[05:33] morning geeks [05:55] hi Tonberry [05:56] hi Squirm [05:56] hello [06:03] Môre almal , morning all [06:03] dag mazal [06:03] Gaanit oom Kilos ? === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg [06:04] goed dankie en daar? [06:04] hi SmilyBorg [06:04] Raasie baie nie , maar net besig :P [06:04] Morning :-) [06:04] Morning SmilyBorg [06:04] :-)> [06:04] hard work making smiley things [06:08] I have a question re /var/cache/apt/archives [06:08] Scenario: [06:08] what about them [06:08] Fully updated 12.04 with loads of 3rd party apps installed [06:08] ok [06:08] All .debs in that folder backed up [06:08] Now [06:09] If I format and install a 12.10 pc [06:09] Copy that debs to that location [06:09] And run all my install commands [06:09] Will it install everything from that cache ? [06:09] no good. packs are release related if im not mistaken [06:09] The 12.10 pc is not on internet [06:10] oh [06:10] you mean the 12.10 archives [06:10] I can't see any release info in the packages [06:10] you need to get the first apt-get-update [06:10] I thought it might work [06:10] that also looks whats in archives to see what you got [06:11] I think I need to try this [06:11] you can use a cell to connect just for the first update [06:12] You see , because off all the time and data it takes for a new build I only use LTS and this keeps me away from always using the latest version [06:12] I am trying to get past this issue with Ubuntu [06:12] every release has its own packages [06:12] I have way over 1gig of apt-get's to do on a new install [06:12] And it takes too long and too much data [06:13] yip i know the feeling [06:13] So you think it won't work Kilos ? [06:13] if your archives are for 12.04 they wont work on 12.10 [06:13] :-( [06:13] * Kilos cries as well [06:15] But won't the 3rd party apps at least work ? [06:15] even synaptic and software centre and update manager need the apt-get update or a reload from themselves to see whats available and whats in archives [06:15] For example , things like Thunderbird , Firefox , Handbrake etc. is the same version in 12.04 and 12.10 ? [06:16] morning people [06:16] hi superfly am i right here? [06:16] Kilos: yes, you are. [06:17] mazal, what mobile service are you using? [06:18] 8ta has a 2gB+1gB bundle for R149 and only deduct R146 [06:18] I am om ADSL Kilos , but only 384k [06:18] 1gB is after 23.00 [06:19] I literaly takes me up to 3 nights just for a install [06:19] wow [06:19] I'm trying to get past the time factor [06:19] Yeah , just the multimedia is 400mb , and 384k that takes hours [06:20] Then I only did multimedia support and haven't even started with other apps I use [06:20] mazal: hasn't yours been upgraded to 1Mbps yet? I though Telkom was done with those upgrades [06:20] i never get over 400kB/s but install from scratch and it only takes a few hours to get upgraded [06:20] Nope , we still on 384k , they are lying [06:21] as usual [06:21] Morning [06:21] hi sakhi [06:21] mazal, complain to their CEO [06:22] they fixed my 8ta in 3 days if i member right [06:22] I wonder if there is an email adres or something that I can send mail and enquire [06:22] yes i found one somewhere [06:23] Back when I was on 4mb I also did a machine in a few hours. But now , oi [06:23] their ceo is also on twitter [06:24] http://my.8ta.com/mobile-web/ [06:24] 8ta not an option for me , no signal [06:24] Same with 3g [06:24] eish [06:25] http://www.ceoemail.com/african-companies.php [06:25] I tested a friends 8ta at my house and it was so slow that it couldn't even open speedtest to test LOL [06:25] look in there for telkoms ceo mail addy [06:25] Ta Kilos [06:25] yw [06:25] hi psydroid [06:26] http://www.telkom.co.za/about_us/mediacentre/press_release/articles/2011/article_1036.html [06:27] http://www.telkom.co.za/emailcontact/home.htm [06:27] hi Kilos [06:27] hopefully one of them has his addy [06:28] oh mazal on 8ta you actually have to fone them and they activate your sim card to do 3g [06:29] sims not active by default [06:29] M friends 8ta was fully functional Kilos [06:29] At his house it runs fast , so the problem is signal at my place [06:29] eish [06:30] Ek bly in 'n klein plekkie jong :P [06:30] then you have 2 options with them. one is to ask for them to upgrade the closest tower or build another one closer [06:30] Cullinan [06:30] they are actually very helpful [06:31] yeah but cullinan must see a tower if there are any on the hills surrounding pta [06:34] yo kodez [06:36] uncle Kilos [06:37] I got a page that you can send a "product enquiry" [06:37] So I send an enquiry there. Will see what they reply. In my experience Telkom doesn't have good customer service at all. So will see what they reply [06:38] they were more helpful for me than the other providers [06:38] i think inetpro also has good reports about them [06:39] they are trying ha to compete with voda mtn cellc etc [06:39] hard [06:45] they even advertise on the idiot box that if you get an adsl line you get a free 8ta 3g modem [06:45] Idiot box ? [06:45] tv [06:46] LOL ok , have to agree on that one lol [06:50] has anyone got an idea if emails work to fax addresses [06:51] addy looks very similar to an email addy [07:18] Fax: zs6pjh@telkomsa.net [08:28] hahahhhaahhahahhahahhahha [08:28] syria claimed responsibility [08:28] for hurricane sandy [08:28] thats some hilarious crap right there [08:28] lol [08:31] they made it using highly advanced technology [08:31] rotfl [08:57] Symmetria, any luck with getting us any space onna host yet? [09:32] hmm impatient [09:41] hi inetpro [09:41] Maaz, coffee on [09:41] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [09:41] Maaz, coffee for all [09:41] Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already [09:41] sugar, pfft [09:42] good mornings everyone and Kilos [09:43] you allergic to sugar Banlam ? [09:43] lol no [09:43] i like sugar [09:43] just not in my coffee [09:44] oh my bitter coffee sucks [09:44] i use double the sugar in coffee i use in tea [09:45] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [09:45] Maaz, ty [09:45] You are welcome Kilos [09:45] Maaz, with sugar [09:45] Help yourself outa the sugar pot [09:45] see Banlam he doesnt put sugar in [09:45] i know :) he said we must come with the correct amount of sugar [09:46] so i said "pfft sugar" [09:46] thats in tea man [09:46] oh my [09:46] sorry i just read [09:46] :) [09:47] ai old age [09:48] or just plain stupidity could also be the prob [09:49] good morning [09:49] Maaz: coffee on [09:49] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [09:50] i can't believe this is actually in the wiktionary: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/googlewhore [09:50] lo charlvn [09:50] hi Kilos [09:51] haha should have googlepimp as well [09:51] those that always tell me google is my friend [09:53] Coffee's ready for charlvn! [09:59] Maaz: thanks [09:59] charlvn: No problem [10:14] Lo charlvn [10:22] Maaz: Start frying steak [10:22] mazal: What? [10:22] Maaz: Put on chips [10:22] mazal: Sorry... [10:22] oi [10:38] hi mazal [11:08] hmmm [11:21] anybody's ubuntu just log off without any error messages? [11:22] it's happened to me once or twice in the past. never found the cause though [11:35] :-( [11:35] I used to get gnome-seesion errors about memory unavaliable [11:35] lol i like to believe thats when a virus or hacker tried to get in [11:35] but now nothing [11:36] so it cuts them off [11:36] have to restart start to computer a couple of time before it's stable [11:36] Kilos: lol [11:36] hehe [11:36] that sounds more like a hardware issue to me [11:36] i had it often when using msn on pidgin [11:37] SmilyBorg: I was thinking the same, but When I upgraded my hardware still got the same [11:37] ouch [11:38] when you say upgrade. what hardware was changed? [11:38] mother and graphics [11:39] so you used your old ram? [11:39] oh and ram was changed to DDR3 [11:40] k [11:40] odd that [11:40] got a good deal 4GB DDR3 for R200 :) [11:41] maybe bad power? minor power fluctuations can cause weird issues. Do you have a UPS? [11:41] yeah ddr3 seems the way to go [11:41] only mb and cpu cost [11:41] SmilyBorg: nope [11:42] looking forward to getting my new laptop on Friday. will just need to max out the ram with an extra 4GB dimm [11:42] ram is so cheep these days [11:42] one thing i did notice is that when i boot into windows, I get nvidia kernel error, with old and new GPU [11:42] sooo..... [11:43] hmm. tried a fresh install since upgrade? [11:43] yep [11:43] do you thinnk that another distro make a diff? [11:43] *difference [11:44] oh, still on 12.04 btw [11:45] no. shouldn't make a difference. if you are seeing issues in windows and linux, it really points to hardware in my mind [11:46] zeref, maybe try upgrade the nvidia drivers on both systems [11:46] sounds like xorg crashing [11:47] Kilos: for nvidia i use current [11:47] dont like the current-latest [11:47] current didnt work here on 12.04 [11:48] tonberry352_: I suspected that, but when no errors are shown [11:48] had to use proprietry driver [11:48] kind of hard to pinpoint [11:48] Kilos: nvidia drivers are propriety [11:49] dont you see aditional drivers in dash [11:49] it shows what you need to do [11:49] yebo oom :) [11:49] hehe [11:51] just to check, error messages can be found in dmesg, syslog, and xsessions? [11:52] seems stable now..... === Kerbero is now known as Kerbero[afk] [12:42] whoa, rodriguez is coming back to south africa [12:46] Bye everyone [12:46] God bless [12:46] cheers amz [12:46] you too [12:46] ty === Kerbero[afk] is now known as Kerbero [12:57] mtnbusiness - that is the former verizon which was the former uunet right? [13:28] our internet is so slow today [13:28] :/ [13:29] charlvn: yeah, that sounds about right if memory serves me correctly [13:43] Squirm: what's up? [13:43] SmilyBorg: a long time ago i used to work for one of the service agents of mweb, back when they used the uunet backbone, the network was extremely stable [13:43] then they decided to move to IS and it pretty-much went down the drain :( [13:44] i think they decided to just build their own network after that [13:44] sounds familiar [13:45] later in time i worked as a consultant for a different company and the manager of the company used to do consulting work for IS [13:45] he told me that IS had a culture of pushing their hardware and their network to the absolute limits [13:45] i never had much involvement with IS myself (at least not directly) but he wanted to avoid IS at all costs [13:46] we ended up using hetzner because they also used the verizon backbone (at the time) [13:47] eish! [13:47] there was one particular verizon router though, i think it was somewhere in johannesburg, and that one often introduced huge latency, it showed up clearly on traceroutes [13:47] not sure if it was a faulty router or network congestion problems but it took them months to sort out, and it was a core router [13:48] * inetpro struggling today with users who think it should be normal to send messages with 600+ addresses in the TO field [13:49] eish. I hate that [13:50] and when the PC gives a memory error when saving the message for record purposes it's the end of the world [13:50] inetpro: i have seen people do this quite often internally in companies but when the mail goes external (with all the addresses) it's quite ugly [13:50] that's strange, it shouldn't cause a memory error, should it? [13:50] well in Outlook it does [13:50] ah interesting [13:51] and I'm actually glad it does because somewhere this has to stop [13:51] simply crazy! [13:51] but exchange has mailing lists / groups of some kind that can be configured right? [13:52] most companies have those [13:53] but exchange groups is still not a mailing list type solution [13:53] no that's true [13:54] I say do it the proper way with a mailing list and allow users to subscribe and unsubscribe themselves [13:55] well it depends on the use case... for company-wide mails, exchange groups are perfect, but if subscription is optional, then a mailing list is the way to go [13:55] I think it depends on the number of users [13:55] groups are fine for small numbers [13:56] groups are also fine for internal only [13:56] well, i've seen exchange groups with hundreds or even thousands of members perform perfectly fine [13:56] but yeah it's meant for internal only, definitely [13:57] maintaining a database of users manually is fraught with human error [14:01] well, if you can, you definitely want to automate it [14:08] damn tired today [14:16] wb magespawn [14:37] hey Kilos [14:39] you ok magespawn ? [14:39] just slightly busy, and shop assistant-less [14:41] got to go again see you later [14:46] ok be well [15:05] Maaz, seen sflr [15:05] Kilos: sflr was last seen 1 month, 17 days, 6 hours, 35 minutes and 8 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-09-14 01:30:09 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2012-09-14 01:41:39 PDT [15:05] the sh1t [15:05] Kilos: haai, oom! Sies! [15:05] skuus man superfly [15:06] 1 1/2 months [15:06] hope hes still alive [15:06] magespawn: you ever come right with that work query? [15:13] hi nlsthzn [15:14] hi uncle Kilos [15:19] all well, cold better? [15:19] yes ty was a bad one [15:19] still a bit weak feels like [16:01] well glad you are feeling better uncle Kilos [16:02] ty nlsthzn [16:02] hi Cantide [16:08] hello '-' [16:13] * nlsthzn goes to play a game before bed... night [16:31] wbb [17:14] :) [18:08] brb :p [18:09] evening all [18:11] hi smileE17 [18:11] you are in KDE ;) [18:12] ya but now alert sound in xchat so gotta watch the screen [18:12] hehe [18:12] and i got it auto connection 3g [18:24] nuvimob, hoe gaan dit [18:24] jy is maar skaars ne [18:25] :P [18:25] o/ hi oom [18:25] ja nee, nou is ons sonder water ook [18:25] I always hate 3G on my cellphone :p so i would really hate it on my main computer [18:25] 3g is really too slow :p [18:26] wetter het my fiets gesteel om weg te kom met al die koper krane buitekant asook die koper pype [18:26] eish nuvimob het jy al geskyf of nog selle plek [18:26] nuvimob: sorry about your mongoose [18:26] good evening [18:26] lo inetpro [18:27] :-/ thanks inetpro [18:27] eish nuvimob dis sleg [18:27] nuvimob: did you report it yet? [18:28] so now we're without water, any water, because the geyser ran out too [18:28] eish! [18:28] eish [18:28] inetpro yeah, the police left now now [18:28] hope geyser was switched off [18:28] nuvimob: I know the feeling [18:29] geyser wasn't off oom kilos [18:29] nuvimob: now please make sure they put a plastic meter in there, otherwise it won't be long until the next one is gone [18:29] oh my then element will be blown too [18:30] no, they didn't steal the meter, as it is a plastic one already [18:30] ahh [18:30] unbelievable how desperate these thugs are behind copper [18:31] moere :-( [18:31] sorry to hear ugly news like this nuvimob [18:31] oh well [18:31] even at church they stole a very small piece of copper gas pipes [18:33] ai [18:35] luckily it didn't result in a big bang [18:36] we need some big bangs to blow these thieves to kingdom come [18:39] * inetpro is poegaai [18:39] today went way to quickly [18:40] go have an early sleep [18:40] good idea [18:40] but way to early still [18:40] lol [18:54] at least here is some wine left :P [18:56] lol [18:57] bath in it [19:00] Ongelukkig is daar nie só baie nie oom kilos [19:06] ai [19:08] inetpro, gaan slaap nou [19:09] KilosK: hoekom? [19:09] sodat jy more goed voel [19:09] jy word oud nou [19:12] lol [19:13] KilosK: stadig maar seker is ek besig om weer asem te vang [19:13] maar geen stress, ek sal vroeg slaap [19:14] jy is amper by die ouderdom waar jy langs die bed n suurstof bottel aan hou [19:14] ek is darem daar verby [19:15] superfly, all good there? [19:24] night all. i go crash now so pc can rest [19:24] see you morrow [19:24] nag nuvimob moed hou seun [19:36] bye [19:36] o/ [20:34] good evening [20:34] hi Kerbero [20:34] bonsoir [20:35] konbanwa minasan [21:03] nn all === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za