[09:11] <ailo> len-dt: Haven't heard of one for 12.10, but I'll ask about it. I'm sitting in a session with Ubuntu kernel devs right now
[09:40] <ailo> I wouldn't mind suggestions on what to bring up during the US uds session.
[09:42] <ailo> Someone on precise?
[09:43] <ailo> We should test the -lowlatency update in the kernel team repo ppa:canonical-kernel-team/ppa
[09:43] <ailo> I might be able tonight, or tomorrow
[09:51] <astraljava> ailo: I can do, tonight when I get home.
[10:41] <ailo> len-dt: Actually, if there's a lowlatency as proposed, then there aught to be a generic also
[10:44] <ailo> I haven't followed closely on that procedure, but would believe it's standard procedure when making updates to the kernel
[10:49] <knome> ailo, hey, you already around?
[10:50] <ailo> knome: Yeah, where are you? I'm at the session about improving the wubi installer
[10:51] <ailo> I'll be at the kernel config session next
[10:51] <knome> ailo, i'm in the session about ubuntu dev videos with pleia2
[10:51] <knome> not coming to the kernel session though ;)
[10:51] <ailo> knome: We should meet up at lunch time. Any place we can meet?
[10:52] <ailo> Maybe the exit from the session area (B)
[10:53] <ailo> I wonder if anyone has invented "getting warmer" apps for smart phones yet
[10:55] <knome> yeah, lunch sounds doable
[10:56] <knome> let's fix the place later
[11:07] <knome> ailo, you should join ##ubuntu-uds-nordic 
[12:19] <ttoine> hi
[13:08] <smartboyhw> scott-work, you gonna join that raring planning meeting remotely?
[13:10] <smartboyhw> ailo, ping if you are here
[13:11] <knome> smartboyhw, he's not there, he's here
[13:11] <ailo> I'm here and there, and will be back again
[13:11] <ailo> Reference to Bilbo
[13:12] <smartboyhw> knome, ailo how are you guys enjoying UDS?
[13:12] <ailo> smartboyhw: pong
[13:12] <knome> smartboyhw, backache, but otherwise it's fine
[13:12] <smartboyhw> knome, :D
[13:12] <ailo> smartboyhw: It's fine. Just had lunch with knome and some other guys. Got some time with Andy from the kernel team. 
[13:13] <smartboyhw> ailo, good. I'm participating remotely on the Raring planning session:D
[13:13] <ailo> So, hopefully, by the end of the week, I'll be handling some of the kernel maintenance for lowlatency
[13:13] <smartboyhw> ailo, good:D
[13:13] <ailo> smartboyhw: Yea, let's see if anyone shows up :)
[13:14] <smartboyhw> ailo, :)
[13:14] <ailo> Valve is on now
[13:14] <ailo> Gotta watch this
[13:14] <scott-work> smartboyhw: i will try, but i cannot commit currently as work is a little crazy at the moment
[13:14] <smartboyhw> scott-work, oh:(
[13:15] <scott-work> i would expect steam to make a large announcement during UDS
[13:15] <scott-work> i wonder what other big announcements would be made
[13:16] <knome> ailo, i registered to the meeting now at least
[13:17] <smartboyhw> I now register:P
[13:17] <smartboyhw> ailo, something interesting
[13:17] <smartboyhw> If you feel that your participation is required for this topic, please contact or Kaj Ailomaa, otherwise, please select one of the options above.
[13:17] <smartboyhw> What does that mean?
[13:17] <micahg_mobile> Valve presentation at the moment in the plenary
[13:18] <len-dt> smartboyhw, have you thought any more about the text plymouth?
[13:18] <knome> smartboyhw, if person X is marked as "required" to two or more sessions, the scheduler will do it's best to avoid scheduling those sessions parallel.
[13:18] <smartboyhw> len-dt, nothing 
[13:18] <smartboyhw> knome, ah
[13:19] <len-dt> smartboyhw, just wondering if you want me to take your update as is or change it.
[13:19] <smartboyhw> len-dt, change it to no version then
[13:21] <len-dt> smartboyhw, do you feel that is right or just giving in... or busy :)
[13:21] <smartboyhw> len-dt, giving in:P
[13:25] <ailo> smartboyhw: No one's particion will be essential, unless someone comes up with a reason for that, so it's enought just to participate
[13:25] <smartboyhw> ailo, did:P
[13:26] <ailo> scott-work: No big announcement from Valve. Just some info we already knew more or less. And - we all get a beta key to the Linux steam client.
[13:26] <ailo> Not sure what he said about the beta key, so I need to ask someone later about that
[13:26] <ailo> Something about launchpad users, or perhaps only UDS...
[13:27] <knome> probably uds only
[13:28] <knome> i'm shutting the laptop now
[13:28] <knome> see you
[13:28] <smartboyhw> bye knome 
[14:03] <smartboyhw> ailo, I now see two people in the B3-M1 hangout. Which one are you?
[14:11] <smartboyhw> Actually I see a lot of people in there now:P
[14:11] <smartboyhw> Ah forget about it
[14:11] <smartboyhw> ailo, better question: Which session are you in now?
[14:25] <ailo> smartboyhw: I'm not in that one
[14:25] <ailo> b3-m5
[14:30] <jta> good morning holstein and ailo 
[14:31] <ailo> jta: Greetings from Copenhagen
[14:31] <jta> : )
[14:32] <ailo> About uploading apps to Ubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppDevUploadProcess
[14:33] <jta> k, i will put that in my project dev notes file
[14:33] <ailo> jta: That's under development. Being discussed in the Ubuntu Developer Summit right now
[14:34] <jta> ahhh, ok...
[14:34] <ailo> jta: I think the best way to upload is still to upload to debian
[14:34] <ailo> And make changes there
[14:34] <smartboyhw> Hello jta :D
[14:34] <jta> like we discussed, I will share the workflow ideas with you guys as I go
[14:34] <jta> hey smartboyhw 
[14:35] <jta> ailo: well i will be relying on you guys to guide me, I like being a team player
[14:35] <ailo> The Ubuntu App upload process is a way to get apps into Software Center. It's a form of Mac
[14:35] <ailo> Sorry
[14:35] <jta> i am only a loner when it's required to get things done
[14:36] <ailo> It's a form of app store thing, for all sorts of devices
[14:36] <smartboyhw> jta, one word: Welcome!
[14:36] <jta> smartboyhw: ty
[14:36] <jta> i was here a few years ago, I am finally picking back up on the project, it feels good to be back
[14:37] <smartboyhw> jta, oh:D
[14:37] <ailo> jta: I think we should just find a way to make use of your expertise in the best way
[14:38] <jta> ailo agreed
[14:38] <ailo> jta: Most of us have zero knowledge of professional graphic and video production
[14:38]  * jta does not want to duplicate work or reinvent the wheel
[14:38] <ailo> During this cycle, I think we'll be reorganizing a bit. Creating dev docs. 
[14:38] <jta> ailo well the good thing is I am also an audio engineer...there are not many crossovers like me that do both professionally
[14:38] <smartboyhw> and user docs, and testing docs
[14:39] <jta> maybe one out of 20 in my field can even do both at a basic level
[14:39] <smartboyhw> jta, two things we are gonna focus on this cycle: docs and dev
[14:39] <jta> k smartboyhw 
[14:39] <ailo> jta: Maybe a good place would be just to start with what is missing from Ubuntu Studio for anything
[14:40] <jta> I will need to assess the current state of visual apps in the distro anyways, I might be able to provide some straight forward workflow docs
[14:40]  * jta nods at ailo
[14:40] <ailo> jta: Did you check about your launchpad account?
[14:41] <ailo> jta: I could point you to the right places right away
[14:42] <jta> it's on my list...my priority this morning is just saying hello and doing my work scheduling...I will be able to do more as the week progresses
[14:42] <ailo> jta: The way we work now is we have blueprints for everything we're going to do during the cycle. This is a list of them for Raring https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/RaringBlueprintsCategories
[14:42] <ailo> jta: You'd only need to focus on a few
[14:43] <ailo> jta: Workflows, especially video and graphics, but of course you could do more if you want
[14:43] <jta> k
[14:43] <ailo> jta: Workflows means selecting applications, tweaking builds, etc
[14:43]  * jta has had his headphones on for 10 minutes...it's probably time to turn on some music, lol...
[14:44] <ailo> jta: Also, under Documentation there are the workflows
[14:44] <ailo> jta: User docs, that is
[14:44] <jta> k, i'll check it out
[14:45] <ailo> jta: Since we don't have anyone else much working on video and graphics workflows, you'd be making your own lists of work items (with feedback from the team of course)
[14:46] <ailo> The important part is creating the workitems, so that we can see what needs to be done
[14:46] <jta> that's the same as it was before
[14:46] <ailo> Eventually, we can get more people working on the items
[14:46] <jta> sounds good, there will be some dependency issues we will need to resolve
[14:46] <jta> of course
[14:47] <jta> I am big on framework, so anybody should be able to jump right in and work with me...i usually don't hack things together and I document as I go
[14:48] <ailo> jta: The workitems under each blueprint help informing everyone of what is going on, like here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-r-audio
[14:49] <ailo> jta: If you try Ubuntu Studio 12.10, maybe you'll find a lot of things missing from it. All you need to do is write up a list of workitems like those in the link
[14:49] <ailo> Then we know what needs to be done
[14:49] <jta> k
[14:50] <ailo> jta: You're of course free to use any additional means of documentation, but if you like to keep things easy, listing workitems already does a lot
[14:51] <ailo> I think for cooperation, docs become really important
[14:51]  * jta nods
[14:52] <ailo> After a workitem has been listed, people might have opinions. In that situation, a discussion arrives, and a solution is found at the end. If no one has opinions, all you need to do is implement the work item
[14:52] <ailo> I'm going to suggest some kinf of procedure for this later. One which means at least one person will be giving feedback on every change to Ubuntu Studio
[14:53] <ailo> Also giving every dev much freedom at the same time
[14:53] <ailo> While it is good to have democracy about everything, it is also helpful to be able to work independently
[15:02] <jta> lol...I have a short in my headphones cord and when I turn my head it has a flanging effect...that's very strange
[15:16] <ailo> Would pinta be useful for anything? http://pinta-project.com/
[15:17] <jta> if you have the nina and santa maria also then you have a discovery fleet? ; )
[15:18] <ailo> Question is, what is there to discover?
[15:18] <scott-work> hi jta, i look forward to hearing your input on the work flows
[15:18] <jta> new workflows?
[15:18] <jta> lol...
[15:18] <jta> ty, scott-work ...I am in need of a good live distro to give people I am working with so this project has recently become a priority again...good to be back
[15:21] <jta> just a big picture note, I work live events so my priority personally is speed, but the people I am sharing the distro are studio workers, so it's the other side of the coin
[16:09] <scott-work> jta: ah, that was slightly confusing at first. when you mentioned "live" distro i thought you meant a distro that could be run from a "live DVD" (i.e. load dvd, reboot computer, run OS from DVD)
[16:09] <scott-work> jta: but i believe you mean a distro that can function well during a live performance (i.e. lowlatency, speed)
[16:10] <jta> yes, I mean live CD/DVD...but I also use linux in a live environment, so I mean both : )
[16:11] <jta> I am encouraging others to try linux...and then assisting them with install fests if they want to install
[16:12] <jta> scott-work: so it would be a "look at this" for the live distro for others...I will be installing it for live production myself...so again, it's both sides of the coin
[16:21] <ailo> jta: I guess both have the same prerequisite: it needs to perform well and include the apps you need. Question is, how many usecases can we not cover at all, if any?
[16:35] <ailo> I'd like to work from the perspective that you can use the live iso for every concievable multimedia workflow that is supported on Ubuntu
[16:38] <jta> ailo how is the settings to USB feature working out so far?  that would be an important component for the distro to be used beyond just trying it out
[16:38] <ailo> jta: USB feature?
[16:39] <ailo> You can create a live usb stick using unetbootin, and the like
[16:39] <shnatsel> ailo: real-time music production requires a semi-official Ubuntu flavor, Ubuntu Studio; other multimedia workflows should be fine
[16:39] <shnatsel> oops
[16:39] <shnatsel> wrong channel XD
[16:40] <shnatsel> sorry
[16:41] <ailo> I thought that was an interesting remark, one that we probably are aware of.
[16:41] <ailo> Just that, now, we'd like Ubuntu Studio to become a bit more for non audio people than just Ubuntu with a few graphic and video apps
[16:42] <jta> ailo, yes, the live usb stick is fine...but some still want a CD/DVD that will write settings to USB...not necessarily a bootable USB distro
[16:42] <ailo> jta: Ok, so you want persistent user settings
[16:43] <jta> yes..but there are variations on that themes...some will let you install on the usb to add packages...some mount it as home...stuff like that...
[16:43] <ailo> I've never looked into how that happens. Puredyne used a script to generate a live USB stick like that
[16:43] <jta> I don't know what the SOTA is for that with Ubuntu, my info is like two years old
[16:44] <jta> yes, I have used puredyne
[16:44] <ailo> I guess the least we could do is to provide a script like the one Puredyne used.
[16:44] <jta> it's not necessary at this point but it is part of the workflow I had previously
[16:45] <ailo> Someone would need to code it. I'll add it as a workitem to the ISO blueprint
[16:45] <jta> I will give you guys an outline on my typical live workflow, that way I don't "nickle and dime" you with ideas
[16:46] <jta> the bottom line is I use a lot of computers from rental places and clients so I frequently take them over with a live distro, i can use up to 6 computers for one event
[16:47] <jta> but that's just my use in live media production, not necessarily the people I am sharing the distro with
[16:48] <jta> since graphics is my #1 job and audio #2, I use blender because of ease of installation and deleting it
[16:52] <ailo> jta: What kind of events are they? What are you using blender for?
[16:54] <jta> corporate events...general sessions so it's motion graphics, like in powerpoint on steroids as I call it
[16:55] <jta> so I take plain powerpoints and make them more hollywood type
[16:57] <ailo> jta: What of it is live? I'm assuming either user controlled sequencing (simple case: flipping slides), or things like cameras adding to the generated video
[16:57] <ailo> jta: Paging. Not flipping :)
[17:03] <scott-work> jta: do you use blender for video editing as well?
[17:09] <contrapunctus> jta, ailo, is puredyne based on anything? (like Ubuntu, or Debian)
[17:09] <ailo> contrapunctus: puredyne 910 was based on Ubuntu 9.10
[17:10] <ailo> contrapunctus: puredyne used XFCE and was geared towards live audio
[17:10] <scott-work> but there was also the other -dyne that was based on something else, no?
[17:10] <jta> ailo, yes, I started with blender in live events using it as a video editor and in assembling still frame sequences
[17:10] <ailo> The earlier -dyne was Debian based
[17:10] <ailo> There might be another -dyne based on Debian in the future. Not a lot of activity right now
[17:11] <ailo> Gotta go. bbl
[17:11] <scott-work> dyne-bolic is what i'm thinking about
[17:11] <scott-work> hi micahg_mobile, how is UDS going so far?
[17:13] <micahg_mobile> Good
[17:14] <contrapunctus> Hm, I see...Thanks, ailo.
[17:18] <ttoine> who is at the UDS this time ?
[17:19] <knome> ailo is, and me and micahg_mobile are here too
[17:20] <ttoine> yeah. invited by canonical ?
[17:21] <knome> micahg_mobile works for canonical, me and ailo are sponsored :)
[17:21] <ttoine> great
[17:21] <ttoine> I had this chance in november 2006 ;-)
[17:21] <knome> mmh, this is my second one, first one was in 2008
[17:21] <ttoine> I saw that scott and kaj are working on the doc ?
[17:51] <contrapunctus> Folks...might be unrelated, but...is there any IRC channel which Linux GAME devs frequent?
[17:52] <jta> linux?  Hmmm, blender it's #gameblender ...linux in general i don't know
[18:03] <scott-work> ttoine: others are working as well, i think, did you want to help or have something to add?
[18:07] <contrapunctus> Thanks jta ^^
[18:08] <contrapunctus> I hope to do music for Linux games :D
[18:16] <jta> contrapunctus: yw
[21:03] <ailo> btw, I met persia
[21:03] <ailo> Long time no see
[23:25] <ttoine> scott-work: I checked your blueprints. I will take some time this week to see more in details.