[00:00] <len-dt> I can't tell you a workflow though... just what I have heard from others.
[00:02] <Mikasi> I have been trying Open Studio and Kdenlive. Just wanted to know what others thought.
[00:03] <Mikasi> I have to take off with the g/f, but thanks for the help and I'll catch ya later - maybe on the FB page!
[00:21] <UberMusik> Mikasi:  Final Cut, Avid, or Autodesk Smoke (if you have lots of $$$)
[02:18] <bjrohan> I am having serious issues with video capture and converting, ffmpeg and ubunut people tried but couldn't help and referred me here. Can someone help a noob?
[02:25] <czjs> Hello everyone
[02:26] <czjs> Is it okay if I ask some completely stupid n00b questions?
[02:31] <bjrohan> I asked one and still waiting. Give it a go I will hear it but don't know much
[06:36] <charleyfoxtrot> is there a performance difference between ubuntu studio and xubuntu
[09:30] <chorusofweasels> If this is IRC, it's my first time EVER on IRC. Still not sure what it is.
[09:30] <chorusofweasels> Is it not on the world wide web?
[09:31] <chorusofweasels> This looks like a chat board, except nobody's saying anything but me.
[09:32] <chorusofweasels> I see dozens of users listed in a vertical column at the right, but there's no indication they're currently on; it might be a history.
[09:32] <chorusofweasels> I feel like I'm lost in the wilderness.
[09:32] <Unit193> Nope, that's users.  Some may be sleeping as this is early morning US time, and UDS as well.
[09:32] <Unit193> !uds
[09:32] <chorusofweasels> I don't know how to use this.
[09:33] <chorusofweasels> Anybody wanna try to hip up a newbie with a current state of Duh?
[09:33] <Unit193> May as well as whatever you need.
[09:33] <chorusofweasels> Is this IRC?
[09:33] <Unit193> Yep.
[09:34] <chorusofweasels> Is it not part of the www?
[09:34] <Unit193> Different protocol, did you see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat ?
[09:35] <chorusofweasels> I don't have time right now to read articles. This window came up as part of an install ation of Ubuntu Studio. The system is waiting for input.
[09:35] <chorusofweasels> So I'll scoot. But thanks anyway.
[09:55] <contrapunctus> Unit193?
[09:55] <contrapunctus> What was that? I don't even?
[09:55] <Unit193> contrapunctus: Yes?
[09:56] <contrapunctus> Referring to chorusofweasels, lulz.
[11:40] <rickbol> can anyone recommend a mini-pci 802.11G/N wifi card that works well with 12.xx ubuntu. Neither bcm4311 nor intel 4965 work in my Dell D630
[14:09] <holstein> hey rickbol
[14:09] <holstein> rickbol: why does the intel not work?
[14:09] <holstein> !broadcom
[14:11] <holstein> for my broadcom chips, i plug into internet and use sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer
[15:19] <rickbol> holstein: the intel wouldn't get or stay connected. Maybe swcrypto=1 would've helped, but now I've reinstalled the 4311, which pukes under heavy load.
[15:20] <holstein> rickbol: pukes?
[15:20] <rickbol> disconnects, and fails reconnect.
[15:20] <holstein> rickbol: i would check for and apply all upgrades.. see if a kernel upgrade helps
[15:21] <rickbol> if I flip the hw swithc for the wifi, it reconncs (so far).
[15:21] <holstein> i would test that the hardware is "good"
[15:21] <holstein> i would try with some live CD's
[15:21] <rickbol> work flawlessly on AVLinux5.x
[15:21] <rickbol> live CDs same prob
[15:21] <holstein> rickbol: then, make a note of that kernel and the module av is using
[15:22] <holstein> rickbol: its likely just a little older than the 12.10 one
[15:22] <holstein> rickbol: i would look for a regression bug in ubuntu
[15:22] <rickbol> it's old. debian squeeze
[15:22] <holstein> rickbol: i would go to a more generic support avenue, such as xubuntu or ubuntu...
[15:22] <rickbol> Oh, I've found bugs a plenty.
[15:23] <holstein> rickbol: yeah? more hardware support "bugs" ?
[15:23] <rickbol> just can't isolate whether I'm seeing the EXACT same thing, plus, nobody's doen anything about for years.
[15:23] <holstein> rickbol: you can always ask intel or broadcom to address those "bugs"
[15:23] <holstein> rickbol: no one can do anything about it
[15:24] <holstein> rickbol: what would i do?.. i would make a note of the kernel and module that av linux is using that is working
[15:24] <holstein> i would look for or file a bug with ubuntu/debian
[15:24] <holstein> i would maybe try the mainline kernels and try and get the future releases to support that harware if possible
[15:24] <rickbol> well, it kinda odd that it works perfectly on an older kernel, but not the newer. I haven't verified firmware versions across kernel versions.
[15:25] <holstein> rickbol: regression bugs are quite common.. especially with hardware that we dont have any way of supporting
[15:25] <holstein> im not kicking you out of here by any means, but this is not an ubuntustudio specific issue either
[15:26] <holstein> you would need to go at least upstream to ubuntu.. but you might want to test and report in debian
[15:26] <rickbol> wheezy will probably have an older kernel than ubuntu's 12.xx?
[15:26] <holstein> rickbol: i would load them up and see
[15:27] <holstein> rickbol: i would just make a note of what is working, and use it
[15:28] <rickbol> I've gor a pretty consistent repro, so that's a good idea (although I need vlc for the repro)
[15:28] <holstein> rickbol: repro?.. you mean repo? ppa?
[15:28] <holstein> rickbol: i would try with live CD's.. default install
[15:28] <holstein> you can add a ppa with firmware that can break functionality
[15:28] <rickbol> no, I can make the card puke.
[15:28] <rickbol> consistently
[15:29] <holstein> you can also try the windows driver with ndisgtk
[15:29] <rickbol> I don't think I could sleep at night using an ndis wrapper.
[15:30] <rickbol> ;-)\
[15:31] <holstein> rickbol: yeah?.. its just as proprietary
[15:31] <holstein> rickbol: you could test and learn something, from troubleshooting... and undo it afterwards
[15:32] <holstein> rickbol: you should be open to trying all possiblilities... and nailing down terms like "puke".. so that the volunteers where ever you end up getting help will be able to help you better
[15:33] <rickbol> holstein: ndiswrapper would be my absolute last resort.
[15:33] <rickbol> On the bugs, I wanted to add a "me too", but couldn't figure out how.
[15:33] <holstein> rickbol: it would be something you could try right now, in a few minutes.. and have another test case
[15:34] <holstein> rickbol: you create an account and click the "add me" or "me too" button
[15:34] <rickbol> I've got a bcm4322 coming. And it works fine w\12.04 on my netbook. I may try the intel again w\the swcrypto=1, but it doen't work in AVL5.x
[15:35] <rickbol> I was trying to migrate from AVL to UbuntuStudio
[15:37] <holstein> rickbol: i dont and havent used wifi in ubuntustudio
[15:38] <holstein> ubuntustudio is ubuntu though, as far as support
[15:38] <rickbol> ubuntustudio does use the pae kernal though, and I could understand that changing somethings about wifi from the generic kernel
[15:39] <holstein> rickbol: shouldnt change hardware support
[15:39] <holstein> rickbol: you are adding a module anyway
[15:40] <rickbol> I'm thinking interrupt timing on the bus, etc,... but that probably doesn't have anything to do with these issues.
[15:40] <holstein> i wouldnt expect it would
[15:40] <holstein> you can also just go for the vanilla ubuntu install for now.. take the variants out of the equation
[15:40] <holstein> you can get more help that way too... and support
[15:41] <holstein> rickbol: the team will never address 3rd party driver support directly
[15:41] <rickbol> one of the recent ubuntustudio updates put in a generic kernel. that's what I'm running now.
[15:41] <holstein> the best i can do is point you to the larger community and suggest troubleshooting steps
[15:41] <holstein> rickbol: shouldnt have done that automatically
[15:42] <holstein> rickbol: if you added the generic, and upgraded, the upgraded generic could be newer than the lowlatency one
[15:42] <holstein> i would try the generic anyways.. i would try the mainline ones.. i woud try different modules.. i would try ndis
[15:43] <rickbol> I was wonderinig if there was a "holy grail" wifi card that had great support and no proprietary goo
[15:43] <holstein> sure... but both of yours used to work
[15:43] <holstein> functionality can break anytime
[15:43] <holstein> but f the harware use to work, it can be made to work again
[15:43] <rickbol> I would think so
[15:44] <holstein> its all open... it *can* be made to work if it once did
[15:44] <holstein> the question is, how challenging is it to add that support? and what else might that break?
[15:45] <holstein> support is routinely removed from the kernel for older hardware... like that intel card.. that might be the one i would be looking at
[15:45] <holstein> i would just try live CD's..
[15:45] <holstein> make a note of the module that is being used in AV, and use that same one
[15:46] <rickbol> it uses b43, but I don't know which firmware blob.
[15:48] <holstein> rickbol: i would just fire up that version of av that is working and answer all those questions... which blob.. which driver package.. why, when, how... what kernel... who made the kernel? anyone else using that hardware?
[15:48] <holstein> i lierally install the broadcom blob and all is well
[15:48] <holstein> rickbol: i have one that is supported by the new open driver, do you?
[15:48] <rickbol> new open driver? isn't that b43?
[15:48] <holstein> rickbol: i had a similar issue where it "pukes"... and i blacklisted the open one, and use the other blob.. all is well
[15:49] <holstein> rickbol: nope.. that is not b43
[15:49] <holstein> rickbol: there is an open one, that is just included in the kernels now.. that could be what the newer kernel is loading.. i had to blacklist it on one card
[15:49] <rickbol> there's bcmwl, which is broadcom's, and that worked gret back in Maverick?
[15:50] <holstein> rickbol: are you in maverick?
[15:51] <holstein> rickbol: i would just go with what i constructive and relevant to you
[15:51] <rickbol> and bcmwl (i.e, wl)  was the default for ubuntustudio when I installed, but many bugs said swithc to the opensource b43-fwcutter
[15:51] <holstein> rickbol: that version of AV linux works.. maverick is EOL
[15:51] <rickbol> no, but good 'ol maverick... everything worked... perfectly.
[15:51] <holstein> lol.. load it up then
[15:52] <holstein> rickbol: or grab that kernel
[15:52] <holstein> the kernel cant carry forward the same support all the time
[15:52] <holstein> regressions in hardware support will happen
[15:52] <rickbol> AVL is a squeeze vintage kernel built by one of the distros devs
[15:52] <holstein> rickbol: grab that kernel
[15:53] <holstein> rickbol: bcmwl is the other blob
[15:53] <holstein> blacklist bcma
[15:53] <holstein> blacklist brcmsmac
[15:53] <holstein> blacklist brcmutil
[15:53] <holstein> ^^ those reference the new openones
[15:54] <rickbol> I think it's too old to support some of the new alsa\pulseaudio\ffado etc stuff I need for the audio stuff I need in UbuntuStudio
[15:54] <holstein> bcmwl is the other driver as referenced in
[15:54] <holstein> !broadcom
[15:54] <holstein> rickbol: i argue you dont need networking in ubuntustudio, but you should be albe to troubleshoot this issue
[15:54] <holstein> lets just keep talking about the facts
[15:55] <holstein> the sta drivers are the bcmwl ones.. proprietary blob option 1
[15:55] <rickbol> right
[15:55] <holstein> the other one is the b43 ones
[15:55] <holstein> also proprietary blob... option 2
[15:56] <rickbol> that was ubstud's default at install. I removed that and went to b43.
[15:56] <holstein> rickbol: so,the open ones, included in the kernel could be loading for you, and not working, just ast hey did for me
[15:56] <holstein> rickbol: neither of those proprietary blobs are or can be default for any ubuntu
[15:56] <holstein> or official ubuntu variant
[15:56] <holstein> rickbol: they are just not present... driver for broadcom devices
[15:57] <rickbol> right. the updater listed STA for my hardware.
[15:57] <rickbol> I installed it
[15:57] <holstein> rickbol: i used the b43s.. but i would try both
[15:57] <holstein> rickbol: i would be trying both in 12.04, or 12.10.. which ever you are using
[15:57] <holstein> rickbol: i would look for the other open modules i listed above, and blacklist them if needed
[15:58] <rickbol> I've installed 12.04. I've booted a 12.10 CD
[15:59] <holstein> rickbol: you can try from the live CD's, but i would try all of the above suggestions from the 12.04 install
[16:00] <holstein> rickbol: if you havent tried both drivers... i usually just run "udo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer"
[16:00] <holstein> though, on this certain hardware case, i need to blacklist the above modules
[16:00] <holstein> bcma, brcmsmac, brcmutil... though brcmsmac was the one i noticed was loading
[16:01] <rickbol> lsmod | grep bcma   lists:  "bcma                   25651  1 b43"   but no brcm
[16:02] <holstein> BCM4313 802.11b/g/n i what i have
[16:02] <holstein> rickbol: i would try both drivers
[16:02] <holstein> rickbol: i would also try the windows one
[16:03] <rickbol> holstein: what does   "lsmod | grep bcma" return for you?
[16:04] <holstein> rickbol: i dont have the same card
[16:05] <holstein> returns nothing
[16:08] <rickbol> holstein: hmmm, same for my netbook running a bcm4322 !!! Where do I blacklist bcma?
[16:12] <holstein> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf is where i added those
[16:12] <holstein> blacklist bcma
[16:12] <holstein> blacklist brcmsmac
[16:12] <holstein> blacklist brcmutil
[16:12] <holstein> you can then try the other 2 modules... i had good luck with the b43 one
[18:02] <rickbol> should I stick with 12.04 or move on to 12.10?
[18:02] <holstein> rickbol: should?.. im still running 10.04 on my studio machine
[18:03] <holstein> would i? if i needed something from 12.10, i would
[18:03] <holstein> nothing in ubuntustduio is really all that different
[18:03] <holstein> xfce is a bit different
[18:03] <holstein> i usually stick to the lts' on mission critical machines
[18:04] <rickbol> holstein: lts is what I was thinking.
[18:04] <rickbol> btw, regarding wifi woes (thanks for your help and encouragement)...
[18:05] <holstein> sure...
[18:05] <rickbol> when I stripped the drivers out, etc, and started clean, when I flipped the wifi hw switch...
[18:06] <rickbol> the hard drive got busy and it popped up the notification that I had drivers for my hardware to install.
[18:07] <rickbol> then, i looking at what was suggested, it listed the STA drivers (which should support the 4311). However,
[18:08] <rickbol> when I installed them and rebooted, it wouldn't activate the hardware. The "enable wireless" was checked, but it wouldn't scan for APs.
[18:10] <rickbol> so I removed STA and installed b43 (still blacklisting the one you mentioned previously). These ultimately worked (but still fail under heavy load, and still loads bcma even though its blacklisted.
[18:11] <holstein> rickbol: i would look at how you have blacklisted it
[18:11] <holstein> rickbol: it does not load for me
[18:11] <holstein> rickbol: i have no failures under any loads..
[18:11] <rickbol> You have the 4312, which is supported by the LP-PHY version of firmware - different than mine.
[18:12] <holstein> sure, but is that device supported or not?
[18:12] <holstein> did it used to work? it should work again
[18:13] <holstein> if broadcom updated the blob and broke it, let them know
[18:13] <holstein> we are not allowed to see that blob really
[18:13] <rickbol> The failure revolves around "ieee80211 phy0: wlan0: No probe response from AP 00:14:d1:c6:00:04 after 500ms, disconnecting."
[18:13] <rickbol> That's the MAC address of my AP
[18:14] <holstein> i would try other AP's
[18:14] <holstein> i would try the windows driver in ndis
[18:15] <rickbol> so my AP isn't responding fast enough to a probe? Hmmm, but it doesn't happen under other boots
[18:15] <holstein> i would try just a bunch of options.. isolating variables til something works
[18:15] <rickbol> Is the 802.11N supported with current kernel\drivers?
[18:16] <holstein> rickbol: mine was buggy
[18:16] <holstein> rickbol: i troubleshooted with the above suggestions for days
[18:17] <rickbol> this is a B\G\N AP, that I have working only in G\N mode. I'd like to go to N only. Any AP recommendations?
[18:17] <holstein> different drivers.. modules.. different ap's... different channels
[18:17] <holstein> with g/n
[18:17] <holstein> with wpa
[18:17] <holstein> without
[18:17] <holstein> ndis... sta is not supported
[18:17] <holstein> the open driver the b43 one
[18:17] <holstein> rickbol: i have lots of routers laying around, so i just set them up and test
[18:18] <holstein> rickbol: i take it to coffee shops
[18:18] <holstein> i still find i have to disable it on the keyboard and re enable sometimes..
[18:20] <rickbol> good idea. I'm think under normal loads (email\chat\etc) this current state will be satisfactory. Streaming ATSC won't cut it... but I'll try the 4322 when it gets here (it uses the STA driver).
[18:20] <holstein> i wouldnt buy anything from broadcom
[18:20] <holstein> though, they are trying to be open
[18:20] <rickbol> then maybe see if I can find other APs to try.
[18:21] <holstein> i would google around and see who has what working.. and i still would save reciepts
[18:21] <rickbol> holstein: but you plan on sticking with LTS?
[18:22] <holstein> i plan on keeping 10.04 on my studio machine til i need something else
[18:22] <holstein> im running all other supported ubuntu version on other machines
[18:22] <holstein> and i test the upcoming releases as time permits
[18:22] <rickbol> I'm just at a good point to reinstall if I were to move on to 12.10.
[18:23] <holstein> i never upgrade
[18:23] <holstein> i test upgrades
[18:23] <holstein> best case secnario with an upgrade.. it only takes about 6hours and everything is supported
[18:23] <rickbol> but I want stability over bleeding edge. I may have to compile some critical things, but that's on an as-needed basis
[18:23] <holstein> takes me about 10 minutes to download an iso. and another 10 to install.. and i shoudl have my date already backed up in either case
[18:24] <holstein> rickbol: i wouldnt call 12.10 "bleeding edge".. nor unstable
[18:24] <holstein> just not lts
[18:24] <holstein> depends on what you want
[18:25] <rickbol> what was 10.04? Was that the last gnome before unity? That release still rocks!
[18:25] <holstein> 10.10 had gnome
[18:25] <holstein> rickbol: they all have gnome
[18:26] <holstein> rickbol: ubuntu is doing what it always has.. release the most current version of gnome with ubuntu... just not by default anymore
[18:26] <holstein> rickbol: gnome2 is not keeping back at 10.04
[18:27] <rickbol> there's some fork of gnome2 I read about the other day.
[18:27] <holstein> xfce is quite nice.. and argubly more appropriate for US
[18:27] <holstein> rickbol: sure. try them out live.. mate and cinamon
[18:27] <holstein> im not missing gnome2 anymore
[18:27] <holstein> linux mint has a nie live CD that boots all of those
[18:27] <holstein> nice*
[18:27] <rickbol> I like lxfe as well. I don't need eyecandy and whistles.
[18:28] <holstein> lxde*
[18:28] <rickbol> right !
[18:30] <holstein> i use openbox often... which LXDE uses as well
[18:30] <rickbol> I think I'll stick with 12.04 and see what doesn't work that I want\need, and what it'll take to fix it.
[18:31] <rickbol> by the time I figure that out, they'll be another ubuntu release
[20:53] <ray12683> spricht jemand deutsch?
[20:55] <holstein> ray12683: /join #ubuntu-nl
[20:55] <ray12683> can you speak german?
[20:55] <holstein> german would be #ubuntu-de
[20:55] <ray12683> can you help me?
[20:56] <holstein> ray12683: i speak english.. you can state your support question here for myself and the other volunteers
[20:57] <ray12683> i search help for ubuntu Studio in german. wher i can find it?
[20:57] <holstein> ray12683: you'll just install it, and set the language
[21:00] <ray12683> i have a german version from studio. my questions i will see it in german in  this talk. my  english is not good
[21:01] <holstein> ray12683: you can set the language
[21:05] <ray12683> i search thank you
[21:29] <gaetano> holstein: hello! i have installed ubuntustudio 12.10...why i cant watch viedos such as youtube? do i have to get updates!?
[21:46] <holstein> gaetano: you can just install ubuntu-restricted-extras, or just search for what you are wanting to play, or refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[21:46] <holstein> the "why" is due to licensing
[21:48] <gaetano> holstein: thanks!
[21:50] <gaetano> holstein: how can i confirm that im actually using the version 12.10?
[21:52] <GridCube> lsb_release -r
[21:53] <gaetano> gridcube thank u
[21:53] <GridCube> np
[21:58] <gaetano> holstein: to install ubuntu-restricted-extras do i need to type in the terminal sudo apt-get install restricted-extra!?
[22:19] <GridCube> gaetano, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:19] <GridCube> or xubuntu-restricted-extras maybe
[22:19] <GridCube> but im sure they are the same
[22:23] <holstein> GridCube: thanks!
[22:24] <GridCube> no problem P: i could help so i did