[04:08] <Symmetria> hrm
[04:09] <Symmetria> expect issues on the net in the next coupla hours
[04:09]  * Symmetria has memories of the issues seen on the net post 9/11
[06:32] <Squirm> hi
[07:09] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[07:09] <superfly> morning Kilos
[07:15] <psydroid> morning Kilos
[07:15] <psydroid> morning superfly
[07:15] <Kilos> hiya psydroid hows things
[07:17] <inetpro> good morning
[07:18] <psydroid> morning inetpro
[07:18] <inetpro> Symmetria: Hurricane Sandy?
[07:18] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[07:18] <psydroid> Kilos they're fine, I'm still barely awake
[07:18] <Kilos> hehe
[07:19] <psydroid> and what are you up to these days?
[07:19] <psydroid> I'm going back to messing with Kubuntu later today
[07:19] <inetpro> 29/10 06:09:07 <Symmetria> expect issues on the net in the next coupla hours
[07:19] <inetpro> for those who missed Symmetria's posting ^^ earlier this morning
[07:19] <Kilos> just playing with 12.04 kde and learning more about making usb startup disks
[07:20] <Kilos> oh my inetpro thats not good
[07:20] <Kilos> Symmetria, fix it
[07:20] <plustwo> good morning
[07:20] <psydroid> using usb-creator-kde?
[07:20] <Kilos> hi plustwo 
[07:20] <psydroid> morning plustwo
[07:20] <plustwo> hi folks
[07:20] <Kilos> im using the creator on unity
[07:21] <Kilos> but just twigged something. there is a block ticked that says save documents and setting
[07:21] <Kilos> s
[07:21] <psydroid> I've had instances in which the creator didn't create correct flash drives
[07:21] <psydroid> so I generally use unetbootin for that
[07:22] <Kilos> mine has worked fine for installing but battled to get 3g working
[07:23] <Kilos> so just made a new usb and gonna check again when i get the energy
[07:23] <psydroid> sure
[07:23] <Kilos> i struggling some with a rather heavy dose of flu
[07:24] <psydroid> it looks like an ordeal to get it working after each installation
[07:24] <psydroid> oh, I see
[07:24] <Kilos> feels like it wants to advance to kneemonia and smallcox
[07:24] <Kilos> oops
[07:24] <psydroid> but isn't it spring in ZA?
[07:24] <superfly> hi psydroid, inetpro, plustwo
[07:25] <psydroid> hehe
[07:25] <Kilos> yeah looking at it saving documents and settings on the stick means you gotta get it right first time
[07:25] <Kilos> yeah just past spring so dunno where the bug came from
[07:25] <Kilos> sure the fly sent it up here
[07:26] <Kilos> having flu is like having supper to peeps in capetown
[07:26] <plustwo> any one playing with "arduino" in this room?
[07:27] <tonberry352_> i think Kerbero does it in his living room
[07:27] <Kerbero> lol
[07:28] <plustwo> heh
[07:28] <Kerbero> http://www.jpmeijers.com/drupal/node/12
[07:35] <psydroid> hoi Kerbero
[07:35] <Kerbero> goedemorgen
[07:36] <psydroid> hi tonberry352_
[07:38] <superfly> nice one Kerbero
[07:38] <Kilos> lo Kerbero tonberry352_ 
[07:57]  * plustwo thinks of joining house4hack guys ...
[08:13] <Kilos> i go try kde again. wbb
[09:13] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[09:13]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[09:13] <charlvn> good morning all
[09:17] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[09:33] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[09:33] <Maaz> charlvn: No problem
[14:57] <zeref> *crickets* *crickets* 
[14:57] <Vince-0> *ditto* *ditto*
[16:06] <KilosK> evening all
[16:06] <Vince-0> haai
[16:10] <inetpro> guten abend
[16:10] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[16:10]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[16:14] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro!
[16:19] <KilosK> hi inetpro 
[16:20] <inetpro> Maaz: ta
[16:20] <Maaz> Dis 'n groot plesier
[16:21] <KilosK> whats news on 12.10 dvd's?
[16:23] <KilosK> me and kde 12.04 have a love/hate relationship
[16:23] <KilosK> Maaz, seen Trix[a]r_za 
[16:23] <Maaz> KilosK: Trix[a]r_za has been online on freenode since 2012-10-28 18:38:58 PDT
[16:25] <KilosK> inetpro, next meeting is kinda outa date methinks
[16:27] <KilosK> hmm pta on the map. highest drug monthly drug turnover per month in the country
[18:09] <charlvn> good evening
[18:09] <charlvn> it's been very silent here today
[18:10] <charlvn> monday and everyone is busy :)
[18:11] <Cantide> hi :p
[18:11] <Cantide> yeah
[18:11] <Cantide> such are Mondays ._.
[18:11] <Cantide> *shakes fist*
[18:13] <Cantide> hey Kilos '-'
[18:13] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[18:15]  * Kilos sulks
[18:16] <Cantide> ?
[18:16]  * Cantide asks Maaz to make coffee for Kilos
[18:16] <Kilos> cant get 3g to work in kde anymore
[18:16] <Cantide> Maaz: coffee on
[18:16]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[18:16] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:16] <Maaz> Kilos: There's already a pot on. If you ask nicely, maybe you can have a cup
[18:16] <Cantide> Kilos, what about unity? '-'
[18:16] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[18:16] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[18:16] <Kilos> im on unity now
[18:17] <Cantide> and is it working?
[18:17] <Kilos> did a clean install of kde and cant remember how i got nm to work before
[18:17] <Cantide> oh
[18:17] <Cantide> heh
[18:17] <Kilos> ya unity is trouble free here
[18:17] <Cantide> but does it work in Unity at least?
[18:18] <Kilos> kde is on another drive completyely
[18:18] <Cantide> aha
[18:18] <Cantide> do you prefer KDE to Unity by any chance?
[18:18] <Cantide> :p
[18:19] <Kilos> a bit yes. i was getting used to kde and then messed it up so did clean install and dunno how i got 3g working before
[18:19] <Cantide> hmm
[18:20] <Kilos> works to cell phone fine but cant see modem at all so no mobile broadband choice
[18:20] <Kilos> grrr
[18:20] <Cantide> maybe if you play around you will get it right again
[18:20] <Kilos> lol you mean more installs?
[18:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Cantide and Kilos!
[18:20] <Kilos> hee hee
[18:20] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[18:20] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[18:20] <Cantide> Maaz, thanks :)
[18:20] <Maaz> no problem, Cantide
[18:21] <Cantide> i mean play with settings and packages and things
[18:21] <Kilos> it doesnt even give me a choice to connect when installing
[18:21] <Cantide> but i am no expert on nm and i have never used kde
[18:21] <Cantide> so i can't really be of help ._.
[18:21] <Kilos> its an experience
[18:21] <Kilos> very different but got some great ways of doing things
[18:21] <Cantide> :)
[18:21] <Cantide> i'll try it out some day
[18:22] <Cantide> seemed a bit heavy for my liking
[18:22] <Cantide> but now Unity is heavy, too
[18:22] <Cantide> so ._.
[18:22] <Kilos> ya unity is a bit slow
[18:22] <Cantide> yeah..
[18:22] <Cantide> i should try lxde or something >_>
[18:23] <Cantide> actually there are many lightweight options
[18:23] <Cantide> but unity is a little pretty
[18:23] <Kilos> lol
[18:23] <Kilos> i used a kde backup to unity and now i got 10 desktops to choose from
[18:23] <Kilos> hehe
[18:24] <Cantide> :p
[18:24] <Cantide> 10 virtual desktops?
[18:24] <Kilos> that myunity never worked well for me
[18:24] <Cantide> or 10 different desktop environments?
[18:24] <Kilos> ya
[18:24] <Cantide> oh
[18:24] <Cantide> '-'
[18:24] <Kilos> workspaces
[18:24] <Cantide> 1 is usually enough for me
[18:24] <Cantide> so 4 is definitely enough
[18:24] <Kilos> i get lost with all the minimising
[18:25] <Kilos> now each running app has its own workspace
[18:25] <Cantide> lol
[18:25] <Cantide> strange solution :D
[18:26] <Kilos> i only got one working eye thats also a bit old so i find the easy way out
[18:26] <Cantide> ah, cool :)
[18:26] <Cantide> different solutions for different needs '-'
[18:26] <Kilos> yip
[18:26] <Kilos> hows the studies laddy
[18:27] <Kilos> min dae
[18:27] <Cantide> they are going okay :p
[18:27] <Cantide> exams start on Thursday, yay!
[18:27] <Kilos> good is better than ok
[18:28] <Cantide> :p
[18:28] <Cantide> well, the day before each exam, they will go WELL
[18:28] <Cantide> haha
[18:28] <Kilos> good luck lad. do your best
[18:28] <Cantide> thanks '-'
[18:28] <Cantide> it's the final hurdle, so I am sure I will make it
[18:28] <Cantide> have to :)
[18:32] <Cantide> T.S. Eliot is not reading himself ._.
[18:33] <Kilos> isnt he dead yet
[18:33] <Kilos> im think i read books of his donkeys years ago
[18:33] <Kilos> books poems whateva
[18:46] <Cantide> hehe
[18:47] <Cantide> yeah
[18:47] <Cantide> i like his writing
[18:56] <charlvn> good evening Kilos, Cantide 
[18:56] <Kilos> evening charlvn 
[18:56] <charlvn> i took lubuntu for another spin today but it definitely has an issue with wallpaper management when it's run inside vmware
[18:56] <charlvn> further it works brilliantly and very fast
[18:56] <charlvn> i am still going to stick to the "plain" ubuntu for now though, just because it looks a heck of a lot better ;)
[18:57] <Kilos> lol
[18:57] <charlvn> but lubuntu is great for its purpose (small, light-weight, fast)
[18:57] <Kilos> what is the plain ubuntu?
[18:57] <charlvn> standard ubuntu i mean with unity
[18:57] <charlvn> not with an alternative desktop
[18:57] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:57] <charlvn> the only thing i noticed is that the launch screen is very slow under 12.10
[18:57] <charlvn> it used to be a lot faster even in vmware under 12.04
[18:58] <charlvn> but all-round it works the best for me, even though i stick to gnome3 on my laptop on 12.10
[18:58] <charlvn> kubuntu 12.10 also works really really well and is very fast
[18:58] <charlvn> but for some reason doesn't look that elegant
[18:58] <Kilos> thats what i wanna try next
[18:59] <charlvn> kubuntu?
[18:59] <Kilos> elegant is not always important
[18:59] <Kilos> ya kubuntu
[18:59] <smileE17> chakra is the best (for KDE)
[18:59] <smileE17> :p
[18:59] <Kilos> kde 12.04 made me want to see more
[18:59] <charlvn> no of course not, performance is imho more important
[18:59] <charlvn> but i have seen significantly nicer kde4 setups out of the box than kubuntu
[19:00] <charlvn> not entirely sure what they are aiming for but it isn't bad though
[19:00] <Kilos> i just hope the got 3g sorted
[19:00] <charlvn> smileE17: i actually tried the latest version of chakra inside vmware today but couldn't get it to boot
[19:00] <Cantide> smileE17, what about enlightenment? is it good?
[19:00] <charlvn> smileE17: got some really strange errors about not being able to mount the boot partition or something
[19:00] <Kilos> i think thats my only complaint on 12.04
[19:01] <smileE17> Cantide: it's good :) if you choose a good implementation/theme/version
[19:01] <Cantide> '-'
[19:01] <smileE17> I tried E17 a year ago, or so :p
[19:01] <smileE17> and it was crashy then :p
[19:01] <Cantide> seems your nick is still trying it :p
[19:01] <smileE17> but on Bodhi Linux, it isn't (anymore)
[19:01] <Kilos> lol
[19:01] <smileE17> I'm using it, Cantide :P
[19:01] <Cantide> :)
[19:01] <smileE17> Daily use :)
[19:02] <smileE17> Just used the Faenza icons instead of the disgusting default ones
[19:02] <charlvn> i could never entirely get a grip on enlightenment
[19:02] <charlvn> i think it's just something you have to get used to
[19:02] <smileE17> well it's not an easy desktop environment. A lot of options
[19:03] <charlvn> it feels to me like the "power user" version of a desktop environment on gnu/linux
[19:03] <charlvn> and because i spend most of my time at the command line i don't get too much out of it
[19:03] <charlvn> for me it's just important to be able to start up applications easily and switch between windows
[19:03] <charlvn> and gnome3 does that really well for me
[19:04] <charlvn> if i can "deploy" a desktop for myself with minimal configuration hassles i'll go for it :)
[19:04] <Cantide> what about the application stack/
[19:04] <Cantide> ?
[19:04] <Cantide> that's the one thing i worry about when changing desktop environments
[19:08] <charlvn> application stack? not entirely sure what you mean
[19:09] <Cantide> errr
[19:09] <Cantide> i mean the programs that can be installed
[19:09] <Cantide> don't they differ depending on the DE?
[19:10] <charlvn> no of course not :)
[19:10] <charlvn> why would they?
[19:10] <Cantide> hmm
[19:10] <charlvn> of course, themeing is another issue...
[19:10] <Cantide> i was just under that impression because many distros have different file browsers, web browsers etc
[19:10] <charlvn> yeah sure but that's just a default choice
[19:10] <Cantide> and they seem to have "alternative" applications
[19:11] <Cantide> oh
[19:11] <charlvn> you can always customise that later based on your own preferences
[19:11] <Cantide> then i am sorely misguided :D
[19:11] <Cantide> thanks '-'
[19:11] <charlvn> np :)
[19:11] <charlvn> a logical assumption
[19:16] <confluency> You can run any program in any desktop environment.
[19:17] <confluency> Some people are obsessive about only running applications that "match" their DE, which drives me nuts.
[19:17] <Tonberry> gtk in kde is kinda wobbly in 12.04
[19:17] <confluency> If there's anything that really "matches", it's the toolkit.
[19:17] <Tonberry> at least with the unity theme
[19:17] <Tonberry> acht
[19:17] <Tonberry> oxygen theme
[19:18] <confluency> What's "wobbly"?
[19:18] <Tonberry> well, background colour is sometimes incorrect
[19:18] <confluency> I've never actually run KDE, but I use all kinds of QT apps. They run just fine next to my GTK apps in Fluxbox.
[19:18] <Tonberry> like when selecting something in nautilus
[19:18] <Tonberry> and eclipse has some issue with its tree lists on some machines
[19:19] <Tonberry> nothing too broken
[19:19] <confluency> I've seen small theming issues, but nothing that actually makes the app not work.
[19:20] <Tonberry> gtk2 to gtk3 move is still not perfect in kde
[19:20] <Cantide> gn!
[19:20] <charlvn> nn Cantide 
[19:20] <confluency> The theming?
[19:21] <Tonberry> yes
[19:21] <charlvn> Tonberry: if you do have some issues, mostly that can be fixed by installing a few extra packages
[19:21] <Kilos> night can
[19:21] <Tonberry> i suspect it is better in 12.10
[19:21] <charlvn> inconsistencies are unavoidable though
[19:21] <Kilos> whew
[19:21] <confluency> I have successfully themed GTK3 apps without the GNOME settings manager running; you just need to write some files in your home directory.
[19:21] <Tonberry> small issues mostly
[19:22] <confluency> I've had equal opportunity weirdness with QT and GTK apps because I run neither GNOME nor KDE. ;)
[19:22] <Tonberry> i can imagine
[19:23] <charlvn> lol
[19:23] <charlvn> i used to run openbox for some time, i had some irritating issues myself but also nothing major
[19:24] <charlvn> and if i had one application that acted up i just replaced it with an alternative
[19:24] <charlvn> for example, if my terminal emulator gave me hassles, well, there are a ton out there :)
[19:24] <smileE17> Enlightenment apps are ugly :P
[19:25] <smileE17> that's why I prefer their GTK counterparts :p
[19:25] <Squirm> hi
[19:27] <smileE17> byeee :)
[19:28] <Kilos> toods smileE17 
[19:28] <charlvn> ciao smileE17 
[19:28] <smileE17> good night oom Kilos & charlvn :)
[19:28] <charlvn> hi Squirm 
[19:28] <Kilos> haha
[19:28] <charlvn> :D
[19:29] <Kilos> yo Squirm y
[19:29] <smileE17> good night, Squirm 
[19:29] <smileE17> :)
[19:29] <Kilos> night guys. have a good night and sleep tight
[19:29] <Kilos> see youall tomorrow
[19:33] <charlvn> nn all