[01:55] <claydoh> Quintasan: pong, but I probably won't be around much the next 36 hours :(
[01:55] <claydoh> SteveRiley: afiestas nice teatime :)
[02:17] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I don't know.
[02:17] <ScottK> I can ask.
[02:36] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: debfx pointed me to this: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[07:19] <Tm_T> good morning
[07:55] <ScottK> Tm_T obviously went to bed earlier than ScottK if he thinks there's anything good about morning.
[08:05] <Tm_T> ScottK: I went to sleep a bit before 0100
[08:05] <Tm_T> and woke up before 0700
[08:06] <ScottK> That was several hourse befor I did.
[08:06] <Tm_T> (:)
[08:07] <SteveRiley> claydoh: thanks! it was fun.
[08:08] <SteveRiley> afiestas: enjoyed the interview, thanks for the invitation
[08:08] <afiestas> SteveRiley: :p
[08:11] <SteveRiley> afiestas: where are you? your "office" is conspicuously empty
[10:08] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1073845] qt application did unexpect action when maximize @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1073845 (by 孙渊汇)
[10:16] <yofel> bah, missed the session
[10:22] <Riddell> yofel: SteveRiley volunteered to do everything
[10:25] <yofel> SteveRiley++
[10:27] <udsslayer> :P
[10:33] <Riddell> udsslayer: bounced on e-mail about kdevelop packages to you
[10:35] <udsslayer> sure
[10:36]  * udsslayer isn't sure what xdebug does tbh, but I'll have a talk with the KDevelop people as to what can be done
[10:37] <udsslayer> yofel: ^ you know php stuff right?
[10:40] <yofel> it tries to print a backtrace in the error log, instead of just the failure message
[10:41] <SteveRiley> Riddell: somebody's gotta take on the boring shit^H^H^H^H documentation so that the rest of you guys can keep cranking out kick ass software
[10:41] <yofel> + some other things
[10:41] <SteveRiley> besides, i like to write. yes, i am a freak.
[10:54] <udsslayer> Quintasan_: you need to be in B4 M9
[10:55] <yofel> hm
[10:55]  * yofel goes to listen to that too
[10:56] <yofel> except that they have no microphone there :(
[10:57]  * yofel listens to b3-m1 instead
[11:00] <udsslayer> heh
[11:02] <SteveRiley> heard in b4-m7: "hybrid graphics should work, for some definitions of 'work,' modulo bugs"
[11:03] <udsslayer> I told you :P
[11:08] <Quintasan_> udsslayer: I do?
[11:08] <udsslayer> yes
[11:08] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu group photo, 13:00 on the hotel 1st floor bridge
[11:08] <Quintasan_> udsslayer: I was kind of counting that agateau would wake me up when he did get up but that sort of did not work
[11:08] <udsslayer> haha
[11:08] <Quintasan_> :D
[11:08] <udsslayer> you're still in your room?
[11:09] <udsslayer> or did you just arrive ?
[11:09] <Quintasan_> well, I went to bed at 5 in the morning
[11:09] <udsslayer> right
[11:09] <Quintasan_> udsslayer: room, looking for my Kubuntu shirt
[11:09] <udsslayer> ^_^
[11:10] <udsslayer> Quintasan_: good thing I didn't stick around :P
[11:10] <udsslayer> would have not been able to attend anything this morning
[11:10] <Quintasan_> actually I find it rather beneficial but that's a whole different topic
[11:10] <udsslayer> ScottK: ^ we need someone in the B4 M9
[11:10] <udsslayer> s/the//
[11:10] <kubotu> udsslayer meant: "ScottK: ^ we need someone in  B4 M9"
[11:11] <udsslayer> Quintasan_: beneficial to the hotel, yes :P
[11:11] <Quintasan_> udsslayer: I can go there right away
[11:11] <udsslayer> Quintasan_: oh ok
[11:12] <udsslayer> Quintasan_: I asked ogra how they got arm ppa's and how we can get one of those as well
[11:12] <udsslayer> Quintasan_: apparently the arm build is build as the root user on actual hardware
[11:12] <udsslayer> so it's unpossible at the moment for someone to get ARM for a public PPA
[11:17] <yofel> udsslayer: well, worst case we can just use raring-proposed, if Scott doesn't kill us
[11:17] <Quintasan_> udsslayer: why do you need android iso ?
[11:17] <udsslayer> haha
[11:18] <udsslayer> Quintasan_: for N7
[11:18] <Tm_T> my dear friends
[11:18] <Quintasan_> Tm_T: ?
[11:19] <Tm_T> what do you say about the idea of having ubuntu classroom session about Kubuntu community?
[11:19] <Tm_T> I would be willing to do it if need be
[11:19] <udsslayer> Tm_T: at UDS or sometime later on?
[11:19] <Tm_T> sometime later on
[11:19] <yofel> didn't we sort of have that already during open week?
[11:19] <Tm_T> yofel: but outside those events too
[11:20] <yofel> hm, I was thinking that those events gather people. But on the other hand we would at least have interested people listening if we do it outside the schedule
[11:21] <Tm_T> yup
[11:21] <Tm_T> not replacing, but as an addition
[11:21] <Tm_T> it could be from development POV, documentation POV, or whatever we want
[11:27] <Quintasan> udsslayer: this is totally not interesting
[11:28] <Quintasan> all I learned is that you need to package some tools and the resulting image won't be that much different from ac100 image
[11:28] <Quintasan> also, jenkins integration but that was done in ac100 so it's perfectly replicable
[11:31] <Quintasan> udsslayer, Riddell: We're in a little bit of trouble
[11:32] <Quintasan> nvflash does not accept anything bigger than 670mb because of some sort limitation
[11:32] <Quintasan> BUT
[11:32] <Quintasan> the tarball itself is 546mb
[11:33] <Quintasan> because after unpacking it adds some inodes etc
[11:33] <Quintasan> and it makes the whole thing be like 670mb
[11:33] <Quintasan> so we can't have more that 550 mb of data
[11:33] <Quintasan> that's what I undertstood
[11:34] <Quintasan> I believe we want to have a core system there and install everything later
[11:37] <mikhas> Quintasan, didnt find you near the conference registration booth @ 11am
[11:37] <Quintasan> mikhas: I believe I'm in the left side of the same room :P
[11:38] <Quintasan> mikhas: jokes aside, sorry for that
[11:38] <mikhas> only it's no longer 11am
[11:38] <mikhas> np
[11:38] <Quintasan> I stayed up for unreasonable amounts of time
[11:38] <Quintasan> and kind of assumed my roomate waking up would wake me up as well
[11:39] <Quintasan> but that turned out to be quite ineffective
[11:39] <Quintasan> mikhas: If that's okay, I'd like to get this done after lunch
[11:39] <mikhas> right, let me check after-lunch sessions
[11:41] <Quintasan> I believe those are lightning talks on the last day
[11:41] <mikhas> yup
[11:41] <Quintasan> i.e go up the scene and say whatever the hell you want :P
[11:42] <mikhas> how about 3pm then, after the lightening talks?
[11:42] <mikhas> conference registration booth again
[11:43] <udsslayer> Quintasan: oic
[11:43] <Quintasan> mikhas: Okay.
[11:43] <mikhas> great
[11:43] <udsslayer> that seems a bit of trouble :(
[11:45] <Quintasan> udsslayer: come to the damn android images room before the session ends
[11:46] <Quintasan> udsslayer: mfisch offered to explain that stuff in detail
[11:46] <Quintasan> and I want someone else to hear that as well
[11:46] <Quintasan> to make sure I'm not making things up :p
[11:51] <Quintasan> udsslayer: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:51] <SteveRiley> quintasan: what do you need?
[11:51] <SteveRiley> oh, a second listener
[11:52] <Tm_T> weeeeee
[11:52] <Quintasan> SteveRiley: I just want to push stuff on shadeslayer instead of doing everthing alone :P
[11:54] <mikhas> the sweet secrets of delegation
[12:01] <SteveRiley> on our way for photo
[12:02] <udsslayer> Quintasan: coming 
[12:02] <udsslayer> where are you 
[12:05] <udsslayer> drat
[12:06] <Riddell> udsslayer: photo!
[12:06] <Riddell> ScottK: !
[12:07] <Riddell> mikhas: coming for a photo?
[12:07] <Riddell> Tm_T: photo!
[12:07] <mikhas> Riddell, where? when?
[12:07] <mikhas> I am looking a bit sick though.
[12:07] <mikhas> got the ubuflu
[12:07] <Riddell> mikhas: just now on the hotel 1st floor bridge
[12:08] <mikhas> uh ok, give me 3min
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:06] <Tm_T> agateau: I might need that mascot back btw
[13:07] <Tm_T> or toy or whatever
[14:48] <Tm_T> ok, has anyone seen sabdfl today?
[14:48] <Tm_T> should we do guerilla attack, one distracting him, one putting some Kubuntu sticker(?) in front of him and third taking a picture or something like that?
[14:52] <smartboyhw> lol
 ScottK: notes about ubiquity are in the pad, please discuss =) highlight me on irc if you are typing a question for me =)
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> all of qapt's rdepends are transitioned to qapt2 in -proposed, but it still won't move to release :(
[15:18] <Riddell> xnox: is manual lvm, crypt etc in 12.10?
[15:58] <highvoltage>     from PyKDE4.kdecore import *
[15:58] <highvoltage> anyone know what provides PyKDE4.kdecore?
[15:59] <udsslayer> highvoltage: pykde?
[15:59] <highvoltage> ah seems like it was python-kde4
[16:08] <highvoltage> agateau: did you have some initial kidmp packaging already?
[16:08] <highvoltage> (working on some know and was just hoping that I'm not doing duplicate work)
[16:22] <highvoltage> agateau: well, I at least have a lintian clean package for kidmp :)
[16:28] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1074033] Menu from menu button in titlebar opens in wrong position/direction on multiscreen setup @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1074033 (by mlx)
[16:30] <ScottK> highvoltage: pykde4 is the source package.  python-kde4 is the binary (we fixed the binary naming for python3 - that's python3-pykde4),
[16:41] <highvoltage> ScottK: ah thanks
[16:46]  * apachelogger stumbles in and mumbles things about bugs everywhere
[16:54] <udsslayer> apachelogger: fix them
[16:54] <apachelogger> too depressive
[16:54]  * apachelogger merges kubuntu settings
[16:55] <udsslayer> :P
[16:55] <Quintasan> mfw when udsslayer attempts to convince apachelogger to do something
[16:55] <Quintasan> :D
[16:59] <apachelogger> mfw?
[17:00] <apachelogger> kubuntu-netbook-settings vs. kubuntu-settings-netbook?
[17:01] <apachelogger> no opinions?
[17:01] <apachelogger> :O
[17:08] <yofel> apachelogger: didn't we decide to just merge it into -desktop ?
[17:09] <yofel> I mean, it won't have an effect anyway unless you run plasma-netbook
[17:10] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[17:10] <apachelogger> not like I care
[17:10] <apachelogger> BUT
[17:11] <apachelogger> say we add artwork to one of them that is not relevant to any other
[17:12] <apachelogger> to that extent I'd totally have a base-settings package upon which everything cascades
[17:18] <yofel> they all end up on the same image... so that sounds like heavy over-engineering
[17:18] <yofel> well, at least if you then plan to still keep desktop and netbook seperate
[17:19] <yofel> might make sense for active
[17:23] <apachelogger> yofel: for desktop and netbook merging would make sense
[17:24] <apachelogger> however the point of base would be to have less unrelated crap for active
[17:24] <apachelogger> also low-fat
[17:32] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1073071] vlc cannot disable power management features @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1073071 (by Manuel López-Ibáñez)
[18:53] <yofel> JontheEchidna: any reason why you made libmuonprivate1 depend on kdesudo?
[18:53] <JontheEchidna> it invokes the binary to run software-properties-kde
[18:54] <JontheEchidna> *libmuonprivate1 invokes kdesudo to run software-properties-kde
[18:54] <yofel> well, shouldn't sofware-properties-kde rather depend on kdesudo? Or would that conflict with gksu?
[18:55] <yofel> see the discussion in #kubuntu for why I'm askin
[18:55] <yofel> g
[18:55] <JontheEchidna> software-properties-kde itself doesn't need kdesudo, and libmuonprivate1 is actually calling kdesudo, so it would seem proper that libmuonprivate1 would invoke it
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> software-properties-kde just needs to run as root
[18:58] <yofel> the complaint was that muon is removed once kdesudo is removed 
[18:58] <yofel> although the issue with kdesudo is something I'm not even sure should be fixed...
[18:59] <yofel> JontheEchidna: wouldn't a recommends be enough?
[18:59] <yofel> (or did users break stuff with that?)
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> if it wasn't there, the menu item to launch software-properties-kde wouldn't work
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> I'm not particularly sympathetic to that case at any rate, kdesudo could fit on a floppy 10 times
[19:02] <JontheEchidna> (the menu item within Muon, I didn't make that clear)
[19:15] <yofel> *sigh*
[23:00] <bulldog98> yofel, Quintasan: did you guys found out if my revisions were causing that problems?