| ailo | len-dt: Haven't heard of one for 12.10, but I'll ask about it. I'm sitting in a session with Ubuntu kernel devs right now | 09:11 |
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| ailo | I wouldn't mind suggestions on what to bring up during the US uds session. | 09:40 |
| ailo | Someone on precise? | 09:42 |
| ailo | We should test the -lowlatency update in the kernel team repo ppa:canonical-kernel-team/ppa | 09:43 |
| ailo | I might be able tonight, or tomorrow | 09:43 |
| astraljava | ailo: I can do, tonight when I get home. | 09:51 |
| ailo | len-dt: Actually, if there's a lowlatency as proposed, then there aught to be a generic also | 10:41 |
| ailo | I haven't followed closely on that procedure, but would believe it's standard procedure when making updates to the kernel | 10:44 |
| knome | ailo, hey, you already around? | 10:49 |
| ailo | knome: Yeah, where are you? I'm at the session about improving the wubi installer | 10:50 |
| ailo | I'll be at the kernel config session next | 10:51 |
| knome | ailo, i'm in the session about ubuntu dev videos with pleia2 | 10:51 |
| knome | not coming to the kernel session though ;) | 10:51 |
| ailo | knome: We should meet up at lunch time. Any place we can meet? | 10:51 |
| ailo | Maybe the exit from the session area (B) | 10:52 |
| ailo | I wonder if anyone has invented "getting warmer" apps for smart phones yet | 10:53 |
| knome | yeah, lunch sounds doable | 10:55 |
| knome | let's fix the place later | 10:56 |
| knome | ailo, you should join ##ubuntu-uds-nordic | 11:07 |
| ttoine | hi | 12:19 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work, you gonna join that raring planning meeting remotely? | 13:08 |
| smartboyhw | ailo, ping if you are here | 13:10 |
| knome | smartboyhw, he's not there, he's here | 13:11 |
| ailo | I'm here and there, and will be back again | 13:11 |
| ailo | Reference to Bilbo | 13:11 |
| smartboyhw | knome, ailo how are you guys enjoying UDS? | 13:12 |
| ailo | smartboyhw: pong | 13:12 |
| knome | smartboyhw, backache, but otherwise it's fine | 13:12 |
| smartboyhw | knome, :D | 13:12 |
| ailo | smartboyhw: It's fine. Just had lunch with knome and some other guys. Got some time with Andy from the kernel team. | 13:12 |
| smartboyhw | ailo, good. I'm participating remotely on the Raring planning session:D | 13:13 |
| ailo | So, hopefully, by the end of the week, I'll be handling some of the kernel maintenance for lowlatency | 13:13 |
| smartboyhw | ailo, good:D | 13:13 |
| ailo | smartboyhw: Yea, let's see if anyone shows up :) | 13:13 |
| smartboyhw | ailo, :) | 13:14 |
| ailo | Valve is on now | 13:14 |
| ailo | Gotta watch this | 13:14 |
| scott-work | smartboyhw: i will try, but i cannot commit currently as work is a little crazy at the moment | 13:14 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work, oh:( | 13:14 |
| scott-work | i would expect steam to make a large announcement during UDS | 13:15 |
| scott-work | i wonder what other big announcements would be made | 13:15 |
| knome | ailo, i registered to the meeting now at least | 13:16 |
| smartboyhw | I now register:P | 13:17 |
| smartboyhw | ailo, something interesting | 13:17 |
| smartboyhw | If you feel that your participation is required for this topic, please contact or Kaj Ailomaa, otherwise, please select one of the options above. | 13:17 |
| smartboyhw | What does that mean? | 13:17 |
| micahg_mobile | Valve presentation at the moment in the plenary | 13:17 |
| len-dt | smartboyhw, have you thought any more about the text plymouth? | 13:18 |
| knome | smartboyhw, if person X is marked as "required" to two or more sessions, the scheduler will do it's best to avoid scheduling those sessions parallel. | 13:18 |
| smartboyhw | len-dt, nothing | 13:18 |
| smartboyhw | knome, ah | 13:18 |
| len-dt | smartboyhw, just wondering if you want me to take your update as is or change it. | 13:19 |
| smartboyhw | len-dt, change it to no version then | 13:19 |
| len-dt | smartboyhw, do you feel that is right or just giving in... or busy :) | 13:21 |
| smartboyhw | len-dt, giving in:P | 13:21 |
| ailo | smartboyhw: No one's particion will be essential, unless someone comes up with a reason for that, so it's enought just to participate | 13:25 |
| smartboyhw | ailo, did:P | 13:25 |
| ailo | scott-work: No big announcement from Valve. Just some info we already knew more or less. And - we all get a beta key to the Linux steam client. | 13:26 |
| ailo | Not sure what he said about the beta key, so I need to ask someone later about that | 13:26 |
| ailo | Something about launchpad users, or perhaps only UDS... | 13:26 |
| knome | probably uds only | 13:27 |
| knome | i'm shutting the laptop now | 13:28 |
| knome | see you | 13:28 |
| smartboyhw | bye knome | 13:28 |
| smartboyhw | ailo, I now see two people in the B3-M1 hangout. Which one are you? | 14:03 |
| smartboyhw | Actually I see a lot of people in there now:P | 14:11 |
| smartboyhw | Ah forget about it | 14:11 |
| smartboyhw | ailo, better question: Which session are you in now? | 14:11 |
| ailo | smartboyhw: I'm not in that one | 14:25 |
| ailo | b3-m5 | 14:25 |
| jta | good morning holstein and ailo | 14:30 |
| ailo | jta: Greetings from Copenhagen | 14:31 |
| jta | : ) | 14:31 |
| ailo | About uploading apps to Ubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppDevUploadProcess | 14:32 |
| jta | k, i will put that in my project dev notes file | 14:33 |
| ailo | jta: That's under development. Being discussed in the Ubuntu Developer Summit right now | 14:33 |
| jta | ahhh, ok... | 14:34 |
| ailo | jta: I think the best way to upload is still to upload to debian | 14:34 |
| ailo | And make changes there | 14:34 |
| smartboyhw | Hello jta :D | 14:34 |
| jta | like we discussed, I will share the workflow ideas with you guys as I go | 14:34 |
| jta | hey smartboyhw | 14:34 |
| jta | ailo: well i will be relying on you guys to guide me, I like being a team player | 14:35 |
| ailo | The Ubuntu App upload process is a way to get apps into Software Center. It's a form of Mac | 14:35 |
| ailo | Sorry | 14:35 |
| jta | i am only a loner when it's required to get things done | 14:35 |
| ailo | It's a form of app store thing, for all sorts of devices | 14:36 |
| smartboyhw | jta, one word: Welcome! | 14:36 |
| jta | smartboyhw: ty | 14:36 |
| jta | i was here a few years ago, I am finally picking back up on the project, it feels good to be back | 14:36 |
| smartboyhw | jta, oh:D | 14:37 |
| ailo | jta: I think we should just find a way to make use of your expertise in the best way | 14:37 |
| jta | ailo agreed | 14:38 |
| ailo | jta: Most of us have zero knowledge of professional graphic and video production | 14:38 |
| * jta does not want to duplicate work or reinvent the wheel | 14:38 | |
| ailo | During this cycle, I think we'll be reorganizing a bit. Creating dev docs. | 14:38 |
| jta | ailo well the good thing is I am also an audio engineer...there are not many crossovers like me that do both professionally | 14:38 |
| smartboyhw | and user docs, and testing docs | 14:38 |
| jta | maybe one out of 20 in my field can even do both at a basic level | 14:39 |
| smartboyhw | jta, two things we are gonna focus on this cycle: docs and dev | 14:39 |
| jta | k smartboyhw | 14:39 |
| ailo | jta: Maybe a good place would be just to start with what is missing from Ubuntu Studio for anything | 14:39 |
| jta | I will need to assess the current state of visual apps in the distro anyways, I might be able to provide some straight forward workflow docs | 14:40 |
| * jta nods at ailo | 14:40 | |
| ailo | jta: Did you check about your launchpad account? | 14:40 |
| ailo | jta: I could point you to the right places right away | 14:41 |
| jta | it's on my list...my priority this morning is just saying hello and doing my work scheduling...I will be able to do more as the week progresses | 14:42 |
| ailo | jta: The way we work now is we have blueprints for everything we're going to do during the cycle. This is a list of them for Raring https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/RaringBlueprintsCategories | 14:42 |
| ailo | jta: You'd only need to focus on a few | 14:42 |
| ailo | jta: Workflows, especially video and graphics, but of course you could do more if you want | 14:43 |
| jta | k | 14:43 |
| ailo | jta: Workflows means selecting applications, tweaking builds, etc | 14:43 |
| * jta has had his headphones on for 10 minutes...it's probably time to turn on some music, lol... | 14:43 | |
| ailo | jta: Also, under Documentation there are the workflows | 14:44 |
| ailo | jta: User docs, that is | 14:44 |
| jta | k, i'll check it out | 14:44 |
| ailo | jta: Since we don't have anyone else much working on video and graphics workflows, you'd be making your own lists of work items (with feedback from the team of course) | 14:45 |
| ailo | The important part is creating the workitems, so that we can see what needs to be done | 14:46 |
| jta | that's the same as it was before | 14:46 |
| ailo | Eventually, we can get more people working on the items | 14:46 |
| jta | sounds good, there will be some dependency issues we will need to resolve | 14:46 |
| jta | of course | 14:46 |
| jta | I am big on framework, so anybody should be able to jump right in and work with me...i usually don't hack things together and I document as I go | 14:47 |
| ailo | jta: The workitems under each blueprint help informing everyone of what is going on, like here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-r-audio | 14:48 |
| ailo | jta: If you try Ubuntu Studio 12.10, maybe you'll find a lot of things missing from it. All you need to do is write up a list of workitems like those in the link | 14:49 |
| ailo | Then we know what needs to be done | 14:49 |
| jta | k | 14:49 |
| ailo | jta: You're of course free to use any additional means of documentation, but if you like to keep things easy, listing workitems already does a lot | 14:50 |
| ailo | I think for cooperation, docs become really important | 14:51 |
| * jta nods | 14:51 | |
| ailo | After a workitem has been listed, people might have opinions. In that situation, a discussion arrives, and a solution is found at the end. If no one has opinions, all you need to do is implement the work item | 14:52 |
| ailo | I'm going to suggest some kinf of procedure for this later. One which means at least one person will be giving feedback on every change to Ubuntu Studio | 14:52 |
| ailo | Also giving every dev much freedom at the same time | 14:53 |
| ailo | While it is good to have democracy about everything, it is also helpful to be able to work independently | 14:53 |
| jta | lol...I have a short in my headphones cord and when I turn my head it has a flanging effect...that's very strange | 15:02 |
| ailo | Would pinta be useful for anything? http://pinta-project.com/ | 15:16 |
| jta | if you have the nina and santa maria also then you have a discovery fleet? ; ) | 15:17 |
| ailo | Question is, what is there to discover? | 15:18 |
| scott-work | hi jta, i look forward to hearing your input on the work flows | 15:18 |
| jta | new workflows? | 15:18 |
| jta | lol... | 15:18 |
| jta | ty, scott-work ...I am in need of a good live distro to give people I am working with so this project has recently become a priority again...good to be back | 15:18 |
| jta | just a big picture note, I work live events so my priority personally is speed, but the people I am sharing the distro are studio workers, so it's the other side of the coin | 15:21 |
| scott-work | jta: ah, that was slightly confusing at first. when you mentioned "live" distro i thought you meant a distro that could be run from a "live DVD" (i.e. load dvd, reboot computer, run OS from DVD) | 16:09 |
| scott-work | jta: but i believe you mean a distro that can function well during a live performance (i.e. lowlatency, speed) | 16:09 |
| jta | yes, I mean live CD/DVD...but I also use linux in a live environment, so I mean both : ) | 16:10 |
| jta | I am encouraging others to try linux...and then assisting them with install fests if they want to install | 16:11 |
| jta | scott-work: so it would be a "look at this" for the live distro for others...I will be installing it for live production myself...so again, it's both sides of the coin | 16:12 |
| ailo | jta: I guess both have the same prerequisite: it needs to perform well and include the apps you need. Question is, how many usecases can we not cover at all, if any? | 16:21 |
| ailo | I'd like to work from the perspective that you can use the live iso for every concievable multimedia workflow that is supported on Ubuntu | 16:35 |
| jta | ailo how is the settings to USB feature working out so far? that would be an important component for the distro to be used beyond just trying it out | 16:38 |
| ailo | jta: USB feature? | 16:38 |
| ailo | You can create a live usb stick using unetbootin, and the like | 16:39 |
| shnatsel | ailo: real-time music production requires a semi-official Ubuntu flavor, Ubuntu Studio; other multimedia workflows should be fine | 16:39 |
| shnatsel | oops | 16:39 |
| shnatsel | wrong channel XD | 16:39 |
| shnatsel | sorry | 16:40 |
| ailo | I thought that was an interesting remark, one that we probably are aware of. | 16:41 |
| ailo | Just that, now, we'd like Ubuntu Studio to become a bit more for non audio people than just Ubuntu with a few graphic and video apps | 16:41 |
| jta | ailo, yes, the live usb stick is fine...but some still want a CD/DVD that will write settings to USB...not necessarily a bootable USB distro | 16:42 |
| ailo | jta: Ok, so you want persistent user settings | 16:42 |
| jta | yes..but there are variations on that themes...some will let you install on the usb to add packages...some mount it as home...stuff like that... | 16:43 |
| ailo | I've never looked into how that happens. Puredyne used a script to generate a live USB stick like that | 16:43 |
| jta | I don't know what the SOTA is for that with Ubuntu, my info is like two years old | 16:43 |
| jta | yes, I have used puredyne | 16:44 |
| ailo | I guess the least we could do is to provide a script like the one Puredyne used. | 16:44 |
| jta | it's not necessary at this point but it is part of the workflow I had previously | 16:44 |
| ailo | Someone would need to code it. I'll add it as a workitem to the ISO blueprint | 16:45 |
| jta | I will give you guys an outline on my typical live workflow, that way I don't "nickle and dime" you with ideas | 16:45 |
| jta | the bottom line is I use a lot of computers from rental places and clients so I frequently take them over with a live distro, i can use up to 6 computers for one event | 16:46 |
| jta | but that's just my use in live media production, not necessarily the people I am sharing the distro with | 16:47 |
| jta | since graphics is my #1 job and audio #2, I use blender because of ease of installation and deleting it | 16:48 |
| ailo | jta: What kind of events are they? What are you using blender for? | 16:52 |
| jta | corporate events...general sessions so it's motion graphics, like in powerpoint on steroids as I call it | 16:54 |
| jta | so I take plain powerpoints and make them more hollywood type | 16:55 |
| ailo | jta: What of it is live? I'm assuming either user controlled sequencing (simple case: flipping slides), or things like cameras adding to the generated video | 16:57 |
| ailo | jta: Paging. Not flipping :) | 16:57 |
| scott-work | jta: do you use blender for video editing as well? | 17:03 |
| contrapunctus | jta, ailo, is puredyne based on anything? (like Ubuntu, or Debian) | 17:09 |
| ailo | contrapunctus: puredyne 910 was based on Ubuntu 9.10 | 17:09 |
| ailo | contrapunctus: puredyne used XFCE and was geared towards live audio | 17:10 |
| scott-work | but there was also the other -dyne that was based on something else, no? | 17:10 |
| jta | ailo, yes, I started with blender in live events using it as a video editor and in assembling still frame sequences | 17:10 |
| ailo | The earlier -dyne was Debian based | 17:10 |
| ailo | There might be another -dyne based on Debian in the future. Not a lot of activity right now | 17:10 |
| ailo | Gotta go. bbl | 17:11 |
| scott-work | dyne-bolic is what i'm thinking about | 17:11 |
| scott-work | hi micahg_mobile, how is UDS going so far? | 17:11 |
| micahg_mobile | Good | 17:13 |
| contrapunctus | Hm, I see...Thanks, ailo. | 17:14 |
| ttoine | who is at the UDS this time ? | 17:18 |
| knome | ailo is, and me and micahg_mobile are here too | 17:19 |
| ttoine | yeah. invited by canonical ? | 17:20 |
| knome | micahg_mobile works for canonical, me and ailo are sponsored :) | 17:21 |
| ttoine | great | 17:21 |
| ttoine | I had this chance in november 2006 ;-) | 17:21 |
| knome | mmh, this is my second one, first one was in 2008 | 17:21 |
| ttoine | I saw that scott and kaj are working on the doc ? | 17:21 |
| contrapunctus | Folks...might be unrelated, but...is there any IRC channel which Linux GAME devs frequent? | 17:51 |
| jta | linux? Hmmm, blender it's #gameblender ...linux in general i don't know | 17:52 |
| scott-work | ttoine: others are working as well, i think, did you want to help or have something to add? | 18:03 |
| contrapunctus | Thanks jta ^^ | 18:07 |
| contrapunctus | I hope to do music for Linux games :D | 18:08 |
| jta | contrapunctus: yw | 18:16 |
| ailo | btw, I met persia | 21:03 |
| ailo | Long time no see | 21:03 |
| ttoine | scott-work: I checked your blueprints. I will take some time this week to see more in details. | 23:25 |
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