00:04] <dwatkins> Why not simply have everyone use GMT? ;)
[00:04] <Darael> I'd rather use UTC, even if it /is/ always within a second of GMT.
[00:05] <dwatkins> I must admit I don't know the difference.
[00:05] <Darael> But yes, time zones are also silly.  Just not as silly as daylight "saving" time.
[00:05] <dwatkins> quite
[00:05] <dwatkins> as if by magic, it gets lighter at a particular time of day for your safety, thus making another part of the day darker.
[00:06] <dubac0> Darael, when? when is it within one second of gmt?
[00:06] <Darael> dubac0: UTC is /always/ within one second of GMT.
[00:07] <Darael> The industry in this country that gets the biggest benefit isn't even the one that's usually held up as the reason.  It's not the farmers, it's the charcoal burners, from people having more barbies in the "longer" evenings.
[00:14] <dubac0> Darael,  :/ spotify know i am in student digs
[00:14] <dubac0> they play adverts to me for local student deals
[00:14] <dwatkins> that's easy, they see your ip address
[00:15] <Darael> GeoIP databeses are a thing that exists.
[00:15] <dubac0> dwatkins, no, they see a swedish vpn
[00:15] <Darael> Well, actually, they aren't, but they would be if one substituted an a for an e.
[00:20] <dubac0_> see
[01:00] <penguin42> ooh
[01:00] <penguin42> ahh
[01:10]  * penguin42 had better go to bed before it gets late again
[03:33] <dubac0_>  i'd like others to remember that i live by a philosophy, a principle really and that I believe that...that if you can do good things with the world, you had a moral obligation to do those things, weather it be volunteering 10% of the free time you have or 10% of the disposable income one has after saving 10%
[03:33] <dubac0_> or simply sitting on an irc channel helping folks with Ubuntu
[03:33] <dubac0_> :D
[06:59] <Laney> URHGURHGURHGR
[09:34] <czajkowski> Laney: morning :)
[09:39] <popey> morning
[09:45] <SuperEngineer> o/
[09:47] <SuperEngineer> was there a net split earlier on? [clue, UUK only showed 7 users!]
[10:10] <danfish> morning
[10:10] <popey> yo
[10:10] <danfish> there's an old adage in carpentry - measure twice, cut once
[10:11] <danfish> in soldering it's "lay out components twice, solder once, then desolder and suffer finger burns ;)"
[10:12] <danfish> popey: you off to UDS?
[10:13] <popey> already here
[10:13] <popey> been here a week
[10:13] <danfish> ah! Having fun?
[10:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning.
[10:14] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: morning!
[10:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> I've just upgraded wifey's pc with new mobo and proc etc. And stupidly I installed 12.10 on it.
[10:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just discovered bug 1064962 How on earth this did get out before release?
[10:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> No menus on LO
[10:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> FFS
[10:16]  * popey looks
[10:16] <danfish> oops
[10:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Everything was going so well until that point.
[10:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-(
[10:17] <popey> do you have lo on the launcher?
[10:17] <popey> icons in the launcher for writer, calc, impress
[10:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes.
[10:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> If I start LO first, then open something, the menu appears but there are no dropdown items in it ;-)
[10:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> Can I install something to put the menu back in the LO app window?
[10:19] <popey> brb
[10:19] <popey> need to reboot
[10:21] <bootinfdsds> Hawaii tsunami false alarm !
[10:22] <popey> !ping
[10:27] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer, do you have lo-menubar installed
[10:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> dunno popey - it's a default install. Hang on will check. (same monitor for this and her machine whilst I'm testing. need to switch inputs)
[10:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> dependency issue. Can't install it because of libreoffice-gtk or something.
[10:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> nm - it seems if you start calc first then run round the room naked three times singing "I'm a Nudy" the menu then works.
[10:38] <AlanBell> correlation does not imply causation
[10:41] <SuperEngineer> unless correlation is repeated by peer group.... volounteers anyone?
[10:45] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[11:13] <popey> !ping
[11:13] <popey> hmm
[12:03] <popey> ali1234, how was it you did the maximise flash on a second screen thing?
[12:03] <popey> and does it work with chrome?
[12:04] <ali1234> popey: more information needed
[12:05] <popey> you made something that lets you have flash maximised full screen on dual screen, and not de-maximise when you click on second screen iirc?
[12:05] <ali1234> there is nothing in the code which allows you to select a monitor
[12:05] <ali1234> the focus patch is not applied
[12:06] <ali1234> i'm waiting for the athor to rebase but looks like he isn't going to
[12:06] <ali1234> on chrome you can only use the primary monitor
[12:06] <popey> in hotel room with browser on external display (TV) watching stuff, want to work on laptop with tv on
[12:07] <ali1234> well if you can change the xorg config so that the tv is the primary monitor then it will work, if you apply the patch
[12:07] <popey> ahh
[12:07] <ali1234> also if you use firefox it will work, but again only if you apply the patch
[12:08] <popey> gotcha
[12:08] <ali1234> https://github.com/ali1234/fullscreenhack/pull/5
[12:09] <ali1234> in fact under chromium you won't be able to open the fullscreen flash on anything but the primary monitor, because that is how pepper api works
[12:10] <ali1234> *chrome
[12:12] <ali1234> you only need top copy in the XSelectInput function really, i guess
[12:12] <ali1234> not sure what side efects this has
[12:40] <Laney> 3g isn't fast enough here to downoad TTOI
[12:40]  * Laney weeps
[12:44] <Laney> while going through security is a bad time to discover your laptop failed to suspend and is burning hot
[12:54] <popey> oops
[12:55] <Laney> seems ok though
[12:55] <stgraber> as long as your battery doesn't explode while at the security checkpoint, you're fine ;) (oh, and don't mention someone could get it to explode, they apparently don't like being told that ;))
[12:55] <Laney> and apw is getting the same flight as me, so I can abuse him :-)
[12:56] <Laney> ah we just got notice that the flight is delayed until 10500 (1 hour)
[12:57] <Laney> 1500
[12:58] <stgraber> oh, so we may end up landing around the same time then. Assuming Swiss doesn't screw up anything else (my initial flight was canceled), I should arrive around 18:00 in Copenhagen
[12:58] <stgraber> (got an extra hop in Frankfurt, so there's still potential for failure there too...)
[12:59] <Laney> 18:0 would be right if the duration stays the same
[12:59] <Laney> really need to find some proper bandwidth
[12:59] <stgraber> airport lounge?
[13:00] <stgraber> (though the one I'm in at the moment had sucky internet, switched to 3G which is surprinsgly fast considering I'm in a pretty crowded airport)
[13:00] <stgraber> anyway, boarding in 10min, better go check where my gate is. See you guys later
[13:01] <popey> safe flights all!
[13:01] <Laney> tata
[13:10] <mattt> afternoon
[13:24] <penguin42> hey mattt
[13:52] <mattt> penguin42: how goes it ?
[13:52] <penguin42> yeh ok
[15:02] <SuperEngineer> Hmm... UDS = Ubuntu Drinking Session perhaps? ;)﻿
[15:03] <Pendulum> that's fairly accurate
[15:07] <SuperEngineer> I wonder if they've got as far as singing "wonderful, [hic] wonderful Copen[hic]hagon" yet?
[16:20] <czajkowski> whoo Nexus 7 bought :D
[16:23] <SuperEngineer> czajkowski: how much? I'm getting tempted
[16:23] <penguin42> czajkowski: Hehe
[16:23] <czajkowski> SuperEngineer: 168 at airport
[16:23] <czajkowski> 2 guys overheard me buying one
[16:24] <czajkowski> and then asked do you have more
[16:24] <czajkowski> the guy goes we have 12
[16:24] <czajkowski> two guys take 2 :D
[16:24] <SuperEngineer> hpe one of ythose for me!
[16:24] <SuperEngineer> *hope of of those was for me
[16:25] <czajkowski> hah
[16:25] <czajkowski> it;s 169 in shops but all the dixons close to me were sold out
[16:27] <SuperEngineer> never found out at my local dixons... the [saturday] salesperson was confused "is that a radio sir?"
[16:27] <SuperEngineer> hurumph
[16:28] <czajkowski> oh the HMV person was like whats that
[16:28] <czajkowski> I went if you dont know
[16:28] <czajkowski> you dont have them
[16:28] <SuperEngineer> correct
[16:28] <penguin42> czajkowski: I wouldn't bet on that, probably not the smartest cookies
[16:28] <penguin42> czajkowski: Well, compared to Dixons....
[16:31] <SuperEngineer> best fun Iever had was going to PcWorld, finding a netbook running Linux & asking "will this run a Linux system?"...
[16:31] <SuperEngineer> [I think you guess the answer]
[16:32] <czajkowski> ah I dont like to torment people either
[16:32] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[16:32] <czajkowski> thats their job  no point i rubing salt in the wounds when they dont know stuff
[16:33] <czajkowski> I'd rather show them something than ridicule them
[16:34] <SuperEngineer> ..the poor guy was given a full explanation... been back since & the man now runs Ubuntu on his home PC!
[16:35] <SuperEngineer> if I go there now & he's not in... I go back out again & wait for when he's back
[16:35] <czajkowski> <-- flight
[16:35] <ali1234> if your one job is to answer customer's questions about your products... and you fail at that... you deserve ridicule
[16:36] <SuperEngineer> ...oe tuition - if the person is actually interested
[16:38] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: i suspect their prime job is to talk & sell, knowledge is a gift not always required
[16:38]  * SuperEngineer wishes czajkowski a good flight
[16:39] <ali1234> effectively that's saying it's ok for them to lie to the customer because their are enough people who don't realise to keep them in business
[16:40] <ali1234> and making up a BS answer when you clearly don't know is lying
[16:42] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: if you were to add "can you" to those last 2 - methinks you wrote their job application form!!!
[16:43] <SuperEngineer> & if anyone is wondering why I use PC World, not Maplins... I've never been clamped parking at PC World!
[16:43]  * SuperEngineer spits at local Maplin car park
[16:43] <penguin42> is that illegal for them now?
[16:44] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: I hope so
[17:07] <SuperEngineer> popey: convinced the hotel to put the bar bill down as "Tea & Cake" yet?
[17:11] <penguin42> popey: Or disinfectant
[17:17] <SuperEngineer> bbs - reboot time
[17:30] <Pendulum> If the tv channel I'm watching is accurate, it seems that there are more American football fans in the UK who support the Patriots compared to the Rams.
[17:31] <Darael> ...There are appreciable numbers of Merkian football fans in the UK? Who knew?
[17:31] <Pendulum> I actually know quite a few (who were fans before I knew them)
[17:33] <Pendulum> today's one of the NFL matches at Wembley
[17:34] <Pendulum> I was guessing fans/ nationalities by who was singing God Save the Queen
[17:34] <Pendulum> *fans'
[17:35] <ali1234> what does it mean when /proc/self/cmdline starts with "/proc/self/exe"
[17:36] <penguin42> ali1234: I think it means something reexec'd itself
[17:37] <ali1234> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=29118
[17:37] <penguin42> ali1234: If you look at /proc/self/exe it's always a symlink to the actual executable - so you can run it
[17:37] <ali1234> yeah, that makes sense
[17:38] <ali1234> but in this case i'm using chrome, trying to detect when my library is loaded by a plugin
[17:38] <ali1234> so it looks like i need check for /proc/self/exe on command line, due to that bug
[17:38] <penguin42> ali1234: Yeh, chrome does some funky stuff to sandbox parts of itself; so I think it'll set some stuff up and then rerun itself
[18:13] <bigcalm_laptop> Good evening peeps :)
[18:17] <christel> hihi bigcalm_laptop
[18:17] <bigcalm_laptop> Hey hey christel :)
[18:31] <SuperEngineer> Just seen a UDS post stating there's a Tuesday evening testing session... mispelling of "tasting"?
[18:33] <SuperEngineer> ...or not mispelt & it's a session of drinking beer whilst repeating Roaring Ringtail 16 times perhaps
[18:35]  * SuperEngineer removes hat of cynicism
[18:37] <penguin42> it's the only universal language of irc
[18:38] <jacobw> lol
[18:44]  * kvarley is envious of czajkowski :P
[18:56] <SuperEngineer> Just realised: even if Johnathan Ross uses Ubuntu, he will not use 13.04.
[18:56] <SuperEngineer> What distro do use use John?... "woarwing wingtail".... nah!