[05:33] <Kilos> morning geeks
[05:55] <Kilos> hi Tonberry 
[05:56] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[05:56] <Squirm> hello
[06:03] <mazal> Môre almal , morning all
[06:03] <Kilos> dag mazal 
[06:03] <mazal> Gaanit oom Kilos ?
[06:04] <Kilos> goed dankie en daar?
[06:04] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg 
[06:04] <mazal> Raasie baie nie , maar net besig :P
[06:04] <SmilyBorg> Morning :-)
[06:04] <mazal> Morning SmilyBorg 
[06:04] <Kilos> :-)>
[06:04] <Kilos> hard work making smiley things
[06:08] <mazal> I have a question re /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:08] <mazal> Scenario:
[06:08] <Kilos> what about them
[06:08] <mazal> Fully updated 12.04 with loads of 3rd party apps installed
[06:08] <Kilos> ok
[06:08] <mazal> All .debs in that folder backed up
[06:08] <mazal> Now
[06:09] <mazal> If I format and install a 12.10 pc
[06:09] <mazal> Copy that debs to that location
[06:09] <mazal> And run all my install commands
[06:09] <mazal> Will it install everything from that cache ?
[06:09] <Kilos> no good. packs are release related if im not mistaken
[06:09] <mazal> The 12.10 pc is not on internet
[06:10] <Kilos> oh
[06:10] <Kilos> you mean the 12.10 archives
[06:10] <mazal> I can't see any release info in the packages
[06:10] <Kilos> you need to get the first apt-get-update
[06:10] <mazal> I thought it might work
[06:10] <Kilos> that also looks whats in archives to see what you got
[06:11] <mazal> I think I need to try this
[06:11] <Kilos> you can use a cell to connect just for the first update
[06:12] <mazal> You see , because off all the time and data it takes for a new build I only use LTS and this keeps me away from always using the latest version
[06:12] <mazal> I am trying to get past this issue with Ubuntu
[06:12] <Kilos> every release has its own packages
[06:12] <mazal> I have way over 1gig of apt-get's to do on a new install
[06:12] <mazal> And it takes too long and too much data
[06:13] <Kilos> yip i know the feeling
[06:13] <mazal> So you think it won't work Kilos ?
[06:13] <Kilos> if your archives are for 12.04 they wont work on 12.10
[06:13] <mazal> :-(
[06:13]  * Kilos cries as well
[06:15] <mazal> But won't the 3rd party apps at least work ?
[06:15] <Kilos> even synaptic and software centre and update manager need the apt-get update or a reload from themselves to see whats available and whats in archives
[06:15] <mazal> For example , things like Thunderbird , Firefox , Handbrake etc. is the same version in 12.04 and 12.10 ?
[06:16] <superfly> morning people
[06:16] <Kilos> hi superfly am i right here?
[06:16] <superfly> Kilos: yes, you are.
[06:17] <Kilos> mazal, what mobile service are you using?
[06:18] <Kilos> 8ta has a 2gB+1gB bundle for R149 and only deduct R146
[06:18] <mazal> I am om ADSL Kilos , but only 384k
[06:18] <Kilos> 1gB is after 23.00
[06:19] <mazal> I literaly takes me up to 3 nights just for a install
[06:19] <Kilos> wow
[06:19] <mazal> I'm trying to get past the time factor
[06:19] <mazal> Yeah , just the multimedia is 400mb , and 384k that takes hours
[06:20] <mazal> Then I only did multimedia support and haven't even started with other apps I use
[06:20] <superfly> mazal: hasn't yours been upgraded to 1Mbps yet? I though Telkom was done with those upgrades
[06:20] <Kilos> i never get over 400kB/s but install from scratch and it only takes a few hours to get upgraded
[06:20] <mazal> Nope , we still on 384k , they are lying
[06:21] <mazal> as usual
[06:21] <sakhi> Morning
[06:21] <Kilos> hi sakhi 
[06:21] <Kilos> mazal, complain to their CEO
[06:22] <Kilos> they fixed my 8ta in 3 days if i member right
[06:22] <mazal> I wonder if there is an email adres or something that I can send mail and enquire
[06:22] <Kilos> yes i found one somewhere
[06:23] <mazal> Back when I was on 4mb I also did a machine in a few hours. But now , oi
[06:23] <Kilos> their ceo is also on twitter
[06:24] <Kilos> http://my.8ta.com/mobile-web/
[06:24] <mazal> 8ta not an option for me , no signal
[06:24] <mazal> Same with 3g
[06:24] <Kilos> eish
[06:25] <Kilos> http://www.ceoemail.com/african-companies.php
[06:25] <mazal> I tested a friends 8ta at my house and it was so slow that it couldn't even open speedtest to test LOL
[06:25] <Kilos> look in there for telkoms ceo mail addy
[06:25] <mazal> Ta Kilos
[06:25] <Kilos> yw
[06:25] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[06:26] <Kilos> http://www.telkom.co.za/about_us/mediacentre/press_release/articles/2011/article_1036.html
[06:27] <Kilos> http://www.telkom.co.za/emailcontact/home.htm
[06:27] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[06:27] <Kilos> hopefully one of them has his addy
[06:28] <Kilos> oh mazal on 8ta you actually have to fone them and they activate your sim card to do 3g
[06:29] <Kilos> sims not active by default
[06:29] <mazal> M friends 8ta was fully functional Kilos
[06:29] <mazal> At his house it runs fast , so the problem is signal at my place
[06:29] <Kilos> eish
[06:30] <mazal> Ek bly in 'n klein plekkie jong :P
[06:30] <Kilos> then you have 2 options with them. one is to ask for them to upgrade the closest tower or build another one closer
[06:30] <mazal> Cullinan
[06:30] <Kilos> they are actually very helpful
[06:31] <Kilos> yeah but cullinan must see a tower if there are any on the hills surrounding pta
[06:34] <Kilos> yo kodez 
[06:36] <kodez> uncle Kilos
[06:37] <mazal> I got a page that you can send a "product enquiry"
[06:37] <mazal> So I send an enquiry there. Will see what they reply. In my experience Telkom doesn't have good customer service at all. So will see what they reply
[06:38] <Kilos> they were more helpful for me than the other providers
[06:38] <Kilos> i think inetpro also has good reports about them
[06:39] <Kilos> they are trying ha to compete with voda mtn cellc etc
[06:39] <Kilos> hard
[06:45] <Kilos> they even advertise on the idiot box that if you get an adsl line you get a free 8ta 3g modem 
[06:45] <mazal> Idiot box ?
[06:45] <Kilos> tv
[06:46] <mazal> LOL ok , have to agree on that one lol
[06:50] <Kilos> has anyone got an idea if emails work to fax addresses
[06:51] <Kilos> addy looks very similar to an email addy
[07:18] <Kilos>  Fax:  zs6pjh@telkomsa.net
[08:28] <Symmetria> hahahhhaahhahahhahahhahha
[08:28] <Symmetria> syria claimed responsibility
[08:28] <Symmetria> for hurricane sandy
[08:28] <Symmetria> thats some hilarious crap right there
[08:28] <Kilos> lol
[08:31] <Symmetria> they made it using highly advanced technology
[08:31] <Symmetria> rotfl
[08:57] <Kilos> Symmetria, any luck with getting us any space onna host yet?
[09:32] <Kilos> hmm impatient
[09:41] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[09:41] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[09:41]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[09:41] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[09:41] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[09:41] <Banlam> sugar, pfft
[09:42] <inetpro> good mornings everyone and Kilos
[09:43] <Kilos> you allergic to sugar Banlam ?
[09:43] <Banlam> lol no
[09:43] <Banlam> i like sugar
[09:43] <Banlam> just not in my coffee
[09:44] <Kilos> oh my bitter coffee sucks
[09:44] <Kilos> i use double the sugar in coffee i use in tea
[09:45] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:45] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[09:45] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[09:45] <Kilos> Maaz, with sugar
[09:45] <Maaz> Help yourself outa the sugar pot
[09:45] <Kilos> see Banlam he doesnt put sugar in
[09:45] <Banlam> i know :) he said we must come with the correct amount of sugar
[09:46] <Banlam> so i said "pfft sugar"
[09:46] <Kilos> thats in tea man
[09:46] <Kilos> oh my 
[09:46] <Kilos> sorry i just read
[09:46] <Banlam> :)
[09:47] <Kilos> ai old age
[09:48] <Kilos> or just plain stupidity could also be the prob
[09:49] <charlvn> good morning
[09:49] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[09:49]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[09:50] <charlvn> i can't believe this is actually in the wiktionary: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/googlewhore
[09:50] <Kilos> lo charlvn 
[09:50] <charlvn> hi Kilos 
[09:51] <Kilos> haha should have googlepimp as well
[09:51] <Kilos> those that always tell me google is my friend
[09:53] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[09:59] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[09:59] <Maaz> charlvn: No problem
[10:14] <mazal> Lo charlvn 
[10:22] <mazal> Maaz: Start frying steak
[10:22] <Maaz> mazal: What?
[10:22] <mazal> Maaz: Put on chips
[10:22] <Maaz> mazal: Sorry...
[10:22] <mazal> oi
[10:38] <charlvn> hi mazal 
[11:08] <zeref> hmmm
[11:21] <zeref> anybody's ubuntu just log off without any error messages?
[11:22] <SmilyBorg> it's happened to me once or twice in the past. never found the cause though
[11:35] <zeref> :-(
[11:35] <zeref> I used to get gnome-seesion errors about memory unavaliable
[11:35] <Kilos> lol i like to believe thats when a virus or hacker tried to get in
[11:35] <zeref> but now nothing
[11:36] <Kilos> so it cuts them off
[11:36] <zeref> have to restart start to computer a couple of time before it's stable
[11:36] <zeref> Kilos: lol
[11:36] <Kilos> hehe
[11:36] <SmilyBorg> that sounds more like a hardware issue to me
[11:36] <Kilos> i had it often when using msn on pidgin
[11:37] <zeref> SmilyBorg: I was thinking the same, but When I upgraded my hardware still got the same
[11:37] <SmilyBorg> ouch
[11:38] <SmilyBorg> when you say upgrade. what hardware was changed?
[11:38] <zeref> mother and graphics
[11:39] <SmilyBorg> so you used your old ram?
[11:39] <zeref> oh and ram was changed to DDR3
[11:40] <SmilyBorg> k
[11:40] <SmilyBorg> odd that
[11:40] <zeref> got a good deal 4GB DDR3 for R200 :)
[11:41] <SmilyBorg> maybe bad power? minor power fluctuations can cause weird issues. Do you have a UPS?
[11:41] <Kilos> yeah ddr3 seems the way to go
[11:41] <Kilos> only mb and cpu cost
[11:41] <zeref> SmilyBorg: nope
[11:42] <SmilyBorg> looking forward to getting my new laptop on Friday. will just need to max out the ram with an extra 4GB dimm
[11:42] <SmilyBorg> ram is so cheep these days
[11:42] <zeref> one thing i did notice is that when i boot into windows, I get nvidia kernel error, with old and new GPU
[11:42] <zeref> sooo.....
[11:43] <SmilyBorg> hmm. tried a fresh install since upgrade?
[11:43] <zeref> yep
[11:43] <zeref> do you thinnk that another distro make a diff?
[11:43] <zeref> *difference
[11:44] <zeref> oh, still on 12.04 btw
[11:45] <SmilyBorg> no. shouldn't make a difference. if you are seeing issues in windows and linux, it really points to hardware in my mind
[11:46] <Kilos> zeref, maybe try upgrade the nvidia drivers on both systems
[11:46] <tonberry352_> sounds like xorg crashing
[11:47] <zeref> Kilos: for nvidia i use current
[11:47] <zeref> dont like the current-latest
[11:47] <Kilos> current didnt work here on 12.04
[11:48] <zeref> tonberry352_: I suspected that, but when no errors are shown
[11:48] <Kilos> had to use proprietry driver
[11:48] <zeref> kind of hard to pinpoint
[11:48] <zeref> Kilos: nvidia drivers are propriety
[11:49] <Kilos> dont you see aditional drivers in dash
[11:49] <Kilos> it shows what you need to do
[11:49] <zeref> yebo oom :)
[11:49] <Kilos> hehe
[11:51] <zeref> just to check, error messages can be found in dmesg, syslog, and xsessions?
[11:52] <zeref> seems stable now.....
[12:42] <Symmetria> whoa, rodriguez is coming back to south africa
[12:46] <mazal> Bye everyone
[12:46] <mazal> God bless
[12:46] <Kilos> cheers amz
[12:46] <Kilos> you too
[12:46] <Kilos> ty
[12:57] <charlvn> mtnbusiness - that is the former verizon which was the former uunet right?
[13:28] <Squirm> our internet is so slow today
[13:28] <Squirm> :/
[13:29] <SmilyBorg> charlvn: yeah, that sounds about right if memory serves me correctly
[13:43] <charlvn> Squirm: what's up?
[13:43] <charlvn> SmilyBorg: a long time ago i used to work for one of the service agents of mweb, back when they used the uunet backbone, the network was extremely stable
[13:43] <charlvn> then they decided to move to IS and it pretty-much went down the drain :(
[13:44] <charlvn> i think they decided to just build their own network after that
[13:44] <SmilyBorg> sounds familiar
[13:45] <charlvn> later in time i worked as a consultant for a different company and the manager of the company used to do consulting work for IS
[13:45] <charlvn> he told me that IS had a culture of pushing their hardware and their network to the absolute limits
[13:45] <charlvn> i never had much involvement with IS myself (at least not directly) but he wanted to avoid IS at all costs
[13:46] <charlvn> we ended up using hetzner because they also used the verizon backbone (at the time)
[13:47] <inetpro> eish!
[13:47] <charlvn> there was one particular verizon router though, i think it was somewhere in johannesburg, and that one often introduced huge latency, it showed up clearly on traceroutes
[13:47] <charlvn> not sure if it was a faulty router or network congestion problems but it took them months to sort out, and it was a core router
[13:48]  * inetpro struggling today with users who think it should be normal to send messages with 600+ addresses in the TO field
[13:49] <SmilyBorg> eish. I hate that
[13:50] <inetpro> and when the PC gives a memory error when saving the message for record purposes it's the end of the world
[13:50] <charlvn> inetpro: i have seen people do this quite often internally in companies but when the mail goes external (with all the addresses) it's quite ugly
[13:50] <charlvn> that's strange, it shouldn't cause a memory error, should it?
[13:50] <inetpro> well in Outlook it does
[13:50] <charlvn> ah interesting
[13:51] <inetpro> and I'm actually glad it does because somewhere this has to stop
[13:51] <inetpro> simply crazy!
[13:51] <charlvn> but exchange has mailing lists / groups of some kind that can be configured right?
[13:52] <charlvn> most companies have those
[13:53] <inetpro> but exchange groups is still not a mailing list type solution
[13:53] <charlvn> no that's true
[13:54] <inetpro> I say do it the proper way with a mailing list and allow users to subscribe and unsubscribe themselves
[13:55] <charlvn> well it depends on the use case... for company-wide mails, exchange groups are perfect, but if subscription is optional, then a mailing list is the way to go
[13:55] <inetpro> I think it depends on the number of users
[13:55] <inetpro> groups are fine for small numbers
[13:56] <inetpro> groups are also fine for internal only
[13:56] <charlvn> well, i've seen exchange groups with hundreds or even thousands of members perform perfectly fine
[13:56] <charlvn> but yeah it's meant for internal only, definitely
[13:57] <inetpro> maintaining a database of users manually is fraught with human error
[14:01] <charlvn> well, if you can, you definitely want to automate it
[14:08] <Squirm> damn tired today
[14:16] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[14:37] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[14:39] <Kilos> you ok magespawn ?
[14:39] <magespawn> just slightly busy, and shop assistant-less
[14:41] <magespawn> got to go again see you later
[14:46] <Kilos> ok be well
[15:05] <Kilos> Maaz, seen sflr
[15:05] <Maaz> Kilos: sflr was last seen 1 month, 17 days, 6 hours, 35 minutes and 8 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-09-14 01:30:09 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2012-09-14 01:41:39 PDT
[15:05] <Kilos> the sh1t
[15:05] <superfly> Kilos: haai, oom! Sies!
[15:05] <Kilos> skuus man superfly 
[15:06] <Kilos> 1 1/2 months
[15:06] <Kilos> hope hes still alive
[15:06] <superfly> magespawn: you ever come right with that work query?
[15:13] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[15:14] <nlsthzn> hi uncle Kilos 
[15:19] <nlsthzn> all well, cold better?
[15:19] <Kilos> yes ty was a bad one
[15:19] <Kilos> still a bit weak feels like
[16:01] <nlsthzn> well glad you are feeling better uncle Kilos 
[16:02] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn 
[16:02] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[16:08] <Cantide> hello '-'
[16:13]  * nlsthzn goes to play a game before bed... night
[16:31] <Kilos> wbb
[17:14] <smile> :)
[18:08] <smile> brb :p
[18:09] <KilosK> evening all
[18:11] <KilosK> hi smileE17 
[18:11] <smileE17> you are in KDE ;)
[18:12] <KilosK> ya but now alert sound in xchat so gotta watch the screen
[18:12] <KilosK> hehe
[18:12] <KilosK> and i got it auto connection 3g
[18:24] <KilosK> nuvimob, hoe gaan dit
[18:24] <KilosK> jy is maar skaars ne
[18:25] <smileE17> :P
[18:25] <nuvimob> o/ hi oom 
[18:25] <nuvimob> ja nee,  nou is ons sonder water ook
[18:25] <smileE17> I always hate 3G on my cellphone :p so i would really hate it on my main computer
[18:25] <smileE17> 3g is really too slow :p
[18:26] <nuvimob> wetter het my fiets gesteel om weg te kom met al die koper krane buitekant asook die koper pype 
[18:26] <KilosK> eish nuvimob het jy al geskyf of nog selle plek
[18:26] <inetpro> nuvimob: sorry about your mongoose
[18:26] <inetpro> good evening
[18:26] <KilosK> lo inetpro 
[18:27] <nuvimob> :-/ thanks inetpro 
[18:27] <KilosK> eish nuvimob dis sleg
[18:27] <inetpro> nuvimob: did you report it yet?
[18:28] <nuvimob> so now we're without water, any water, because the geyser ran out too
[18:28] <inetpro> eish!
[18:28] <KilosK> eish
[18:28] <nuvimob> inetpro yeah, the police left now now
[18:28] <KilosK> hope geyser was switched off
[18:28] <inetpro> nuvimob: I know the feeling
[18:29] <nuvimob> geyser wasn't off oom kilos
[18:29] <inetpro> nuvimob: now please make sure they put a plastic meter in there, otherwise it won't be long until the next one is gone
[18:29] <KilosK> oh my then element will be blown too
[18:30] <nuvimob> no,  they didn't steal the meter,  as it is a plastic one already 
[18:30] <inetpro> ahh
[18:30] <inetpro> unbelievable how desperate these thugs are behind copper
[18:31] <nuvimob> moere :-( 
[18:31] <KilosK> sorry to hear ugly news like this nuvimob 
[18:31] <nuvimob> oh well
[18:31] <inetpro> even at church they stole a very small piece of copper gas pipes
[18:33] <KilosK> ai
[18:35] <inetpro> luckily it didn't result in a big bang
[18:36] <KilosK> we need some big bangs to blow these thieves to kingdom come
[18:39]  * inetpro is poegaai
[18:39] <inetpro> today went way to quickly
[18:40] <KilosK> go have an early sleep
[18:40] <inetpro> good idea
[18:40] <inetpro> but way to early still
[18:40] <KilosK> lol
[18:54] <nuvimob> at least here is some wine left :P
[18:56] <KilosK> lol
[18:57] <KilosK> bath in it
[19:00] <nuvimob> Ongelukkig is daar nie só baie nie oom kilos 
[19:06] <KilosK> ai
[19:08] <KilosK> inetpro, gaan slaap nou
[19:09] <inetpro> KilosK: hoekom?
[19:09] <KilosK> sodat jy more goed voel
[19:09] <KilosK> jy word oud nou
[19:12] <inetpro> lol
[19:13] <inetpro> KilosK: stadig maar seker is ek besig om weer asem te vang
[19:13] <inetpro> maar geen stress, ek sal vroeg slaap
[19:14] <KilosK> jy is amper by die ouderdom waar jy langs die bed n suurstof bottel aan hou
[19:14] <KilosK> ek is darem daar verby
[19:15] <KilosK> superfly, all good there?
[19:24] <KilosK> night all. i go crash now so pc can rest
[19:24] <KilosK> see you morrow
[19:24] <KilosK> nag nuvimob moed hou seun
[19:36] <smileE17> bye
[19:36] <Kerbero> o/
[20:34] <charlvn> good evening
[20:34] <charlvn> hi Kerbero 
[20:34] <Kerbero> bonsoir
[20:35] <charlvn> konbanwa minasan
[21:03] <charlvn> nn all