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ScottKRiddell: Calligra has a problem on !x86 due to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openimageio/1.0.5+dfsg0-1ubuntu108:42
ScottKopenimageio uses GL directly, it's not going to work on our arm* and it seems to use functions that don't exist on our powerpc.08:43
ScottKIs that something that can be dropped for those architectures (Calligra's currently depwait due to the lack of openimageio on those archs).08:44
yofelScottK: openimageio is optional, so feel free to mark the build-dep [i386 amd64]08:45
ScottKyofel: Could you?  If I do the upload, then I can't be the one to look at it in New.08:45
ScottKAlso I think uploading Calligra might melt the netbook I have with me at UDS.08:46
yofeloh right, can do08:46
ScottKThanks.08:46
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Tm_TI tried to suggest sabdfl he needs some colour to the name badge (Kubuntu sticker, ofcourse), didn't buy it, yet10:07
afiestasRiddell: Quintasan_   lunch?11:51
udsslayerafiestas: where are you ?11:56
afiestasudsslayer going to the lunch room11:59
udsslayerI am already here12:00
BluesKajHi all12:26
apacheloggeryofel_, markey: IIRC smbfs was removed upstream in favor of cifs12:31
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ScottKapachelogger: Who was supposed to package the touchpad kcm?13:00
Riddellso who was the best speaker at today's plenaries?13:43
Riddellah google+ says me, yay :) https://plus.google.com/u/0/105060777124730205712/posts13:44
udsslayerQuintasan_: where are you ?13:45
tsdgeosRiddell: did you really need to use a 7 year old photo of me :D?14:06
SteveRileymine was 10!14:06
Riddelltsdgeos: first one google gave me14:07
Riddellplus it had the kubuntu sign in the background14:07
RiddellSteveRiley: it was to highlight how you've become better looking since switching to kubuntu :)14:07
SteveRileyhahaha nice recovery :)14:07
udsslayerlol14:09
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SteveRileyriddell: in b3-m1 i want to respond to your comment: 7" tablet <> 42" desktop :)15:41
* yofel goes looking where he can get a nexus 7 from15:58
JontheEchidnaDoes anybody know if there is a way to see why something that has been built successfully on all archs is still stuck in the -proposed pocket?16:00
yofelScottK: ^16:00
yofeludsslayer: do you know if this works kind of reliable? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation16:00
yofelThe session just now sure was interesting though16:00
udsslayeryofel: it does 16:01
udsslayerwe installed it on afiestas tablet16:02
yofelok, this months paycheck should arrive over the weekend ;D16:02
udsslayerand now we know where its going :P16:03
RiddellJontheEchidna: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html ?16:04
JontheEchidnaRiddell: I meant for raring, where all uploads are routed through -proposed16:04
JontheEchidnabut thanks for the link all the same16:05
Quintasanclaydoh: ping16:20
debfxJontheEchidna: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#qapt16:53
debfxyou need to upload rebuilds of everything that depends on libqapt-runtime and libqapt116:54
JontheEchidnaI see that I forgot to move a few instances of Depends: libqapt-runtime over to libqapt2-runtime in the qapt source package16:55
JontheEchidnabut demanding that all rdepends of a binary that will be NBS be migrated to the new library before it's accepted seems... extreme16:56
afiestasQuintasan: Riddell udsslayer what about dinner?16:57
QuintasanI have no idea16:57
udsslayerdunno16:57
udsslayerafiestas: any suggestions?16:57
afiestasudsslayer we go down where we went with sune (metro station)16:58
afiestasand decide there?16:58
udsslayerok16:59
Quintasank16:59
Quintasanlet me finish packaging intro!!!16:59
udsslayerhowever note that my card is blocked 16:59
JontheEchidnadebfx: but thanks, that was exactly the page I was looking for. (and didn't know existed)16:59
udsslayerso cannot buy tickets :P16:59
afiestasudsslayer I got you, np17:01
afiestasudsslayer, Quintasan, Riddell lobby 7:00 ?17:01
afiestas19:00?17:01
afiestas7PM ?17:01
udsslayerafiestas: I haz ticket for self 17:02
udsslayerjust not for anyone else or for the journey back17:02
Quintasanafiestas: sounds reasonable17:06
debfxJontheEchidna: it certainly is a substantial change but it's the same how Debian testing migration works17:08
* JontheEchidna predicts a lot more package removal requests in the future when librarys bump .so vresions17:09
debfxwell NBS have always been cleaned up before releases so this just forces you to do it right away17:11
* debfx loves pointless dev package renaming (libotr2-dev -> libotr5-dev)17:13
JontheEchidnaI guess. Maybe I'm just impatient17:13
JontheEchidnaand yeah, versioned -dev packages don't make much sense unless you provide multiple source packages for each ABI17:24
udsslayerafiestas: where are we going for dinner?17:30
udsslayerRiddell is asking the name of the place :P17:30
JontheEchidnaI still feel that such a scheme may not be appropriate for something like Ubuntu, where upstreams will probably respond to a new .so version of a library within the next few months, but block work with anything needing either the new or old API until everything is ready to switch at once17:30
afiestasudsslayer no idea17:31
udsslayerhaha17:31
afiestasthe thingn is to go downtown where we went with sune17:31
afiestas(to that part of the city) and decide there17:31
JontheEchidnaThat could work for Debian with its long release cycles, but it's kind of limiting for the 6 month Ubuntu release cycle17:31
yofelJontheEchidna: well, it only means that you shouldn't upload stuff that breaks the ABI short before release17:34
JontheEchidnaTaking this qapt transition for instance17:35
yofelI worry about KDE more than about qapt17:35
JontheEchidnaLuckily 2 out of the 3 consumers of libqapt are Kubuntu-maintained, and I've heard back from the third with regards to my porting patch17:35
udsslayerafiestas: we got invited to the linaro hacking dinner17:36
udsslayer:P17:36
JontheEchidnabut say there were more that couldn't get a release out for the next few months17:36
JontheEchidnamoving kde-runtime to the new qapt like I did would block work on all of KDE until all qapt consumers were ported to qapt217:36
afiestasudsslayer you as in... ?17:36
yofelhm17:37
yofelthat's not good indeed :/17:37
udsslayerafiestas: all of us17:37
JontheEchidna(and this could happen with any library)17:37
afiestasudsslayer whre is that? and when?17:37
udsslayerit's at the venue17:37
afiestasokz17:37
udsslayerwhere we have the sessions17:37
afiestaswhen are where?17:37
udsslayerright now, near the rooms where we have the sessions17:38
afiestasudsslayer linaro or ubuntu sessions?17:38
udsslayerno idea17:38
afiestascan you figure out and tell me? :3317:39
udsslayerwill ping you once I get there17:39
JontheEchidnaat any rate, the qapt upload I did 15 minutes ago should clear up the rest of the rdepends in -proposed, unblocking KDE17:40
Quintasanyofel: ping17:56
Quintasanany idea why can't I see anything when I join a channel and send a message?17:57
yofelQuintasan: works here, you did try to restart the client?18:00
Quintasangrr18:02
* Quintasan blames Quasseldroid18:02
yofelwell, I need to check something anyway when I get home. (from the core.log: "Error Message: ERROR:  duplicate key value violates unique constraint "buffer_userid_key"DETAIL:  Key (userid, networkid, buffercname)=(1, 2, quintasan) already exists.")18:03
yofelo.O18:03
BluesKajQuintasan, Konversation FTW !18:03
* yofel makes his way home18:04
yofelbbl18:04
afiestasudsslayer is getting late18:05
udsslayerwat wat18:06
udsslayerafiestas: come down to the bridge thing18:06
udsslayerall of us are just sitting here talking18:06
udsslayerwell18:06
udsslayerpersia and ScottK are talking18:06
udsslayerand all of us are trying to follow them18:07
JontheEchidnalol18:08
SteveRileyor not fall asleeeeeeeeeepzzzzzzzzzzzzz18:09
afiestasudsslayer with or without laptop?18:12
udsslayerafiestas: *shrug*18:12
udsslayerI'll take mine18:12
udsslayerbecause I don't want to go up to my room18:13
Quintasanbulldog98_: ping19:57
bulldog98_Quintasan: what’s up?19:58
Quintasanbulldog98_: much of things, why did you drop all of active patches from kde-workspace?19:58
bulldog98_Quintasan: when?19:58
udsslayerhttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/revision/64319:59
bulldog98_haven’t done stuff since around half a year or so19:59
udsslayerthat one19:59
Quintasanand it's not jsut that one19:59
Quintasanall of them are gone19:59
bulldog98_hm seems like quilt refresh went crasy20:03
Quintasanokay, looks like a shitload of work20:03
udsslayerQuintasan: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/changes20:04
bulldog98_Quintasan: hm20:05
bulldog98_wait20:05
Quintasanthat DID NOT get merged upstream20:05
Quintasanbulldog98_: and?20:08
bulldog98_Quintasan: hm revert 643 then20:08
Quintasan...20:08
Quintasandebfx: Any idea what as to what might have happended to other kde-workspace active-related patches?20:09
bulldog98_but seems like the enable_kwinactive.diff didn’t match the actuall code of CMakeFiles.txt anymore20:09
yofelQuintasan: I know that we had lots of patches, but IIRC most of that *did* get merged into master20:11
yofelor for how many patches are you looking?20:11
QuintasanI have absolutely no idea but the one that bulldog98_  seemed CRITICAL to get GL ES stuff20:12
Quintasanand that's no longer there :D20:12
QuintasanWe're either double-building for no reason or I need sleep20:12
yofelfor that matter: kdelibs has a set of -mobile patches that aren't used20:13
yofeloh20:13
yofelQuintasan: no, we're double-building because if you enble active, kwin doesn't build most of the desktop stuff20:14
yofelsee CMakeLists.txt line 22ff20:15
bulldog98_hm Quintasan only modified stuff there in rev 644 and 64320:15
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=644&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 644 | Matthias: menu accelerators20:15
bulldog98_Quintasan: I’ll have a look into the kwin repro20:16
Quintasanbulldog98_:  there are two patches so far and they got dropped, I belive one was essential20:19
Quintasanyofel: Why is that? I believe the rules was made that so it gets build in a separate directory after clearing everything20:19
bulldog98_Quintasan: hm the enable on is in kwin as far as I saw that20:19
Quintasanbulldog98_: it might be but I'm pretty sure we looked for some lines out of the patch and they weren't there are all20:20
yofelQuintasan: well, enabling active is a configure-time setting20:20
bulldog98_Quintasan: I’m going trough it right now20:20
yofelso it's Desktop XOR Active20:20
yofelif you want both, build twice20:20
Quintasanyofel: That's why we did double-build in a separate directory my friend20:20
yofelwasn't that what you were asking? (or I'm too tired as well)20:21
Quintasanyofel: I know that active disables most desktop GL stuff20:21
yofel"We're either double-building for no reason or I need sleep" - I answered with the reason20:22
yofeldid I miss something?20:22
QuintasanThat's why I did the double-building magic with debfx's help20:22
Quintasanso we get regular kwin20:22
yofelright20:22
bulldog98_Quintasan: stuff in CMakeLists is all in20:22
Quintasanand kwin-active built in a separate directory20:22
udsslayerno it's not20:22
Quintasancheck master20:22
udsslayerI'm checking master and it's not there20:22
Quintasanit's not there20:22
bulldog98_udsslayer: what’s not in?20:23
Quintasanthe patch applies cleanly bulldog98_ 20:23
Quintasanapplykwin.diff20:23
Quintasanit applies cleanly on master20:23
udsslayerbulldog98_: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/view/643/debian/patches/enable_kwinactive.diff20:23
udsslayerapplies cleanly on master20:23
Quintasanokay20:24
Quintasanwe just found something called kubuntu_revert_1380720933sth.diff20:24
udsslayerkubuntu_revert_1554ba408633397066d31c3d565c217b5a385fb8.diff20:24
Quintasanit makes ecen less sense20:24
yofelwell, that was me20:24
Quintasaneven*20:24
yofeland that was removed long ago20:24
Quintasanokay20:25
Quintasanwell fcks20:25
udsslayerQuintasan: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/revision/64420:25
QuintasanI'll redo it from scratch20:25
yofeludsslayer: uhm, applying enable_kwinactive.diff to kde-workspace master gives me:20:26
yofelpatching file kwin/CMakeLists.txt20:26
yofelReversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]20:26
yofelthat *IS* all upstream20:26
Quintasanit applies cleanly here lol20:26
udsslayer@_@20:26
Quintasanwe just checkout master20:26
udsslayer^20:26
yofelwait20:26
yofelQuintasan: nvm20:27
yofelI need sleep too20:27
QuintasanI see what you did there :D20:27
yofelgit reset --hard origin/master told the truth20:27
QuintasanWell to be perfetctly honest - someone got rid of the patches, that was bulldog98_ 20:27
udsslayer:P20:27
Quintasanand someone left the double-building stuff in rules20:27
udsslayerhttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/revision/644 20:27
Quintasanand it's doublebuilding nothing :d'20:27
udsslayeris the thing that causes issues imo20:27
yofelso yeah, that patch needs to be put back20:28
Quintasanokay20:28
yofel*blink*20:29
yofelnvm, I should write better commit messages20:29
QuintasanI will rewrite the whole thing from scratch20:30
Quintasancurrentlu20:30
QuintasanAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAH20:30
yofeler wait20:31
Quintasancurrently20:31
Quintasanour gles binary20:31
Quintasansomehow links to libEGL20:31
Quintasanand libGL and the same time20:31
yofel"fun"20:32
QuintasanI have absolutely no idea how that works right now20:32
Quintasanif we were double-building this crap for 6 months20:32
yofeludsslayer, Quintasan: btw. I *DO* need coffee or sleep - that patch IS upstream20:32
bulldog98_was commit 463 right then?20:32
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=463&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 463 | Coolo: kfm-0.8.120:32
yofelI was reading the wrong CMakeLists.txt -.-20:32
udsslayerimpossibru20:32
udsslayerit applies cleanly20:32
yofelkde  bug 29608420:32
ubottuKDE bug 296084 in core "Different binary name for KWin Active" [Wishlist,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29608420:32
udsslayeryofel: http://paste.kde.org/587108/20:33
yofeludsslayer: [ ~/src/kde-workspace 47 files 292Kb ]20:34
yofelyofel@yofel-T510 $ git checkout master 20:34
yofelAlready on 'master'20:34
yofel[ ~/src/kde-workspace 47 files 292Kb ]20:34
yofelyofel@yofel-T510 $ git clean -dfx20:34
yofel[ ~/src/kde-workspace 47 files 292Kb ]20:34
yofelyofel@yofel-T510 $ git reset --hard origin/master 20:34
yofelHEAD is now at 46ab302 Merge branch 'KDE/4.9'20:34
yofel[ ~/src/kde-workspace 47 files 292Kb ]20:34
udsslayer!find kwinactive20:34
yofelyofel@yofel-T510 $ patch -p1 < ~/dump/kubuntu/kde-workspace/debian/patches/enable_kwinactive.diff 20:34
ubottuFound: libkwinactiveeffects1abi4, libkwinactiveglesutils1, libkwinactiveglutils1abi1, libkwinactivenvidiahack420:34
yofelpatching file kwin/CMakeLists.txt20:34
yofelReversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n] ^C20:34
yofelAAARGH20:34
yofel-.-20:34
yofelsorry20:34
yofelhttp://paste.kde.org/58711420:34
yofel$ kwinactive20:34
yofelThe program 'kwinactive' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:20:35
yofelsudo apt-get install kde-window-manager-active20:35
yofelhm, the nexus 7 has no normal usb port :/20:36
QuintasanI no longer have any idea what's going on in the damn workspace package20:38
Quintasanwe have20:38
Quintasankde-window-manager-gles20:38
QuintasanAND kde-window-manager-active20:38
Quintasanand20:38
QuintasanI HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA20:38
Quintasanwhich one is which20:39
Quintasanwe also have the normal kwin20:39
Quintasansomebody is going to fix this and that's not me20:39
yofeluh, gles is kwin_gles, active is kwinactive, normal is kwin20:39
yofelall 3 have their use cases20:39
Quintasanoh damn it20:39
yofelso it's completely intentional that we have 3 different editions of kwin20:39
Quintasanokay20:40
Quintasanso which one goes on which platform20:40
yofelkwin is default, gles can be used if your driver supports gles, active is for plasma-active20:40
Quintasanokay20:40
Quintasannow I sort of get it20:40
Quintasanbut I still have no idea what that patch applies against master and does not apply for 4.920:41
Quintasanshouldn't master have the damn thing inside?20:41
yofeldid you run the same commands that I did? http://paste.kde.org/58711420:41
Quintasanit's like they shipped 4.9 with the gles code and did not bother putting that into mater20:42
Quintasanmaster*20:42
bulldog98_udsslayer: ok that one you pasted applies20:42
udsslayeryofel: http://paste.kde.org/587132/20:42
bulldog98_http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/view/643/debian/patches/enable_kwinactive.diff but then why isn’t it upstream?20:42
Quintasanyofel: udsslayer just did it20:42
Quintasancopy pasta20:42
Quintasanand it applied20:42
Quintasan!@#$%^&*(20:42
udsslayerok they're kicking us out20:43
udsslayercya20:43
yofelwhack me if you want20:43
Quintasanbbl20:43
yofelused the wrong patch rev *-.-20:43
* yofel yawns20:43
Quintasan...20:43
Quintasanokay20:43
yofelso yeah, udsslayer's patch probably applies20:43
Quintasanwe're finishing this tomorrow20:44
Quintasanwe need sleep20:44
yofel+120:44
bulldog98_http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/view/643/debian/patches/enable_kwinactive.diff but then why isn’t it upstream?20:45
bulldog98_+120:45
BarkingFishEvening guys - heads up to you, i'm filing this as a bug - i just went to apply latest updates to my kit (nvidia-common and ubuntu-drivers-common), and to complete the install, apper wants to uninstall itself, along with packagekit and packagekit-tools20:46
yofelwhere does that patch even come from o.O?20:46
BarkingFishi'm thinking it probably doesn't want to do that :)20:46
yofel(not a good question if I look at bzr blame... http://paste.kde.org/587144)20:47
yofelBarkingFish: ouch20:47
yofelBarkingFish: can you check if 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' wants to do the same thing?20:47
BluesKajBarkingFish, weird , did you try with apt-get ?20:48
yofelQuintasan, udsslayer: that patch was *mostly* applied upstream20:50
yofelI do wonder why the rest didn't get applied20:50
BarkingFishAll I have to figure out now is what to file it against, yofel :)  I guess its gonna be a process of elimination to figure out which update wants apper off...20:51
BarkingFishwell I know which package it is now - ubuntu-drivers-common20:51
BarkingFishBluesKaj, not yet, I'll give it a shot though20:52
yofelwhich release are you on?20:52
BarkingFish12.1020:52
BarkingFishok, well apt-get on the cli doesn't try to uninstall apper20:55
Quintasanyofel: this is definitely wierd, kwingles links against libGl and egl and liggles at the same time xd20:55
QuintasanI don't even want to think about it20:55
yofel...20:55
Quintasangoing to get a beer20:55
yofelsure, enjoy the evening20:55
BarkingFishjust ran sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade, update simply went through.  20:55
BarkingFishnvm, guess I got nothing to do now :)20:56
* yofel wonders if packagekit's depencency resolve does anything weird20:56
Quintasanheh20:56
yofel*resolver20:56
* yofel takes a break from kubuntu work and goes fixing neon20:57
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