[00:23] <ailo> Bah, the first slide on the homepage is not right on all resolutions
[00:31] <len-dt> ailo, just looking at it again seeing as you mentioned it... the home page slide for audio looks like it is saying US is made for amature work not professional.
[00:32] <len-dt> "Need to record your band? Or do you want to record, mix, and master your own song?"
[00:33] <len-dt> Getting paid to record other people's songs/bands is professional.
[00:37] <len-dt> Publishing at least mentions a "press" photography on the other hand is only good enough for "publish them to social web sites".
[00:38] <len-dt> I hadn't looked at things with such a picky eye before :)
[00:38] <ailo> len-dt: The whole site could go through a check. There were some spelling errors until quite late. 
[00:38] <ailo> I did as little as possible to already existing text thinking that people might have opinions before release
[00:39] <ailo> Also, it's hard to have an objective picture while you're in the process of editing
[00:39] <len-dt> ailo, the graphics looked so nice... and it was soooo much better than what we had.
[00:40] <len-dt> I don't think many of us were that objective
[00:40]  * len-dt knows he wasn't
[00:41] <len-dt> What the video slide says is nice, basically says it can do anything.
[00:42] <ailo> The last line of text in the first slide is on top of the slide buttons on one of my screens
[00:42] <len-dt> Graphics could use a bit of thought though.
[00:42] <len-dt> ailo, ya I see that
[00:43] <len-dt> From adding the new release line
[00:43] <ailo> Yeah, wasn't like that on the screen I did it on
[00:43] <ailo> Will have a look tomorrow, on the bus
[00:43] <ailo> Leaving to Malmö tomorrow, where my uncle lives. It's just opposite of Copenhagen, where UDS is
[00:44] <len-dt> Ubuntu Studio is not really an operating system, but a distribution
[00:44] <ailo> Isn't it both?
[00:44] <len-dt> That will give some time... if it was me... my battery wouldn't last that long
[00:44] <ailo> The bus has internet, but perhaps not power outletsd
[00:44] <len-dt> bassed on Linux the OS I think.
[00:44] <ailo> I'm bringing a netbook too
[00:45] <len-dt> The problem being that many people get the idea of an OS but from windows land not a distro.
[00:46] <len-dt> Those from linux land know the difference I think.
[00:46] <ailo> The sum, kernel + system tools is an operative system. We have our own kernel, and some minor changes to Ubuntu specs. I'd say it's a Ubuntu Studio operative system
[00:47] <len-dt> If it doesn't hit others as it does me then I am probably wrong.
[00:47] <ailo> It's not as common to call it OS, when it's Linux I guess
[00:48] <ailo> I didn't write that anyhow
[00:49] <ailo> I'm going to bed. Early rise tomorrow, even if we get one hour extra this night
[00:49] <ailo> see you tomorrow
[00:49] <len-dt> I'm not pointing fingers (at people) just anything that might be taken to mean something it doesn't.
[00:49] <len-dt> Very good. Good night.
[07:53] <ailo> Nightmare trying to use a laptop on a bus
[07:56] <ailo> Just on my way to my uncle's, who lives just on the opposite side of Copenhagen across a few km of sea
[07:56] <knome> :)
[08:29] <contrapunctus> ailo, that's why they made tablets, I betcha ;)
[08:30] <contrapunctus> Incidentally, is there any Linux distro that can run on ARM? Had heard of Debian and Bodhi, but sounds like a tricky procedure to install. =\
[08:31] <ailo> contrapunctus: I could probably use one now, but now the uds site has problems, so I might as well catch some sleep, or eat some donuts
[08:31] <ailo> contrapunctus: I've never tried installing
[08:31] <ailo> Debian, correcrt
[08:31] <ailo> Isn't Ubuntu going into that too?
[08:32] <ailo> contrapunctus: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/arm
[08:33] <ailo> Not exactly well supported
[08:35] <ailo> I bought a router that you can install linux on. That's arm
[08:52] <contrapunctus> Awesome, ailo. I didn't realize the install instructions were out as well! W00t...but that's only for certain tablets -_-'
[08:52] <contrapunctus> I was thinking more like 'U-install-on-any-Android-device-buntu' :)
[08:59] <ailo> contrapunctus: Think you might need to tinker with a Debian install for other devices. I know a lot of people are doing it. Maybe there are some examples on youtube and such?
[09:00] <contrapunctus> Aye, ailo. There do seem to be some of those floating around on YouTube.
[09:01] <astraljava> contrapunctus: emdebian has worked towards that goal for quite some while.
[09:01] <astraljava> Not sure what's the current status, though.
[09:01]  * astraljava kinda lost interest in embedded half a year ago.
[09:04] <contrapunctus> Why?
[09:04] <contrapunctus> o.o
[09:05] <contrapunctus> (and how does one do those verb thingies in IRC, again?)
[09:05] <ailo> During my stay in Copenhagen I will travel half the distance as I am doing one way now, for a price of X8 (unless I walk a lot, in which case it's about X4)
[09:06] <ailo> I did bring running shoes :P
[09:34] <astraljava> ailo: That's messed up. How so?
[09:34] <smartboyhw> !?
[09:41] <smartboyhw> Good everyone is back
[09:41] <smartboyhw> astraljava, what is messed up?
[09:45] <astraljava> That is costs so much more when traveling.
[09:45] <smartboyhw> ah
[13:31] <ailo> astraljava: local traffic is a bitch
[13:33] <ailo> But it's cheaper than staying at a hotel next to bella center :)
[13:34] <smartboyhw> ailo, wait you want to remove the text in the plymouth theme right? Why?
[13:35] <ailo> smartboyhw: Len suggested that. Would remove one maintenance detail.
[13:36] <smartboyhw> ailo, well that is a super-east maintenance. If you guys don't wanna do it I can do it myself.
[13:36] <smartboyhw> *super-easy
[13:58] <smartboyhw> OK changed it and proposed code merge ailo 
[14:31] <smartboyhw> hi micahg 
[14:34] <micahg> hi smartboyhw
[14:38] <len-dt> smartboyhw, I want to change the text from ubuntu studio 12.10 to just ubuntu studio
[14:38] <smartboyhw> len-dt, wait a minute
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Ubuntu also has a non-versioned theme for graphical ones
[14:39] <smartboyhw> But they say "Ubuntu 12.10" when it comes to the text theme
[14:39] <smartboyhw> len-dt, I don't think it is good to remove it. How could people tell which release are they installing?
[14:40] <micahg> smartboyhw: why should the text theme be different than the graphical one?
[14:41] <smartboyhw> micahg, what?
[14:41] <micahg> if the graphical one is unversioned, why should the text one be versioneD?
[14:41] <smartboyhw> micahg, don't ask me, ask the ubuntu artwork team:P
[14:43] <len-dt> smartboyhw, we are talking ubuntu studio. our graphic one has no version and very very few people see the text one.
[14:43] <smartboyhw> len-dt, wait is it a very difficult one to maintain?
[14:43] <len-dt> just very easy to forget.
[14:44] <len-dt> I was the only one who saw it because of my old video card
[14:44] <smartboyhw> len-dt, I saw it always when I do testing on Virtualbox
[14:44] <len-dt> as of 12.10 the video driver seems to work so I may not see it.
[14:45] <len-dt> It is easy to change. I was the one who made the ubuntustudio one.
[14:47] <smartboyhw> so?
[14:48] <len-dt> I won't always be around to remember to change it why leave something that must be changed every release?
[14:49] <len-dt> or to put it another way, if it is soooo important then why not change the grphic version every time too?
[14:49] <micahg> len-dt: which package is that in?
[14:49] <smartboyhw> micahg, ubuntustudio-look
[14:50] <smartboyhw> I proposed code merge for 13.04 (for now)
[14:50] <micahg> len-dt: we could just make it a dynamic file where the version is added automatically when it's built
[14:50] <smartboyhw> micahg, good:D
[14:50] <len-dt> Ok, would we do that for the graphic version too?
[14:51] <smartboyhw> len-dt, no
[14:51] <len-dt> then why for the text version?
[14:52] <smartboyhw> len-dt, really srsly: If Vanilla Ubuntu can include it why can we not?
[14:52] <len-dt> micahg, I can not see any reason to make the text version "versioned" and not the graphic version.
[14:54] <len-dt> I think the place to add the version to would be lightdm
[14:54] <len-dt> It could be added once and would be there for everyone
[14:55] <len-dt> smartboyhw, if vanilla has it in the text version and not the graphic one then that is also wrong
[14:55] <len-dt> I would call that a bug
[14:55] <smartboyhw> len-dt, ooh...............
[14:59] <len-dt> Going farther down that path... the time the system stays on plymouth has gotten so short (execpt when scanning disks and from the live ISO) that even on my old machine plymouth runs less than a second.
[14:59] <micahg> len-dt: I agree with you :)
[14:59] <len-dt> Some people say they just see a flash of it before lightdm shows up.
[15:00] <smartboyhw> OK I give up. 
[15:01] <smartboyhw> len-dt, you win:P
[15:03] <len-dt> I win? My hope is to give things that are winners for the end user first, and then the US dev team... even better if it helps both.
[15:06] <smartboyhw> OK then
[15:06] <smartboyhw> len-dt, code it and then micahg will package it. (Am I wrong?)
[15:07] <len-dt> Ya, I was waiting till the new ISO started rolling.
[15:07] <smartboyhw> len-dt, no need I thkin
[15:08] <len-dt> I want to see the core builds before I start messing with it. I'm just cautious I guess.
[15:09] <smartboyhw> len-dt, then do you want to see "Ubuntu Studio 12.10" on a 13.04 ISO?:P
[15:09] <len-dt> There are two or three things (buglets) I need to do that way. I may start on them before the ISOs roll though
[15:10] <smartboyhw> len-dt, OK. BTW len-dt micahg do you support having Ubuntu Studio on Wubi? Just asking
[15:11]  * micahg doesn't do Wubi, so no opinion
[15:11]  * smartboyhw supports it
[15:11]  * len-dt has no way of testing it
[15:11] <smartboyhw> Well that is just asking since ailo put it in the blueprints
[15:12] <len-dt> what exactly does "wubi" do?
[15:12] <micahg> allows you to install Ubuntu inside a windows installation
[15:13] <len-dt> I understand the FS resides inside an NT partition?
[15:14] <smartboyhw> len-dt, yes
[15:14]  * smartboyhw has tried to use that before
[15:14] <smartboyhw> That thought was first raised when Bug 1070682 was reported
[15:14] <len-dt> US is performance sensitive... at least with the audio stuff
[15:17] <smartboyhw> len-dt, news btw, mrpouit has uploaded a patch for the duplicate partitions
[15:17] <len-dt> Aside from the point of it working at all installwise, I am wondering what problems we might have with how things run.
[15:18] <len-dt> good, if fix released or just commited?
[15:19] <smartboyhw> len-dt, only proposed patch. Will fix commit and release a few days later
[15:19] <smartboyhw> Bug 1072137 
[15:19] <smartboyhw> here
[15:20] <smartboyhw> len-dt, btw are you getting dizzy with our topic-r-flavor-ubuntustudio's dependency tree?
[15:22] <len-dt> It is hard to read, but I think splitting it up is good
[15:23] <len-dt> I wish the main page just showed the first level not all of them
[15:23] <smartboyhw> len-dt, me also
[15:24] <len-dt> I do think splitting things into smaller portions will allow us to finish more things. Last cycle a lot of things were partly done
[15:24] <smartboyhw> Why did I part the channel?
[15:24] <len-dt>  I do think splitting things into smaller portions will allow us to finish more things. Last cycle a lot of things were partly done
[15:25] <len-dt> IDK
[15:25] <smartboyhw> len-dt, thought of one thing...We can actually add back bookmarks of our help pages and so to Firefox...
[15:25] <len-dt> How?
[15:26] <len-dt> I spent rather a lot of time on that last cycle with no results.
[15:26] <smartboyhw> len-dt, what? You are exactly the opposite I think
[15:26] <smartboyhw> len-dt, you got most workitems done, I, ailo and scott-work failed at that
[15:27] <len-dt> Putting bookmarks in firefox is not easy. I could get it done, but not so that the next upgrade of firefox didn't reset it to stock
[15:28] <len-dt> So it would work so long as the user used FF before any upgrade... which may not happen if there happened to be a FF upgrade detected at install time.
[15:29] <len-dt> A new user added to an install even a month later would not see our bookmarks for sure.
[15:30] <smartboyhw> len-dt, look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Oneiric/LocalizedCDImageTools
[15:30] <len-dt> smartboyhw, there may be a way of doing that if we moved all of ubuntu-setting into ubuntustudio-default-settings
[15:31] <smartboyhw> len-dt, that link may be the solution for us (albeit only a little bit)
[15:32] <smartboyhw> That might be what we want for the new ubuntustudio-default-settings
[15:33] <len-dt> I will look. There is a package for generating a default-settings package for a ISO that I tried. It does not work.
[15:35] <micahg> the Firefox bookmarks aren't in the ubuntu-settings package
[15:35] <smartboyhw> len-dt, micahg actually look at https://wiki.mozilla.org/Distribution_INI_File will be better
[15:35] <smartboyhw> micahg, where is it?
[15:35] <len-dt> smartboyhw, that doesn't work
[15:35] <smartboyhw> len-dt, !
[15:36] <len-dt> I tried it.
[15:36] <micahg> either in ubufox or firefox
[15:36] <len-dt> The ubuntuized version makes that not work.
[15:36] <smartboyhw> len-dt, oh ok how about the ini file?
[15:36] <len-dt> I tried it.
[15:36] <smartboyhw> hmm
[15:36] <len-dt> I spent a lot of time on it.
[15:38] <len-dt> In the end that was why I added all the bookmarks to the menu.
[15:38] <smartboyhw> len-dt, :D
[15:38] <len-dt> Same with xchat.
[15:39] <smartboyhw> Hmm sounds like a difficult one to do
[15:42] <smartboyhw> micahg, aren't you a specialist on browsers?
[15:43] <micahg> smartboyhw: yes?
[15:43] <smartboyhw> micahg, you should be able to add the bookmarks then:P
[15:44] <micahg> well, idk where they're stored at the moment, yes I could figure it out if I had time
[15:44] <smartboyhw> micahg, oh ok
[15:45] <len-dt> micahg, smartboyhw is it really worth the time involved?
[15:45] <smartboyhw> len-dt, dunno. Though it is mentioned before I think
[15:46] <len-dt> It was in last cycles BP
[15:46] <len-dt> We postponed it with the idea it did not have to be resurected this cycle :)
[15:47] <smartboyhw> len-dt, :)
[15:47] <smartboyhw> Albeit we can try to
[15:48] <len-dt> You can assign yourself to it and do that. Personally, I will spend my time elsewhere.
[15:48] <len-dt> I will have less time this cycle than last.
[15:49] <len-dt> I would start by looking in the ubuntu-branding stuff which is called something else these days and think about replacing that with a US version.
[15:52] <len-dt> try ubufox  maybe
[15:53] <len-dt> If we make a stufox though that will mean maintaining it every time ubufox gets changed
[15:54] <len-dt> smartboyhw, ^^
[16:02] <smartboyhw> len-dt, :D
[16:03] <micahg> smartboyhw: it's a big maintenance burden
[16:03] <smartboyhw> micahg, yes I agre
[16:03] <smartboyhw> *agree
[16:17] <len-dt> micahg, I have worked in tech support and heard "why did they do it that way?" many times. I found if I started thinking how I would do it, I often ended up the way the machine was... Same apllies here a lot.
[16:31] <ailo> There's also the answer: just because
[17:51] <ailo> knome: Are you all settled in Copenhagen and ready for tomorrow?
[17:52] <ailo> I could probably have prepared a lot more (haven't exactly been asking around a lot). Thinking things will become apparent tomorrow
[17:56] <ailo> len-dt: I removed a line in the first slide at the homepage. My thought is, if no one will miss it, it was an ok edit.
[17:58] <ailo> The great thing about writing code independently, when there are no commercial interests, is that you'll most likely only have two reasons why you did something. 
[17:58] <ailo> Either because you saw a solution to a problem, or just because
[18:43] <knome> ailo, yeah, i pretty much am
[20:12] <len-dt> ailo, the first slide looks fine.
[20:13] <len-dt> I can't even remember what the missing line was :)
[21:48] <len-dt> Hey, there is a new kernel in proposed for 12.10. Are we supposed to test that before it gets released?
[21:52] <len-dt> If so, where do we mark it as tested?
[22:14] <len-dt> ailo, I only ask because it is lowlatency. If we don't test who will?