| Kilos | morning geeks | 05:33 |
|---|---|---|
| Kilos | hi Tonberry | 05:55 |
| Kilos | hi Squirm | 05:56 |
| Squirm | hello | 05:56 |
| mazal | Môre almal , morning all | 06:03 |
| Kilos | dag mazal | 06:03 |
| mazal | Gaanit oom Kilos ? | 06:03 |
| === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg | ||
| Kilos | goed dankie en daar? | 06:04 |
| Kilos | hi SmilyBorg | 06:04 |
| mazal | Raasie baie nie , maar net besig :P | 06:04 |
| SmilyBorg | Morning :-) | 06:04 |
| mazal | Morning SmilyBorg | 06:04 |
| Kilos | :-)> | 06:04 |
| Kilos | hard work making smiley things | 06:04 |
| mazal | I have a question re /var/cache/apt/archives | 06:08 |
| mazal | Scenario: | 06:08 |
| Kilos | what about them | 06:08 |
| mazal | Fully updated 12.04 with loads of 3rd party apps installed | 06:08 |
| Kilos | ok | 06:08 |
| mazal | All .debs in that folder backed up | 06:08 |
| mazal | Now | 06:08 |
| mazal | If I format and install a 12.10 pc | 06:09 |
| mazal | Copy that debs to that location | 06:09 |
| mazal | And run all my install commands | 06:09 |
| mazal | Will it install everything from that cache ? | 06:09 |
| Kilos | no good. packs are release related if im not mistaken | 06:09 |
| mazal | The 12.10 pc is not on internet | 06:09 |
| Kilos | oh | 06:10 |
| Kilos | you mean the 12.10 archives | 06:10 |
| mazal | I can't see any release info in the packages | 06:10 |
| Kilos | you need to get the first apt-get-update | 06:10 |
| mazal | I thought it might work | 06:10 |
| Kilos | that also looks whats in archives to see what you got | 06:10 |
| mazal | I think I need to try this | 06:11 |
| Kilos | you can use a cell to connect just for the first update | 06:11 |
| mazal | You see , because off all the time and data it takes for a new build I only use LTS and this keeps me away from always using the latest version | 06:12 |
| mazal | I am trying to get past this issue with Ubuntu | 06:12 |
| Kilos | every release has its own packages | 06:12 |
| mazal | I have way over 1gig of apt-get's to do on a new install | 06:12 |
| mazal | And it takes too long and too much data | 06:12 |
| Kilos | yip i know the feeling | 06:13 |
| mazal | So you think it won't work Kilos ? | 06:13 |
| Kilos | if your archives are for 12.04 they wont work on 12.10 | 06:13 |
| mazal | :-( | 06:13 |
| * Kilos cries as well | 06:13 | |
| mazal | But won't the 3rd party apps at least work ? | 06:15 |
| Kilos | even synaptic and software centre and update manager need the apt-get update or a reload from themselves to see whats available and whats in archives | 06:15 |
| mazal | For example , things like Thunderbird , Firefox , Handbrake etc. is the same version in 12.04 and 12.10 ? | 06:15 |
| superfly | morning people | 06:16 |
| Kilos | hi superfly am i right here? | 06:16 |
| superfly | Kilos: yes, you are. | 06:16 |
| Kilos | mazal, what mobile service are you using? | 06:17 |
| Kilos | 8ta has a 2gB+1gB bundle for R149 and only deduct R146 | 06:18 |
| mazal | I am om ADSL Kilos , but only 384k | 06:18 |
| Kilos | 1gB is after 23.00 | 06:18 |
| mazal | I literaly takes me up to 3 nights just for a install | 06:19 |
| Kilos | wow | 06:19 |
| mazal | I'm trying to get past the time factor | 06:19 |
| mazal | Yeah , just the multimedia is 400mb , and 384k that takes hours | 06:19 |
| mazal | Then I only did multimedia support and haven't even started with other apps I use | 06:20 |
| superfly | mazal: hasn't yours been upgraded to 1Mbps yet? I though Telkom was done with those upgrades | 06:20 |
| Kilos | i never get over 400kB/s but install from scratch and it only takes a few hours to get upgraded | 06:20 |
| mazal | Nope , we still on 384k , they are lying | 06:20 |
| mazal | as usual | 06:21 |
| sakhi | Morning | 06:21 |
| Kilos | hi sakhi | 06:21 |
| Kilos | mazal, complain to their CEO | 06:21 |
| Kilos | they fixed my 8ta in 3 days if i member right | 06:22 |
| mazal | I wonder if there is an email adres or something that I can send mail and enquire | 06:22 |
| Kilos | yes i found one somewhere | 06:22 |
| mazal | Back when I was on 4mb I also did a machine in a few hours. But now , oi | 06:23 |
| Kilos | their ceo is also on twitter | 06:23 |
| Kilos | http://my.8ta.com/mobile-web/ | 06:24 |
| mazal | 8ta not an option for me , no signal | 06:24 |
| mazal | Same with 3g | 06:24 |
| Kilos | eish | 06:24 |
| Kilos | http://www.ceoemail.com/african-companies.php | 06:25 |
| mazal | I tested a friends 8ta at my house and it was so slow that it couldn't even open speedtest to test LOL | 06:25 |
| Kilos | look in there for telkoms ceo mail addy | 06:25 |
| mazal | Ta Kilos | 06:25 |
| Kilos | yw | 06:25 |
| Kilos | hi psydroid | 06:25 |
| Kilos | http://www.telkom.co.za/about_us/mediacentre/press_release/articles/2011/article_1036.html | 06:26 |
| Kilos | http://www.telkom.co.za/emailcontact/home.htm | 06:27 |
| psydroid | hi Kilos | 06:27 |
| Kilos | hopefully one of them has his addy | 06:27 |
| Kilos | oh mazal on 8ta you actually have to fone them and they activate your sim card to do 3g | 06:28 |
| Kilos | sims not active by default | 06:29 |
| mazal | M friends 8ta was fully functional Kilos | 06:29 |
| mazal | At his house it runs fast , so the problem is signal at my place | 06:29 |
| Kilos | eish | 06:29 |
| mazal | Ek bly in 'n klein plekkie jong :P | 06:30 |
| Kilos | then you have 2 options with them. one is to ask for them to upgrade the closest tower or build another one closer | 06:30 |
| mazal | Cullinan | 06:30 |
| Kilos | they are actually very helpful | 06:30 |
| Kilos | yeah but cullinan must see a tower if there are any on the hills surrounding pta | 06:31 |
| Kilos | yo kodez | 06:34 |
| kodez | uncle Kilos | 06:36 |
| mazal | I got a page that you can send a "product enquiry" | 06:37 |
| mazal | So I send an enquiry there. Will see what they reply. In my experience Telkom doesn't have good customer service at all. So will see what they reply | 06:37 |
| Kilos | they were more helpful for me than the other providers | 06:38 |
| Kilos | i think inetpro also has good reports about them | 06:38 |
| Kilos | they are trying ha to compete with voda mtn cellc etc | 06:39 |
| Kilos | hard | 06:39 |
| Kilos | they even advertise on the idiot box that if you get an adsl line you get a free 8ta 3g modem | 06:45 |
| mazal | Idiot box ? | 06:45 |
| Kilos | tv | 06:45 |
| mazal | LOL ok , have to agree on that one lol | 06:46 |
| Kilos | has anyone got an idea if emails work to fax addresses | 06:50 |
| Kilos | addy looks very similar to an email addy | 06:51 |
| Kilos | Fax: zs6pjh@telkomsa.net | 07:18 |
| Symmetria | hahahhhaahhahahhahahhahha | 08:28 |
| Symmetria | syria claimed responsibility | 08:28 |
| Symmetria | for hurricane sandy | 08:28 |
| Symmetria | thats some hilarious crap right there | 08:28 |
| Kilos | lol | 08:28 |
| Symmetria | they made it using highly advanced technology | 08:31 |
| Symmetria | rotfl | 08:31 |
| Kilos | Symmetria, any luck with getting us any space onna host yet? | 08:57 |
| Kilos | hmm impatient | 09:32 |
| Kilos | hi inetpro | 09:41 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee on | 09:41 |
| * Maaz starts grinding coffee | 09:41 | |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee for all | 09:41 |
| Maaz | Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already | 09:41 |
| Banlam | sugar, pfft | 09:41 |
| inetpro | good mornings everyone and Kilos | 09:42 |
| Kilos | you allergic to sugar Banlam ? | 09:43 |
| Banlam | lol no | 09:43 |
| Banlam | i like sugar | 09:43 |
| Banlam | just not in my coffee | 09:43 |
| Kilos | oh my bitter coffee sucks | 09:44 |
| Kilos | i use double the sugar in coffee i use in tea | 09:44 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos! | 09:45 |
| Kilos | Maaz, ty | 09:45 |
| Maaz | You are welcome Kilos | 09:45 |
| Kilos | Maaz, with sugar | 09:45 |
| Maaz | Help yourself outa the sugar pot | 09:45 |
| Kilos | see Banlam he doesnt put sugar in | 09:45 |
| Banlam | i know :) he said we must come with the correct amount of sugar | 09:45 |
| Banlam | so i said "pfft sugar" | 09:46 |
| Kilos | thats in tea man | 09:46 |
| Kilos | oh my | 09:46 |
| Kilos | sorry i just read | 09:46 |
| Banlam | :) | 09:46 |
| Kilos | ai old age | 09:47 |
| Kilos | or just plain stupidity could also be the prob | 09:48 |
| charlvn | good morning | 09:49 |
| charlvn | Maaz: coffee on | 09:49 |
| * Maaz starts grinding coffee | 09:49 | |
| charlvn | i can't believe this is actually in the wiktionary: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/googlewhore | 09:50 |
| Kilos | lo charlvn | 09:50 |
| charlvn | hi Kilos | 09:50 |
| Kilos | haha should have googlepimp as well | 09:51 |
| Kilos | those that always tell me google is my friend | 09:51 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charlvn! | 09:53 |
| charlvn | Maaz: thanks | 09:59 |
| Maaz | charlvn: No problem | 09:59 |
| mazal | Lo charlvn | 10:14 |
| mazal | Maaz: Start frying steak | 10:22 |
| Maaz | mazal: What? | 10:22 |
| mazal | Maaz: Put on chips | 10:22 |
| Maaz | mazal: Sorry... | 10:22 |
| mazal | oi | 10:22 |
| charlvn | hi mazal | 10:38 |
| zeref | hmmm | 11:08 |
| zeref | anybody's ubuntu just log off without any error messages? | 11:21 |
| SmilyBorg | it's happened to me once or twice in the past. never found the cause though | 11:22 |
| zeref | :-( | 11:35 |
| zeref | I used to get gnome-seesion errors about memory unavaliable | 11:35 |
| Kilos | lol i like to believe thats when a virus or hacker tried to get in | 11:35 |
| zeref | but now nothing | 11:35 |
| Kilos | so it cuts them off | 11:36 |
| zeref | have to restart start to computer a couple of time before it's stable | 11:36 |
| zeref | Kilos: lol | 11:36 |
| Kilos | hehe | 11:36 |
| SmilyBorg | that sounds more like a hardware issue to me | 11:36 |
| Kilos | i had it often when using msn on pidgin | 11:36 |
| zeref | SmilyBorg: I was thinking the same, but When I upgraded my hardware still got the same | 11:37 |
| SmilyBorg | ouch | 11:37 |
| SmilyBorg | when you say upgrade. what hardware was changed? | 11:38 |
| zeref | mother and graphics | 11:38 |
| SmilyBorg | so you used your old ram? | 11:39 |
| zeref | oh and ram was changed to DDR3 | 11:39 |
| SmilyBorg | k | 11:40 |
| SmilyBorg | odd that | 11:40 |
| zeref | got a good deal 4GB DDR3 for R200 :) | 11:40 |
| SmilyBorg | maybe bad power? minor power fluctuations can cause weird issues. Do you have a UPS? | 11:41 |
| Kilos | yeah ddr3 seems the way to go | 11:41 |
| Kilos | only mb and cpu cost | 11:41 |
| zeref | SmilyBorg: nope | 11:41 |
| SmilyBorg | looking forward to getting my new laptop on Friday. will just need to max out the ram with an extra 4GB dimm | 11:42 |
| SmilyBorg | ram is so cheep these days | 11:42 |
| zeref | one thing i did notice is that when i boot into windows, I get nvidia kernel error, with old and new GPU | 11:42 |
| zeref | sooo..... | 11:42 |
| SmilyBorg | hmm. tried a fresh install since upgrade? | 11:43 |
| zeref | yep | 11:43 |
| zeref | do you thinnk that another distro make a diff? | 11:43 |
| zeref | *difference | 11:43 |
| zeref | oh, still on 12.04 btw | 11:44 |
| SmilyBorg | no. shouldn't make a difference. if you are seeing issues in windows and linux, it really points to hardware in my mind | 11:45 |
| Kilos | zeref, maybe try upgrade the nvidia drivers on both systems | 11:46 |
| tonberry352_ | sounds like xorg crashing | 11:46 |
| zeref | Kilos: for nvidia i use current | 11:47 |
| zeref | dont like the current-latest | 11:47 |
| Kilos | current didnt work here on 12.04 | 11:47 |
| zeref | tonberry352_: I suspected that, but when no errors are shown | 11:48 |
| Kilos | had to use proprietry driver | 11:48 |
| zeref | kind of hard to pinpoint | 11:48 |
| zeref | Kilos: nvidia drivers are propriety | 11:48 |
| Kilos | dont you see aditional drivers in dash | 11:49 |
| Kilos | it shows what you need to do | 11:49 |
| zeref | yebo oom :) | 11:49 |
| Kilos | hehe | 11:49 |
| zeref | just to check, error messages can be found in dmesg, syslog, and xsessions? | 11:51 |
| zeref | seems stable now..... | 11:52 |
| === Kerbero is now known as Kerbero[afk] | ||
| Symmetria | whoa, rodriguez is coming back to south africa | 12:42 |
| mazal | Bye everyone | 12:46 |
| mazal | God bless | 12:46 |
| Kilos | cheers amz | 12:46 |
| Kilos | you too | 12:46 |
| Kilos | ty | 12:46 |
| === Kerbero[afk] is now known as Kerbero | ||
| charlvn | mtnbusiness - that is the former verizon which was the former uunet right? | 12:57 |
| Squirm | our internet is so slow today | 13:28 |
| Squirm | :/ | 13:28 |
| SmilyBorg | charlvn: yeah, that sounds about right if memory serves me correctly | 13:29 |
| charlvn | Squirm: what's up? | 13:43 |
| charlvn | SmilyBorg: a long time ago i used to work for one of the service agents of mweb, back when they used the uunet backbone, the network was extremely stable | 13:43 |
| charlvn | then they decided to move to IS and it pretty-much went down the drain :( | 13:43 |
| charlvn | i think they decided to just build their own network after that | 13:44 |
| SmilyBorg | sounds familiar | 13:44 |
| charlvn | later in time i worked as a consultant for a different company and the manager of the company used to do consulting work for IS | 13:45 |
| charlvn | he told me that IS had a culture of pushing their hardware and their network to the absolute limits | 13:45 |
| charlvn | i never had much involvement with IS myself (at least not directly) but he wanted to avoid IS at all costs | 13:45 |
| charlvn | we ended up using hetzner because they also used the verizon backbone (at the time) | 13:46 |
| inetpro | eish! | 13:47 |
| charlvn | there was one particular verizon router though, i think it was somewhere in johannesburg, and that one often introduced huge latency, it showed up clearly on traceroutes | 13:47 |
| charlvn | not sure if it was a faulty router or network congestion problems but it took them months to sort out, and it was a core router | 13:47 |
| * inetpro struggling today with users who think it should be normal to send messages with 600+ addresses in the TO field | 13:48 | |
| SmilyBorg | eish. I hate that | 13:49 |
| inetpro | and when the PC gives a memory error when saving the message for record purposes it's the end of the world | 13:50 |
| charlvn | inetpro: i have seen people do this quite often internally in companies but when the mail goes external (with all the addresses) it's quite ugly | 13:50 |
| charlvn | that's strange, it shouldn't cause a memory error, should it? | 13:50 |
| inetpro | well in Outlook it does | 13:50 |
| charlvn | ah interesting | 13:50 |
| inetpro | and I'm actually glad it does because somewhere this has to stop | 13:51 |
| inetpro | simply crazy! | 13:51 |
| charlvn | but exchange has mailing lists / groups of some kind that can be configured right? | 13:51 |
| charlvn | most companies have those | 13:52 |
| inetpro | but exchange groups is still not a mailing list type solution | 13:53 |
| charlvn | no that's true | 13:53 |
| inetpro | I say do it the proper way with a mailing list and allow users to subscribe and unsubscribe themselves | 13:54 |
| charlvn | well it depends on the use case... for company-wide mails, exchange groups are perfect, but if subscription is optional, then a mailing list is the way to go | 13:55 |
| inetpro | I think it depends on the number of users | 13:55 |
| inetpro | groups are fine for small numbers | 13:55 |
| inetpro | groups are also fine for internal only | 13:56 |
| charlvn | well, i've seen exchange groups with hundreds or even thousands of members perform perfectly fine | 13:56 |
| charlvn | but yeah it's meant for internal only, definitely | 13:56 |
| inetpro | maintaining a database of users manually is fraught with human error | 13:57 |
| charlvn | well, if you can, you definitely want to automate it | 14:01 |
| Squirm | damn tired today | 14:08 |
| Kilos | wb magespawn | 14:16 |
| magespawn | hey Kilos | 14:37 |
| Kilos | you ok magespawn ? | 14:39 |
| magespawn | just slightly busy, and shop assistant-less | 14:39 |
| magespawn | got to go again see you later | 14:41 |
| Kilos | ok be well | 14:46 |
| Kilos | Maaz, seen sflr | 15:05 |
| Maaz | Kilos: sflr was last seen 1 month, 17 days, 6 hours, 35 minutes and 8 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-09-14 01:30:09 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2012-09-14 01:41:39 PDT | 15:05 |
| Kilos | the sh1t | 15:05 |
| superfly | Kilos: haai, oom! Sies! | 15:05 |
| Kilos | skuus man superfly | 15:05 |
| Kilos | 1 1/2 months | 15:06 |
| Kilos | hope hes still alive | 15:06 |
| superfly | magespawn: you ever come right with that work query? | 15:06 |
| Kilos | hi nlsthzn | 15:13 |
| nlsthzn | hi uncle Kilos | 15:14 |
| nlsthzn | all well, cold better? | 15:19 |
| Kilos | yes ty was a bad one | 15:19 |
| Kilos | still a bit weak feels like | 15:19 |
| nlsthzn | well glad you are feeling better uncle Kilos | 16:01 |
| Kilos | ty nlsthzn | 16:02 |
| Kilos | hi Cantide | 16:02 |
| Cantide | hello '-' | 16:08 |
| * nlsthzn goes to play a game before bed... night | 16:13 | |
| Kilos | wbb | 16:31 |
| smile | :) | 17:14 |
| smile | brb :p | 18:08 |
| KilosK | evening all | 18:09 |
| KilosK | hi smileE17 | 18:11 |
| smileE17 | you are in KDE ;) | 18:11 |
| KilosK | ya but now alert sound in xchat so gotta watch the screen | 18:12 |
| KilosK | hehe | 18:12 |
| KilosK | and i got it auto connection 3g | 18:12 |
| KilosK | nuvimob, hoe gaan dit | 18:24 |
| KilosK | jy is maar skaars ne | 18:24 |
| smileE17 | :P | 18:25 |
| nuvimob | o/ hi oom | 18:25 |
| nuvimob | ja nee, nou is ons sonder water ook | 18:25 |
| smileE17 | I always hate 3G on my cellphone :p so i would really hate it on my main computer | 18:25 |
| smileE17 | 3g is really too slow :p | 18:25 |
| nuvimob | wetter het my fiets gesteel om weg te kom met al die koper krane buitekant asook die koper pype | 18:26 |
| KilosK | eish nuvimob het jy al geskyf of nog selle plek | 18:26 |
| inetpro | nuvimob: sorry about your mongoose | 18:26 |
| inetpro | good evening | 18:26 |
| KilosK | lo inetpro | 18:26 |
| nuvimob | :-/ thanks inetpro | 18:27 |
| KilosK | eish nuvimob dis sleg | 18:27 |
| inetpro | nuvimob: did you report it yet? | 18:27 |
| nuvimob | so now we're without water, any water, because the geyser ran out too | 18:28 |
| inetpro | eish! | 18:28 |
| KilosK | eish | 18:28 |
| nuvimob | inetpro yeah, the police left now now | 18:28 |
| KilosK | hope geyser was switched off | 18:28 |
| inetpro | nuvimob: I know the feeling | 18:28 |
| nuvimob | geyser wasn't off oom kilos | 18:29 |
| inetpro | nuvimob: now please make sure they put a plastic meter in there, otherwise it won't be long until the next one is gone | 18:29 |
| KilosK | oh my then element will be blown too | 18:29 |
| nuvimob | no, they didn't steal the meter, as it is a plastic one already | 18:30 |
| inetpro | ahh | 18:30 |
| inetpro | unbelievable how desperate these thugs are behind copper | 18:30 |
| nuvimob | moere :-( | 18:31 |
| KilosK | sorry to hear ugly news like this nuvimob | 18:31 |
| nuvimob | oh well | 18:31 |
| inetpro | even at church they stole a very small piece of copper gas pipes | 18:31 |
| KilosK | ai | 18:33 |
| inetpro | luckily it didn't result in a big bang | 18:35 |
| KilosK | we need some big bangs to blow these thieves to kingdom come | 18:36 |
| * inetpro is poegaai | 18:39 | |
| inetpro | today went way to quickly | 18:39 |
| KilosK | go have an early sleep | 18:40 |
| inetpro | good idea | 18:40 |
| inetpro | but way to early still | 18:40 |
| KilosK | lol | 18:40 |
| nuvimob | at least here is some wine left :P | 18:54 |
| KilosK | lol | 18:56 |
| KilosK | bath in it | 18:57 |
| nuvimob | Ongelukkig is daar nie só baie nie oom kilos | 19:00 |
| KilosK | ai | 19:06 |
| KilosK | inetpro, gaan slaap nou | 19:08 |
| inetpro | KilosK: hoekom? | 19:09 |
| KilosK | sodat jy more goed voel | 19:09 |
| KilosK | jy word oud nou | 19:09 |
| inetpro | lol | 19:12 |
| inetpro | KilosK: stadig maar seker is ek besig om weer asem te vang | 19:13 |
| inetpro | maar geen stress, ek sal vroeg slaap | 19:13 |
| KilosK | jy is amper by die ouderdom waar jy langs die bed n suurstof bottel aan hou | 19:14 |
| KilosK | ek is darem daar verby | 19:14 |
| KilosK | superfly, all good there? | 19:15 |
| KilosK | night all. i go crash now so pc can rest | 19:24 |
| KilosK | see you morrow | 19:24 |
| KilosK | nag nuvimob moed hou seun | 19:24 |
| smileE17 | bye | 19:36 |
| Kerbero | o/ | 19:36 |
| charlvn | good evening | 20:34 |
| charlvn | hi Kerbero | 20:34 |
| Kerbero | bonsoir | 20:34 |
| charlvn | konbanwa minasan | 20:35 |
| charlvn | nn all | 21:03 |
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