| === TheOpenSourcerer is now known as theopensourcerer | ||
| diplo | Morning all | 08:10 |
|---|---|---|
| BigRedS | Good Morning! | 08:17 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 08:35 |
| christel | morning czajkowski! | 08:35 |
| czajkowski | christel: danish likes to draw lines in their Os | 08:35 |
| czajkowski | very odd trying toread it | 08:35 |
| christel | hehe | 08:40 |
| christel | have you found time to do some SHOPPING yet? | 08:40 |
| christel | i love shopping in denmark | 08:40 |
| AlanBell | morning all | 08:53 |
| MooDoo | morning | 08:53 |
| christel | morning AlarmBell, MooDoo :) | 08:55 |
| theopensourcerer | Gosh, just getting up everyone? | 09:01 |
| czajkowski | christel: narp | 09:21 |
| czajkowski | dealing with the ikea soft beds! | 09:21 |
| christel | auchies | 09:22 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| czajkowski | very much so | 09:22 |
| * christel hugs czz | 09:29 | |
| NET||abuse | woow, after the initial nvidia mess, i'm honestly quite happy with my 12.10 experience | 09:36 |
| NET||abuse | think my beefy laptop is pretty well suited to handle any UI load. | 09:37 |
| NET||abuse | Though i'm not really feeling the pain of any lens search stuff, one thing, alt key is triggering run commands all the time. | 09:38 |
| NET||abuse | and i use alt alot for other thing. | 09:38 |
| NET||abuse | s | 09:38 |
| AlanBell | just listened to the audio of the shopping lens discussion yesterday | 09:38 |
| daubers | AlanBell: anything interesting? | 09:40 |
| AlanBell | well I am trying not to care about it | 09:41 |
| AlanBell | just think the implementation of the privacy setting is so terrible | 09:41 |
| daubers | Yup :) You can have ALL OF THE THINGS or NONE OF THE THINGS!!!!! | 09:42 |
| AlanBell | it is massively worse than any perceived problem with the lens itself | 09:42 |
| AlanBell | well you can turn off all the lenses shipped by default in an undocumented way | 09:43 |
| AlanBell | but it has zero effect on any lens written to the API | 09:43 |
| oimon | does anyone else have problems with chrome going crazy and taking over the whole system ? it's taken me 20 mins of ctrl-alt-f1, iotop and top and pkill to get a working desktop | 09:47 |
| NET||abuse | oimon: it was on fedora, but previously ive had chromium and chrome just get stuck in full screen | 09:51 |
| popey | i stopped using chrome, eats too much cpu | 09:51 |
| oimon | firefox eats RAM, can't win | 09:52 |
| popey | i use chromium now | 09:52 |
| oimon | i keep thinking my DE is buggy but i think it's the browsers are getting more bloaty | 09:52 |
| NET||abuse | popey: i can't free myself from their inspector ;) too useful for dev work | 09:52 |
| AlanBell | I use chromium and firefox (firebug ftw) | 09:52 |
| oimon | is chromium updated again now? was higly insecure before | 09:52 |
| AlanBell | NET||abuse: what bit of inspector do you like over firebug? | 09:52 |
| NET||abuse | AlanBell: i don't know if there's anything firebug does that i can't do just as wel or better in inspector | 09:53 |
| popey | Version 20.0.1132.47 Ubuntu 12.04 (144678) | 09:53 |
| popey | thats what i am on | 09:53 |
| NET||abuse | AlanBell: well for js debugging i just fine inspector is much nicer, context on console.log's allowing me to traverse objects so easily | 09:53 |
| AlanBell | interesting, I use it a bit | 09:54 |
| AlanBell | I find firebug easier for some reason, especially poking at CSS, but I suspect it is not anything particularly rational | 09:55 |
| AlanBell | I probably just like the colours better :) | 09:55 |
| NET||abuse | AlanBell: yeh, there was that when i made the switch over from firebug | 09:55 |
| NET||abuse | found chrome inspector a bit confusing. | 09:55 |
| NET||abuse | now it's the reverse | 09:55 |
| NET||abuse | just tried logging a date in firebug and inspector. the difference is presentation really | 09:55 |
| NET||abuse | Chrome shows me the actual value of a date object, | 09:56 |
| AlanBell | too much red in chromium inspector :) | 09:56 |
| NET||abuse | firebug shows me the same date info but links it to an empty object. | 09:56 |
| oimon | chromium on ubuntu was at v18 for ages, with some security vulnerabilities | 09:56 |
| NET||abuse | i find firefox muuuuch slower though | 09:57 |
| oimon | chrome stable is at v22, haven't checked the bugs since v20 though | 09:57 |
| oimon | chromium i experienced the same system shag FWIW | 09:57 |
| AlanBell | NET||abuse: I can't find a box model layout thing in inspector | 09:57 |
| NET||abuse | hmm? box model layout? | 09:58 |
| AlanBell | select a div and visually set size, padding, border, margin | 09:58 |
| NET||abuse | oh the visual box showing measurements? | 09:58 |
| AlanBell | yeah, layout tab in firebug | 09:58 |
| DJones | Is anybody using xchat 2.8.8 (not gnome-xchat), do you get a userlist on the right of the screen | 09:59 |
| oimon | DJones, yes | 10:00 |
| DJones | Strange, I haven't gone one and can't find a way to switch it on | 10:00 |
| oimon | settings-> prefs-> user list-> show at right , upper | 10:00 |
| DJones | Yep thats set, just changed to right lower to see if that makes a difference | 10:02 |
| oimon | view->user list | 10:02 |
| DJones | Also ticked | 10:02 |
| DJones | Still nothing, 2 different networks | 10:04 |
| DJones | Ah, got one now | 10:05 |
| DJones | But only if set to appear on the left | 10:05 |
| DJones | oimon: Can you get the list to appear on the right hand side? Upper right/left? | 10:07 |
| oimon | yes | 10:09 |
| oimon | i can switch sides | 10:09 |
| DJones | Very odd, ah well, not a problem, left will do for me, if anything thats better because it takes up less space | 10:09 |
| DJones | Thanks for checking and the suggestion | 10:10 |
| oimon | DJones, move to right, and hover, looking for a resize arrow | 10:11 |
| oimon | it's possible to resize down to nothing | 10:11 |
| oimon | look for the = symbol on the right | 10:11 |
| DJones | Thanks, that found it | 10:12 |
| oimon | \o/ | 10:13 |
| diplo | theopensourcerer: Had many candidates for the job ? | 10:13 |
| theopensourcerer | 5 and a 1/2 so far I think. | 10:13 |
| Neoti_Desktop | any one in here from BT, if so whats the problems in the area 01491? or sould someone in this area advise if they have ADSL problems ? | 10:13 |
| oimon | theopensourcerer, link? | 10:13 |
| theopensourcerer | oimon: http://www.libertus.co.uk/about-us/jobs/7-free-software-engineer | 10:14 |
| christel | and a half? :) | 10:14 |
| theopensourcerer | lol | 10:14 |
| christel | is that where they beg you to pay them only half? :P | 10:14 |
| theopensourcerer | Yes - someone who *might* be interested. Wants to come and have a chat with us first. That's fine. he's an interesting candidate for a number of reasons. | 10:14 |
| oimon | posted to linux jobs list too? | 10:15 |
| christel | :) | 10:15 |
| AlanBell | yes | 10:15 |
| theopensourcerer | oimon: link? | 10:15 |
| AlanBell | I did already theopensourcerer | 10:15 |
| theopensourcerer | OK AlanBell | 10:15 |
| christel | AlanBell spammed all the things ;) | 10:15 |
| AlanBell | hmm, I thought I did :) | 10:16 |
| Gargoyle | morning | 10:16 |
| Gargoyle | any munin users around? | 10:16 |
| SuperMatt | soy | 10:17 |
| SuperMatt | I mean, yes | 10:17 |
| diplo | I'd be totally interested if I was closer, and maybe a few more pennies :) | 10:17 |
| SuperMatt | I went spanish for a second there | 10:17 |
| Gargoyle | I've hit a wall trying to get munun running on 12.10 + nginx | 10:18 |
| SuperMatt | righto | 10:18 |
| AlanBell | salary is a guidance to set expectations, if someone thinks they are worth more (or less) they are welcome to try and convince us of that :) | 10:18 |
| SuperMatt | ah, nginx... hmm | 10:18 |
| SuperMatt | Does nginx use php?? I don't know | 10:18 |
| Gargoyle | Seems to be generating the html OK. But I can't seem to get graph links to work. | 10:18 |
| SuperMatt | I mean munin | 10:18 |
| SuperMatt | does munin use php? | 10:18 |
| AlanBell | theopensourcerer: I subscribed to the linuxjobs list to post it, but it doesn't appear to have reached the list archives | 10:19 |
| Gargoyle | nope. It's all pearl based I think | 10:19 |
| SuperMatt | hurm | 10:19 |
| SuperMatt | I must confess I've never done it | 10:19 |
| oimon | i posted to the linuxjobs list for a job before, and the applications i received from those guys were somewhat...interesting | 10:20 |
| SuperMatt | http://munin-monitoring.org/wiki/CgiHowto2 <- have you followed this? | 10:20 |
| Gargoyle | SuperMatt: Yeah. I just get Bad Gateway | 10:20 |
| SuperMatt | http://munin.readthedocs.org/en/latest/example/webserver/nginx.html or this? | 10:20 |
| SuperMatt | hurm, I don't know really | 10:21 |
| Gargoyle | SuperMatt: Woo hoo! | 10:22 |
| SuperMatt | It's not something I can spend any time on today trying to figure out | 10:22 |
| SuperMatt | oh | 10:22 |
| SuperMatt | something worked | 10:22 |
| * Gargoyle gives SuperMatt a gold star! | 10:22 | |
| SuperMatt | ta | 10:22 |
| Gargoyle | 1 line not in all the other docs I found that explicity says permissions are fubar on Ubuntu! | 10:23 |
| SuperMatt | :> | 10:24 |
| daubers | GAH! | 10:25 |
| daubers | I'm about 2 seconds away from removing whoopsie and throwing it in the bin! | 10:25 |
| popey | wassup? | 10:26 |
| SuperMatt | Is whoopsie that thing that keeps tracks of applications crashing? | 10:26 |
| popey | its the thing that uploads crashdumps to launchpad | 10:26 |
| daubers | popey: It tell's me an error has occured, I tell it to go away, so it pops up and tells me an error has occured. Repeat about 15 times | 10:26 |
| daubers | I KNOW YOU TOLD ME NOW GO AWAY AND DIE! | 10:26 |
| popey | what do you have in /var/crash/* ? | 10:26 |
| popey | there is an open bug that it doesn't respect the "i told you this already" button | 10:27 |
| daubers | 2 .crashes and 3 .uploads | 10:27 |
| popey | for what apps? | 10:27 |
| daubers | inkscape and xorg | 10:27 |
| popey | sometimes it fails to upload so will ask you again later | 10:27 |
| popey | when are they dated? | 10:27 |
| daubers | Xorg is yesterday, rest is the last 10 minutes | 10:28 |
| popey | rm them all | 10:28 |
| daubers | gone | 10:29 |
| AlanBell | whoopsie is the "welcome to Ubuntu screen" on first install a bit too often | 10:30 |
| popey | whereas in previous releases we never knew when stuff crashed | 10:30 |
| popey | at least now we can fix it | 10:30 |
| daubers | FFS! GO AWAY AND DIE | 10:30 |
| daubers | stupid whoopsie | 10:31 |
| daubers | It's now going | 10:31 |
| AlanBell | yeah, it serves a purpose | 10:31 |
| popey | ah well. | 10:31 |
| AlanBell | would be nice to have a "just silently get on with it" option | 10:32 |
| AlanBell | especially for things that the user neither knows or cares crashed | 10:32 |
| AlanBell | like unity-video-lens or whatever | 10:32 |
| shauno | or atleast rate-limit the interaction so it doesn't "no, go away" doesn't become a muscle-memory response | 10:33 |
| diplo | yeah I've been getting a lot of whoopsies recently :( | 10:33 |
| oimon | diplo, there's a lot going round. my kids had that too :) | 10:33 |
| AlanBell | diplo: for things that you know crashed, or just randomly popping up and telling you something crashed that you didn't know about? | 10:34 |
| daubers | hooray, whoopsie is no more | 10:34 |
| diplo | Bit of both AlanBell | 10:34 |
| daubers | stupid poxy thing keep interrupting me | 10:34 |
| diplo | and oimon :D | 10:35 |
| daubers | GAH! Is there more than one package that controls whoopsie? | 10:35 |
| daubers | Damn thing is still going even though I uninstalled it | 10:35 |
| popey | the dialog is apport-gtk | 10:36 |
| daubers | Gone. Hopefully now it'll leave me in peace | 10:36 |
| mgdm | I've switched everything I can find to do with the update manager off but it still pops up every time I boot my machine | 10:37 |
| mgdm | never seen whoopsie do anything, though | 10:38 |
| SuperMatt | I always change /etc/default/apport to enabled=0 and I never get the silly crash messages | 10:38 |
| Myrtti | webapps extension in chromium is still crashing | 10:41 |
| Myrtti | after a reinstall | 10:41 |
| Myrtti | :-| the biggest dissappointment was how Ubiquity or luks failed with what I wanted to do with my partitions | 10:41 |
| Myrtti | tried to create encrypted swap, / and /home partitions, swap and / worked fine but /home couldn't mount on boot because the password was wrong - then again when I ran the live session and mounted /home there, the password was valid | 10:43 |
| DJones | Anybody interested in free crossover office? http://www.codeweavers.com/about/general/press/20121029/ Being given away today | 10:51 |
| popey | SuperMatt, :( | 10:54 |
| mgdm | DJones: Hmm I got similar a few years ago | 10:55 |
| oimon | DJones, playonlinux is giving me office 2010 quite nicely | 10:55 |
| SuperMatt | popey: ? | 10:55 |
| DJones | mgdm: Yeah I got that probably around the same time, similar offer, installed it, but then never ended up using it | 10:55 |
| * AlanBell reenables /etc/default/apport | 10:55 | |
| AlanBell | SuperMatt: the idea is that they collate the crash reports and stop the crashers | 10:56 |
| popey | if everyone did that we'd never get anything fixed | 10:56 |
| AlanBell | if everyone turns it off like I did then they get no reports | 10:56 |
| SuperMatt | oh all right | 10:57 |
| AlanBell | but I kind of wanted to use my desktop without having popups all the time about obscure background services crashing | 10:57 |
| popey | the bugs on errors.ubuntu.com are highly surfaced as things we want to fix in our to-do lists | 10:57 |
| AlanBell | figure it is time to turn it back on again now | 10:57 |
| DJones | Now, do I set the coffee machine up in the kitchen, or be lazy and set it up in the office to save walking downstairs to get drinks | 10:58 |
| SuperMatt | and there's my first error | 10:58 |
| DJones | Setting up in the ofice seens a good idea | 10:58 |
| popey | SuperMatt, what do you have in /var/crash and how old are the reports? | 10:59 |
| popey | i.e. you could rm everything in /var/crash (via sudo) and have a "clean start" | 10:59 |
| popey | also SuperMatt what version of ubuntu are you running and do you have a stock ubuntu desktop with all necessary packages installed (sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^) | 11:00 |
| SuperMatt | ooh, I only have gwibber crashes | 11:00 |
| SuperMatt | and I've actually removed gwibber | 11:00 |
| oimon | and gwibber-service removed? | 11:01 |
| SuperMatt | I'm running quantal with pretty much everything, except gwibber and gwibber service | 11:01 |
| SuperMatt | I don't think I've removed anything else | 11:01 |
| oimon | i forgot gwibber existed | 11:01 |
| SuperMatt | yup, only gwibber is gone | 11:02 |
| oimon | twitter is OK for phones but i never use it on PC | 11:02 |
| SuperMatt | because I don't need it with webapps | 11:02 |
| ali1234 | whoopsie/apport always crashes for me | 11:03 |
| SuperMatt | popey: are there any official slides/documentation for people that want to do Ubuntu training sessions at work/in the community? | 11:03 |
| ali1234 | either that or it spends 20 minutes uploading and then says the bug is not valid | 11:04 |
| ali1234 | of course both of these cases are things that don't show up in any error tracking | 11:04 |
| ali1234 | many of the crashes it does detect is stuff that crashes on shutdown for no reason | 11:05 |
| ali1234 | like firefox | 11:05 |
| popey | SuperMatt, not that I'm aware of | 11:07 |
| SuperMatt | dang | 11:08 |
| SuperMatt | figured that'd be a nice thing to have | 11:09 |
| popey | sure, we did have some which was made a while back | 11:09 |
| popey | good training material isn't cheap to make | 11:10 |
| SuperMatt | no, I imagine it's not | 11:10 |
| SuperMatt | might be worth a team coming together to develop something and try to stay on top if it | 11:10 |
| SuperMatt | a community team, that is | 11:11 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 11:11 |
| popey | yup, i agree | 11:12 |
| popey | its a lot of work | 11:12 |
| SuperMatt | have I volunteered myself? | 11:13 |
| AlanBell | SuperMatt: there might be some stuff on spreadubuntu | 11:13 |
| SuperMatt | ta | 11:13 |
| AlanBell | it is mostly just posters and marketing, but there might be something to use | 11:13 |
| MonsterKiller | when i ssh my ubuntu server with a user that isnt "root" and try to scroll back previous commands, it just does "^[[A" but if im logged in as root it actually scroll the previous commands. what could that be? | 11:13 |
| AlanBell | SuperMatt: a moodle course would be good | 11:14 |
| AlanBell | MonsterKiller: sounds like the up cursor keymapping is wrong | 11:14 |
| MonsterKiller | it works fine if im logged on as the root user | 11:14 |
| MonsterKiller | :/ | 11:14 |
| AlanBell | what are you using as your ssh client? | 11:14 |
| MonsterKiller | putty | 11:14 |
| AlanBell | on windows? | 11:15 |
| MonsterKiller | yeah | 11:15 |
| AlanBell | try using ubuntu :) | 11:15 |
| ali1234 | that won't help | 11:15 |
| AlanBell | mostly to see if it works from a terminal | 11:15 |
| AlanBell | termcap stuff? | 11:15 |
| ali1234 | when you get no command history it means termcap is broken | 11:15 |
| AlanBell | ubuntu to ubuntu works just fine for me | 11:15 |
| ali1234 | that can be a symptom of worse problems in user's environment | 11:16 |
| AlanBell | or termcap doesn't recognise your terminal type | 11:16 |
| MonsterKiller | haha, its like the default Ubuntu image for my vps too | 11:16 |
| MonsterKiller | >.< | 11:16 |
| ali1234 | more likely, if using a root server, you didn't add the users correctly | 11:16 |
| ali1234 | eg forgot to make a home directory | 11:16 |
| AlanBell | MonsterKiller: so you ssh as a user, then sudo -i to get to root and it works? | 11:16 |
| AlanBell | or did you enable remote root ssh logins and root password? | 11:17 |
| ali1234 | VPS servers are usually issued with root account enabled | 11:17 |
| MonsterKiller | AlanBell, root user is enabled by default since its a rented VPS | 11:17 |
| ali1234 | so how did you add users? | 11:17 |
| MonsterKiller | useradd -d /home/user -m user | 11:17 |
| ali1234 | the documentation says to use adduser | 11:18 |
| ali1234 | now, sometimes useradd and adduser are the same binary | 11:19 |
| ali1234 | on other distros they are not | 11:19 |
| ali1234 | i forget which one ubuntu is | 11:19 |
| ali1234 | ok, ubuntu they are different | 11:19 |
| MonsterKiller | :| | 11:20 |
| ali1234 | so is suspect useradd does not set up environment properly | 11:20 |
| oimon | are there any lenders who don't charge a setup fee for a mortgage? | 11:21 |
| oimon | seems to be a recent con | 11:21 |
| MonsterKiller | ali1234, yeah using adduser seems to work | 11:23 |
| MonsterKiller | \o/ | 11:23 |
| MonsterKiller | ty | 11:23 |
| diplo | AlanBell / theopensourcerer : Either of you about ? | 11:37 |
| theopensourcerer | yep | 11:37 |
| diplo | I just wanted to see how you support openerp, my company have created our own erp system and looking at support atm for customer sites | 11:38 |
| diplo | Wondering how you connect to customers to view if they have an issue | 11:38 |
| diplo | Do you have vpn connections to all customer siteS? | 11:38 |
| theopensourcerer | Depends on the customer. | 11:38 |
| theopensourcerer | Most yes. They give us the keys and create VPN connections | 11:39 |
| theopensourcerer | Some just ssh | 11:39 |
| theopensourcerer | Some we host ;-) | 11:39 |
| diplo | So if it's a issue when using the browser and don't have vpn access do you have a work around ? | 11:39 |
| theopensourcerer | you can tunnel the web over ssh | 11:40 |
| diplo | We've been discussing it, and one of the suggestions is some remote desktop on the server as an option | 11:40 |
| diplo | That's also a good idea.. | 11:40 |
| theopensourcerer | ssh -L 8088:localhost:8088 mycustomer.com | 11:40 |
| diplo | ooh will try that thanks | 11:42 |
| theopensourcerer | It works fine :-) | 11:42 |
| theopensourcerer | You can even chain ssh tunnels. When you need to be connecting from a host with a specific IP. | 11:43 |
| davmor2 | MonsterKiller: http://linuxers.org/article/differences-between-useradd-and-adduser-commands adduser imports the files from /etc/skel which will include things like shell type etc | 11:46 |
| MonsterKiller | ah okay | 11:47 |
| AlanBell | diplo: yeah port forwarding over ssh is fantastic | 11:49 |
| === oimon is now known as mungojerry | ||
| Gargoyle | Anone got any tips on compiling nginx with passenger support, but keeping it compatible with the default 12.10 package? | 12:18 |
| Gargoyle | Or should I uninstall the package, and go for complete manual install? | 12:19 |
| AlanBell | Gargoyle: dunno what passenger support is, but generally use the packaged versions, or don't | 12:26 |
| AlanBell | pain lies inbetween :) | 12:26 |
| Gargoyle | AlanBell: passenger is for running ruby on rails apps (eg. redmine) | 12:27 |
| AlanBell | redmine is cool | 12:27 |
| AlanBell | we are running it but not though nginx I think | 12:28 |
| Gargoyle | yeah, I was trying to avoid apache. Might just leave a second server running just apache+redmine | 12:29 |
| AlanBell | yes, we are using apache | 12:30 |
| Gargoyle | It's a shame nginx does not have runtime enabled modules. | 12:31 |
| Gargoyle | but I guess thats one of the small things that makes it a little bit faster! | 12:31 |
| AlanBell | would it really be faster for something it just hands off to redmine? | 12:32 |
| AlanBell | all it is doing is getting the request, deciding "nope, not for me" and passing back whatever redmine responds with | 12:32 |
| dogmatic69 | Gargoyle: there is a php port of redmine | 12:32 |
| dogmatic69 | https://github.com/yandod/candycane | 12:33 |
| Gargoyle | I meant as a general server. Nginx will be running other stuff | 12:33 |
| Gargoyle | dogmatic69: Oooh! | 12:33 |
| dogmatic69 | as far as I know its a 1:1 copy | 12:33 |
| Gargoyle | ta | 12:33 |
| dogmatic69 | The guy that wrote it is from Jp, but I am sure there is eng translations for it. | 12:34 |
| mungojerry | upgrading to owncloud 4.5.1 , maybe i can delete my dropbox client :D | 12:49 |
| dogmatic69 | anyone that has used minicom before, is it possible to use entirely via command line? eg: without using the terminal UI thingy | 13:15 |
| dogmatic69 | or, another app that can send serial from terminal | 13:16 |
| mungojerry | yes | 13:16 |
| mungojerry | minicom -S /dev/tty1 from memory | 13:16 |
| dogmatic69 | man says " -S script. Run the named script at startup. " | 13:17 |
| mungojerry | meh, something like that | 13:17 |
| dogmatic69 | I have been reading the man pages and blogs for weeks :( | 13:17 |
| mungojerry | you want to read serial console on your machien? | 13:18 |
| mungojerry | minicom -s | 13:18 |
| mungojerry | then go to serial port setup | 13:19 |
| dogmatic69 | well instead of opening the app and selecting a file I would like to either -something /some/path/file.ext or somehow cat the contents of the file into it. | 13:19 |
| dogmatic69 | I am sending | 13:19 |
| dogmatic69 | its to a plotter. | 13:20 |
| mungojerry | oh, i never tried the other way. echo "hello" > /dev/ttyS0 ? | 13:21 |
| dogmatic69 | you cant control the speed, stop bits etc like that. | 13:21 |
| dogmatic69 | Ive tried, it does nothing. | 13:21 |
| mungojerry | 20G 19G 84M 100% /var/lib/ureadahead/debugfs | 13:56 |
| mungojerry | ^^ anyone know about this partition? | 13:56 |
| einonm | I'm not sure about ureadahead, but debugfs is used by the kernel for dynamic debug and the suchlike | 13:57 |
| mungojerry | mine is near 100% though? | 13:58 |
| einonm | I don;t have it mounted, a quick google seems to suggest this is a VM thing. | 13:58 |
| einonm | are you on a vm? | 13:58 |
| mungojerry | nope | 13:59 |
| mungojerry | its a 10.04 machine | 13:59 |
| einonm | do you have /sys/kernel/debug mounted too? | 13:59 |
| mungojerry | "According to the dev in this bug report (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...ad/+bug/499773), a left-over temporary mountpoint indicates that ureadahead crashed out, leaving the mountpoint in /etc/mtab. A quick scan of the source seems to confirm this, but maybe something was overlooked." | 14:00 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 499773 in mountall (Ubuntu) "Race with ureadahead can mean that /var/lib/ureadahead/debugfs appears in /etc/mtab" [Low,Triaged] | 14:00 |
| mungojerry | einonm, actually my / partition is full too | 14:01 |
| einonm | ok, not the debugfs I know - that's a virtual fs | 14:01 |
| mungojerry | i won't worry , but rather focus on the / partition | 14:02 |
| einonm | there's loads on google about it if you look for 'ureadahead debugfs'. Seems a common issue... | 14:03 |
| * popey is in a session about whoopsie/apport | 14:05 | |
| popey | https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1m-FNL1mrD0 | 14:05 |
| popey | watch along! | 14:05 |
| * Azelphur sees a popey | 14:06 | |
| popey | :) | 14:06 |
| einonm | I'm watching the one about 'improving communication outward' | 14:10 |
| einonm | I'm waiting to see if someone suggests proof reading M.Shuttleworth's blog posts as an idea | 14:10 |
| popey | i suggested that in a previous session | 14:10 |
| einonm | popey: :) How did that go down? | 14:11 |
| davmor2 | einonm: you see the guy behind popey with the gun.... | 14:12 |
| MartijnVdS | so that's where the black helicopters went | 14:12 |
| einonm | oh yes..no, wait...that's an axe...the other guy? | 14:12 |
| einonm | :p | 14:13 |
| davmor2 | popey: can you find out who keeps removing the uds videos from youtube? | 14:19 |
| popey | eh? | 14:21 |
| popey | removing from which account? | 14:21 |
| popey | http://www.youtube.com/user/ubuntudevelopers is the channel for thenm | 14:21 |
| popey | *them | 14:21 |
| davmor2 | popey: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXmPMPbXeA1gKZdcokgXF3w and now http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-14-04-Will-Come-to-Phones-TVs-and-Tablets-303165.shtml | 14:22 |
| popey | people shouldn't link to those | 14:22 |
| popey | the IS guys download them and then get the video guys to upload them to the ubuntudevelopers channel | 14:23 |
| davmor2 | popey: ah okay that explains why they are disappearing then | 14:27 |
| === d0od_ is now known as d0od | ||
| directhex | hm, i think my wife's 6970 might be dodgy | 15:05 |
| brobostigon | :( | 15:09 |
| directhex | swapped my 5850 in place, and games are no longer locking up the system | 15:12 |
| directhex | need to try & repro crashes with the 6970 in my pc | 15:12 |
| MartijnVdS | Nokia? | 15:13 |
| MartijnVdS | Blackberry? | 15:13 |
| directhex | radeon | 15:14 |
| MonsterKiller | can you use wget or something similar to get files from another ubuntu server via sftp? | 15:27 |
| BigRedS | no | 15:31 |
| BigRedS | you can use sftp or scp though | 15:31 |
| BigRedS | and, sometimes, rsync. But that's via rsync/ssh rather than sftp | 15:31 |
| BigRedS | depends on whether it really is just sftp access or an ssh account | 15:32 |
| MonsterKiller | either, i just wanted quick way to copy files from one server to another :p | 15:33 |
| davmor2 | MonsterKiller: scp | 15:33 |
| davmor2 | MonsterKiller: scp user@server:/path/to/file user@server:/path/to/drop/file or easier still login to the server you want to drop the file to and then just do scp user@server:/path/to/file . | 15:35 |
| MonsterKiller | can that copy entire folders? or does it need to be compressed first | 15:35 |
| davmor2 | MonsterKiller: scp -r iirc same rules as with cp | 15:36 |
| MonsterKiller | :) ty | 15:36 |
| BigRedS | davmor2: I think scp complains if both ends are remote | 15:44 |
| BigRedS | that might be rsync, thinking about it | 15:45 |
| davmor2 | BigRedS: that's why I gave both examples and and said logging into the receiving server as the easiest :) | 15:52 |
| BigRedS | yeah, it's always easiest to remove as many hosts as possible | 16:03 |
| diplo | Just done a video with kazam, whats the best app to edit it? | 16:43 |
| diplo | Openshot ? | 16:43 |
| popey | try them all and see :) | 16:44 |
| popey | pitivi / openshot / kdenlive... | 16:44 |
| brobostigon | blender, :) | 16:47 |
| Darael | cinelerra had a good rep at one point, but I don't think it's ever been in the repos. | 16:48 |
| diplo | I remember why I've never bothered before, I'll read some tutorials on openshot | 16:51 |
| diplo | I don't find any of them easy to use, never have. I guess i just suck :) | 16:51 |
| gord | kdenlive is particularly excellent | 16:55 |
| waveform | cinelerra is quite amazingly powerful, and there's a PPA for it, but expect the interface to be horribly ugly and for the learning curve to be more like a wall | 16:55 |
| gord | i found it easy to use and fairly powerful. and unlike the rest i tried, it actually worked | 16:56 |
| diplo | ok, all installing ready to play tomorrow | 16:56 |
| waveform | (having played with kdenlive and pitivi, cinelerra beat their pants off for features and capabilities but it was pretty hard work to figure it all out - pitivi was easiest) | 16:56 |
| gord | (why are we talking in giant paranthesis?) | 16:56 |
| MartijnVdS | {because these are hard to type} | 16:58 |
| waveform | [and these are soooo ugly] | 16:59 |
| MartijnVdS | <and these are for xml/html> | 16:59 |
| waveform | « and these are just weird » | 17:00 |
| MartijnVdS | they're not even valid UTF-8 | 17:00 |
| MartijnVdS | « I think you mean these? » | 17:01 |
| waveform | that's indeed what I meant, but mine appeared fine on my display (as did yours) so I'm now wondering where on earth the transcoding went wrong ;) | 17:01 |
| MartijnVdS | You sent Latin1, which I don't transcode to UTF-8 on my side | 17:02 |
| MartijnVdS | (but which your client does transcode, apparently) | 17:02 |
| popey | cinlerra is the emacs of video editors | 17:02 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: Does it contain a kitchen sink? | 17:02 |
| * MartijnVdS has been playing with Openshot a bit recently | 17:02 | |
| MartijnVdS | but it's made of explodium | 17:02 |
| waveform | MartijnVdS, very nearly - the list of plugins is stupendous (and includes awfully fancy things like motion compensation) | 17:02 |
| * Flashtek burps | 18:24 | |
| zleap | hey Flashtek | 18:25 |
| Flashtek | o/ | 18:25 |
| Flashtek | right, who was it that refered me to this camera ? | 18:26 |
| * zleap is innocent | 18:26 | |
| MartijnVdS | which camera/ | 18:32 |
| Flashtek | £35 one | 18:35 |
| Flashtek | amazon | 18:35 |
| MartijnVdS | ah | 18:35 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: ? | 18:35 |
| Azelphur | Has anyone ever tried unmounting / while the system is up and running fsck | 18:39 |
| Azelphur | like if I ran fsck once to pull it into the cache, unmounted, ran it and actually fsck'd the main drive... xD | 18:39 |
| MartijnVdS | won't work | 18:40 |
| MartijnVdS | you can't remount read-only if there's any open file | 18:41 |
| Azelphur | \o/ | 18:41 |
| Azelphur | what about some way to make the system do an unattended fsck on reboot? | 18:44 |
| Flashtek | AlanBell: ?? | 18:44 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: touch /forcefsck; reboot | 18:45 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: you can set FSCKFIX=1 in /etc/default/rcS as well | 18:45 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: except read only filesystem :( | 18:45 |
| MartijnVdS | if you want it 100% unattended | 18:45 |
| Azelphur | except...read only filesystem | 18:45 |
| Azelphur | lol | 18:45 |
| MartijnVdS | if the fs is already readonly, you should be able to fsck | 18:45 |
| Flashtek | Azelphur: mount / -o remount,ro ; fsck / ; mount / -o remount,rw | 18:46 |
| MartijnVdS | don't you have a serial/ipmi/vm console? | 18:46 |
| Azelphur | I only have SSH | 18:47 |
| MartijnVdS | reboot and use that to recover :) | 18:47 |
| Azelphur | it's a dedi | 18:47 |
| MartijnVdS | don't those come with serial consoles anymore? | 18:47 |
| MartijnVdS | or IPMI | 18:47 |
| Azelphur | not mine | 18:47 |
| ali1234 | "We don't rely on software fallback implementations of OpenGL. We literally have a specific software engine that is so fast that some developers spent weeks using it accidentally, not realizing they had software compositing on their setup." | 18:53 |
| ali1234 | rasterman++++++ | 18:53 |
| MartijnVdS | rasterman does capitals and interpunction now? | 18:53 |
| ali1234 | i think it was a spoken interview | 18:54 |
| === Azelphur_ is now known as Azelphur | ||
| AlanBell | hi Flashtek | 20:06 |
| zleap | Flashtek, | 20:10 |
| Flashtek | zleap: | 20:52 |
| Flashtek | AlanBell: camera is alive :) | 20:52 |
| AlanBell | woot | 20:52 |
| Flashtek | ya | 20:53 |
| AlanBell | I should publish my script and UI stuff | 20:53 |
| Flashtek | needs installing, and power to be supplied | 20:53 |
| Flashtek | and yeah, the scripts etc would be amazingly helpful | 20:53 |
| AlanBell | yeah, just need to do things like not hardcode IP address and admin password and I will pop it on launchpad :) | 20:54 |
| Flashtek | oke :) | 20:54 |
| Flashtek | anything I can do to help at all ? | 20:55 |
| zleap | sorry Flashtek i was in #dclug | 20:56 |
| AlanBell | Flashtek: what is the default camera IP address? | 20:58 |
| AlanBell | Flashtek: https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/+junk/camcontrol | 21:01 |
| Flashtek | 192.168.1. something | 21:08 |
| AlanBell | ok, I was going to set the default IP address in the code to the one it comes preset to | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | according to firmware the default ip is 192.168.1.1 | 21:16 |
| ali1234 | that may only apply if there's no nvram config | 21:18 |
| Flashtek | 239 port 81 | 22:01 |
| brobostigon | is it possible to manage an ejabberd server diectly via a jabber client, whose user is registered as the admin.? | 22:24 |
| mgdm | I think so | 22:25 |
| brobostigon | mgdm: how, because i can find references to it, but not explanation. | 22:26 |
| mgdm | Yeah, in Pidgin, if I go to my ejabberd's account in the Accounts menu, I have loads of options | 22:26 |
| brobostigon | mgdm: let me try that. | 22:27 |
| brobostigon | mgdm: wow, yes. interesting. those options are there. | 22:28 |
| brobostigon | mgdm: and loads more in the xmpp service descrovery. | 22:30 |
| mgdm | Oh, i don't know that thing | 22:30 |
| mgdm | where'd you get that? | 22:30 |
| mgdm | Oh, found it | 22:32 |
| brobostigon | :) | 22:33 |
| brobostigon | mgdm: i had only tried empathy and bitlbee, so didnt see any of those options. | 22:33 |
| mgdm | Ah | 22:34 |
| mgdm | it's years snce I used Empathy and I've never used bitlbee | 22:34 |
| brobostigon | bitlbee is just convenient, as i run it with screen and irssi on my vps. | 22:35 |
| brobostigon | also, i wonder why pidgin has those things, and not other xmpp clients. | 22:37 |
| ali1234 | empathy only does the bare minimum required for chatting | 22:40 |
| brobostigon | ok. | 22:40 |
| Darael | brobostigon: Psi and Psi+ can certainly do ejabberd's management things, if that helps at all. | 22:47 |
| brobostigon | Darael: yes, thank you. | 22:47 |
| brobostigon | i was just trying to find something for android. | 22:48 |
| brobostigon | also* | 22:48 |
| Darael | Personally I stopped using everything but xmpp and IRC, so I use an issi-in-screen (with the xmpp module) and psi+ as a desktop client. Haven't really looked into android clients yet. | 22:48 |
| Darael | Well, actually I use an irssi-in-tmux now. | 22:49 |
| brobostigon | ok. | 22:49 |
| brobostigon | pidgin for android would be interesting. i do remember pidgin was ported to maemo. for the above purpose. | 23:13 |
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