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[08:13] <ogra-nx7> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Ubuntu-Installer-fuer-Nexus-7-veroeffentlicht-1737977.html
[08:14] <ogra-nx7> for the germans in here
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[08:35] <morphis> janimo: ping
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[09:07] <janimo> morphis, pong
[09:08] <morphis> janimo: saw you did the the linux-firmware package for the nexus7
[09:08] <janimo> morphis, right, added the google nexus binaries needed for wifi and bluetooth in the regular linux-image package
[09:08] <morphis> janimo: ok, you thought about the licensing stuff?
[09:09] <morphis> as I am a little bit confused wether it's allowed to redistribute the binaries
[09:09] <janimo> morphis, yes. It is not clear yet, hence it is not in the main archives
[09:09] <janimo> waiting for some decisions from above
[09:09] <janimo> morphis, it is blurry indeed
[09:09] <morphis> ok, I have the same issue over at the webos-ports project (maybe you know about it)
[09:09] <morphis> not regarding the nexus7 but the galaxy nexus phone
[09:10] <janimo> morphis, yes, heard about it
[09:10] <LetoThe2nd> ogra-nx7: yay for nx7 ;)
[09:10] <morphis> ok, so you're on the way finding about the legal situation and if we're allowed to redistribute the binaries?
[09:10] <janimo> morphis, I have not read the EULA but I think from what I glanced from it it does not allow redistribution
[09:10] <ogra-nx7> LetoThe2nd, :)
[09:10] <morphis> yes, thats what I gather from it too
[09:11] <morphis> but I am not a lawyer
[09:11] <janimo> morphis, yes, I just forwarded the request inside Canonical. No ideas when a decision is made.
[09:11] <morphis> ok
[09:11] <janimo> morphis, in either case you can probably reuse whatever the official Ubuntu solution on the nexus will be
[09:12] <morphis> yes, will be a solution for wifi/bluetooth part
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[09:22] <morphis> janimo: thanks a lot for the infos
[09:22] <janimo> morphis, np
[09:24] <marvin24> janimo: I received the (lgpl licensed) source for libgstomx (gstreamer plugin for tegra*)
[09:25] <marvin24> do you think one could make a package out of it?
[09:25] <janimo> ogra-nx7, ^ :)
[09:25] <marvin24> the source for libgstnvxvimagesink is till missing though
[09:25] <janimo> marvin24, I know ogra has been packaging some video codecs at least
[09:25] <janimo> marvin24, not yet released or no plan for releasing?
[09:26] <marvin24> janimo: it's on gitorious, wait ...
[09:26] <marvin24> https://gitorious.org/nvtegra-gst/gstomx
[09:26] <marvin24> but just the raw stuff from nv
[09:27] <marvin24> needs a lot of work to get something useful out of it
[09:27] <marvin24> (I even haven't tried yet)
[09:28] <janimo> marvin24, and this uses their binary OMX support libs?
[09:28] <marvin24> janimo: half of it
[09:28] <marvin24> there are two files needed
[09:29] <marvin24> libgstnvxvimagesink is missing
[09:29] <marvin24> it is linked against their binary only libs
[09:30] <marvin24> and based upon the official gstream omx plugin (http://freedesktop.org/wiki/GstOpenMAX)
[09:30] <marvin24> so a "patch" would be sufficient
[09:31] <marvin24> I don't know if ubuntu already ships this library
[09:31] <marvin24> it has support for omap already as it seems
[09:35] <ogra-nx7> marvin24, after uds i'll look into that
[09:36] <ogra-nx7> the tegra2 codecs package is stuck in NEW atm
[09:44] <marvin24> ogra-nx7: plugin is also for tegra3 I think
[09:45] <ogra-nx7> yep, should be very high level
[09:45] <ogra-nx7> but it will need a dep/recomends for he codecs
[09:46] <ogra-nx7> so codecs have to in go first
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[11:20] <xranby_ac100> Monday 2012-10-29 schedule: #linaro #linaroconnect http://summit.linaro.org/lce12/2012-10-29/ and #ubuntu #uds http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/2012-10-29/ - remote participation is possible
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[11:25] <ogra-nx7> rsalveti, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-rebuild-gl-games-for-gles do you know how much linaro has done in that direction yet ?
[11:31] <xranby_ac100> ogra-nx7: on this topic. for java opengl games we till try to produce tutorials: http://forum.jogamp.org/Jake2-JOGL2-Port-tp4026412.html
[11:41] <ogra-nx7> xranby_ac100, awesome !
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[11:46] <xranby_ac100> ogra-nx7: cheers
[11:49] <xranby_ac100> ogra-nx7: is this blueprint scheduled during uds or linaroconnect?
[11:49] <xranby_ac100> i would love to attend it.
[11:52] <ogra-nx7> xranby_ac100, i just gave it to seb128, it should show up on the schedule at some point, just subscribe as essential
[11:53] <xranby_ac100> great i will attend
[12:09] <ben1066> heh, nexus 7 scores about 130 on glmark2-es2
[12:30] <rsalveti> ogra_: not many yet, but it'd be nice to review it anyway
[12:36] <ben1066> Im not sure Ubuntu likes me, my confirmation code was PrlckL >_>
[12:40] <RoyK> ben1066: :D
[12:40] <ben1066> Need to remember to watch the Valve one later...
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[13:05] <jayrads> Hi all, question about installing ubuntu on nexus 7. If I want to go back to android, can I just restore a nandroid or flash a ROM? Didn't notice it on the wiki
[13:28] <jayrads> Is this the wrong channel for my previous question? Anyone?
[13:28] <achiang> jayrads: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation#Returning_your_Nexus_7_to_Stock_Android
[13:29] <jayrads> achiang: Ahh, thank you :)
[13:29] <achiang> np
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[14:24] <ben1066> Hmm
[14:24] <ben1066> If we held back the packages needed for nexus 7
[14:24] <ben1066> could be add security and updates?
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[15:33] <bizulk> while I had time I did wanted to test the bug correction for ubuntu precise on arm (Bug 1058022). So I inserted my old card : and now the boot process is stuck on "waiting for network configuration". I don't have a valid ethernet config I must set it after booting.
[15:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1058022 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "no tidspbridge support in kernel." [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1058022
[15:33] <bizulk> cool this bot parse my msg to post any bug reference...
[15:34] <GrueMaster> bizulk: Which platform is this?
[15:34] <bizulk> GrueMaster: beagleboard xM
[15:35] <GrueMaster> Yea, that has been problematic for a long time.  I filed several bugs to get the proper kernel module built-in instead of modular, but no one seems to care.
[15:37] <bizulk> GrueMaster: I remember I had this pb, but the boot wasn't stuck on this. But may retry my backup restore (I did dd backup when everything was fine)
[15:39] <GrueMaster> Interesting that bug 1058022 shows "Fix Committed", but bug 838200 only shows confirmed.  They're the same issue.
[15:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1058022 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "no tidspbridge support in kernel." [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1058022
[15:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 838200 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "No network support on Beagle XM" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838200
[15:42] <bizulk> GrueMaster: 'xcuse me but tidspbridge has nothing to do with network support
[15:45] <GrueMaster> iirc, the bridge is needed for ethernet and audio to work.  Granted, it has been a while since I tested BEagleXM (3/2012), but that was the issue I had since Natty.
[15:47] <bizulk> GrueMaster: tidspbridge is about DSP/CPU communication
[15:49] <GrueMaster> Ok, then I'm thinking on another bug of mine.  Bottom line is I had submitted a config fix for these issues, but they were ignored.
[15:50] <bizulk> GrueMaster: refresh their "memory"
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[15:56] <GrueMaster> Ah, I was thinking of bug 925094 (which also had a patch for bug 838200).  But as I said, I stopped working on beagleXM around 12.04 Beta 1.
[15:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 925094 in linux (Ubuntu) "No audio on omap (beagleXM) system" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/925094
[15:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 838200 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "No network support on Beagle XM" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838200
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[16:38] <ojn> I'm getting 404 on http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/. Looks like something has happened and there's now a ubuntu-ports/ubuntu-ports/dists dir. This breaks apt-get, etc.
[16:38] <ojn> Not sure if there's an infrastructure channel to bugreport on?
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[17:57] <ben1066> Ubuntu on Nexus 10 and Nexus 4? Make it happen :P
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[21:10] <keithzg> Seems like the Nexus 4 might be an issue depending on the cellular radio. Hell, the Nexus 7 with 3G might pose an interesting challenge.
[21:17] <keithzg> I'm actually shocked the Nexus 7 apparently works as well as it does; most of the time with these commercial devices, the driver situation is too ugly
[21:17] <keithzg> That's what's held up the Vivaldi, they can't even find a supplier who'll give them source code.
[21:22] <GrueMaster> For the most part, Arm SOC's have been fairly open.  It is only the graphics that have been closed.  Granted, this is critical for any GUI interface development.
[21:27] <nikis> I used my Nexus 7 with 3G today.
[21:27] <nikis> Worked great.
[21:28] <nikis> Though I was cheating and using an external 3G dongle ;)
[21:28] <nikis> OTG cables are nice.
[21:43] <mlankhorst> well
[21:44] <keithzg> GrueMaster I'd say the cellular stacks have also been closed. It's only two areas . . . but without graphics or cellular networking, well, that's why we mostly aren't installing real Linux on our phones yet.
[21:45]  * mlankhorst points at his n9
[21:45] <mlankhorst> real linux!
[21:45] <keithzg> a great example
[21:45] <keithzg> of how that's an issue :(
[21:46] <keithzg> luckily we can install stuff because Nokia employees working under their NDAs have written the drivers that'd be needed
[21:46] <keithzg> that's why if I wanted I could install whatever I wanted on my N900 or N9! And that's awesome, but it's far from common.
[21:47] <keithzg> Hopefully Jolla takes that a step further, since it's based on Mer. The only thing that makes me sad about that is it's RPM rather than DEB, and I think I speak for many people here when I say I far prefer the Debian way :)
[21:48]  * keithzg still hasn't gotten tired of using apt-get on his phone
[21:48] <mlankhorst> it is rpm based? >:(
[21:48] <keithzg> Yeah, Mer is RPM based, since MeeGo was.
[21:49] <keithzg> The N9 is Harmattan, ie. Nokia's Debian-based Distro with as many of the same packages as MeeGo has.
[21:49] <keithzg> So applications written for the N9 will (in theory) run fine on anything Mer based with the rest of the stack, but the underlying system is yum/rpm rather than apt/deb.
[22:12] <mlankhorst> :-(
[22:27] <keithzg> To be fair, the days of RPM Hell are mostly gone. Red Hat seems to have ironed how the issues, embarassed by the mindshare dominance Debian was enjoying.
[22:47] <GrueMaster>  I'd have to agree with this.  A large part of the rpm hell was the lack of a repository management system (like apt).  If you run dpkg -i on a downloaded package without having the required pre-requisites, it will complain just as much as rpm -i will.
[22:48] <GrueMaster> Although the apt solution is far more mature than the various rpm solutions (zypper, yum, etc).
[22:50] <baggers> HI all, I'm currently trying to compile ECL http://ecls.sourceforge.net/ for the nexus7. I can see that the older version 11.1.1 has been packaged and is in the repos. Is there any way to find out what configure options were used to get it to build? I'm a real newbie to all this side of things having been spoilt with scripting languages for too long!
[22:54] <GrueMaster> baggers: Which distro release?
[22:54] <GrueMaster> Oh, nm.  Found it.
[22:56] <baggers> Ah it must be something in the latest version (12.7.1) that is causing the issue as the nexus is building 11.1.1 from source now without issues
[22:57] <GrueMaster> If you go to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecl/11.1.1-4ubuntu1, you can download the build source and see the build logs.  This may help in getting a newer build to compile.  Not sure (been a while since I built a deb package from updated source).
[23:00] <baggers> Cheers, I'll have a read. The error that was thrown on trying to 'make' was :/tmp/ccVddsAh.s:72: Error: thumb conditional instruction should be in IT block -- `strexeq r4,r1,[r2]'...which from a quick google seems to be a known issue for arm7 with some software but to be honest it was so far over my head that I barely heard the woosh it made as it sailed by!
[23:01] <GrueMaster> Heh.
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