=== TheOpenSourcerer is now known as theopensourcerer [08:10] Morning all [08:17] Good Morning! [08:35] aloha [08:35] morning czajkowski! [08:35] christel: danish likes to draw lines in their Os [08:35] very odd trying toread it [08:40] hehe [08:40] have you found time to do some SHOPPING yet? [08:40] i love shopping in denmark [08:53] morning all [08:53] morning [08:55] morning AlarmBell, MooDoo :) [09:01] Gosh, just getting up everyone? [09:21] christel: narp [09:21] dealing with the ikea soft beds! [09:22] auchies === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:22] very much so [09:29] * christel hugs czz [09:36] woow, after the initial nvidia mess, i'm honestly quite happy with my 12.10 experience [09:37] think my beefy laptop is pretty well suited to handle any UI load. [09:38] Though i'm not really feeling the pain of any lens search stuff, one thing, alt key is triggering run commands all the time. [09:38] and i use alt alot for other thing. [09:38] s [09:38] just listened to the audio of the shopping lens discussion yesterday [09:40] AlanBell: anything interesting? [09:41] well I am trying not to care about it [09:41] just think the implementation of the privacy setting is so terrible [09:42] Yup :) You can have ALL OF THE THINGS or NONE OF THE THINGS!!!!! [09:42] it is massively worse than any perceived problem with the lens itself [09:43] well you can turn off all the lenses shipped by default in an undocumented way [09:43] but it has zero effect on any lens written to the API [09:47] does anyone else have problems with chrome going crazy and taking over the whole system ? it's taken me 20 mins of ctrl-alt-f1, iotop and top and pkill to get a working desktop [09:51] oimon: it was on fedora, but previously ive had chromium and chrome just get stuck in full screen [09:51] i stopped using chrome, eats too much cpu [09:52] firefox eats RAM, can't win [09:52] i use chromium now [09:52] i keep thinking my DE is buggy but i think it's the browsers are getting more bloaty [09:52] popey: i can't free myself from their inspector ;) too useful for dev work [09:52] I use chromium and firefox (firebug ftw) [09:52] is chromium updated again now? was higly insecure before [09:52] NET||abuse: what bit of inspector do you like over firebug? [09:53] AlanBell: i don't know if there's anything firebug does that i can't do just as wel or better in inspector [09:53] Version 20.0.1132.47 Ubuntu 12.04 (144678) [09:53] thats what i am on [09:53] AlanBell: well for js debugging i just fine inspector is much nicer, context on console.log's allowing me to traverse objects so easily [09:54] interesting, I use it a bit [09:55] I find firebug easier for some reason, especially poking at CSS, but I suspect it is not anything particularly rational [09:55] I probably just like the colours better :) [09:55] AlanBell: yeh, there was that when i made the switch over from firebug [09:55] found chrome inspector a bit confusing. [09:55] now it's the reverse [09:55] just tried logging a date in firebug and inspector. the difference is presentation really [09:56] Chrome shows me the actual value of a date object, [09:56] too much red in chromium inspector :) [09:56] firebug shows me the same date info but links it to an empty object. [09:56] chromium on ubuntu was at v18 for ages, with some security vulnerabilities [09:57] i find firefox muuuuch slower though [09:57] chrome stable is at v22, haven't checked the bugs since v20 though [09:57] chromium i experienced the same system shag FWIW [09:57] NET||abuse: I can't find a box model layout thing in inspector [09:58] hmm? box model layout? [09:58] select a div and visually set size, padding, border, margin [09:58] oh the visual box showing measurements? [09:58] yeah, layout tab in firebug [09:59] Is anybody using xchat 2.8.8 (not gnome-xchat), do you get a userlist on the right of the screen [10:00] DJones, yes [10:00] Strange, I haven't gone one and can't find a way to switch it on [10:00] settings-> prefs-> user list-> show at right , upper [10:02] Yep thats set, just changed to right lower to see if that makes a difference [10:02] view->user list [10:02] Also ticked [10:04] Still nothing, 2 different networks [10:05] Ah, got one now [10:05] But only if set to appear on the left [10:07] oimon: Can you get the list to appear on the right hand side? Upper right/left? [10:09] yes [10:09] i can switch sides [10:09] Very odd, ah well, not a problem, left will do for me, if anything thats better because it takes up less space [10:10] Thanks for checking and the suggestion [10:11] DJones, move to right, and hover, looking for a resize arrow [10:11] it's possible to resize down to nothing [10:11] look for the = symbol on the right [10:12] Thanks, that found it [10:13] \o/ [10:13] theopensourcerer: Had many candidates for the job ? [10:13] 5 and a 1/2 so far I think. [10:13] any one in here from BT, if so whats the problems in the area 01491? or sould someone in this area advise if they have ADSL problems ? [10:13] theopensourcerer, link? [10:14] oimon: http://www.libertus.co.uk/about-us/jobs/7-free-software-engineer [10:14] and a half? :) [10:14] lol [10:14] is that where they beg you to pay them only half? :P [10:14] Yes - someone who *might* be interested. Wants to come and have a chat with us first. That's fine. he's an interesting candidate for a number of reasons. [10:15] posted to linux jobs list too? [10:15] :) [10:15] yes [10:15] oimon: link? [10:15] I did already theopensourcerer [10:15] OK AlanBell [10:15] AlanBell spammed all the things ;) [10:16] hmm, I thought I did :) [10:16] morning [10:16] any munin users around? [10:17] soy [10:17] I mean, yes [10:17] I'd be totally interested if I was closer, and maybe a few more pennies :) [10:17] I went spanish for a second there [10:18] I've hit a wall trying to get munun running on 12.10 + nginx [10:18] righto [10:18] salary is a guidance to set expectations, if someone thinks they are worth more (or less) they are welcome to try and convince us of that :) [10:18] ah, nginx... hmm [10:18] Does nginx use php?? I don't know [10:18] Seems to be generating the html OK. But I can't seem to get graph links to work. [10:18] I mean munin [10:18] does munin use php? [10:19] theopensourcerer: I subscribed to the linuxjobs list to post it, but it doesn't appear to have reached the list archives [10:19] nope. It's all pearl based I think [10:19] hurm [10:19] I must confess I've never done it [10:20] i posted to the linuxjobs list for a job before, and the applications i received from those guys were somewhat...interesting [10:20] http://munin-monitoring.org/wiki/CgiHowto2 <- have you followed this? [10:20] SuperMatt: Yeah. I just get Bad Gateway [10:20] http://munin.readthedocs.org/en/latest/example/webserver/nginx.html or this? [10:21] hurm, I don't know really [10:22] SuperMatt: Woo hoo! [10:22] It's not something I can spend any time on today trying to figure out [10:22] oh [10:22] something worked [10:22] * Gargoyle gives SuperMatt a gold star! [10:22] ta [10:23] 1 line not in all the other docs I found that explicity says permissions are fubar on Ubuntu! [10:24] :> [10:25] GAH! [10:25] I'm about 2 seconds away from removing whoopsie and throwing it in the bin! [10:26] wassup? [10:26] Is whoopsie that thing that keeps tracks of applications crashing? [10:26] its the thing that uploads crashdumps to launchpad [10:26] popey: It tell's me an error has occured, I tell it to go away, so it pops up and tells me an error has occured. Repeat about 15 times [10:26] I KNOW YOU TOLD ME NOW GO AWAY AND DIE! [10:26] what do you have in /var/crash/* ? [10:27] there is an open bug that it doesn't respect the "i told you this already" button [10:27] 2 .crashes and 3 .uploads [10:27] for what apps? [10:27] inkscape and xorg [10:27] sometimes it fails to upload so will ask you again later [10:27] when are they dated? [10:28] Xorg is yesterday, rest is the last 10 minutes [10:28] rm them all [10:29] gone [10:30] whoopsie is the "welcome to Ubuntu screen" on first install a bit too often [10:30] whereas in previous releases we never knew when stuff crashed [10:30] at least now we can fix it [10:30] FFS! GO AWAY AND DIE [10:31] stupid whoopsie [10:31] It's now going [10:31] yeah, it serves a purpose [10:31] ah well. [10:32] would be nice to have a "just silently get on with it" option [10:32] especially for things that the user neither knows or cares crashed [10:32] like unity-video-lens or whatever [10:33] or atleast rate-limit the interaction so it doesn't "no, go away" doesn't become a muscle-memory response [10:33] yeah I've been getting a lot of whoopsies recently :( [10:33] diplo, there's a lot going round. my kids had that too :) [10:34] diplo: for things that you know crashed, or just randomly popping up and telling you something crashed that you didn't know about? [10:34] hooray, whoopsie is no more [10:34] Bit of both AlanBell [10:34] stupid poxy thing keep interrupting me [10:35] and oimon :D [10:35] GAH! Is there more than one package that controls whoopsie? [10:35] Damn thing is still going even though I uninstalled it [10:36] the dialog is apport-gtk [10:36] Gone. Hopefully now it'll leave me in peace [10:37] I've switched everything I can find to do with the update manager off but it still pops up every time I boot my machine [10:38] never seen whoopsie do anything, though [10:38] I always change /etc/default/apport to enabled=0 and I never get the silly crash messages [10:41] webapps extension in chromium is still crashing [10:41] after a reinstall [10:41] :-| the biggest dissappointment was how Ubiquity or luks failed with what I wanted to do with my partitions [10:43] tried to create encrypted swap, / and /home partitions, swap and / worked fine but /home couldn't mount on boot because the password was wrong - then again when I ran the live session and mounted /home there, the password was valid [10:51] Anybody interested in free crossover office? http://www.codeweavers.com/about/general/press/20121029/ Being given away today [10:54] SuperMatt, :( [10:55] DJones: Hmm I got similar a few years ago [10:55] DJones, playonlinux is giving me office 2010 quite nicely [10:55] popey: ? [10:55] mgdm: Yeah I got that probably around the same time, similar offer, installed it, but then never ended up using it [10:55] * AlanBell reenables /etc/default/apport [10:56] SuperMatt: the idea is that they collate the crash reports and stop the crashers [10:56] if everyone did that we'd never get anything fixed [10:56] if everyone turns it off like I did then they get no reports [10:57] oh all right [10:57] but I kind of wanted to use my desktop without having popups all the time about obscure background services crashing [10:57] the bugs on errors.ubuntu.com are highly surfaced as things we want to fix in our to-do lists [10:57] figure it is time to turn it back on again now [10:58] Now, do I set the coffee machine up in the kitchen, or be lazy and set it up in the office to save walking downstairs to get drinks [10:58] and there's my first error [10:58] Setting up in the ofice seens a good idea [10:59] SuperMatt, what do you have in /var/crash and how old are the reports? [10:59] i.e. you could rm everything in /var/crash (via sudo) and have a "clean start" [11:00] also SuperMatt what version of ubuntu are you running and do you have a stock ubuntu desktop with all necessary packages installed (sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^) [11:00] ooh, I only have gwibber crashes [11:00] and I've actually removed gwibber [11:01] and gwibber-service removed? [11:01] I'm running quantal with pretty much everything, except gwibber and gwibber service [11:01] I don't think I've removed anything else [11:01] i forgot gwibber existed [11:02] yup, only gwibber is gone [11:02] twitter is OK for phones but i never use it on PC [11:02] because I don't need it with webapps [11:03] whoopsie/apport always crashes for me [11:03] popey: are there any official slides/documentation for people that want to do Ubuntu training sessions at work/in the community? [11:04] either that or it spends 20 minutes uploading and then says the bug is not valid [11:04] of course both of these cases are things that don't show up in any error tracking [11:05] many of the crashes it does detect is stuff that crashes on shutdown for no reason [11:05] like firefox [11:07] SuperMatt, not that I'm aware of [11:08] dang [11:09] figured that'd be a nice thing to have [11:09] sure, we did have some which was made a while back [11:10] good training material isn't cheap to make [11:10] no, I imagine it's not [11:10] might be worth a team coming together to develop something and try to stay on top if it [11:11] a community team, that is [11:11] Morning all [11:12] yup, i agree [11:12] its a lot of work [11:13] have I volunteered myself? [11:13] SuperMatt: there might be some stuff on spreadubuntu [11:13] ta [11:13] it is mostly just posters and marketing, but there might be something to use [11:13] when i ssh my ubuntu server with a user that isnt "root" and try to scroll back previous commands, it just does "^[[A" but if im logged in as root it actually scroll the previous commands. what could that be? [11:14] SuperMatt: a moodle course would be good [11:14] MonsterKiller: sounds like the up cursor keymapping is wrong [11:14] it works fine if im logged on as the root user [11:14] :/ [11:14] what are you using as your ssh client? [11:14] putty [11:15] on windows? [11:15] yeah [11:15] try using ubuntu :) [11:15] that won't help [11:15] mostly to see if it works from a terminal [11:15] termcap stuff? [11:15] when you get no command history it means termcap is broken [11:15] ubuntu to ubuntu works just fine for me [11:16] that can be a symptom of worse problems in user's environment [11:16] or termcap doesn't recognise your terminal type [11:16] haha, its like the default Ubuntu image for my vps too [11:16] >.< [11:16] more likely, if using a root server, you didn't add the users correctly [11:16] eg forgot to make a home directory [11:16] MonsterKiller: so you ssh as a user, then sudo -i to get to root and it works? [11:17] or did you enable remote root ssh logins and root password? [11:17] VPS servers are usually issued with root account enabled [11:17] AlanBell, root user is enabled by default since its a rented VPS [11:17] so how did you add users? [11:17] useradd -d /home/user -m user [11:18] the documentation says to use adduser [11:19] now, sometimes useradd and adduser are the same binary [11:19] on other distros they are not [11:19] i forget which one ubuntu is [11:19] ok, ubuntu they are different [11:20] :| [11:20] so is suspect useradd does not set up environment properly [11:21] are there any lenders who don't charge a setup fee for a mortgage? [11:21] seems to be a recent con [11:23] ali1234, yeah using adduser seems to work [11:23] \o/ [11:23] ty [11:37] AlanBell / theopensourcerer : Either of you about ? [11:37] yep [11:38] I just wanted to see how you support openerp, my company have created our own erp system and looking at support atm for customer sites [11:38] Wondering how you connect to customers to view if they have an issue [11:38] Do you have vpn connections to all customer siteS? [11:38] Depends on the customer. [11:39] Most yes. They give us the keys and create VPN connections [11:39] Some just ssh [11:39] Some we host ;-) [11:39] So if it's a issue when using the browser and don't have vpn access do you have a work around ? [11:40] you can tunnel the web over ssh [11:40] We've been discussing it, and one of the suggestions is some remote desktop on the server as an option [11:40] That's also a good idea.. [11:40] ssh -L 8088:localhost:8088 mycustomer.com [11:42] ooh will try that thanks [11:42] It works fine :-) [11:43] You can even chain ssh tunnels. When you need to be connecting from a host with a specific IP. [11:46] MonsterKiller: http://linuxers.org/article/differences-between-useradd-and-adduser-commands adduser imports the files from /etc/skel which will include things like shell type etc [11:47] ah okay [11:49] diplo: yeah port forwarding over ssh is fantastic === oimon is now known as mungojerry [12:18] Anone got any tips on compiling nginx with passenger support, but keeping it compatible with the default 12.10 package? [12:19] Or should I uninstall the package, and go for complete manual install? [12:26] Gargoyle: dunno what passenger support is, but generally use the packaged versions, or don't [12:26] pain lies inbetween :) [12:27] AlanBell: passenger is for running ruby on rails apps (eg. redmine) [12:27] redmine is cool [12:28] we are running it but not though nginx I think [12:29] yeah, I was trying to avoid apache. Might just leave a second server running just apache+redmine [12:30] yes, we are using apache [12:31] It's a shame nginx does not have runtime enabled modules. [12:31] but I guess thats one of the small things that makes it a little bit faster! [12:32] would it really be faster for something it just hands off to redmine? [12:32] all it is doing is getting the request, deciding "nope, not for me" and passing back whatever redmine responds with [12:32] Gargoyle: there is a php port of redmine [12:33] https://github.com/yandod/candycane [12:33] I meant as a general server. Nginx will be running other stuff [12:33] dogmatic69: Oooh! [12:33] as far as I know its a 1:1 copy [12:33] ta [12:34] The guy that wrote it is from Jp, but I am sure there is eng translations for it. [12:49] upgrading to owncloud 4.5.1 , maybe i can delete my dropbox client :D [13:15] anyone that has used minicom before, is it possible to use entirely via command line? eg: without using the terminal UI thingy [13:16] or, another app that can send serial from terminal [13:16] yes [13:16] minicom -S /dev/tty1 from memory [13:17] man says " -S script. Run the named script at startup. " [13:17] meh, something like that [13:17] I have been reading the man pages and blogs for weeks :( [13:18] you want to read serial console on your machien? [13:18] minicom -s [13:19] then go to serial port setup [13:19] well instead of opening the app and selecting a file I would like to either -something /some/path/file.ext or somehow cat the contents of the file into it. [13:19] I am sending [13:20] its to a plotter. [13:21] oh, i never tried the other way. echo "hello" > /dev/ttyS0 ? [13:21] you cant control the speed, stop bits etc like that. [13:21] Ive tried, it does nothing. [13:56] 20G 19G 84M 100% /var/lib/ureadahead/debugfs [13:56] ^^ anyone know about this partition? [13:57] I'm not sure about ureadahead, but debugfs is used by the kernel for dynamic debug and the suchlike [13:58] mine is near 100% though? [13:58] I don;t have it mounted, a quick google seems to suggest this is a VM thing. [13:58] are you on a vm? [13:59] nope [13:59] its a 10.04 machine [13:59] do you have /sys/kernel/debug mounted too? [14:00] "According to the dev in this bug report (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...ad/+bug/499773), a left-over temporary mountpoint indicates that ureadahead crashed out, leaving the mountpoint in /etc/mtab. A quick scan of the source seems to confirm this, but maybe something was overlooked." [14:00] Launchpad bug 499773 in mountall (Ubuntu) "Race with ureadahead can mean that /var/lib/ureadahead/debugfs appears in /etc/mtab" [Low,Triaged] [14:01] einonm, actually my / partition is full too [14:01] ok, not the debugfs I know - that's a virtual fs [14:02] i won't worry , but rather focus on the / partition [14:03] there's loads on google about it if you look for 'ureadahead debugfs'. Seems a common issue... [14:05] * popey is in a session about whoopsie/apport [14:05] https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1m-FNL1mrD0 [14:05] watch along! [14:06] * Azelphur sees a popey [14:06] :) [14:10] I'm watching the one about 'improving communication outward' [14:10] I'm waiting to see if someone suggests proof reading M.Shuttleworth's blog posts as an idea [14:10] i suggested that in a previous session [14:11] popey: :) How did that go down? [14:12] einonm: you see the guy behind popey with the gun.... [14:12] so that's where the black helicopters went [14:12] oh yes..no, wait...that's an axe...the other guy? [14:13] :p [14:19] popey: can you find out who keeps removing the uds videos from youtube? [14:21] eh? [14:21] removing from which account? [14:21] http://www.youtube.com/user/ubuntudevelopers is the channel for thenm [14:21] *them [14:22] popey: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXmPMPbXeA1gKZdcokgXF3w and now http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-14-04-Will-Come-to-Phones-TVs-and-Tablets-303165.shtml [14:22] people shouldn't link to those [14:23] the IS guys download them and then get the video guys to upload them to the ubuntudevelopers channel [14:27] popey: ah okay that explains why they are disappearing then === d0od_ is now known as d0od [15:05] hm, i think my wife's 6970 might be dodgy [15:09] :( [15:12] swapped my 5850 in place, and games are no longer locking up the system [15:12] need to try & repro crashes with the 6970 in my pc [15:13] Nokia? [15:13] Blackberry? [15:14] radeon [15:27] can you use wget or something similar to get files from another ubuntu server via sftp? [15:31] no [15:31] you can use sftp or scp though [15:31] and, sometimes, rsync. But that's via rsync/ssh rather than sftp [15:32] depends on whether it really is just sftp access or an ssh account [15:33] either, i just wanted quick way to copy files from one server to another :p [15:33] MonsterKiller: scp [15:35] MonsterKiller: scp user@server:/path/to/file user@server:/path/to/drop/file or easier still login to the server you want to drop the file to and then just do scp user@server:/path/to/file . [15:35] can that copy entire folders? or does it need to be compressed first [15:36] MonsterKiller: scp -r iirc same rules as with cp [15:36] :) ty [15:44] davmor2: I think scp complains if both ends are remote [15:45] that might be rsync, thinking about it [15:52] BigRedS: that's why I gave both examples and and said logging into the receiving server as the easiest :) [16:03] yeah, it's always easiest to remove as many hosts as possible [16:43] Just done a video with kazam, whats the best app to edit it? [16:43] Openshot ? [16:44] try them all and see :) [16:44] pitivi / openshot / kdenlive... [16:47] blender, :) [16:48] cinelerra had a good rep at one point, but I don't think it's ever been in the repos. [16:51] I remember why I've never bothered before, I'll read some tutorials on openshot [16:51] I don't find any of them easy to use, never have. I guess i just suck :) [16:55] kdenlive is particularly excellent [16:55] cinelerra is quite amazingly powerful, and there's a PPA for it, but expect the interface to be horribly ugly and for the learning curve to be more like a wall [16:56] i found it easy to use and fairly powerful. and unlike the rest i tried, it actually worked [16:56] ok, all installing ready to play tomorrow [16:56] (having played with kdenlive and pitivi, cinelerra beat their pants off for features and capabilities but it was pretty hard work to figure it all out - pitivi was easiest) [16:56] (why are we talking in giant paranthesis?) [16:58] {because these are hard to type} [16:59] [and these are soooo ugly] [16:59] [17:00] « and these are just weird » [17:00] they're not even valid UTF-8 [17:01] « I think you mean these? » [17:01]