[08:10] <diplo> Morning all
[08:17] <BigRedS> Good Morning!
[08:35] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:35] <christel> morning czajkowski!
[08:35] <czajkowski> christel: danish likes to draw lines in their Os
[08:35] <czajkowski> very odd trying toread it
[08:40] <christel> hehe
[08:40] <christel> have you found time to do some SHOPPING yet?
[08:40] <christel> i love shopping in denmark
[08:53] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:53] <MooDoo> morning
[08:55] <christel> morning AlarmBell, MooDoo :)
[09:01] <theopensourcerer> Gosh, just getting up everyone?
[09:21] <czajkowski> christel: narp
[09:21] <czajkowski> dealing with the ikea soft beds!
[09:22] <christel> auchies
[09:22] <czajkowski> very much so
[09:29]  * christel hugs czz
[09:36] <NET||abuse> woow, after the initial nvidia mess, i'm honestly quite happy with my 12.10 experience
[09:37] <NET||abuse> think my beefy laptop is pretty well suited to handle any UI load.
[09:38] <NET||abuse> Though i'm not really feeling the pain of any lens search stuff, one thing, alt key is triggering run commands all the time.
[09:38] <NET||abuse> and i use alt alot for other thing.
[09:38] <NET||abuse> s
[09:38] <AlanBell> just listened to the audio of the shopping lens discussion yesterday
[09:40] <daubers> AlanBell: anything interesting?
[09:41] <AlanBell> well I am trying not to care about it
[09:41] <AlanBell> just think the implementation of the privacy setting is so terrible
[09:42] <daubers> Yup :) You can have ALL OF THE THINGS or NONE OF THE THINGS!!!!!
[09:42] <AlanBell> it is massively worse than any perceived problem with the lens itself
[09:43] <AlanBell> well you can turn off all the lenses shipped by default in an undocumented way
[09:43] <AlanBell> but it has zero effect on any lens written to the API
[09:47] <oimon> does anyone else have problems with chrome going crazy and taking over the whole system ? it's taken me 20 mins of ctrl-alt-f1, iotop and top and pkill to get a working desktop
[09:51] <NET||abuse> oimon: it was on fedora, but previously ive had chromium and chrome just get stuck in full screen
[09:51] <popey> i stopped using chrome, eats too much cpu
[09:52] <oimon> firefox eats RAM, can't win
[09:52] <popey> i use chromium now
[09:52] <oimon> i keep thinking my DE is buggy but i think it's the browsers are getting more bloaty
[09:52] <NET||abuse> popey: i can't free myself from their inspector ;) too useful for dev work
[09:52] <AlanBell> I use chromium and firefox (firebug ftw)
[09:52] <oimon> is chromium updated again now? was higly insecure before
[09:52] <AlanBell> NET||abuse: what bit of inspector do you like over firebug?
[09:53] <NET||abuse> AlanBell: i don't know if there's anything firebug does that i can't do just as wel or better in inspector
[09:53] <popey> Version 20.0.1132.47 Ubuntu 12.04 (144678)
[09:53] <popey> thats what i am on
[09:53] <NET||abuse> AlanBell: well for js debugging i just fine inspector is much nicer, context on console.log's allowing me to traverse objects so easily
[09:54] <AlanBell> interesting, I use it a bit
[09:55] <AlanBell> I find firebug easier for some reason, especially poking at CSS, but I suspect it is not anything particularly rational
[09:55] <AlanBell> I probably just like the colours better :)
[09:55] <NET||abuse> AlanBell: yeh, there was that when i made the switch over from firebug
[09:55] <NET||abuse> found chrome inspector a bit confusing.
[09:55] <NET||abuse> now it's the reverse
[09:55] <NET||abuse> just tried logging a date in firebug and inspector. the difference is presentation really
[09:56] <NET||abuse> Chrome shows me the actual value of a date object,
[09:56] <AlanBell> too much red in chromium inspector :)
[09:56] <NET||abuse> firebug shows me the same date info but links it to an empty object.
[09:56] <oimon> chromium on ubuntu was at v18 for ages, with some security vulnerabilities
[09:57] <NET||abuse> i find firefox muuuuch slower though
[09:57] <oimon> chrome stable is at v22, haven't checked the bugs since v20 though
[09:57] <oimon> chromium i experienced the same system shag FWIW
[09:57] <AlanBell> NET||abuse: I can't find a box model layout thing in inspector
[09:58] <NET||abuse> hmm? box model layout?
[09:58] <AlanBell> select a div and visually set size, padding, border, margin
[09:58] <NET||abuse> oh the visual box showing measurements?
[09:58] <AlanBell> yeah, layout tab in firebug
[09:59] <DJones> Is anybody using xchat 2.8.8 (not gnome-xchat), do you get a userlist on the right of the screen
[10:00] <oimon> DJones, yes
[10:00] <DJones> Strange, I haven't gone one and can't find a way to switch it on
[10:00] <oimon> settings-> prefs-> user list-> show at right , upper
[10:02] <DJones> Yep thats set, just changed to right lower to see if that makes a difference
[10:02] <oimon> view->user list
[10:02] <DJones> Also ticked
[10:04] <DJones> Still nothing, 2 different networks
[10:05] <DJones> Ah, got one now
[10:05] <DJones> But only if set to appear on the left
[10:07] <DJones> oimon: Can you get the list to appear on the right hand side? Upper right/left?
[10:09] <oimon> yes
[10:09] <oimon> i can switch sides
[10:09] <DJones> Very odd, ah well, not a problem, left will do for me, if anything thats better because it takes up less space
[10:10] <DJones> Thanks for checking and the suggestion
[10:11] <oimon> DJones, move to right, and hover, looking for a resize arrow
[10:11] <oimon> it's possible to resize down to nothing
[10:11] <oimon> look for the = symbol on the right
[10:12] <DJones> Thanks, that found it
[10:13] <oimon> \o/
[10:13] <diplo> theopensourcerer: Had many candidates for the job ?
[10:13] <theopensourcerer> 5 and a 1/2 so far I think.
[10:13] <Neoti_Desktop> any one in here from BT, if so whats the problems in the area 01491? or sould someone in this area advise if they have ADSL problems ?
[10:13] <oimon> theopensourcerer, link?
[10:14] <theopensourcerer> oimon: http://www.libertus.co.uk/about-us/jobs/7-free-software-engineer
[10:14] <christel> and a half? :)
[10:14] <theopensourcerer> lol
[10:14] <christel> is that where they beg you to pay them only half? :P
[10:14] <theopensourcerer> Yes - someone who *might* be interested. Wants to come and have a chat with us first. That's fine. he's an interesting candidate for a number of reasons.
[10:15] <oimon> posted to linux jobs list too?
[10:15] <christel> :)
[10:15] <AlanBell> yes
[10:15] <theopensourcerer> oimon: link?
[10:15] <AlanBell> I did already theopensourcerer
[10:15] <theopensourcerer> OK AlanBell
[10:15] <christel> AlanBell spammed all the things ;)
[10:16] <AlanBell> hmm, I thought I did :)
[10:16] <Gargoyle> morning
[10:16] <Gargoyle> any munin users around?
[10:17] <SuperMatt> soy
[10:17] <SuperMatt> I mean, yes
[10:17] <diplo> I'd be totally interested if I was closer, and maybe a few more pennies :)
[10:17] <SuperMatt> I went spanish for a second there
[10:18] <Gargoyle> I've hit a wall trying to get munun running on 12.10 + nginx
[10:18] <SuperMatt> righto
[10:18] <AlanBell> salary is a guidance to set expectations, if someone thinks they are worth more (or less) they are welcome to try and convince us of that :)
[10:18] <SuperMatt> ah, nginx... hmm
[10:18] <SuperMatt> Does nginx use php?? I don't know
[10:18] <Gargoyle> Seems to be generating the html OK. But I can't seem to get graph links to work.
[10:18] <SuperMatt> I mean munin
[10:18] <SuperMatt> does munin use php?
[10:19] <AlanBell> theopensourcerer: I subscribed to the linuxjobs list to post it, but it doesn't appear to have reached the list archives
[10:19] <Gargoyle> nope. It's all pearl based I think
[10:19] <SuperMatt> hurm
[10:19] <SuperMatt> I must confess I've never done it
[10:20] <oimon> i posted to the linuxjobs list for a job before, and the applications i received from those guys were somewhat...interesting
[10:20] <SuperMatt> http://munin-monitoring.org/wiki/CgiHowto2 <- have you followed this?
[10:20] <Gargoyle> SuperMatt: Yeah. I just get Bad Gateway
[10:20] <SuperMatt> http://munin.readthedocs.org/en/latest/example/webserver/nginx.html or this?
[10:21] <SuperMatt> hurm, I don't know really
[10:22] <Gargoyle> SuperMatt: Woo hoo!
[10:22] <SuperMatt> It's not something I can spend any time on today trying to figure out
[10:22] <SuperMatt> oh
[10:22] <SuperMatt> something worked
[10:22]  * Gargoyle gives SuperMatt a gold star!
[10:22] <SuperMatt> ta
[10:23] <Gargoyle> 1 line not in all the other docs I found that explicity says permissions are fubar on Ubuntu!
[10:24] <SuperMatt> :>
[10:25] <daubers> GAH!
[10:25] <daubers> I'm about 2 seconds away from removing whoopsie and throwing it in the bin!
[10:26] <popey> wassup?
[10:26] <SuperMatt> Is whoopsie that thing that keeps tracks of applications crashing?
[10:26] <popey> its the thing that uploads crashdumps to launchpad
[10:26] <daubers> popey: It tell's me an error has occured, I tell it to go away, so it pops up and tells me an error has occured. Repeat about 15 times
[10:26] <daubers> I KNOW YOU TOLD ME NOW GO AWAY AND DIE!
[10:26] <popey> what do you have in /var/crash/* ?
[10:27] <popey> there is an open bug that it doesn't respect the "i told you this already" button
[10:27] <daubers> 2 .crashes and 3 .uploads
[10:27] <popey> for what apps?
[10:27] <daubers> inkscape and xorg
[10:27] <popey> sometimes it fails to upload so will ask you again later
[10:27] <popey> when are they dated?
[10:28] <daubers> Xorg is yesterday, rest is the last 10 minutes
[10:28] <popey> rm them all
[10:29] <daubers> gone
[10:30] <AlanBell> whoopsie is the "welcome to Ubuntu screen" on first install a bit too often
[10:30] <popey> whereas in previous releases we never knew when stuff crashed
[10:30] <popey> at least now we can fix it
[10:30] <daubers> FFS! GO AWAY AND DIE
[10:31] <daubers> stupid whoopsie
[10:31] <daubers> It's now going
[10:31] <AlanBell> yeah, it serves a purpose
[10:31] <popey> ah well.
[10:32] <AlanBell> would be nice to have a "just silently get on with it" option
[10:32] <AlanBell> especially for things that the user neither knows or cares crashed
[10:32] <AlanBell> like unity-video-lens or whatever
[10:33] <shauno> or atleast rate-limit the interaction so it doesn't "no, go away" doesn't become a muscle-memory response
[10:33] <diplo> yeah I've been getting a lot of whoopsies recently :(
[10:33] <oimon> diplo, there's a lot going round. my kids had that too :)
[10:34] <AlanBell> diplo: for things that you know crashed, or just randomly popping up and telling you something crashed that you didn't know about?
[10:34] <daubers> hooray, whoopsie is no more
[10:34] <diplo> Bit of both AlanBell
[10:34] <daubers> stupid poxy thing keep interrupting me
[10:35] <diplo> and oimon :D
[10:35] <daubers> GAH! Is there more than one package that controls whoopsie?
[10:35] <daubers> Damn thing is still going even though I uninstalled it
[10:36] <popey> the dialog is apport-gtk
[10:36] <daubers> Gone. Hopefully now it'll leave me in peace
[10:37] <mgdm> I've switched everything I can find to do with the update manager off but it still pops up every time I boot my machine
[10:38] <mgdm> never seen whoopsie do anything, though
[10:38] <SuperMatt> I always change /etc/default/apport to enabled=0 and I never get the silly crash messages
[10:41] <Myrtti> webapps extension in chromium is still crashing
[10:41] <Myrtti> after a reinstall
[10:41] <Myrtti> :-| the biggest dissappointment was how Ubiquity or luks failed with what I wanted to do with my partitions
[10:43] <Myrtti> tried to create encrypted swap, / and /home partitions, swap and / worked fine but /home couldn't mount on boot because the password was wrong - then again when I ran the live session and mounted /home there, the password was valid
[10:51] <DJones> Anybody interested in free crossover office? http://www.codeweavers.com/about/general/press/20121029/ Being given away today
[10:54] <popey> SuperMatt, :(
[10:55] <mgdm> DJones: Hmm I got similar a few years ago
[10:55] <oimon> DJones, playonlinux is giving me office 2010 quite nicely
[10:55] <SuperMatt> popey: ?
[10:55] <DJones> mgdm: Yeah I got that probably around the same time, similar offer, installed it, but then never ended up using it
[10:55]  * AlanBell reenables /etc/default/apport
[10:56] <AlanBell> SuperMatt: the idea is that they collate the crash reports and stop the crashers
[10:56] <popey> if everyone did that we'd never get anything fixed
[10:56] <AlanBell> if everyone turns it off like I did then they get no reports
[10:57] <SuperMatt> oh all right
[10:57] <AlanBell> but I kind of wanted to use my desktop without having popups all the time about obscure background services crashing
[10:57] <popey> the bugs on errors.ubuntu.com are highly surfaced as things we want to fix in our to-do lists
[10:57] <AlanBell> figure it is time to turn it back on again now
[10:58] <DJones> Now, do I set the coffee machine up in the kitchen, or be lazy and set it up in the office to save walking downstairs to get drinks
[10:58] <SuperMatt> and there's my first error
[10:58] <DJones> Setting up in the ofice seens a good idea
[10:59] <popey> SuperMatt, what do you have in /var/crash and how old are the reports?
[10:59] <popey> i.e. you could rm everything in /var/crash (via sudo) and have a "clean start"
[11:00] <popey> also SuperMatt what version of ubuntu are you running and do you have a stock ubuntu desktop with all necessary packages installed (sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^)
[11:00] <SuperMatt> ooh, I only have gwibber crashes
[11:00] <SuperMatt> and I've actually removed gwibber
[11:01] <oimon> and gwibber-service removed?
[11:01] <SuperMatt> I'm running quantal with pretty much everything, except gwibber and gwibber service
[11:01] <SuperMatt> I don't think I've removed anything else
[11:01] <oimon> i forgot gwibber existed
[11:02] <SuperMatt> yup, only gwibber is gone
[11:02] <oimon> twitter is OK for phones but i never use it on PC
[11:02] <SuperMatt> because I don't need it with webapps
[11:03] <ali1234> whoopsie/apport always crashes for me
[11:03] <SuperMatt> popey: are there any official slides/documentation for people that want to do Ubuntu training sessions at work/in the community?
[11:04] <ali1234> either that or it spends 20 minutes uploading and then says the bug is not valid
[11:04] <ali1234> of course both of these cases are things that don't show up in any error tracking
[11:05] <ali1234> many of the crashes it does detect is stuff that crashes on shutdown for no reason
[11:05] <ali1234> like firefox
[11:07] <popey> SuperMatt, not that I'm aware of
[11:08] <SuperMatt> dang
[11:09] <SuperMatt> figured that'd be a nice thing to have
[11:09] <popey> sure, we did have some which was made a while back
[11:10] <popey> good training material isn't cheap to make
[11:10] <SuperMatt> no, I imagine it's not
[11:10] <SuperMatt> might be worth a team coming together to develop something and try to stay on top if it
[11:11] <SuperMatt> a community team, that is
[11:11] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:12] <popey> yup, i agree
[11:12] <popey> its a lot of work
[11:13] <SuperMatt> have I volunteered myself?
[11:13] <AlanBell> SuperMatt: there might be some stuff on spreadubuntu
[11:13] <SuperMatt> ta
[11:13] <AlanBell> it is mostly just posters and marketing, but there might be something to use
[11:13] <MonsterKiller> when i ssh my ubuntu server with a user that isnt "root" and try to scroll back previous commands, it just does "^[[A" but if im logged in as root it actually scroll the previous commands. what could that be?
[11:14] <AlanBell> SuperMatt: a moodle course would be good
[11:14] <AlanBell> MonsterKiller: sounds like the up cursor keymapping is wrong
[11:14] <MonsterKiller> it works fine if im logged on as the root user
[11:14] <MonsterKiller> :/
[11:14] <AlanBell> what are you using as your ssh client?
[11:14] <MonsterKiller> putty
[11:15] <AlanBell> on windows?
[11:15] <MonsterKiller> yeah
[11:15] <AlanBell> try using ubuntu :)
[11:15] <ali1234> that won't help
[11:15] <AlanBell> mostly to see if it works from a terminal
[11:15] <AlanBell> termcap stuff?
[11:15] <ali1234> when you get no command history it means termcap is broken
[11:15] <AlanBell> ubuntu to ubuntu works just fine for me
[11:16] <ali1234> that can be a symptom of worse problems in user's environment
[11:16] <AlanBell> or termcap doesn't recognise your terminal type
[11:16] <MonsterKiller> haha, its like the default Ubuntu image for my vps too
[11:16] <MonsterKiller> >.<
[11:16] <ali1234> more likely, if using a root server, you didn't add the users correctly
[11:16] <ali1234> eg forgot to make a home directory
[11:16] <AlanBell> MonsterKiller: so you ssh as a user, then sudo -i to get to root and it works?
[11:17] <AlanBell> or did you enable remote root ssh logins and root password?
[11:17] <ali1234> VPS servers are usually issued with root account enabled
[11:17] <MonsterKiller> AlanBell, root user is enabled by default since its a rented VPS
[11:17] <ali1234> so how did you add users?
[11:17] <MonsterKiller> useradd -d /home/user -m user
[11:18] <ali1234> the documentation says to use adduser
[11:19] <ali1234> now, sometimes useradd and adduser are the same binary
[11:19] <ali1234> on other distros they are not
[11:19] <ali1234> i forget which one ubuntu is
[11:19] <ali1234> ok, ubuntu they are different
[11:20] <MonsterKiller> :|
[11:20] <ali1234> so is suspect useradd does not set up environment properly
[11:21] <oimon> are there any lenders who don't charge a setup fee for a mortgage?
[11:21] <oimon> seems to be a recent con
[11:23] <MonsterKiller> ali1234, yeah using adduser seems to work
[11:23] <MonsterKiller> \o/
[11:23] <MonsterKiller> ty
[11:37] <diplo> AlanBell / theopensourcerer : Either of you about ?
[11:37] <theopensourcerer> yep
[11:38] <diplo> I just wanted to see how you support openerp, my company have created our own erp system and looking at support atm for customer sites
[11:38] <diplo> Wondering how you connect to customers to view if they have an issue
[11:38] <diplo> Do you have vpn connections to all customer siteS?
[11:38] <theopensourcerer> Depends on the customer.
[11:39] <theopensourcerer> Most yes. They give us the keys and create VPN connections
[11:39] <theopensourcerer> Some just ssh
[11:39] <theopensourcerer> Some we host ;-)
[11:39] <diplo> So if it's a issue when using the browser and don't have vpn access do you have a work around ?
[11:40] <theopensourcerer> you can tunnel the web over ssh
[11:40] <diplo> We've been discussing it, and one of the suggestions is some remote desktop on the server as an option
[11:40] <diplo> That's also a good idea..
[11:40] <theopensourcerer> ssh -L 8088:localhost:8088 mycustomer.com
[11:42] <diplo> ooh will try that thanks
[11:42] <theopensourcerer> It works fine :-)
[11:43] <theopensourcerer> You can even chain ssh tunnels. When you need to be connecting from a host with a specific IP.
[11:46] <davmor2> MonsterKiller: http://linuxers.org/article/differences-between-useradd-and-adduser-commands adduser imports the files from /etc/skel which will include things like shell type etc
[11:47] <MonsterKiller> ah okay
[11:49] <AlanBell> diplo: yeah port forwarding over ssh is fantastic
[12:18] <Gargoyle> Anone got any tips on compiling nginx with passenger support, but keeping it compatible with the default 12.10 package?
[12:19] <Gargoyle> Or should I uninstall the package, and go for complete manual install?
[12:26] <AlanBell> Gargoyle: dunno what passenger support is, but generally use the packaged versions, or don't
[12:26] <AlanBell> pain lies inbetween :)
[12:27] <Gargoyle> AlanBell: passenger is for running ruby on rails apps (eg. redmine)
[12:27] <AlanBell> redmine is cool
[12:28] <AlanBell> we are running it but not though nginx I think
[12:29] <Gargoyle> yeah, I was trying to avoid apache. Might just leave a second server running just apache+redmine
[12:30] <AlanBell> yes, we are using apache
[12:31] <Gargoyle> It's a shame nginx does not have runtime enabled modules.
[12:31] <Gargoyle> but I guess thats one of the small things that makes it a little bit faster!
[12:32] <AlanBell> would it really be faster for something it just hands off to redmine?
[12:32] <AlanBell> all it is doing is getting the request, deciding "nope, not for me" and passing back whatever redmine responds with
[12:32] <dogmatic69> Gargoyle: there is a php port of redmine
[12:33] <dogmatic69> https://github.com/yandod/candycane
[12:33] <Gargoyle> I meant as a general server. Nginx will be running other stuff
[12:33] <Gargoyle> dogmatic69: Oooh!
[12:33] <dogmatic69> as far as I know its a 1:1 copy
[12:33] <Gargoyle> ta
[12:34] <dogmatic69> The guy that wrote it is from Jp, but I am sure there is eng translations for it.
[12:49] <mungojerry> upgrading to owncloud 4.5.1 , maybe i can delete my dropbox client :D
[13:15] <dogmatic69> anyone that has used minicom before, is it possible to use entirely via command line? eg: without using the terminal UI thingy
[13:16] <dogmatic69> or, another app that can send serial from terminal
[13:16] <mungojerry> yes
[13:16] <mungojerry> minicom -S /dev/tty1 from memory
[13:17] <dogmatic69> man says " -S   script.  Run the named script at startup. "
[13:17] <mungojerry> meh, something like that
[13:17] <dogmatic69> I have been reading the man pages and blogs for weeks :(
[13:18] <mungojerry> you want to read serial console on your machien?
[13:18] <mungojerry> minicom -s
[13:19] <mungojerry> then go to serial port setup
[13:19] <dogmatic69> well instead of opening the app and selecting a file I would like to either -something /some/path/file.ext or somehow cat the contents of the file into it.
[13:19] <dogmatic69> I am sending
[13:20] <dogmatic69> its to a plotter.
[13:21] <mungojerry> oh, i never tried the other way. echo "hello" > /dev/ttyS0 ?
[13:21] <dogmatic69> you cant control the speed, stop bits etc like that.
[13:21] <dogmatic69> Ive tried, it does nothing.
[13:56] <mungojerry>  20G   19G   84M 100% /var/lib/ureadahead/debugfs
[13:56] <mungojerry> ^^ anyone know about this partition?
[13:57] <einonm> I'm not sure about ureadahead, but debugfs is used by the kernel for dynamic debug and the suchlike
[13:58] <mungojerry> mine is near 100% though?
[13:58] <einonm> I don;t have it mounted, a quick google seems to suggest this is a VM thing.
[13:58] <einonm> are you on a vm?
[13:59] <mungojerry> nope
[13:59] <mungojerry> its a 10.04 machine
[13:59] <einonm> do you have /sys/kernel/debug mounted too?
[14:00] <mungojerry> "According to the dev in this bug report (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...ad/+bug/499773), a left-over temporary mountpoint indicates that ureadahead crashed out, leaving the mountpoint in /etc/mtab. A quick scan of the source seems to confirm this, but maybe something was overlooked."
[14:01] <mungojerry> einonm, actually my / partition is full too
[14:01] <einonm> ok, not the debugfs I know - that's a virtual fs
[14:02] <mungojerry> i won't worry , but rather focus on the / partition
[14:03] <einonm> there's loads on google about it if you look for 'ureadahead debugfs'. Seems a common issue...
[14:05]  * popey is in a session about whoopsie/apport
[14:05] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1m-FNL1mrD0
[14:05] <popey> watch along!
[14:06]  * Azelphur sees a popey
[14:06] <popey> :)
[14:10] <einonm> I'm watching the one about 'improving communication outward'
[14:10] <einonm> I'm waiting to see if someone suggests proof reading M.Shuttleworth's blog posts as an idea
[14:10] <popey> i suggested that in a previous session
[14:11] <einonm> popey: :) How did that go down?
[14:12] <davmor2> einonm: you see the guy behind popey with the gun....
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> so that's where the black helicopters went
[14:12] <einonm> oh yes..no, wait...that's an axe...the other guy?
[14:13] <einonm> :p
[14:19] <davmor2> popey: can you find out who keeps removing the uds videos from youtube?
[14:21] <popey> eh?
[14:21] <popey> removing from which account?
[14:21] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/user/ubuntudevelopers is the channel for thenm
[14:21] <popey> *them
[14:22] <davmor2> popey: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXmPMPbXeA1gKZdcokgXF3w and now http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-14-04-Will-Come-to-Phones-TVs-and-Tablets-303165.shtml
[14:22] <popey> people shouldn't link to those
[14:23] <popey> the IS guys download them and then get the video guys to upload them to the ubuntudevelopers channel
[14:27] <davmor2> popey: ah okay that explains why they are disappearing then
[15:05] <directhex> hm, i think my wife's 6970 might be dodgy
[15:09] <brobostigon> :(
[15:12] <directhex> swapped my 5850 in place, and games are no longer locking up the system
[15:12] <directhex> need to try & repro crashes with the 6970 in my pc
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> Nokia?
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> Blackberry?
[15:14] <directhex> radeon
[15:27] <MonsterKiller> can you use wget or something similar to get files from another ubuntu server via sftp?
[15:31] <BigRedS> no
[15:31] <BigRedS> you can use sftp or scp though
[15:31] <BigRedS> and, sometimes, rsync. But that's via rsync/ssh rather than sftp
[15:32] <BigRedS> depends on whether it really is just sftp access or an ssh account
[15:33] <MonsterKiller> either, i just wanted quick way to copy files from one server to another :p
[15:33] <davmor2> MonsterKiller: scp
[15:35] <davmor2> MonsterKiller: scp user@server:/path/to/file user@server:/path/to/drop/file or easier still login to the server you want to drop the file to and then just do scp user@server:/path/to/file .
[15:35] <MonsterKiller> can that copy entire folders? or does it need to be compressed first
[15:36] <davmor2> MonsterKiller: scp -r iirc same rules as with cp
[15:36] <MonsterKiller> :) ty
[15:44] <BigRedS> davmor2: I think scp complains if both ends are remote
[15:45] <BigRedS> that might be rsync, thinking about it
[15:52] <davmor2> BigRedS: that's why I gave both examples and and said logging into the receiving server as the easiest :)
[16:03] <BigRedS> yeah, it's always easiest to remove as many hosts as possible
[16:43] <diplo> Just done a video with kazam, whats the best app to edit it?
[16:43] <diplo> Openshot ?
[16:44] <popey> try them all and see :)
[16:44] <popey> pitivi / openshot / kdenlive...
[16:47] <brobostigon> blender, :)
[16:48] <Darael> cinelerra had a good rep at one point, but I don't think it's ever been in the repos.
[16:51] <diplo> I remember why I've never bothered before, I'll read some tutorials on openshot
[16:51] <diplo> I don't find any of them easy to use, never have. I guess i just suck :)
[16:55] <gord> kdenlive is particularly excellent
[16:55] <waveform> cinelerra is quite amazingly powerful, and there's a PPA for it, but expect the interface to be horribly ugly and for the learning curve to be more like a wall
[16:56] <gord> i found it easy to use and fairly powerful. and unlike the rest i tried, it actually worked
[16:56] <diplo> ok, all installing ready to play tomorrow
[16:56] <waveform> (having played with kdenlive and pitivi, cinelerra beat their pants off for features and capabilities but it was pretty hard work to figure it all out - pitivi was easiest)
[16:56] <gord> (why are we talking in giant paranthesis?)
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> {because these are hard to type}
[16:59] <waveform> [and these are soooo ugly]
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> <and these are for xml/html>
[17:00] <waveform> « and these are just weird »
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> they're not even valid UTF-8
[17:01] <MartijnVdS> « I think you mean these? »
[17:01] <waveform> that's indeed what I meant, but mine appeared fine on my display (as did yours) so I'm now wondering where on earth the transcoding went wrong ;)
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> You sent Latin1, which I don't transcode to UTF-8 on my side
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> (but which your client does transcode, apparently)
[17:02] <popey> cinlerra is the emacs of video editors
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> popey: Does it contain a kitchen sink?
[17:02]  * MartijnVdS has been playing with Openshot a bit recently
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> but it's made of explodium
[17:02] <waveform> MartijnVdS, very nearly - the list of plugins is stupendous (and includes awfully fancy things like motion compensation)
[18:24]  * Flashtek burps
[18:25] <zleap> hey Flashtek
[18:25] <Flashtek>                                          o/
[18:26] <Flashtek> right, who was it that refered me to this camera ?
[18:26]  * zleap is innocent
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> which camera/
[18:35] <Flashtek> £35 one
[18:35] <Flashtek> amazon
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> ah
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: ?
[18:39] <Azelphur> Has anyone ever tried unmounting / while the system is up and running fsck
[18:39] <Azelphur> like if I ran fsck once to pull it into the cache, unmounted, ran it and actually fsck'd the main drive... xD
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> won't work
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> you can't remount read-only if there's any open file
[18:41] <Azelphur> \o/
[18:44] <Azelphur> what about some way to make the system do an unattended fsck on reboot?
[18:44] <Flashtek> AlanBell: ??
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: touch /forcefsck; reboot
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: you can set FSCKFIX=1 in /etc/default/rcS as well
[18:45] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: except read only filesystem :(
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> if you want it 100% unattended
[18:45] <Azelphur> except...read only filesystem
[18:45] <Azelphur> lol
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> if the fs is already readonly, you should be able to fsck
[18:46] <Flashtek> Azelphur: mount / -o remount,ro ; fsck / ; mount / -o remount,rw
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> don't you have a serial/ipmi/vm console?
[18:47] <Azelphur> I only have SSH
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> reboot and use that to recover :)
[18:47] <Azelphur> it's a dedi
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> don't those come with serial consoles anymore?
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> or IPMI
[18:47] <Azelphur> not mine
[18:53] <ali1234> "We don't rely on software fallback implementations of OpenGL.  We literally have a specific software engine that is so fast that some  developers spent weeks using it accidentally, not realizing they had  software compositing on their setup."
[18:53] <ali1234> rasterman++++++
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> rasterman does capitals and interpunction now?
[18:54] <ali1234> i think it was a spoken interview
[20:06] <AlanBell> hi Flashtek
[20:10] <zleap> Flashtek,
[20:52] <Flashtek> zleap:
[20:52] <Flashtek> AlanBell: camera is alive :)
[20:52] <AlanBell> woot
[20:53] <Flashtek> ya
[20:53] <AlanBell> I should publish my script and UI stuff
[20:53] <Flashtek> needs installing, and power to be supplied
[20:53] <Flashtek> and yeah, the scripts etc would be amazingly helpful
[20:54] <AlanBell> yeah, just need to do things like not hardcode IP address and admin password and I will pop it on launchpad :)
[20:54] <Flashtek> oke :)
[20:55] <Flashtek> anything I can do to help at all ?
[20:56] <zleap> sorry Flashtek i was in #dclug
[20:58] <AlanBell> Flashtek: what is the default camera IP address?
[21:01] <AlanBell> Flashtek: https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/+junk/camcontrol
[21:08] <Flashtek> 192.168.1. something
[21:09] <AlanBell> ok, I was going to set the default IP address in the code to the one it comes preset to
[21:16] <ali1234> according to firmware the default ip is 192.168.1.1
[21:18] <ali1234> that may only apply if there's no nvram config
[22:01] <Flashtek> 239 port 81
[22:24] <brobostigon> is it possible to manage an ejabberd server diectly via a jabber client, whose user is registered as the admin.?
[22:25] <mgdm> I think so
[22:26] <brobostigon> mgdm: how, because i can find references to it, but not explanation.
[22:26] <mgdm> Yeah, in Pidgin, if I go to my ejabberd's account in the Accounts menu, I have loads of options
[22:27] <brobostigon> mgdm: let me try that.
[22:28] <brobostigon> mgdm: wow, yes. interesting. those options are there.
[22:30] <brobostigon> mgdm: and loads more in the xmpp service descrovery.
[22:30] <mgdm> Oh, i don't know that thing
[22:30] <mgdm> where'd you get that?
[22:32] <mgdm> Oh, found it
[22:33] <brobostigon> :)
[22:33] <brobostigon> mgdm: i had only tried empathy and bitlbee, so didnt see any of those options.
[22:34] <mgdm> Ah
[22:34] <mgdm> it's years snce I used Empathy and I've never used bitlbee
[22:35] <brobostigon> bitlbee is just convenient, as i run it with screen and irssi on my vps.
[22:37] <brobostigon> also, i wonder why pidgin has those things, and not other xmpp clients.
[22:40] <ali1234> empathy only does the bare minimum required for chatting
[22:40] <brobostigon> ok.
[22:47] <Darael> brobostigon: Psi and Psi+ can certainly do ejabberd's management things, if that helps at all.
[22:47] <brobostigon> Darael: yes, thank you.
[22:48] <brobostigon> i was just trying to find something for android.
[22:48] <brobostigon> also*
[22:48] <Darael> Personally I stopped using everything but xmpp and IRC, so I use an issi-in-screen (with the xmpp module) and psi+ as a desktop client.  Haven't really looked into android clients yet.
[22:49] <Darael> Well, actually I use an irssi-in-tmux now.
[22:49] <brobostigon> ok.
[23:13] <brobostigon> pidgin for android would be interesting. i do remember pidgin was ported to maemo. for the above purpose.