[09:11] len-dt: Haven't heard of one for 12.10, but I'll ask about it. I'm sitting in a session with Ubuntu kernel devs right now [09:40] I wouldn't mind suggestions on what to bring up during the US uds session. [09:42] Someone on precise? [09:43] We should test the -lowlatency update in the kernel team repo ppa:canonical-kernel-team/ppa [09:43] I might be able tonight, or tomorrow [09:51] ailo: I can do, tonight when I get home. [10:41] len-dt: Actually, if there's a lowlatency as proposed, then there aught to be a generic also [10:44] I haven't followed closely on that procedure, but would believe it's standard procedure when making updates to the kernel [10:49] ailo, hey, you already around? [10:50] knome: Yeah, where are you? I'm at the session about improving the wubi installer [10:51] I'll be at the kernel config session next [10:51] ailo, i'm in the session about ubuntu dev videos with pleia2 [10:51] not coming to the kernel session though ;) [10:51] knome: We should meet up at lunch time. Any place we can meet? [10:52] Maybe the exit from the session area (B) [10:53] I wonder if anyone has invented "getting warmer" apps for smart phones yet [10:55] yeah, lunch sounds doable [10:56] let's fix the place later [11:07] ailo, you should join ##ubuntu-uds-nordic [12:19] hi [13:08] scott-work, you gonna join that raring planning meeting remotely? [13:10] ailo, ping if you are here [13:11] smartboyhw, he's not there, he's here [13:11] I'm here and there, and will be back again [13:11] Reference to Bilbo [13:12] knome, ailo how are you guys enjoying UDS? [13:12] smartboyhw: pong [13:12] smartboyhw, backache, but otherwise it's fine [13:12] knome, :D [13:12] smartboyhw: It's fine. Just had lunch with knome and some other guys. Got some time with Andy from the kernel team. [13:13] ailo, good. I'm participating remotely on the Raring planning session:D [13:13] So, hopefully, by the end of the week, I'll be handling some of the kernel maintenance for lowlatency [13:13] ailo, good:D [13:13] smartboyhw: Yea, let's see if anyone shows up :) [13:14] ailo, :) [13:14] Valve is on now [13:14] Gotta watch this [13:14] smartboyhw: i will try, but i cannot commit currently as work is a little crazy at the moment [13:14] scott-work, oh:( [13:15] i would expect steam to make a large announcement during UDS [13:15] i wonder what other big announcements would be made [13:16] ailo, i registered to the meeting now at least [13:17] I now register:P [13:17] ailo, something interesting [13:17] If you feel that your participation is required for this topic, please contact or Kaj Ailomaa, otherwise, please select one of the options above. [13:17] What does that mean? [13:17] Valve presentation at the moment in the plenary [13:18] smartboyhw, have you thought any more about the text plymouth? [13:18] smartboyhw, if person X is marked as "required" to two or more sessions, the scheduler will do it's best to avoid scheduling those sessions parallel. [13:18] len-dt, nothing [13:18] knome, ah [13:19] smartboyhw, just wondering if you want me to take your update as is or change it. [13:19] len-dt, change it to no version then [13:21] smartboyhw, do you feel that is right or just giving in... or busy :) [13:21] len-dt, giving in:P [13:25] smartboyhw: No one's particion will be essential, unless someone comes up with a reason for that, so it's enought just to participate [13:25] ailo, did:P [13:26] scott-work: No big announcement from Valve. Just some info we already knew more or less. And - we all get a beta key to the Linux steam client. [13:26] Not sure what he said about the beta key, so I need to ask someone later about that [13:26] Something about launchpad users, or perhaps only UDS... [13:27] probably uds only [13:28] i'm shutting the laptop now [13:28] see you [13:28] bye knome [14:03] ailo, I now see two people in the B3-M1 hangout. Which one are you? [14:11] Actually I see a lot of people in there now:P [14:11] Ah forget about it [14:11] ailo, better question: Which session are you in now? [14:25] smartboyhw: I'm not in that one [14:25] b3-m5 [14:30] good morning holstein and ailo [14:31] jta: Greetings from Copenhagen [14:31] : ) [14:32] About uploading apps to Ubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppDevUploadProcess [14:33] k, i will put that in my project dev notes file [14:33] jta: That's under development. Being discussed in the Ubuntu Developer Summit right now [14:34] ahhh, ok... [14:34] jta: I think the best way to upload is still to upload to debian [14:34] And make changes there [14:34] Hello jta :D [14:34] like we discussed, I will share the workflow ideas with you guys as I go [14:34] hey smartboyhw [14:35] ailo: well i will be relying on you guys to guide me, I like being a team player [14:35] The Ubuntu App upload process is a way to get apps into Software Center. It's a form of Mac [14:35] Sorry [14:35] i am only a loner when it's required to get things done [14:36] It's a form of app store thing, for all sorts of devices [14:36] jta, one word: Welcome! [14:36] smartboyhw: ty [14:36] i was here a few years ago, I am finally picking back up on the project, it feels good to be back [14:37] jta, oh:D [14:37] jta: I think we should just find a way to make use of your expertise in the best way [14:38] ailo agreed [14:38] jta: Most of us have zero knowledge of professional graphic and video production [14:38] * jta does not want to duplicate work or reinvent the wheel [14:38] During this cycle, I think we'll be reorganizing a bit. Creating dev docs. [14:38] ailo well the good thing is I am also an audio engineer...there are not many crossovers like me that do both professionally [14:38] and user docs, and testing docs [14:39] maybe one out of 20 in my field can even do both at a basic level [14:39] jta, two things we are gonna focus on this cycle: docs and dev [14:39] k smartboyhw [14:39] jta: Maybe a good place would be just to start with what is missing from Ubuntu Studio for anything [14:40] I will need to assess the current state of visual apps in the distro anyways, I might be able to provide some straight forward workflow docs [14:40] * jta nods at ailo [14:40] jta: Did you check about your launchpad account? [14:41] jta: I could point you to the right places right away [14:42] it's on my list...my priority this morning is just saying hello and doing my work scheduling...I will be able to do more as the week progresses [14:42] jta: The way we work now is we have blueprints for everything we're going to do during the cycle. This is a list of them for Raring https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/RaringBlueprintsCategories [14:42] jta: You'd only need to focus on a few [14:43] jta: Workflows, especially video and graphics, but of course you could do more if you want [14:43] k [14:43] jta: Workflows means selecting applications, tweaking builds, etc [14:43] * jta has had his headphones on for 10 minutes...it's probably time to turn on some music, lol... [14:44] jta: Also, under Documentation there are the workflows [14:44] jta: User docs, that is [14:44] k, i'll check it out [14:45] jta: Since we don't have anyone else much working on video and graphics workflows, you'd be making your own lists of work items (with feedback from the team of course) [14:46] The important part is creating the workitems, so that we can see what needs to be done [14:46] that's the same as it was before [14:46] Eventually, we can get more people working on the items [14:46] sounds good, there will be some dependency issues we will need to resolve [14:46] of course [14:47] I am big on framework, so anybody should be able to jump right in and work with me...i usually don't hack things together and I document as I go [14:48] jta: The workitems under each blueprint help informing everyone of what is going on, like here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-r-audio [14:49] jta: If you try Ubuntu Studio 12.10, maybe you'll find a lot of things missing from it. All you need to do is write up a list of workitems like those in the link [14:49] Then we know what needs to be done [14:49] k [14:50] jta: You're of course free to use any additional means of documentation, but if you like to keep things easy, listing workitems already does a lot [14:51] I think for cooperation, docs become really important [14:51] * jta nods [14:52] After a workitem has been listed, people might have opinions. In that situation, a discussion arrives, and a solution is found at the end. If no one has opinions, all you need to do is implement the work item [14:52] I'm going to suggest some kinf of procedure for this later. One which means at least one person will be giving feedback on every change to Ubuntu Studio [14:53] Also giving every dev much freedom at the same time [14:53] While it is good to have democracy about everything, it is also helpful to be able to work independently [15:02] lol...I have a short in my headphones cord and when I turn my head it has a flanging effect...that's very strange [15:16] Would pinta be useful for anything? http://pinta-project.com/ [15:17] if you have the nina and santa maria also then you have a discovery fleet? ; ) [15:18] Question is, what is there to discover? [15:18] hi jta, i look forward to hearing your input on the work flows [15:18] new workflows? [15:18] lol... [15:18] ty, scott-work ...I am in need of a good live distro to give people I am working with so this project has recently become a priority again...good to be back [15:21] just a big picture note, I work live events so my priority personally is speed, but the people I am sharing the distro are studio workers, so it's the other side of the coin [16:09] jta: ah, that was slightly confusing at first. when you mentioned "live" distro i thought you meant a distro that could be run from a "live DVD" (i.e. load dvd, reboot computer, run OS from DVD) [16:09] jta: but i believe you mean a distro that can function well during a live performance (i.e. lowlatency, speed) [16:10] yes, I mean live CD/DVD...but I also use linux in a live environment, so I mean both : ) [16:11] I am encouraging others to try linux...and then assisting them with install fests if they want to install [16:12] scott-work: so it would be a "look at this" for the live distro for others...I will be installing it for live production myself...so again, it's both sides of the coin [16:21] jta: I guess both have the same prerequisite: it needs to perform well and include the apps you need. Question is, how many usecases can we not cover at all, if any? [16:35] I'd like to work from the perspective that you can use the live iso for every concievable multimedia workflow that is supported on Ubuntu [16:38] ailo how is the settings to USB feature working out so far? that would be an important component for the distro to be used beyond just trying it out [16:38] jta: USB feature? [16:39] You can create a live usb stick using unetbootin, and the like [16:39] ailo: real-time music production requires a semi-official Ubuntu flavor, Ubuntu Studio; other multimedia workflows should be fine [16:39] oops [16:39] wrong channel XD [16:40] sorry [16:41] I thought that was an interesting remark, one that we probably are aware of. [16:41] Just that, now, we'd like Ubuntu Studio to become a bit more for non audio people than just Ubuntu with a few graphic and video apps [16:42] ailo, yes, the live usb stick is fine...but some still want a CD/DVD that will write settings to USB...not necessarily a bootable USB distro [16:42] jta: Ok, so you want persistent user settings [16:43] yes..but there are variations on that themes...some will let you install on the usb to add packages...some mount it as home...stuff like that... [16:43] I've never looked into how that happens. Puredyne used a script to generate a live USB stick like that [16:43] I don't know what the SOTA is for that with Ubuntu, my info is like two years old [16:44] yes, I have used puredyne [16:44] I guess the least we could do is to provide a script like the one Puredyne used. [16:44] it's not necessary at this point but it is part of the workflow I had previously [16:45] Someone would need to code it. I'll add it as a workitem to the ISO blueprint [16:45] I will give you guys an outline on my typical live workflow, that way I don't "nickle and dime" you with ideas [16:46] the bottom line is I use a lot of computers from rental places and clients so I frequently take them over with a live distro, i can use up to 6 computers for one event [16:47] but that's just my use in live media production, not necessarily the people I am sharing the distro with [16:48] since graphics is my #1 job and audio #2, I use blender because of ease of installation and deleting it [16:52] jta: What kind of events are they? What are you using blender for? [16:54] corporate events...general sessions so it's motion graphics, like in powerpoint on steroids as I call it [16:55] so I take plain powerpoints and make them more hollywood type [16:57] jta: What of it is live? I'm assuming either user controlled sequencing (simple case: flipping slides), or things like cameras adding to the generated video [16:57] jta: Paging. Not flipping :) [17:03] jta: do you use blender for video editing as well? [17:09] jta, ailo, is puredyne based on anything? (like Ubuntu, or Debian) [17:09] contrapunctus: puredyne 910 was based on Ubuntu 9.10 [17:10] contrapunctus: puredyne used XFCE and was geared towards live audio [17:10] but there was also the other -dyne that was based on something else, no? [17:10] ailo, yes, I started with blender in live events using it as a video editor and in assembling still frame sequences [17:10] The earlier -dyne was Debian based [17:10] There might be another -dyne based on Debian in the future. Not a lot of activity right now [17:11] Gotta go. bbl [17:11] dyne-bolic is what i'm thinking about [17:11] hi micahg_mobile, how is UDS going so far? [17:13] Good [17:14] Hm, I see...Thanks, ailo. [17:18] who is at the UDS this time ? [17:19] ailo is, and me and micahg_mobile are here too [17:20] yeah. invited by canonical ? [17:21] micahg_mobile works for canonical, me and ailo are sponsored :) [17:21] great [17:21] I had this chance in november 2006 ;-) [17:21] mmh, this is my second one, first one was in 2008 [17:21] I saw that scott and kaj are working on the doc ? [17:51] Folks...might be unrelated, but...is there any IRC channel which Linux GAME devs frequent? [17:52] linux? Hmmm, blender it's #gameblender ...linux in general i don't know [18:03] ttoine: others are working as well, i think, did you want to help or have something to add? [18:07] Thanks jta ^^ [18:08] I hope to do music for Linux games :D [18:16] contrapunctus: yw [21:03] btw, I met persia [21:03] Long time no see [23:25] scott-work: I checked your blueprints. I will take some time this week to see more in details.