[05:37] <JontheEchidna> I lost internet for 5 hours due to the storm :s
[05:37] <JontheEchidna> props to the electric utility for keeping the lights on though
[06:21] <udsslayer> Quintasan_: coming to breakfast?
[07:32] <ScottK> Riddell: I think someone (probably you, since I think you understand it) ought to go to http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/meeting/21529/desktop-q-deprecate-language-selector/
[07:33]  * udsslayer can't find the stickers that he gave to Marianna :P
[07:35] <ScottK> Maybe because you gave them away?
[07:55] <yofel_> good morning
[07:58] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: make it through the storm alive?
[08:06] <ScottK> His computer was claiming he did.
[08:08] <Riddell> how's this for dinner? http://www.lanovo.dk/alacarte.html
[08:15] <Riddell> ScottK: that would leave someone else (you?) to drive the desktop-r-kubuntu-docs session
[08:15] <ScottK>  can do it.
[08:16] <ScottK> Seems a bit odd to go get Italian in Denmark, but I expect Danish and vegetarian don't work so well together.
[08:18] <Riddell> I'm not sure denmark has much in the way of an ethnic food culture
[08:18] <ScottK> OK.
[08:18] <ScottK> I guess it's fine.
[08:19] <jussi> o/
[08:19]  * jussi is in Munich
[08:19] <udsslayer> ohai jussi
[08:19] <udsslayer> Riddell: where are you?
[08:20] <udsslayer> or rather, which session
[08:20] <jussi> udsslayer: hai! hows uds?
[08:21] <udsslayer> awesome awesome
[08:22] <udsslayer> JontheEchidna: we get Valve keys ;)
[08:23] <udsslayer> JontheEchidna: Drew announced that anyone with a Launchpad account attending UDS will be given Steam access through a beta key
[08:23] <Riddell> udsslayer: Staging ISOs before daily smoke testing ( QA )
[08:23] <udsslayer> Riddell: lol, you're sitting right next to me
[08:23] <jussi> awe
[08:23] <jussi> if someone doesnt want their valve key....
[08:24] <udsslayer> Riddell: I managed to save 6 sheets of stickers
[08:24] <Riddell> yay
[08:24] <tazz> guys we already have a valve kde group 
[08:24] <udsslayer> the rest of them were passed out 
[08:24] <tazz> if you guys sign in 
[08:24] <tazz> join us.
[08:24] <udsslayer> we do?
[08:24] <tazz> s/valve/steam/
[08:24] <kubotu> tazz: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[08:26] <tazz> udsslayer, and other guys http://steamcommunity.com/groups/kde-gamers
[08:26]  * udsslayer doesn't remember his password
[08:27] <tazz> also if you guys need company / help with steam or whatever just ping me on steam or irc. http://steamcommunity.com/id/tazz-2004 <--- my steam profile.
[08:29] <Riddell> ScottK: udsslayer also has something he wants to go to next hour, ok if I move "Kubuntu Documentation and community for Raring ( Desktop )"?
[08:30] <yofel> udsslayer: you going to the opt session? 
[08:30] <udsslayer> yes
[08:30]  * yofel will listen to that
[08:30] <udsslayer> lets see what they have to say ;)
[08:31] <yofel> I'm curious what they say about dbus
[08:31] <Riddell> ** "Kubuntu Documentation and community" moved to B4-M7 at 11:00
[08:32] <Riddell> no,k wait
[08:33] <Riddell> udsslayer is being fussy and asking to be moved
[08:33] <udsslayer> haha
[08:33] <Riddell> no pleasing some people
[08:33] <udsslayer> we have Kubuntu raring development at 11 :P
[08:33] <udsslayer> the only slots that are free today are 4-5 and 5-6
[08:34]  * udsslayer looks
[08:34] <yofel> kubuntu raring dev is at 12
[08:34] <udsslayer> I have LEGO Cuusoo at 11 :P
[08:34] <Riddell> ** "Kubuntu Documentation and community" moved to B4-M6 10:00 on Thursday
[08:35] <udsslayer> yay
[08:35] <udsslayer> Riddell++
[08:37] <ScottK> Riddell: Sure.
[09:01] <jussi> heh, I just noticed shadeslayer can be interpreted in 2 different ways - I always read it as shades-layer, like "bricklayer" :P but now with udsslayer, I realised it could be also shade-slayer :D
[09:02] <udsslayer> it's the latter
[09:02] <udsslayer> ;)
[09:03] <Riddell> it's because he brings sunshine wherever he goes
[09:03] <udsslayer> haha
[09:08] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1073071] vlc cannot disable power management features @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1073071 (by Manuel López-Ibáñez)
[09:14] <afiestas> udsslayer it booted !
[09:22] <Riddell> afiestas: that sounds painful
[09:23] <afiestas> Riddell: what?
[09:23] <Riddell> afiestas: what booted?
[09:24] <afiestas> Riddell: NExus7 with active
[09:24] <Tm_T> yay
[09:24] <afiestas> touch screen doesn't seem to be fully working
[09:24] <Riddell> nice
[09:24] <afiestas> but it's something
[09:24] <Tm_T> ...I suddendly Android, is it bad?
[09:25]  * Tm_T accidentally installed android to their phone, will replace it with debian derivative soon enough
[09:25] <afiestas> we relaly need to get this 100% fixed to blog about "If you installed ubuntu in you rNexus7 and you want to install something iuseful to it..."
[09:25] <afiestas> apt-get install kubuntu-active  :p
[09:25] <Tm_T> (:
[09:25] <Tm_T> afiestas: rock on
[09:32] <afiestas> Quintasan_: Riddell would be nice if we could contact with any of the ppl involve don getting the touchscreen working with ubuntu
[09:35] <Tm_T> looks like Kubuntu doc session got moved
[09:35] <Tm_T> ah, Riddell said it already
[09:39] <afiestas> Riddell: Tm_T Quintasan_ do you know where rohan is?
[09:41] <Riddell> afiestas: in the /opt session?
[09:41] <Riddell> B3-M1
[09:41] <yofel> which is in b3-m1
[09:41] <afiestas> oh, ok
[09:41] <fabo> Riddell: yep, I'm around. I'll come to say hello :)
[09:42] <Riddell> fabo: tell me your shirt size for a kubuntu polo
[09:42] <fabo> hehe, L :)
[10:41] <jussi> Riddell: you have a Kubuntu polo you can send me? 
[10:42] <jussi> (or give to Knome/Tm_T)
[10:57] <Riddell> jussi: should do, what size?
[11:03] <Riddell> Tm_T, ScottK, afiestas, time for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-kubuntu-development
[11:19] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yo
[11:19] <Riddell> about?
[11:31] <jussi> Riddell: as big as possible please - XXL/XXXL if you have one? 
[11:55]  * yofel just found out why he doesn't see his jabber contacts:
[11:55] <yofel> ktp doesn't connect because of an untrusted certificate - and doesn't tell me that. I need to open the settings to see that.
[11:55]  * yofel looks for bug reports
[12:05] <Tm_T> bah, so out-of-the-box vpn doesn't work yet
[12:05] <Tm_T> blaa
[12:06] <Tm_T> I recall I had tested it before
[12:13] <apachelogger> Tm_T: depends on the vpn and stuff
[12:14] <apachelogger> IIRC vpnc is not on board for some reason
[12:14] <apachelogger> I think udsslayer was to blame
[12:59] <Tm_T> apachelogger: we were just discussing that, I have openvpn and it fails
[13:07] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8jQuE4BSmI
[13:52] <Riddell> ScottK: desktop-r-kubuntu-images next, do you think we should ask ogra to come for nexus?
[13:53] <ScottK> Riddell: He said he'd do it, so I'd think not.
[13:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: context needed, we actually are near other people this week looking over our shoulders
[13:58]  * Tm_T dislike links without context
[13:59] <Tm_T> in general, not just when being around other people
[13:59] <simplew> hello
[13:59] <Riddell> hi simplew 
[13:59] <Tm_T> simplew: welcome to our den (:
[14:00] <simplew> i would like to contribute if possible :)
[14:00] <yofel> welcome :)
[14:00] <simplew> yofel, Tm_T :)
[14:01] <simplew> Riddell: didnt we talked some times in private reagarding fedora?
[14:01] <Riddell> mm, I don't remember that but it's not unusual that I don't remember things
[14:02] <simplew> Riddell: ups, sorry, i have confused your nick :)
[14:02] <udsslayer> Sooo boooring 
[14:02] <yofel> udsslayer: alone in the room?
[14:02] <udsslayer> yofel: plenary
[14:03] <udsslayer> by sponsors 
[14:03] <yofel> ah, the HP one?
[14:03] <simplew> so what are the steps to become a packager?
[14:03] <udsslayer> yes 
[14:03] <Riddell> simplew: he needs a wide-eyed picture saying "5 minutes left"
[14:03] <udsslayer> Riddell: xD
[14:03] <udsslayer> yay
[14:03] <yofel> udsslayer: please go an prepend an s to your nick -.-
[14:04] <Riddell> simplew: mm, good question
[14:04] <udsslayer> Lolwot 
[14:04] <yofel> you're breaking people's habits :P
[14:04] <Riddell> simplew: I don't know if there's a good packaging guide to recommend these days
[14:05] <yofel> the debian new maintainers guide is still pretty useful
[14:05] <yofel> the ubuntu packaging guide relies heavily on UDD, which doesn't really fit well with us
[14:05] <simplew> UDD?
[14:06] <yofel> ubuntu distributed development
[14:06] <yofel> or how you do all your packaging tasks in bzr
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> good morning
[14:06] <yofel> simplew: start with http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ I would say, the ubuntu one would be https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/
[14:08] <simplew> hum quiet big guides...
[14:08] <yofel> simplew: don't hesitate to ask if you have questions
[14:08] <simplew> thanks :)
[14:09] <yofel> simplew: you can also start by doing modifications to existing packages. Those guides ^ are howto's for packaging from scratch
[14:09] <yofel> good to know, but maybe not the best thing to start with
[14:10] <simplew> yofel: i have been doing some changes and rebuilds to become familiar with the tools
[14:10] <yofel> that is a good thing to start with ;)
[14:10] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:10] <yofel> hi BluesKaj
[14:10] <BluesKaj> hi yofel
[14:11] <yofel> simplew: another thing: do hang out in here when you have the time. We don't bite and you get a feeling for how we work
[14:11] <simplew> yofel: great :)
[14:11] <yofel> this channel is also logged on irclogs.ubuntu.com if you ever want to look something up
[14:12] <simplew> yofel: thats handy in fact
[14:13] <simplew> tsimpson: time to burn kubuntu iso and do a clean install :)
[14:14] <simplew> tsimpson: should i use matches or a lighter?
[14:14] <tsimpson> too low-tech, use a lazer ;)
[14:16] <simplew> tsimpson: :D
[14:22] <Riddell> simplew: most of us are in a session just now at UDS
[14:22] <Riddell> but do stick around
[14:22] <simplew> Riddell: i have tried but i dont listen any
[14:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: kde?
[14:30] <simplew> Riddell: impossible ti listen http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/b3-m5.ogg.m3u  in rythmbox...
[14:31] <Riddell> simplew: try dragon or amarok?
[14:33] <simplew> Riddell: well im gg to do a clean isntall with kubuntu, i have installed first ubuntu and then kde with kde-full meta package and im having some issues like https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309233
[14:34] <yofel> simplew: kde-full is not our meta package, use kubuntu-desktop
[14:34] <simplew> yofel: well im for a clean isntall :)
[14:34] <yofel> (I'm not blaming you if you're confused now)
[14:35] <ScottK> simplew: kde-full is a Debian metapackage that we don't particularly adjust to work in Ubuntu.  You should install kubuntu-desktop.
[14:37] <simplew> yofel: strange that dd is not in the recommend tools to burn iso into a usb stick in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[14:37] <yofel> *shrug* - I use dd and it works, so don't ask me
[14:37] <yofel> you just don't get any persistence
[14:37] <yofel> then again, for most users dd is rather dangerous
[14:39] <simplew> i never heard that one...
[14:39] <yofel> persistence or dangerous?
[14:39] <simplew> dangerous
[14:40] <yofel> oh, you never accidentally used of=/dev/sda ?
[14:40] <yofel> well, *I* did
[14:40] <simplew> oh...
[14:40] <yofel> I have backups though ^^
[14:40] <simplew> lol
[14:40] <SteveRiley> it's because dd has a syntax somewhat different than other linux commands, and dd doesn't ask for confirmation before it Destroys your Data :)
[14:40] <simplew> now i get the dangerous :)
[14:45] <simplew> isnt there a kde tool to create backups?
[14:52] <ScottK> yofel: Can't you use xvfb?
[14:54] <yofel> ScottK: possibly, do you know a package that does that offhand?
[14:56] <ScottK> open-jdk
[15:00] <yofel> ok, thanks
[15:05] <simplew> yofel: by the way, how can i do to use local packages, how to add a local repo to synaptic?
[15:07] <Riddell> simplew: we use muon in kubuntu :)
[15:07] <Riddell> simplew: making a local archive is faffy, I just dpkg --install *deb for local packages
[15:08] <simplew> Riddell: yes but i want to have a local repo configured
[15:09] <Riddell> dunno, play with editing sources.list, maybe a path starting with / will do or maybe it needs a file:/// URL
[15:10] <Riddell> simplew: I don't know of any up to date tool for backups, the trouble with backup tools is there are a load of different ways to do backups, the moderns way would be to use a cloud thing
[15:10] <Riddell> ubuntu has one so putting a KDE frontend on that would be nice, but no small job
[15:13] <Riddell> fabo, tsdgeos: KDE dinner meet 18:45 at the hotel entrance
[15:13] <simplew> Riddell: yes im running ubuntu one, but i dont see any option to cancel an upload
[15:14] <simplew> Riddell: still missing severall features in ubuntu one...
[15:16] <yofel> hm
[15:16] <Riddell> ScottK: you're at the leadership thingy?
[15:16] <yofel> simplew: hm, I have a reprepro install on my server for local stuff, but that's too much for your need.
[15:16] <yofel> simplew: another thing that might work for you that I used before is
[15:16] <yofel> simplew: putting http://paste.kde.org/585608 in your ~/.dput.cf
[15:17] <yofel> and add
[15:17] <yofel> [DEFAULT]
[15:17] <yofel> default_host_main = local
[15:17] <yofel> to it too while you're at it
[15:17] <yofel> you can then 'dput local <changesfile>' after you locally build something
[15:17] <yofel> mini-dinstall should then take care of making a local repos for apt
[15:17] <simplew> yofel: better try that after i do a clean install with kubuntu
[15:18] <fabo> Riddell: sorry, can't make it :( this is team dinner evening.
[15:18] <ScottK> fabo: As long as you have Qt5 packaged it's fine 
[15:18] <ScottK> ;-)
[15:18] <yofel> simplew: I haven't used that in months, so not quite sure how it works anymore, but it should be as simple as adding a file:/// url with the specified directory to apt
[15:19] <Tm_T> Riddell: yes we're here
[15:19] <fabo> ScottK: hehe, where are you atm?
[15:19] <fabo> I see, leadership thingy
[15:19] <Tm_T> fabo: leadership mini summit, b3m8
[15:20] <ScottK> Yeah.
[15:20] <fabo> k
[15:20] <tsdgeos> afiestas: Riddell: etc: are we having the kubuntu dinner today or what?
[15:21] <Tm_T> sorry had to jump in and out on iso session, had video call from home
[15:22] <Riddell> tsdgeos: yep, "tsdgeos: KDE dinner meet 18:45 at the hotel entrance"
[15:22] <tsdgeos> ok
[15:22] <tsdgeos> somehow i didn't get the memo
[15:22] <Riddell> tsdgeos: it's a screen up in scrollback, it probably scrolled off your irc :)
[15:22] <tsdgeos> yeah
[15:23] <tsdgeos> Riddell: send it to uds-announce?
[15:23] <Riddell> tsdgeos: ooh that sounds scary
[15:24] <tsdgeos> Riddell: :?
[15:25] <simplew> why the folders Documents, Downloads, Images, Music, Video  do not appear in dolphin in panel Local and neither appear in left side of the window to open files, i.e., in the window that appears after clicking "Save As" ?     in firefox "Save As" window they do exsit, so why not in kde?
[15:25] <Riddell> but I should be empowered like the leadership summit wants me to be
[15:26] <yofel> firefox uses the gtk defaults. What appears in dolphin should be a matter of upstream KDE defaults
[15:26] <Riddell> simplew: different default settings in KDE vs GTK
[15:26] <yofel> I don't think we ever changed those
[15:27] <simplew> Riddell: yes i see that but i dont get why, i think would be better to also have a direct access to these folders when clicking in "Save As"
[15:28] <simplew> yofel: and thats very easy to patch
[15:28] <yofel> we try to not diverge from upstream unless there is a good reason to
[15:28] <yofel> and upstream probably believes that the 'Home' item is enough
[15:29] <Riddell> it is the sort of question that should be asked to KDE rather than us
[15:29] <simplew> yofel: firefox isnt patched to include those dirs in "Save As"?
[15:30] <yofel> that's a simple difference between gtk and kde...
[15:30] <simplew> Riddell: maybe kubuntu could take the lead and do isntead wainting for kde?
[15:30] <yofel> as Riddell said, different defaults
[15:31] <simplew> yofel: maybe kde didnt do it so far, because its more a distro thing?
[15:34] <yofel> well, IMO something so visible should be really kept unified between distributions
[15:34] <yofel> and we do stick to KDE as close as we can
[15:34] <yofel> that doesn't mean it can't be discussed
[15:37] <simplew> yofel: maybe instead done through xdg (freedesktop), but that would imply a change also under in all *buntu distros, unless creating a kde xdg specific package?  but i think that in gnome that already exists, i have that idea from running ubuntu...
[15:39] <yofel> well, it's probably a Gtk setting. Then it would be shared across DE's. (and explains the firefox case)
[15:39] <yofel> we use Qt though in KDE
[15:39] <yofel> so we share pretty much only XDG stuff with other DE's
[15:40] <simplew> yofel: but i have the idea that those exist in ubuntu (gnome)
[15:41] <yofel> not that I'm aware of, but I don't know the whole freedesktop world either
[15:43] <simplew> yofel: i have userconfig installed but i dont any entry in kmenu
[15:43] <yofel> simplew: what *you* can do, is send a mail to kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com if you want the discussion to not be forgotten. Or start it on kde-devel@lists.kde.org 
[15:44] <yofel> userconfig is started from systemsettings
[15:44] <simplew> i was told that there was an entry to run it from kmenu
[15:45] <yofel> hm
[15:45] <yofel> if I search for 'user' in kickoff I do get the user management
[15:47] <simplew> yofel: i just checked in unity and those dirs do exist, take the nautilus example
[15:47] <yofel> sure
[15:47] <yofel> I didn't say they didn't
[15:49] <simplew> yofel: for example gedit, the "Save As" window its the same for firefox
[15:49] <simplew> yofel: they only miss in kde :)
[15:49] <simplew> mean kubuntu
[15:50] <yofel> sure
[15:50] <simplew> yofel: i dont think it would be a kde specific matter, in my view its more a distro specific thing
[15:51] <simplew> yofel: but ill join the ML after i do a kubuntu install and mail that so that it wont be forgotten :)
[15:52] <yofel> if you want to prove that it's a XDG setting, find something non-gtk, non-qt application that shows them
[15:53] <simplew> yofel: i remember that when i was using a rpm distro in xdg there were some settings regarding those distros, but i think that were added by the distro
[15:54] <simplew> yofel: but my point is that until that isnt done in a unified way, ie in xdg, meanwhile can be done and it would be a good improvement
[15:54] <Riddell> the location of the directories is set by some xdg spec, it's stored in ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[15:56] <simplew> Riddell: i have that idea also but they do not appear in kde so some still missing...
[15:56] <yofel> they are set in KDE, just don't belong to the shortcuts in dolphin
[15:57] <simplew> yofel: its in dolphin Local panel and in kde "Save As" dialog
[15:57] <Riddell> whether or not it shows up in the open dialogue is up to the toolkit used
[15:57] <yofel> simplew: not in the kde "Save As" dialog
[15:58] <simplew> Riddell: it can also be patched in kdelibs :)
[15:58] <simplew> yofel: when you click Save As for example in kwrite they dont appear
[15:59] <yofel> exactly
[15:59] <simplew> yofel: i didnt interpreted well what you said, you were just confirming what i said :)
[16:00] <yofel> simplew: ok, I think I mis-interpreted what you said
[16:00] <simplew> yofel: so they dont appear in the dolphin Local panel and also dont appear in kde "Save As" dialog
[16:00] <yofel> right, they won't appear anywhere in KDE
[16:02] <simplew> im going now for the kubuntu install, brb
[16:04] <simplew> yofel, Riddell it could also be cool adding by default a Home and Trash icon into the desktop
[16:05] <yofel> not really, that should stay tidy as it is, the desktop folderview is plenty
[16:05] <yofel> clutter is evil
[16:06] <simplew> but using folderview doesnt put any in desktop?
[16:07] <yofel> well, dolphin isn't really far away. If anything it could go into the panel beside the pager and so on. But how often do people open Trash?
[16:07] <yofel> and dolphin opens in Home by default
[16:08] <simplew> yofel: yes i get your point, its simply because me and in a general way users are sued to get icons in desktop
[16:08] <simplew> s/sued/used
[16:09] <yofel> you can switch the desktop type to desktop, then it'll behave in the classic way with icons/files on desktop instead of widgets
[16:09] <tsimpson> you can add it if you want, KDE is customizable, but it's not something we should impose by default
[16:11] <simplew> tsimpson: yes of course, and i have them atm, i did add them, but instead have it by default :)  i remember that for example Opensuse puts a computer icon that offers a view of your machine with info also of the folders, and thats a cool thing
[16:12] <simplew> that computer icon run sysinfo
[16:12] <simplew> the kio slave sysinfo
[16:15] <simplew> weird, i dont see a package to isntall that kio slave...
[16:17] <Riddell> it's suse specific
[16:19] <simplew> Riddell: no, its a kde kio slave see http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KIO+Slave+sysinfo%3A%2B?content=58704
[16:20] <Riddell> yes, written by suse
[16:21] <Riddell> you can package it if you like but it's unlikely to be used by default, we don't use konqueror by default
[16:22] <simplew> Riddell: dolphin runs konqueror kios, doesnt?
[16:26] <simplew> Riddell: i didnt knew was developed by suse, i was used to have it in mandriva and mageia
[16:30] <Riddell> simplew: yes all KDE uses the same kioslaves but that one returns HTML which dolphin doesn't support
[16:34] <simplew> Riddell: its source http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/kio_sysinfo/
[17:14] <Riddell> yofel: any idea how the kubuntu-bugs list lets everything through even though the sender isn't subscribed?
[17:14] <yofel> launchpad doesn't require you do be subscribed to the list IIRC
[17:15] <yofel> Riddell: "accept posts from any email address registered in a subscriber's Launchpad profile " from https://help.launchpad.net/Teams/MailingLists
[17:15] <yofel> hm
[17:16] <yofel> wait
[17:16] <yofel> wrong mailing list provider -.-
[17:17] <yofel> Riddell: wasn't it that you can enable/disable moderation for ubuntu mailing lists?
[17:40] <udsslayer> Riddell: I am waiting for you guys 
[17:47] <Quintasan> afiestas: lobby!!!
[20:48] <yofel> kubuntu_shutup_shutup_shutup.diff
[20:48] <yofel> JontheEchidna: nice one :D
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> :P
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> you would have named it that too if you had seen what I had seen ;-)
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> you'd get all of this merely by starting up muon-installer: http://paste.kde.org/586232/
[20:51] <yofel> *blink*
[20:52] <yofel> just how often does attica read one and the same config file?!?
[20:52] <JontheEchidna> dunno
[20:53] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, in ~/.kde/share/config/atticarc, you can see all the providers
[20:53] <JontheEchidna> they seem to be duplicated a *lot*
[20:54] <yofel> that file's empty here
[20:55] <JontheEchidna> perhaps you've not used any attica? It's a new feature in git master
[20:55] <yofel> or rather it just doesn't exist
[20:55] <yofel> yeah, that would be it
[20:55] <JontheEchidna> Or I should say, Muon only just recently starting using attica for a new feture
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> yeah, looks like Muon is the culprit, adding the same provider each time it starts up :s
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> and here I thought it was attica being obnoxious
[20:56] <yofel> heh
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> if you count the instances of the providers in the log I posted, you can tell how many times I've launched muon-installer since that feature was added :P
[20:56] <yofel> lol
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, aleix wrote the KNewStuff backend, I'll throw this one his way
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> I'm fairly sure that this line is causing it:
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> m_atticaManager->addProviderFileToDefaultProviders(group.readEntry("ProvidersUrl", QString()));
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> but I'm not sure what that's trying to accomplish or what the correct way would be to fix it
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> welp, all the reverse build-depends of libqapt in the archive have been ported to libqapt2
[21:07] <JontheEchidna> now if the i386 builders hurry up, I could actually announce QApt/Muon 2.0 alpha...
[21:07] <yofel> I wonder how fast that copy script actually is
[21:08] <JontheEchidna> from -proposed to release?
[21:08] <yofel> yeah
[21:08] <JontheEchidna> seems kind of slow, qapt has been done and published on all archs for a few hours and it still hasn't copied over to release
[21:09] <yofel> well, not causing any broken deps was another requirement IIRC
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I can't imagine what it could have broken...
[21:09] <yofel> yeah, was just wondering either
[21:10] <yofel> s/either/too/
[21:10] <kubotu> yofel meant: "yeah, was just wondering too"
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> it's co-installable with libqapt1 and everything
[21:12] <yofel> meh, calligraauthor is getting on my nerves. It's currently not more than calligrawords with different defaults and shares lots of stuff with words.
[21:12] <yofel> Now I wonder just *what* is shared, as I either need to stuff both into the same package, or need to add calligrawords-common or so -.-
[21:13] <JontheEchidna> sounds like a pain
[21:14] <JontheEchidna> of course, everybody installs our software by running "make install" :P
[21:14] <yofel> ofc
[21:14] <yofel> I had to add a patch to get calligraactive btw. Upstream believes there is no use case where you want to build *everything*
[21:15] <yofel> seems like active has a higher priority than everything else, so if you run make install, everything opens in active if that's built
[21:16] <yofel> ... and installed
[21:16] <JontheEchidna> ha
[21:40] <markey> heya
[21:41] <markey> after the upgrade to 12.10, I can no longer mount smbfs
[21:46] <yofel> ... the calligra copyright file makes no sense at all... is this even allowed by dep-5? http://paste.kde.org/586274 (look at the Files: definitions)
[21:47] <yofel> hi markey
[21:47] <markey> hey
[21:47] <yofel> no longer mount as in: it doesn't mount, or you don't see the share?
[21:47] <markey> mount: unknown filesystem type 'smbfs'
[21:49] <markey> also, the smbmount tool is missing
[21:50] <markey> I've read that it was moved from the deprecated package "smbfs" to "cifs-utils". but it's not in there
[21:50] <yofel> I was just looking there a bit, it seems like 'smbfs' was just dropped
[21:50] <yofel> does it work with cifs as fs type?
[21:51] <markey> let me try
[21:52] <markey> oh cool, this works 
[21:52] <markey> :)
[21:52] <markey> thanks yofel 
[21:52] <yofel> I remember someone telling me a year ago to just use cifs instead - without explenation
[21:53] <markey> from what I gather, smbfs was just a wrapper around cifs anyway. still, it's a bit confusing that it's suddenly gone ;)