[01:25] <xixor> linux... lol
[02:12] <samuelG> I have a zip archive that contains a file with foreign characters in its name, and Ark, Xarchive, nor File Roller can extract that particular file... Is there ANY way to get it out of the archive?
[02:13] <handheldCar> samuelG, you could try unzip.
[02:14] <samuelG> alright, ill see if that works, thanks handheldCar
[02:14] <handheldCar> You'll have to open Konsole and type 'unzip ' and then your zip archive.
[02:15] <samuelG> Sweet, it worked! damn GUIs can't do anything right >_<
[02:16] <samuelG> thanks a bunch handheldCar!
[02:16] <handheldCar> you're welcome!
[02:17] <xixor> GUIs... lol.
[02:17] <xixor> anyone here using an SSD with linux?
[02:19] <samuelG> I am, why xixor, are you having issues with it?
[02:21] <xixor> no, I don't have one
[02:21] <xixor> just wondering if you notice a big improvement with KDE
[02:21]  * handheldCar doesn't really prefer one or the other (GUIs/CLIs).
[02:24] <xixor> handheldCar: yeah, they both suck
[02:24] <handheldCar> :D
[02:31] <Preflex> I'm running it.  I didn't notice much improvement until I turned off the login splash.  Turns out plasma was firing up faster than the animation and it made me wait for it.
[02:34] <xixor> cool, I didn't know the login splash was optional
[02:35] <samuelG> Cool I'll have to disable the splash!
[02:35] <xixor> how do you disable it?
[02:35] <samuelG> idk, search in the settings dialog, thats where ill look
[02:35] <xixor> yeah, System Settings->Workspace appearanc->Splash Screen, then select the "None" theme
[02:36] <Preflex> xixor: SystemSettings -> Workspace Appearance -> Splash Screen   set to none
[02:36] <OerHeks> Andy OS gets a boost with a SSD, not the transferspeed, but the 0 accestime gives performance
[02:36] <OerHeks> -d
[02:37] <samuelG> Yeah, I remember my windows booting up and to the desktop in 10-15
[02:38] <samuelG> Thanks Preflex! they really bury some of those options... I was looking under Login Screen (LightDM)
[02:39] <Preflex> KDE never met a setting it didn't like. (GNOME never met one that it did.)
[02:40]  * handheldCar also disables splash screen.
[02:41] <samuelG> I was on LXDE for 12.04, but its too new, not mature enough. otherwise, I really like it
[02:43] <handheldCar> What I like about KDE is its functionality. Eye candy is just a bonus.
[02:47] <samuelG> I sometimes wish to disable the eye candy :(
[02:47] <samuelG> for instance, twice I've had a window get stuck underneath another window in the task bar... I would rather use a lighter panel if this one is going to randomly bug on me
[02:48] <OerHeks> mouse to left corner, and the windows split
[02:48] <Ox0000> Hi, I upgraded to kubuntu 12.10 from 12.04 yesterday. I had some problems with my graphics display and finally was able to roll-back to the legacy fglrx driver and everything was working fine untill my touchpad stopped responding to taps. The left-click button is working fine, but nothing happens when I tap the touchpad. Any ideas?
[02:49] <handheldCar> samuelG, you probably can disable and configure about as much as you want, but not sure what you mean by window getting stuck.
[02:50] <handheldCar> Ox0000, have you checked the system input settings and looked for a synaptics package?
[02:54] <samuelG> each window appears in the task bar with an icon and its title in a box, right? Well one of the boxes representing a window was underneath a box for another window, and I couldn't click on it to bring it up.
[02:55] <Ox0000> handheldCar: Yes, I have. Sounds like the system recognizes the my touchpad. Everything else is working with it except for tapping.
[02:59] <handheldCar> samuelG, you might want to switch to the icon tasks anyway: little cashew on right → add widget, but that sounds like an unusual bug you had.
[03:06] <[Relic]> any idea how long the upgrade to 12.10 takes?
[03:07] <samuelG> I would guess as long as an install, but I don't trust upgrades- I copy my home folder and do a fresh install
[03:33] <Ox0000> My touchpad suddenly stopped responding to taps after an upgrade to 12.10 from 12.04. Everything else (scrolling, moving, etc) works fine except for tap and double-tap. Any ideas?
[03:35] <bob___> my touchpad also stopped. the external mouse is ok
[03:38] <Ox0000> Mine was working fine for almost half a day until I rolled-back to fglrx legacy driver for my display and shortly after that the touchpad stopped responding to taps.
[06:58] <noaXess> morning
[06:58] <noaXess> earlier in kde i got the function to set a transparency of a window..
[06:58] <noaXess> any hint where to enable that again?
[06:59] <almoxarife> noaXess: try right-click on the window and look for window properties
[07:00] <noaXess> almoxarife: i know that.. but earlier it was in the window kontext menu under more actions.. without changing the window property
[07:01] <almoxarife> don't know where it was earlier, sorry, i just know where to do it now
[07:02] <noaXess> almoxarife: there are not window properties, only under more actions are special window/application settings
[07:03] <almoxarife> noaXess: yes, special windows ........ blah blah
[07:04] <noaXess> i already know that function... that does hold some special window settings.. so i need to go there if i don't need. it.. but earlier in kde, i think 4.8 there was a direct option in the kontext menu to set transparency eg. to 50%..
[07:04] <noaXess> and reset it again.. with simple clicks
[07:06] <hateball> noaXess: well you could always use something like alt+scrollwheel to change opacity
[07:06] <noaXess> hateball: not really.. or do i need enable this?
[07:08] <noaXess> hateball: found... window behavior / inner window, titlebar & frame settings ;) mouse wheel was not set
[07:09] <almoxarife> noaXess: you were not asking about a particular window then, you want desktop apps to a certain opacity?
[07:10] <hateball> noaXess: :)
[07:10] <noaXess> almoxarife: no.. just the window under the mouse
[07:10] <hateball> noaXess: it's much faster than a context menu, so hopefully that will be good enough for you
[07:10] <noaXess> hateball: yes ;)...
[07:11] <noaXess> thanks hateball
[07:47] <ovidiu-florin_> hello, can anybody guide me on how can I set up Kmail to have separate inbox, sent, drafts folders for each identity?
[08:06] <Guest16936> hi
[08:09] <lordievader> Hey Guest16936, how are you?
[08:19] <ovidiu-florin_> how can I set an outgoing smtp server for an specific identity in KMail?
[08:24] <lordievader> Guest16936: Do you mind not pm'ing me?
[08:25] <Guest16936> sorry
[08:25] <lordievader> Guest16936: No worries, it's polite to ask first before you pm someone.
[08:26] <Guest16936> right on
[08:30] <Guest16936> Would anyone be willing to point me in the direction of a solid irc/ conky scripting guide?
[08:36] <Guest16936> j blasphemy
[08:46] <splatter> hallo?
[08:49] <deus__> hello
[08:50] <dead`process> hi
[08:50] <deus__> any idea why my Kubuntu does not automatically update to winter time? Although I just have a default install, it apparently does not sync with a time server? Even my old windows system was capable of doing that (without me interfeering) :)
[08:53] <lordievader> deus__: Under System Settings -> Date & Time, is Set date and time automatically checked?
[08:54] <dead`process> Now there is no daylight saving time))
[08:56] <deus__> lordievader: int the Date & Time menu: "Set date and time automatically" is checked, time server is: pool.ntp.org (default)
[08:57] <deus__> dead`process: what do you mean? You cannot select daylight saving time in Kubuntu?
[08:58] <lordievader> deus__: Perhaps that needs to be off, here that is not checked and it switched automatically to the right time.
[08:58] <dead`process> in Russia canceled daylight saving winter))
[09:00] <lordievader> dead`process: Is that so? That is quite interesting, may I ask why?
[09:00] <deus__> lordievader: disabled it, applied changes, but the clock isnt updated. I noticed the same problem when I switch between time zones: Kubuntu always requires me to manually adjust time, even though it recognizes the time zone I'm in
[09:01] <dead`process> government authorized decided to do so)))
[09:02] <noaXess> someone uses Citrix ICAClient on kubuntu 12.10? need help, check this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/204312/citrix-receiver-on-ubuntu-12-10 aso forum thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2074811 need help to get i work
[09:02] <lordievader> deus__: Could you check if the ntp deamon is running? sudo service ntp status
[09:02] <mat619> Hi there! I discovered an issue with my 12.04 LTS install: When I eject a usb thumbdrive, hdd or alike Dolphin claims that it can safely be removed now, but in fact it's still busy writing. If I execute "sync" manually, it continues to write for up to a minute before I can actually remove the drive without data loss!
[09:02] <deus__> lordievader: ntp: unrecognized service
[09:02] <mat619> Anyone else with this issue?
[09:03] <lordievader> deus__: Ok well that might be just it: sudo apt-get install ntp
[09:06] <deus__> lordievader: ok, installed it, now it correctly states: NTP server is running. When I return to the Date-and-time settings menu and reenable the "Set date and time automatically", I get a pop-up: Unable to contact time server pool.ntp.org
[09:06] <deus__> lordievader: or any other of the listed time servers
[09:06] <lordievader> deus__: Try another time server.
[09:07] <lordievader> deus__: Is there a firewall or something running that blocks that connection?
[09:08] <deus__> lordievader: I'm on my university's network. Perhaps they have some corporate firewall, but I suppose that NTP doesn't really require a very fancy connection type which requires special permissions?
[09:09] <lordievader> deus__: No, I suppose not. Though it is strange it cannot connect to any of the ntp servers.
[09:10] <deus__> lordievader: I can ping pool.ntp.org
[09:11] <deus__> lordievader: hm, multiple people seem to report this as being a bug :(
[09:11] <lordievader> deus__: That is too bad, then I guess the only thing you can do is wait for the bug-fix... I'm sorry.
[09:13] <deus__> lordievader: np, thnx for your help. It seems to be related to the date-and-time script. Because, when I manually run sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org, it updates my time correctly
[09:15] <lordievader> deus__: Ok, well perhaps under the hood the ntp deamon does its thing from now on.
[09:15] <deus__> lordievader: lets hope so :) thnx
[09:17] <lordievader> deus__: You're welcome.
[09:37] <bios_> всем доброго времени суток) у меня экран тухнет при просмотре фильмов и т.д. приходится мышкой дёргать чтобы загорелся. кто знает как решить?
[09:38] <lordievader> !ru | bios_
[10:15] <mat619> Anyone else having problems safely removing USB devices?
[10:16] <mat619> Just tried to verify this once again, I can reproduce the said issue
[10:18] <monkeyjuice> not sure what you mean remove usb devices and is this 12.10?
[10:22] <mat619> monkeyjuice: No, LTS 12.04. I wrote more about it earlier, in a nutshell: I copy files no a usb thumbdrive or hdd, click the eject icon in Dolphin, and the notifier comes up saying I can safely remove the device. The bad thing is, that I in fact can't! If i execute "sync", it sometimes takes up to 1 minute to complete the writing still in progress
[10:23] <mat619> Makes me pretty mad since I lost a huge backup image of a VM that I copied to a big thumbdrive and a usb hdd. took me quite some time redoing it...
[10:25] <monkeyjuice> hmm so you have tryed differnt storage . not sure what you have but its early here someone will come on soon im sure...
[10:25] <mat619> I really wonder if the eject routine in Dolphin does anything other than remove the device entry from its view.
[10:25] <mat619> monkeyjuice: I can recreate this error endlessly on this machine, as long as the copied file is big enough.
[10:25] <monkeyjuice> small files seem to work then?
[10:26] <monkeyjuice> or you dont notice the slow copy speed maybe
[10:26] <mat619> probably just because they are actually copied and sync'ed in time before I bend down to the PC and physically remove the device
[10:26] <monkeyjuice> wondering what your cpu usage is like at this time
[10:26] <mat619> when I copy something?
[10:27] <monkeyjuice> ya
[10:28] <mat619> pretty high sometimes. another anomaly I've noticed on this machine... doesn't happen always but I've seen it a few times - 90 to 100% load on one of the four cores my Xeon has. silly.
[10:30] <mat619> why you asking?
[10:31] <monkeyjuice> just trying to find some reason why its doing it ...
[10:32] <mat619> well even if the CPU load would be the limiting factor (which I hardly doubt, this being a brand new Xeon workstation...) the system shouldn't claim that it's safe to remove the device, when in fact there's still in the middle of writing stuff.
[10:32] <mat619> it should wait then until the writing is completed. no matter what, seems like a bug to me
[10:33] <monkeyjuice> maybe search google for bug in dolphin , sorry i have to leave take the wife to work...
[10:35] <mat619> monkeyjuice: already on it... thanks so far!
[10:37] <akm> hi
[10:38] <lordievader> Hey akm, how are you?
[10:41] <akm> cool facing some issues with installation of snmp v3 can you help me dr ?
[10:43] <lordievader> akm: I'm afraid not, perhaps someone else can tough.
[10:51] <BluesKaj> hey all
[11:12] <mamoun> Hi
[11:13] <mamoun> Is this the support channel or is there another one for support questions only?
[11:13] <BluesKaj> mamoun, you found the support channel
[11:14] <mamoun> ok, I
[11:14] <BluesKaj> this is where you ask
[11:14] <mamoun> I have been trying to set the cpu frequency for my laptop using cpufrequtils
[11:15] <mamoun> being a linux newbie, it turned out to be slightly confusing
[11:15] <mamoun> Basically it's a very old laptop with a pentium M processor clocked at 1.7Ghz
[11:16] <mamoun> When I use cpufreq-info in konsole, the cpu freq range is between 600 and 680, giving a very poor performance
[11:16] <mamoun> I tried increasing the maximum limit using sudo cpufreq-set -u 1.7Ghz, but nothing changed when I redo cpufreq-info
[11:18] <BluesKaj> mamoun, the defasult is usually "ondemand" and that works well for most situations, the "performance" setting might be best for you
[11:18] <mamoun> The governer can be changed, I just tried setting it to performance and it did change
[11:19] <BluesKaj> mamoun, speed also depends on RAM not just cpu
[11:19] <mamoun> however, the policy remains that it's between 600mhz and 680mhz, and the current freq is 600mhz despite having the governer set to performance (shouldn't that keep freq at maxmium? I'm guessing from how things occured on my overclocked android phone)
[11:20] <BluesKaj> How much memory ?
[11:20] <mamoun> 1.5 Gb
[11:22] <mamoun> I'm not really expecting great performance, but what I'm asking is whether I can get better performance If there is a way to force it to the maximum hardware limit, which is 1.7Ghz
[11:23] <lordievader> mamoun: What does cpufreq-info say for hardware limits?
[11:23] <mamoun> hardware limits: 600 MHz - 1.70 GHz
[11:24] <lordievader> mamoun: What does "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz" give you after you have set the governor to performance?
[11:26] <mamoun> cpu MHz         : 600.000
[11:28] <lordievader> mamoun: And does it display the same after you have done cpufreq-set -f 1700000?
[11:30] <mamoun> Yes
[11:30] <gilles__> hi everybody
[11:34] <lordievader> mamoun: Hmm, to be honest I'm out of ideas right now, you might want to try the forum (kubuntuforums.net / ubuntuforums.org)
[11:34] <mamoun> ok, thanks :)
[11:35] <BluesKaj> mamoun, sudo /usr/bin/cpufreq-set -g performance
[11:36] <BluesKaj> mamoun, then to check , cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz
[11:38] <mamoun> ok, done exactly that, still no change :(
[11:41] <BluesKaj> mamoun, do you have another app like power management that could be overriding your settings
[11:41] <mamoun> How can I make sure of that?
[11:41] <BluesKaj> cpu power management that is
[11:42] <mamoun> Well, I haven't installed anything beyond the ordinary, is there a way to check in the terminal?
[11:42] <mamoun> oh, I did install laptop-mode-tools once, but I have uninstalled it
[11:47] <BluesKaj> mamoun, there must be a lock on the cpu by spme other cpu management app ..that's all I can think of
[11:49] <mamoun> Hmmmm, strangely though, kpowermanager seems to lack a lot of options that was there when I used kde before (version 4.3? I guess?)
[11:49] <mat619> hey there, meanwhile anyone online who has an idea regarding my usb drive removal issue? I eject a thumbdrive/hdd that I've been writing on via dolphin's eject button, i get notified that it's safe to remove the drive. but if do that, I loose data, because it has in fact NOT finished writing. manually executing "sync" shows that it sometimes takes up to one more minute before it's actually safe to remove the drive.
[11:52] <natman> I want to execute a certain script everytime i turn my computer off, how do i go about doing this in kubuntu?
[11:53] <BluesKaj> mat619, yes I noticed that as well , the notifier is not working correctly , but I haven't filed a bug
[11:56] <hateball> mamoun: many manual settings have been removed in favor of automagic
[11:57] <BluesKaj> mamoun, kpowermanager ? I don't have that in the repos
[11:57] <lordievader> natman: http://shabirimam.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/adding-script-to-run-at-startup-or-shutdown/
[12:02] <natman> lordievader: thanks
[12:03] <Smurphy> Hmmm. Can't get telepathy to work ...
[12:03] <Smurphy> Anyone has it running ???
[12:05] <mamoun> hateball: I'm not familiar with that, automagic?
[12:06] <mamoun> BluesKaj: sorry, I think it was named differentally, I mean it's the power manager for kde
[12:07] <hateball> mamoun: I mean that things are supposed to "just work"
[12:08] <mamoun> hateball: lol, I thought it was some sort of a module or something :D I see, ok
[12:09] <hateball> mamoun: It was just a wordplay on automatic :)
[12:10] <mamoun> KDE is impressive now (4.9) though in terms of GUI performance, it flies compared to windows on the same ancient machine, with all sort of eye candy turned on
[12:11] <mamoun> This is one of the laptop that was in the "Vista capable" "scam", so it can't even run aero.
[12:12] <mamoun> Windows 8 is even slower, giving that it doesn't even recognize the poor intel 915 graphics card, no hardware acceleration whatsoever.
[12:15] <henshaw> kubuntu 12.10 live image: I log out and am presented with a password prompt (from lightdm) i think. how do i log in again?
[12:16] <handheldCar> mamoun, Windows 8 is Windows 7 with an iOS gateway.
[12:16] <mamoun> handheldCar: Pretty much, lol
[12:17] <henshaw> I can 'su kubuntu' from a virtual terminal and get a new text login with a bloank password - so why doesn't the login screen work?
[12:17] <caroline_> hello, i'm having this problem for a few months now, it may have started when i started using the kubuntu ppa backports repository (since 12.04, i'm now on kubuntu 12.10 with kde 4.9.2); when i'm connected to a wifi network, and i move my laptop so that the wifi spot gets out of reach, my whole plasma-desktop freezes (but i can still use my computer by switching windows with alt+tab) and it gets unfreezed if i turn off the wifi sw
[12:19] <caroline_> i saved these "dmesg" right after the freeze a few days ago: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1314998/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/1314997/
[12:19] <lordievader> henshaw: You could change the password for the live user and login with that.
[12:21] <henshaw> lordievader: doesn't work. oddly, I only seem to have a password filed and no username field?
[12:23] <henshaw> pressing enter or clicking the green arrow does nothing at all, doesn't even remove the password. clicking the "KDE Plasma Workspace" button only toggles bold text on and off
[12:26] <lordievader> henshaw: Check what the username is, try finger or w.
[12:26] <Fanfare> Hi @ all
[12:28] <Fanfare> Q: Is it possible to have plasma-desktop, plasma-netbook & plasma-active side by side? Meaning beeing able to showcast all variants by easy switching between them?
[12:31] <tsimpson> Fanfare: yes, you should be able to install the kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-netbook, and kubuntu-active packages on the same system and choose which to log into from the login manager
[12:32] <henshaw> lordievader: yeah, it's definitely kubuntu (who confirms and i've got it logged in on all the virtual terminals).
[12:32] <henshaw> the login screen looks like the userbar just with no users in the bar
[12:33] <lordievader> henshaw: Hmm, it could be a bug.
[12:35] <henshaw> lordievader: even changing the user face doesn't help
[12:36] <lordievader> henshaw: My I ask why you do not install it to the disk?
[12:37] <henshaw> because I just want to test something with a clean image. and you normally need to logout/login at least once after turning on kdebugdialog.
[12:37] <olli> Hello everyone! I've got a rather unspecific enquiry. I just wonder wheter the last major update had been generally w/o problems, because I consider updating my productive system during the holiday break.
[12:39] <henshaw> and it's one of the things the livecd should be for, really. trying out things in a vm with no fuss.
[12:40] <henshaw> switching to "classic" login screen works
[12:41] <Fanfare> Q: looking for a tool to send/receive SMS/calls while connected via internet stick...
[12:41] <BluesKaj> olli, if you are in  a production environment then 12.04 LTS is probly the best OS atm , stable and well supported . Upgrading to 12.,10 won't provide many serious advantages over 12.04
[12:42] <lordievader> henshaw: I'd say a virtualized install is beter for those things, since there is a difference between the live environment and the installed environment.
[12:43] <henshaw> true. but I'm fairly sure I can answer most of my questions with the live image. I'll install it anyway so I can try out project neon but for now it's live images.
[12:44] <olli> BluesKaj: thanks for the recommendation!
[12:45] <BluesKaj> olli, np
[12:51] <henshaw> I normally use fedora so I don't have a ubuntu account to file a bug
[12:54] <L3top> !bug
[13:05] <henshaw> my point was that there's a lot of friction to filing a ubuntu bug when I'm not intending to use it for long
[13:08] <L3top> friction? I fail to see it. You type that command... and walk away. I mean if you just can't be bothered... whatever... but dont blame the riggors of the process...
[13:11] <henshaw> L3top: you mean I don't have to register to use ubuntu-bug?
[13:12] <kubuntu> hola alguien que me pueda ayudar?
[13:12] <Guest20898> soy nuevo en esto y en linux...
[13:13] <Guest20898> hello???
[13:13] <hateball> !es
[13:13] <hateball> ok
[13:14] <lordievader> !es| Guest20898
[13:14] <lordievader> !es
[13:14] <lordievader> ubottu: Stop being annoying.
[13:15] <Guest20898> not only English?
[13:15] <newkubuntu> hi
[13:15] <newkubuntu> how can i create desktop icons?
[13:15] <Guest20898> someone speaks Spanish?
[13:15] <hateball> !es
[13:15] <lordievader> Guest20898: Yes this is an English channel if you want a spanish channel you need #ubuntu-es
[13:16] <hateball> newkubuntu: do you mean to launch applications or such?
[13:16] <Guest20898> wkubuntu: do you mean to launch applications or such?
[13:16] <newkubuntu> hateball: like icons for "computer/places", trash, network, home directory etc
[13:19] <henshaw> ubuntu-bug -> click "other" -> "What display problems do you observe?".
[13:19] <Guest20898> anyway if you can help me, I have a Satellite M30X-166 laptop I've installed kubuntu and wifi not going
[13:19] <Guest20898> nor trakpad if trakpad play the moves and then get stuck
[13:20] <henshaw> and then it crashes
[13:22] <henshaw> wow. this is the worst choose-your-own-adventure I have ever played
[13:24] <henshaw> ubuntu-bug -> "Security-related problems" -> "Other problem" = "This is expected as the is no 'tty' allocted when running commands directly via ssh."
[13:26] <henshaw> not trying to be rude. just that bugs you encounter when bug-hunting or bug-filing are a pretty annoying class of bug.
[14:26] <henshaw> so yes, I do need a launchpad account
[14:38] <alsitnetpc> hallo, here....
[14:38] <henshaw> odd. 'tail -g .xsession-errors' doesn't follow the file. e.g. turn something on in kdebugdialog, do something to cause output and observe no new output from tail. but ll or open the file and the output is there as expected
[14:39] <henshaw> s/tail -g/tail -f/
[14:49] <henshaw> can anyone reproduce this?
[14:57] <xgh>    hello !
[14:57] <xgh> I an xgh
[15:14] <Mailman> So I can't seem to adjust my screen brightness at all. The function buttons make a bar pop up that is supposedly the brightness level, but the actual brightness does not change. I'm on an Acer Aspire One running Kubuntu 12.04.
[15:18] <lordievader> Mailman: What gfx card does that machine have? And have you installed the driver for it?
[15:21] <Mailman> I;m not sure how to check that.
[15:23] <lordievader> Mailman: In a terminal run: "lspci |grep VGA"
[15:23] <BluesKaj> Mailman, sudo lshw -C video
[15:25] <Mailman> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Wrestler [Radeon HD 6290]
[15:26] <BluesKaj> Mailman, look in kmenu>system>additional drivers for the recommended driver and if available , install it
[15:26] <BluesKaj> kmenu>apps>system rather
[15:34] <keithzg> Even though it's explicitly set to by default, and I have a user picture configured in the "Password & User Account" module, LightDM isn't showing my user pic on the login screen.
[15:34] <keithzg>  Is this a known issue? I can't seem to find anything with a lazy google-ing.
[15:37] <henshaw> keithzg: could be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1059928 ? do you see any picture at all? I've seen no pictures at all on the livecd, but that's proabably a more drastic bug than the one linked or what you're seeing
[15:39] <BluesKaj> keithzg, yes it' is a known problem , I have the same issue
[15:40] <keithzg> henshaw: aha, yeah that would seem to be the bug
[15:40] <keithzg> BluesKaj: okay, definitely feel better that it isn't just me ;) Too bad the switch was made to LightDM with issues outstanding, but then again, if I didn't want anything to break I'd stick with an LTS ;)
[15:41] <BluesKaj> keithzg, I'm testing 13.04 atm , but lightdm does show the photo I chose
[15:42] <BluesKaj> so there is hope :)
[15:42] <keithzg> BluesKaj: oh, so it's fixed in 13.04 you mean? Well as long as it's in Release+1 I can sit happy, haha
[15:42] <keithzg> good to have things to look forward to.
[15:42] <m1cha> hi I disabled wireless in kubuntu 12.10 and I can't re-enable it because system hangs in the moment where i click on the checkbox
[15:43] <henshaw> but you see some picture, right? even if it's not the one you want
[15:43] <keithzg> henshaw: yeah, it's just the default generic picture
[15:44] <keithzg> henshaw: I haven't given LDAP users on this network pics yet, though; THAT will be interesting to see if it works even once the local-pics bit is fixed, haha
[15:44] <BluesKaj> keithzg, well , not all the GCC stuff has come up the pipe /into the repos yet so , there is a chance of breakage in the near future
[15:45] <keithzg> BluesKaj: oh, don't get me wrong, it's already ridiculous that I'm running 12.10 for my personal PC at a workplace where all the servers are, at best, upgraded to 12.04; I'm not going to hop on the 13.04 train anytime soon, heh
[15:45] <Mailman> Okay, installing the drivers worked. Thanks.
[15:45] <keithzg> just nice to know that issues have the potential to be resolved with upstream
[15:46] <henshaw> repeated question from earlier: does 'tail -f .xsession-errors' actually follow the file as it grows for anyone? it doesn't seem to on the livecd.
[15:46] <BluesKaj> keithzg, no I wasn't suggesting 13.04 at all . merely pointing out there's hope :)
[15:47] <BluesKaj> my 12.10 issue with lightdm is still not fixed , even with official release out
[15:48] <keithzg> BluesKaj: Fair enough :) And I see on that bug report that our intrepid apachelogger is on the case, so I have faith!
[15:48] <BluesKaj> keithzg, yup
[15:49] <keithzg> You mean this issue, or another issue?  I also have the issue with LightDM that when I log out, err, X dies entirely. But restarting the lightdm service *usually* solves that.
[15:49] <BluesKaj> keithzg, I still don't get the change from kdm tho , it's just a greeter after all
[15:50] <keithzg> BluesKaj, I can imagine it'd help keep the delta between Ubuntu and Kubuntu to a reasonable minimum, to help people who have both desktops installed.
[15:52] <keithzg> It makes sense to standardize on a DM that can run all desktops equally
[15:52] <BluesKaj> keithzg, that's going to be more difficult now that kubuntu has been taken over by a separate entity
[15:53] <keithzg> BluesKaj all the more reason to do what one can to keep/add integration
[15:53] <keithzg> Don't get me wrong, I really think that LightDM was plunked in too soon, at least from my experience with it so far. But I definitely can agree with the choice in principle.
[15:55] <Smurphy> If lightDM is capable of handling the finger-scanners, it's OK ...
[16:31] <myounis> Hi is anyone there?
[16:33] <BluesKaj> nope :)
[16:33] <BluesKaj> myounis, what's your question ?
[16:34] <myounis> I'm struck in a very annoying situation..
[16:34] <myounis> I just changed a little setting in my desktop effects and my computer has become slower than snail..
[16:34] <myounis> I then restored the previous setting but it didn't work.. then I restored the default setting, still it didn't work.
[16:34] <myounis> what' should I do??
[16:34] <FloodBotK1> myounis: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:36] <myounis> can  you help me with it BluesKaj?
[16:36] <lordievader> myounis: What "little thing" did you change?
[16:38] <myounis> lordievader, I changed the desktop switcher from slide to cube
[16:38] <lordievader> myounis: Did you disable the cube plugin?
[16:38] <myounis> How to do that??
[16:39] <myounis> lordievader, How to do that??
[16:39] <lordievader> myounis: System Settings -> Desktop Effects -> All Effects -> Window Management -> Desktop Cube
[16:43] <myounis> lordievader, okay.. thanks I'll just check it..
[16:43] <BluesKaj> lordievader, changing the switchwer from cube to slide shouldn't make things slower , it's actaully a lesser effect
[16:44] <lordievader> BluesKaj: It is the other way around.
[16:44] <lordievader> BluesKaj: He changed it from slide to cube.
[16:44] <BluesKaj> well, it doesn't seem so here
[16:44] <BluesKaj> yeah he changed it back
[16:45] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Yes but usually that leaves the plugin on, and perhaps that is creating trouble.
[16:45] <xixor> could he have changed the render possibly?  From raster to native or something
[16:46] <xixor> I like how you can't be taken seriously as a linux WM without some kind of rotating cube
[16:46] <myounis> lordievader, I did that but it didn't change anything.. I went to the Destop cube and unchecked it. applied the settings but the system is still slow..
[16:47] <lordievader> myounis: What do you have for Compositing type, its under the Advanced tab.
[16:47] <BluesKaj> myounis, check the rendering on the advanced tab, native or raster on the Qt graophics system
[16:47] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:48] <myounis> lordievader, It's OpenGL
[16:49] <lordievader> myounis: Does switching it to Xraster make your pc faster?
[16:49] <BluesKaj> my what about the Qt graphics , right below that
[16:49] <BluesKaj> myounis^
[16:49] <myounis> BluesKaj I can't find anything  like that in advance tab
[16:50] <myounis> sorry for later replying.. my system has become reallyy slow..
[16:50] <myounis> lordievader, I'l just check it..
[16:50] <BluesKaj> myounis, there's no button with native or raster ?
[16:51] <myounis> BluesKaj No.. ther is nothing like that..
[16:52] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:52] <myounis> lordievader, I changed it to Xrester.. and pc is a little faster now.. but not as fast as it was earlier..
[16:53] <lordievader> myounis: After you've changed the setting did you ever reboot?
[16:54] <myounis> lordievader, which settings.. the first time I changed them or now? I did reboot couple of times when I changed the setting first time. it was yesterday.
[16:54] <lordievader> myounis: Ok that was what I wanted to know.
[16:54] <myounis> lordievader, but this setting has totally messed up the graphics ov kickoff app launcher..
[16:55] <lordievader> myounis: Could you open the system monitor to see if there is something taking 100% cpu?
[16:55] <lordievader> myounis: Oh, you can put it back, was a test to see how your videocard was doing.
[16:55] <lordievader> myounis: Back to OpenGL I mean.
[16:57] <myounis> I checked the system monitor.. nothings is taking 100% cpu.. it's fluctuating.. ranging fomr 8 to 100%..
[16:58] <myounis> lordievader, I didn't understand what you said in later messages.. SHould I change it back to OpenGL?
[16:59] <myounis> lordievader, Wow.. It's pretty good now.. I just changed it back to OpenGL.. and it's faster and graphics are also good..
[17:00] <lordievader> myounis: Hmm, ok, euhh great?
[17:00] <myounis> lordievader and BluesKaj thanks a lot..  This problem was really annoying me.. Thank you..
[17:03] <BluesKaj> myounis, always use OpenGL
[17:04] <lordievader> Unless your video-card driver is failing.
[17:06] <myounis> Aah.. Okay.. If you guys have a little time, can I know the difference between the two? And if you understood the problem, what actually slowed down my system.. Because I face the problem when I was using Linuxmint too. And I had to more from KDE to XFCE..
[17:07] <lordievader> myounis: OpenGL is rendered on your videocard, in Xrender your CPU does the work. I do not know why it got a speed up from changing OpenGL->Xraster->OpenGL...
[17:09] <BluesKaj> myounis, do you have a separate pci graphics card installed ?
[17:10] <myounis> lordievader it got speed up when I changed from OpenGL->xrester. then it retained the speed when I changed from xraster->opengl
[17:11] <myounis> BluesKaj, no, I don't think so.. I have an old Dell Optiplex GX-280.. and almost everything inside is just built-in..
[17:50] <dabauer> I got a video from a candlestick site. How do I play it????
[17:51] <genii-around> dabauer: What is the file extension?
[17:51] <dabauer> .wmv\
[17:52] <dabauer> .wmv not with \
[17:53] <joachim> hallo leute
[17:55] <genii-around> !codecs
[17:56] <genii-around> dabauer: Generally installing kubuntu-restricted-extras should do it
[17:56] <keithzg> In general, VLC and XBMC will play anything you can throw at them. That'd be the lazy way.
[19:50] <Euroman> Hi Kubuntu
[19:50] <dniMretsaM_away> hi Euroman
[19:50] <lordievader> Hey Euroman how are you?
[19:50] <Euroman> ah good to see some living sould here
[19:50] <Euroman> sould = souls
[19:51] <m1cha> hey
[19:51] <m1cha> most people seems to be busy
[19:51] <m1cha> :P
[19:51] <lordievader> Dingen in init.d moeten altijd met root worden gedraaid...
[19:51] <lordievader> Sorry wrong window.
[19:51] <Euroman> Which version of KDE are you all running
[19:52] <Euroman> lol that should go in some Dutch channel I guess
[19:53] <lordievader> Euroman: I am, I'm running 4.9.2 in both 12.04 and 12.10.
[19:53] <dniMretsaM> I'm on 4.9.2 as well. Kubuntu 12.10 and openSUSE 12.2.6
[19:54] <Euroman> lordievader: I have upgraded a few days ago to 12.10 but the backporting approach does go well with Kubuntu as I've experienced with 4.7.x
[19:54] <genii-around> <- 4.9.2, 13.04 Development Version, Qt 4.8.3
[19:55] <m1cha> I have 4.9.2 on kubuntu 12.10
[19:55] <Euroman> dniMretsaM: how do they compare? I have never used any non-debian Linux
[19:55] <m1cha> kubuntu is debian :)
[19:55] <m1cha> just another GUI
[19:56] <dniMretsaM> Euroman: I actually get some better performance in openSUSE than Quantal.
[19:56] <Euroman> Are they running on the same machine?
[19:57] <dniMretsaM> I'm brand new to RPM-based systems, so a bit of a learning curve. had to add a repo to get 4.9 as well
[19:57] <dniMretsaM> yeah, they are
[19:58] <Euroman> That's interesting to read. Not that I will switch but still.
[19:59] <dniMretsaM> yeah, I doubt I'll switch completely either. but it is very nice
[19:59] <dniMretsaM> I had heard that openSUSE is the best KDE distro, so I decided to give it a try
[20:00] <Euroman> Are all the same packages available that *buntu has?
[20:01] <dniMretsaM> not in the basic repos. But the community has a great list of repos to add to get the software that you need
[20:02] <BluesKaj> !offtopic
[20:03] <dniMretsaM> oops, sorry
[20:03] <Euroman> my bad, I started the discussion ;)
[20:05] <BluesKaj> Euroman, please speak english not ghetto
[20:07] <dniMretsaM> BluesKaj: what "ghetto" lingo did he use?
[20:08] <tsimpson> dniMretsaM: I'd say BluesKaj was referring to "my bad"
[20:08] <BluesKaj> dniMretsaM, let's go to #kubuntu-offtopic to continue this
[20:09] <dniMretsaM> ok, will do.
[20:11] <Euroman> Sorry didn't know that was ghetto... well I will say no more off-topic stuff here from now on ;)
[20:19] <BluesKaj> I know everyone wants to be "cool" and all that . it's too bad that it's at the expense of proper grammar
[20:35] <Cymew> I have used the "Switch User" alternative from the start menue, and logged in again as a new user with a new session. For some very odd reason, as that user I have to start both plasma and kwin manually after getting past KDM. X starts, but nothing more. Any hints on how to debug that behaviour?
[20:38] <henshaw> I think the prescriptivism vs descriptivism war is over, dude.
[20:40] <genii-around> Cymew: Possibly you don't have a default X session type. What is result of: sudo update-alternatives --list x-window-manager    ?
[20:42] <genii-around> Cymew: If kde or startkde is in the list, then sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager    and choose it
[20:43] <Cymew> I take it that is to be run in the session where plasma et al is not starting? Just a sec.
[20:44] <genii-around> Yes, different terminal. The chouce should actually be kwin , i just checked it on my system here
[20:47] <Cymew> hmm it only shows kwin, actually.
[20:47] <Cymew> I wonder why kwin don't start then
[20:49] <genii-around> Cymew: Are all the files in that second users home directory belonging to them?
[20:50] <Cymew> yes
[20:57] <Cymew> Is there any documentation somewhere what steps are actually starting the KDE desktop environment, i.e. plasma & kwin and kinit and friends? I guess the code will show how they interconnect, but for those of us who don't read C++?
[21:08] <keithzg> Cymew: no idea about the documentation, but you could try installing Openbox. I say that because, once installed, Openbox gives you a session option for KDE with Openbox as the WM rather than KWin. That might help you debugging/testing your issue.
[21:10] <Cymew> Not sure I know where to go from that state either, but thanks for the suggestions! Any way to poke the problem for a new angle is helpful.
[21:14] <henshaw> Cymew: if you post the .xsession-errors from a bad login to a pastebin (and link it here) someone might be able to spot the problem
[21:15] <Cymew> kglobalaccel(2155) GlobalShortcutsRegistry::registerKey: Registering key "Ctrl+Alt+V" for "klipper" : "show_klipper_popup"
[21:15] <Cymew> that seems to be th eonly thing in the error file, oddly enough
[21:15] <henshaw> the whole thing
[21:15] <henshaw> oh
[21:16] <Cymew> I could try to kill all sessions and restart to make sure there's not anything hidden among those lines, I guess.
[21:16] <Cymew> I'm really mystified by these problems, as you can guess.
[21:17] <Cymew> Now I'm almost falling alseep, so that has to wait until tomorrow, though.
[21:18] <Cymew> Many thanks to all who have chimed in, it has been most helpful and maybe it will give me some new angle to address this issue. Thanks!
[21:33] <sekisushai> hi
[21:33] <monkeyjuice> Hi
[21:33] <sekisushai> i would like to install a paquet without the dependancies
[21:34] <lordievader> Hey sekisushai, monkeyjuice
[21:34] <sekisushai> indeed i've compiled by myself the dependancies, and i don't want those in the repo
[21:34] <sekisushai> so how should i proceed
[21:36] <sekisushai> any idea
[21:36] <sekisushai> it's something like dkpg --force install maybe but i'm not sure
[22:04] <Quintasan> sekisushai: sudo dpkg --force-install <deb package> but I don't really recommend doing that
[23:11] <solidsnake> ola
[23:13] <Fanfare> Help, my default logout dialog is gone. instead i get the logout dialog from plasma-active (i think)
[23:59] <mr-rich> anyone here get Skype working with Telepathy?