[09:09] <stochastic> Is Ubuntu Studio getting involved in the Movember campaign at all?
[09:11] <ailo-uds> Seems like my server crapped out at home
[09:11] <ailo-uds> I'm at a session about automated tests
[09:11] <ailo-uds> UTAH
[09:11] <contrapunctus> O_o
[09:34] <ailo-uds> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/AutomatedTesting
[09:42] <ailo-uds> falktx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppDevUploadProcess
[09:44] <micahg> FYI, that process won't allow those packages to be used on UbuntuStudio images
[09:47] <falktx> it's a nice read
[09:48] <falktx> ailo-uds: are you at uds now, i suppose?
[10:05] <falktx> ailo-uds: are you at uds now, i suppose?
[10:06] <ailo-uds> falktx: yep
[10:06] <falktx> ah, cool
[10:06] <falktx> ailo-uds: i read the wiki page, nice stuff in there
[10:07] <falktx> ailo-uds: that is just a plan for now, right?
[10:07] <falktx> ie, it's doesn't work that way just yet
[10:07] <ailo-uds> falktx: Seems like work in progress, to make it easier for people to add apps to Software Center
[10:07] <ailo-uds> falktx: Since they are going towards mobile phones, etc, they need that kind of framework
[10:08] <ailo-uds> falktx: I still think pushing to Debian is the best way for desktop software
[10:30] <micahg_mobile> Yeah, these apps will be very restricted in what they can do
[10:44] <ailo-uds> Tip for anyone wanting to reinitialize group membership without logging out and in again: newgrp
[10:47] <ailo-uds> Only, it doesn't seem to work as expected
[13:16] <smartboyhw> len-dt, you actually merged the Ubuntu Studio"13.04" plymouth text theme code? I am surprised:P
[13:17] <len-dt> smartboyhw, not a big deal either way. I could think of some things where it may be useful.
[13:17] <smartboyhw> OK
[13:18] <smartboyhw> stochastic, what November campaign that you talked before?
[13:25] <astraljava> smartboyhw: Movember. Bit different. :)
[13:26] <smartboyhw> astraljava, what is it then?:P
[13:50] <smartboyhw> hi scott-work 
[13:55] <astraljava> smartboyhw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movember
[13:56] <smartboyhw> astraljava, good I don't have a moustache;P
[14:01] <knome> astraljava, you going to have a movember?
[14:01] <astraljava> Nah.
[14:02] <knome> bah.
[14:03] <smartboyhw> So no for me
[14:03] <smartboyhw> knome, how is your backache?
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Better?
[14:03] <knome> it's there.
[14:04] <scott-work> hi smartboyhw and everyone
[14:04] <knome> hey scott
[14:05] <knome> scott-work, too bad you aren't around here
[14:05] <scott-work> hi knome , yeah, i'm wishing i was there too
[14:05] <scott-work> btw knome, i think xubuntu 12.10 looks really good, is this due to xfce 4.10?
[14:06] <scott-work> Len-nb: ailo, astraljava , micah, smartboyhw - i should also note that i think ubuntu studio really looks good this cycle as well, quite a large leap from 12.04 in my opinion
[14:06] <smartboyhw> scott-work, :D
[14:07] <knome> scott-work, i don't think xfce 4.10 has much to do with the looks
[14:07] <knome> scott-work, mostly some smallish user experience things
[14:07] <knome> scott-work, but thanks :)
[14:09] <smartboyhw> scott-work, yay finally got my first code merged into a Ubuntu Studio code branch:D
[14:09]  * smartboyhw wonders where is aiLO
[14:12] <contrapunctus> smartboyhw
[14:12] <smartboyhw> micahg, having a great time at UDS heh?
[14:13] <contrapunctus> How do you do that? O_o
[14:13] <smartboyhw> contrapunctus, what do you mean, how do you do that?
[14:13] <contrapunctus> 'action' lines.
[14:13] <smartboyhw> contrapunctus, you mean the action items on blueprints?
[14:13]  * len-dt is off to work
[14:14] <smartboyhw> bye len-dt 
[14:14] <contrapunctus> I mean this - * smartboyhw wonders where is aiLO
[14:14] <smartboyhw> contrapunctus, I do like "/me wonders where is ailo"
[14:14] <contrapunctus> (probably the most asked question on IRC channels)
[14:14] <smartboyhw> That shows up that message
[14:14]  * smartboyhw = the user
[14:14]  * contrapunctus wonders if it's working.
[14:14] <contrapunctus> Aw yes.
[14:14] <smartboyhw> contrapunctus, yes
[14:15] <contrapunctus> Thanks sbhw.
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Hey ailo-uds how is uds?
[14:23] <ailo-uds> smartboyhw: Pretty ok. I was glad I went to the UTAH session
[14:23] <ailo-uds> As I understand it, we can write tests, and submit them to Ubuntu labs, and they will perform them
[14:23] <ailo-uds> Would be perfect for us. 
[14:24] <smartboyhw> ailo-uds, good. Then I think you can write the tests for us:P
[14:24] <ailo-uds> Those tests would be about performance mostly though. Not user/desktop testing, which we will need to keep doing
[14:25] <ailo-uds> I've already been working on developing tests. This way I only need to think about what to test. Not how to code it
[14:25] <ailo-uds> Saves a lot of time
[14:25] <smartboyhw> ailo-uds, :D
[14:26] <ailo-uds> Also, performing the tests needs setting up machines, which at least takes a day or two. 
[14:26] <ailo-uds> So, that is also something you'd want to skip
[14:26] <smartboyhw> ailo-uds, :D
[14:29] <smartboyhw> ailo-uds, btw can you draw up a list of what we are gonna talk about in that planning session on Thursday?
[14:31] <ailo-uds> smartboyhw: I will, don't worry
[14:31] <scott-work> smartboyhw: that is a cool feeling
[14:31] <ailo-uds> smartboyhw: I need to think about that. In the meanwhile, ideas are welcome
[14:31] <scott-work> ailo-uds: i was telling everyone that i thought ubuntu studio 12.10 looks quite a bit better than 12.10
[14:31] <smartboyhw> Wow wow wow suddenlt you all send messages to me
[14:31] <smartboyhw> Wait
[14:31] <smartboyhw> scott-work, you should:P
[14:32] <smartboyhw> ailo-uds, yay:D
[14:33] <ailo-uds> scott-work: Yea, it looks ok. It's a good time in many aspects. I just can't get over the problems with qjackctl and jackd. In retrospect, we should have handled that. Right now, I'm focused on other things, but I won't want that to happen to next release also
[14:33] <ailo-uds> Better to disable something, if it's not working well, than to ship something that crashes on you
[14:40] <smartboyhw> ailo-uds, scott-work astraljava len-dt holstein yay we can now decide whether we want to have Alpha and Beta 1 releases
[14:41] <holstein> what do we have now? just testing til launch?
[14:41] <smartboyhw> holstein, no. 1 beta, then rc, then launch time
[14:42] <holstein> i like what we have
[14:42] <smartboyhw> We can decide. Maybe 2 betas, then 1 rc
[14:42] <holstein> i dont think we should add anything
[14:42] <ailo-uds> Ubuntu is changing their routine
[14:42] <smartboyhw> Or 2 Alpha, 2 betas, 1 rc
[14:42] <smartboyhw> holstein, that is not ADD that is REMOVING milestones
[14:43] <holstein> 1 beta, 1 rc, and release... 
[14:43] <smartboyhw> That is great I think, should be discussed in the raring planning session on uds.
[14:43] <holstein> 2betas implies to me that addes a milestone
[14:43] <smartboyhw> holstein, yes
[14:43] <holstein> i dont care though... whatever you guys need/decide
[14:43] <holstein> i just dont want to add things if we dont need to
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Possibly scott-work's opinion is needed the most
[14:44] <smartboyhw> ailo-uds, what is your option?
[14:45] <smartboyhw> Let me set up a vote for that
[14:46] <ailo-uds> smartboyhw: I think it is too early to decide on this now, as not everyone even knows what is happening yet
[14:46] <micahg> smartboyhw: ubuntustudio-look is maintained in the ubuntustudio branch
[14:46] <smartboyhw> ailo-uds, oh :P
[14:46] <micahg> smartboyhw: and I thought that it was decided not to do what you just did
[14:46] <smartboyhw> ailo-uds, can you help to ask the experts what is happening :P
[14:47] <smartboyhw> micahg, oh ok
[14:47] <ailo-uds> smartboyhw: There's no hurry. We don't need to decide anything this week even. Let's just get informed first. We need to find out what will happen, what we can do, etc
[14:48] <smartboyhw> ailo-uds, from what I heard from a Canonical employee is that there will only be a beta and a release candidate for vanilla Ubuntu, and that flavors can decide how many betas and alphas (if applicable) they want
[14:49] <ailo-uds> smartboyhw: I've heard about the new release schedule also. What we could do is read more about it, and post about it on the list, and ask for opinions
[14:49] <micahg> the milestones that there will be is still up for discussion, but all flavors (Ubuntu included) can decide to participate or not
[14:49] <smartboyhw> We can also do cadence testing instead
[14:57] <ailo-uds> smartboyhw: Perhaps you could take the initiative on finding more out about the release schedule, and posting about it on the mail list. 
[14:58] <smartboyhw> ailo-uds, did:P
[14:58] <ailo-uds> This way we will all get to learn more about it, and can discuss what we should do. I personally have no idea about what would be best atm
[15:01] <smartboyhw> ailo-uds, OK
[15:18] <scott-work> to be honest, my first reaction is to align our testing schedule with whatever ubuntu is using, having the same cadence certainly has benefits
[15:19] <knome> yup
[15:19] <scott-work> of course, that doesn't mean we _have_ to have the same schedule. having a different testing schedule might address particular issues for us
[15:20] <holstein> if we have to hustle and do official tests for each milestone, that could be problematic
[15:20] <knome> only if you plan to break something and need a freeze that is longer than one day ;9
[15:36] <ailo-uds> I suggested here at uds to create a unified team between flavors for developing docs, and keeping it at the same place.
[15:36] <ailo-uds> Since we do more or less exactly the same type of tasks, would be good to save energy this way
[15:37] <knome> that sounds good, but i'm not sure if xubuntu, for example, would have the workforce to do that
[15:40] <ailo-uds> I'm not worried about if everyone will participate in creating docs. Just that if the docs would be helpful for everyone. I can imagine do a bit of work for this. 
[15:43] <ailo-uds> Feedback would be just as important as writing docs
[15:43] <ailo-uds> If none of the flavors care, of course, that would not be great
[15:46] <knome> mmh
[15:53] <ttoine> scott-work, I was looking for the blueprints, can someone give a link where I can look at them and edit them ?
[15:53] <ttoine> oh, and of course, Hi everybody !
[15:54] <ailo-uds> ttoine: I posted a couple of emails about that
[15:54] <ttoine> is Kaj on irc sometimes ?
[15:54] <ailo-uds> let's see..
[15:54] <ailo-uds> ttoine: That's me
[15:54] <ailo-uds> hi
[15:54] <ttoine> ailo-uds, I saw a lot of emails, but no link...
[15:56] <ailo-uds> ttoine: I posted the link many times :). There's an overview at the wiki for all the blueprints here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/RaringBlueprintsCategories.
[15:56] <ttoine> ailo-uds, you are kaj ? great to know that ;-)
[15:56] <ailo-uds> ttoine: If you click the links on that page, you get to each blueprint
[15:56] <ttoine> ailo-uds, ok. it is not listed (or maybe I missed it) on the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio page
[15:57] <ailo-uds> ttoine: The wiki frontpage we will need to rework a bit, but if you follow the Team Resources link, you get to blueprints that way
[15:58] <ailo-uds> I'll be wanting to change the wiki so it's more developer orientated
[15:58] <ailo-uds> Less user related links on the front page, and quicker access to dev pages
[15:59] <ailo-uds> ttoine: I assume you are going to participate in creating blueprints? :)
[16:01] <ttoine> ailo-uds, yes, that's the aim
[16:02] <ailo-uds> ttoine: Which areas do you think you will be interested in?
[16:02] <ttoine> ailo-uds, for public relation, may I suggest that we use mainly the wordpress news possibilities. and then, use Twitter Feed for automatic post to Facebook and Twitter ? It would save a lot of time
[16:03] <ttoine> ailo-uds, I can work on user documentation, mainly audio and publishing. I know a linux video producer and will do my best to have contributions from him
[16:04] <ttoine> programming etc is not my stuff
[16:05] <ailo-uds> ttoine: One of the things I personally am trying to achieve is to try make suggestions as public as possible, so either post about it on the mail list (which is very good, if you know people will want to discuss it), or just make a blueprint about it,.
[16:05] <ailo-uds> ttoine: On public relations, I think this will depend on who will be interested in making and posting news
[16:05] <ailo-uds> ttoine: If someone is very active, I wouldn't mind seeing news all over the place
[16:05] <ailo-uds> ttoine: If we don't have someone active, I think your suggestion is very good
[16:05] <ailo-uds> That's just my opinion
[16:06] <ailo-uds> ttoine: Sounds great about docs. I hope you won't mind me having opinions about docs, since I'm doc lead. I might do nothing, or I might want to reedit. I'll always discuss things with you first
[16:06] <ttoine> ailo-uds, the aim with public relation would not be to post everyday. But post once or twice a month would be great
[16:07] <ttoine> it would show that we are active
[16:07] <ttoine> and so we could create a community of followers on twitter, facebook etc...
[16:07] <ailo-uds> ttoine: I definately agree that we should post at least a few times a cycle, but wouldn't mind several posts a week either, if someone wants to do it
[16:07] <ttoine> I think i can handle the public relation part, I do that in my job
[16:08] <ailo-uds> The content of the news would depend entirely on how much energy goes into it. The more energy, the broader the content
[16:08] <ttoine> ailo-uds, there are different kind of posts. for example, the distro relative post, of course, are not very often
[16:08] <ailo-uds> We should create a public relations team
[16:08] <ttoine> but for example, if a major application is updated, it could be good to communicate a PPA, etc..
[16:09] <ailo-uds> I think so far, we have ttoine, holstein and smartboy as candidates for that team
[16:09] <ttoine> ailo-uds, we can use too the editor / author roles of wordpress
[16:10] <ttoine> so maybe let some people suggests posts.
[16:10] <ailo-uds> We need to see about adding users with posting privileges to the website. knome Do you know anything about that?
[16:11] <ailo-uds> ttoine: I think for the content of news, there can be a lot of creativity. We can link to blogs that other people have written about Ubuntu Studio, or just multimedia on Linux in general. 
[16:11] <knome> ailo-uds, yes. can we get to that after the sessions?
[16:11] <ttoine> ailo-uds, just to understand, there are 3 places to edit stuff about blueprints : whiteboard, work items, and of course, the relative wiki page. First point, if I want to start a documentation, what is the best to do ? And second point, if I want to add a suggestion (eg: twitterfeed), where should I put it ?
[16:12] <ailo-uds> knome: Absolutely, thanks
[16:12] <knome> np
[16:12] <ttoine> ailo-uds, we could display all #ubuntustudio on twitter on the website, too
[16:12] <ttoine> oh sorry, I was thinking you have some time now.
[16:13] <ailo-uds> ttoine: There is no longer a wiki space for adding blueprints. If you know an workitem you want to add, add it to workitem. If you are just thinking out loud, you can use the whiteboard
[16:13] <ttoine> ok
[16:14] <ailo-uds> I have time, but I'm also sitting at a session :).
[16:16] <knome> https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/263312157784035328
[16:20] <ttoine> ailo-uds, wich email adress can I use to create a twitter account ?
[16:20] <ttoine> or maybe knome or scott-work can tell me ?
[16:21] <ailo-uds> ttoine: For UbuntuStudio? Maybe let scott-work create one? Would be good also to think about how to coordinate the channels, so that many people can post, if needed
[16:23] <knome> i don't think twitter supports multiple email accounts
[16:23] <knome> just use one and be ready to share the account password
[16:23] <knome> that's what we did for xubuntu
[16:24] <ailo-uds> Some channels could just be used as forwarding channels
[16:24] <ailo-uds> You do one post, and it ends up in multiple places
[16:26] <ttoine> ailo-uds, that's why I would like us to have a Twitter account : to send the rss feed of ubuntustudio.org on it
[16:27] <ailo-uds> ttoine: If you like, you could make up some plan on how to coordinate everything. We have facebook and g+ already set up (g+ seems difficult to use in comb). And we have the website
[16:28] <ailo-uds> They don't all support the same kind of posts
[16:28] <knome> if you want wordpress to send the posts to twitter, you will need to get ahold of IS to get a plugin installed.
[16:30] <ttoine> knome, not at all
[16:30] <ttoine> it is possible to share the rss through twitter and facebook, and Linkedin with twitterfeed
[16:31] <ttoine> For facebook, you just need to add me to the admin of the ubuntu studi page
[16:31] <ttoine> for twitter, it seems that there is already a @ubuntustudio account... 
[16:32] <knome> is that active?
[16:32] <ttoine> no
[16:33] <ttoine> but is it not possible to use the account
[16:33] <ailo-uds> Doesn't seem to be someone we know
[16:33] <ttoine> and I can find it on twitter...
[16:33] <ttoine> https://twitter.com/ubuntustudio
[16:34] <ttoine> I send a mail to twitter admins to try to get it for us
[16:34] <ailo-uds> We could just use another name, like ubuntu-studio. The important thing is we put up a list of "official" accounts on the website, once we have this all sorted out
[16:34] <ailo-uds> ttoine: Ah, great
[16:38] <ttoine> is ubuntu studio a registered trade mark? maybe by canonical ?
[16:40] <ailo-uds> scott-work: ^
[16:40] <knome> most probably is
[16:41] <ttoine> I think that if we are not allowed to sell ubuntu studio t-shirts... it is pretty sure
[16:41] <knome> ttoine, you can actually sell, but you can't make any money out of it.
[16:41] <ttoine> ailo-uds, knome if you are at the uds, you may find someone of the marketing / brands / managment ?
[16:43] <ailo-uds> ttoine: We got a tip on who to email about it. If scott-work doesn't know, we should probably find out :)
[16:46] <ailo-uds> scott-work: I got a message now saying that Ubuntu Studio is not a registered trademark.
[16:46] <ailo-uds> ttoine: ^
[16:49] <knome> ...in united kingdom
[16:49] <ailo-uds> knome: The guy next to me just checked US too
[16:50] <knome> ok :)
[16:50] <knome> but the ubuntu part is trademarked, so...
[16:50] <knome> :)
[16:51] <ailo-uds> Yeah, how does that work? Ubuntu is a word though, so not like a name
[16:51] <knome> no idea
[16:57] <ttoine> I will try to manage that
[16:57] <ttoine> first of all i will contact the owner of @ubuntustudio
[16:57] <knome> ttoine, if the account is active, twitter can delete it for you
[16:57] <knome> ttoine, we did that with @Xubuntu
[16:57] <ttoine> and then contact twitter to see if as a community name, we can ask to get the name
[16:57] <knome> ttoine, (we used to be @XubuntuLinux)
[16:58] <ttoine> knome, great. how did you do that ?
[16:58] <knome> ttoine, you should ask pleia2, she handled that
[16:58] <knome> i don't think twitter has a hard policy on not allowing to reigster names that are not trademarked for "you" unless it's something like @microsoft
[16:59] <knome> anyway, i think you might need a *good* reason to delete an account that is not yours
[17:12] <ttoine> yes
[17:16] <ttoine> knome, for xubuntu, you have some email@xubuntu.org email address 
[17:16] <ttoine> ?
[17:21] <knome> ttoine, nope
[17:21] <ttoine> ok
[17:21] <knome> ttoine, just the ubuntu.com addresses for normal ubuntu members
[17:21] <knome> i think we ould look into it though
[17:27] <ttoine> I don't have an @ubuntu.com email address...
[17:28] <knome> ttoine, are you a ubuntu member?
[17:28] <ttoine> knome, how I know that ?
[17:28] <knome> ttoine, do you have the ubuntu irc cloak? :P
[17:28] <knome> ttoine, if you don't know, you most probably aren't
[17:29] <knome> you specifically need to apply to be one and be accepted
[17:29] <ttoine> and how I do that ?
[17:30] <knome> ttoine, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[17:46] <ttoine> the other problem is that there is no physical address for Ubuntu Studio
[17:49] <scott-work> ailo - yes, i believe all derivatives of ubuntu currently used are trademarked
[17:50] <scott-work> oh, i see that ailo said someone checked at it was not
[17:50] <knome> yeah
[17:51] <scott-work> i have an email from someone at canonical (marianna i thought) that said it was....checking
[17:51] <knome> mmh, right
[17:51] <knome> if that's marianna raffaele, i'm most certain she's here and ailo can get a hold of her
[17:52] <knome> i mean, not literally...
[17:52] <scott-work> oh, well. i'll search again for the email later
[17:52] <scott-work> i had asked about selling merchandise to support development and was basically told "no" but in a very roundabout, circuitous way
[17:53] <scott-work> knome: can't we control website access via a launchpad team?
[17:53] <scott-work> ..
[17:54] <knome> scott-work, yes
[17:54] <scott-work> i see that lightworks beta is going on, but it a very limited closed beta though :(
[17:54] <scott-work> or, i guess this is an alpha release of lightworks
[17:55] <knome> scott-work, well, we asked the canonical legal too, and they said we can sell merchandise *as long as we don't make any money out of them*
[17:56] <knome> scott-work, i'll talk with ailo about the website access, and show him how he can control that
[17:56] <scott-work> knome: i found it was michelle at canonical who is on the trademark team
[17:56] <scott-work> "Our trade marks policy does not allow the use of UBUNTU or the UBUNTU logo for commercial purposes and we therefore cannot consent to your sale of UBUNTU branded items."
[17:56] <knome> yeah, but you are not asking about ubuntu, just ubuntu studio
[17:57] <scott-work> knome: that is very, very interesting, i.e. "as long as we don't make any money out of them"
[17:57] <knome> you REALLY should talk with pleia2 about this, she's been handling it
[17:57] <scott-work> knome: i shall
[17:57] <scott-work> thank you
[17:57] <knome> no problem
[17:58] <knome> just trying to be helpful and exchange ideas
[18:39] <ttoine> scott-work, as there is ubuntu in the name it is protected
[18:41] <ttoine> I will try to chat with the ubuntu-fr loco team : they sell merchandise to help pay for bandwith and servers
[18:42] <ttoine> scott-work, the other problem I have with twitter to get the @ubuntustudio for us, is that there is not physical adresse for our "organisation"
[18:48] <knome> ttoine, again you might want to ask pleia2 how she did that
[18:52] <ttoine> knome, where can I find her ?
[18:52] <knome> ttoine, #xubuntu-devel for example
[18:53] <ttoine> ok
[21:16] <scott-work> ttoine: 
[21:16] <scott-work> oops
[21:17] <scott-work> ttoine: i think what knome is saying is that someone registered the 'xubuntu' twitter account with their own email address and then shared the address and password with others in the xubuntu-dev group
[21:17] <scott-work> knome: correct me if i am wrong
[21:17] <scott-work> this lets them get around the 'n physical address for the organization' issue
[21:17] <scott-work> wow, super long, busy day today. going home
[21:39] <ttoine> scott: it is not the same thing. to claim an account for an organisation, on should use an email adresse with the domain of this organisation
[22:27] <knome> ttoine, that sounds like what we did, but i'm not sure.
[22:45] <ttoine> knome, I will try to be a "member". But I don't know if my work for Ubuntu is enough...
[22:46] <ttoine> I'll take some time to make my wiki page, first
[22:46] <knome> ttoine, they will tell you need more, or more sustainable contribution, if that's the case
[22:47] <knome> the membership process isn't there to make obtaining a @ubuntu.com email hard, but there needs to be some guidelines
[22:47] <knome> once you get the membership though, it will be yours for life
[22:47] <knome> (even if you stopped contributing)
[22:47] <ttoine> it's okay. It is not only to have an @ubuntu.com
[22:47] <knome> yeah, i know
[22:48] <knome> that's how some people see the ubuntu membership though
[22:48] <ttoine> but after all, I did a lot of stuff for audio production
[22:48] <knome> and the guidelines need to be there partly because those people
[22:48] <knome> but i think also because there needs to be *some* credibility to having that badge
[22:49] <ttoine> I don't care of having a ubuntu business card : I run my own activity... But I would appreciate to see my work and my long involvment for ubuntu studio recognised. If it is not possible, It is not a problem
[22:51] <ttoine> knome, of course I understand the need of filters and conditions ;-)
[22:58] <knome> it definitely needs to be regocnized and getting a ubuntu membership is one of the ways to achieve that
[22:59] <knome> ttoine, will you be around sometime tomorrow?
[23:00] <ttoine> I guess in the afternoon. Not in the morning, I have things to do.
[23:00] <knome> so that's afternoon for europe? :)
[23:00] <ttoine> france, yes
[23:01] <knome> ok
[23:01] <ttoine> or gmt time, too
[23:01] <knome> i'll tell her to get ahold of you
[23:01] <ttoine> if you are at the UDS, it is quite the same
[23:01] <ttoine> the same time, I mean
[23:01] <knome> yeah, we are
[23:02] <ttoine> think to sleep a bit ;-)
[23:03] <ttoine> It is midnight here, so I go to bed. Have a nice morning/day/afternoon/evening
[23:03] <knome> oki, good night and see you around
[23:03] <knome> heh, yeah, midnight here as well