[00:00] simplew: pong [00:00] lol useless.... mmm !hyperthetically. Same here ot a fan of macs or iphones either [00:01] yofel: just a minute [00:02] what bs lol, im off [00:05] simplew: re your other ping: I live in Europe, so pinging me at 5AM during the week is probably futile ;) [00:24] Hello? [00:25] How do i chat? [00:27] you write! [00:27] oh great [00:27] i have a question about ubuntu? [00:27] kubuntu actually [00:28] Hello? [00:29] Im assuming the number of names to the right is not an accurate indicator of people present in chat [00:30] Peabot: just go ahead and ask your question, if someone is here and knows the answer they'll reply [00:33] yea [00:33] Ok. I dont currently have a USB or writable disk handy, and instead reformatted an external HDD connected to my USB, should this work? I have not had success booting from USB. [00:33] Ive tried it once, like using it as a hard drive you mean? [00:33] USB external hard drive? [00:34] Yes but its a SATA drive, not USB flash per se [00:36] I am going to try one more time. [00:36] yofel: hi [00:37] yofel: still there? [00:37] simplew: yes, but not for long [00:38] yofel: i haveperformed a kubuntu install, that the problem in dlphin root persists, isnt possibleto run KDE apps unde dolphin root, but it does non KDE apps, like for example libreoffice [00:39] yofel: in dolphin root when trying to open a test file with kwrite or kate appears a msg error about KDEINIT [00:40] sounds like something is unset, and it ends up being unable to connect to the running KDE instance [00:40] yofel: lie you know i did open a bug report in bugs.kde.org, would it be better to open a bug report in launchapd also? [00:41] yofel: are you running 12.10 lean install? [00:43] nope, meshed together 13.04 system. I would need a VM to really debug this [00:43] -> tomorrow [00:43] simplew: you can file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug kdesudo' if you want [00:44] Probably nobody tested this. We don't really have many applications that require kdesudo [00:45] simplew: give me the bug # when it's done, maybe I'll find some time to look at it tomorrow. I won't promise anything though. [00:45] * yofel is off to bed [00:46] yofel: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309233 [00:46] KDE bug 309233 in general "unable to run kde applications from dolphin as root" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [00:47] yofel: good sleep [01:29] issue with gmail... kmail reoports "unknown transport protocol unable to send message" and evolution says "unable to authenticate to smtp server \n bad athentication response from server " both of them "fetch" mail just fine, but can't send. and i have checked and rechecked the settings/port,address,name,password... several times. anyone have thoughts on this ? [01:46] intelikey: What port are you using for smtp? [01:49] I'm using port 587 with encryption. Works for me with Thunderbird. [01:51] darthfrog just learning how to switch channels in this irc client 0.o but yes 587 and it should work but the error message suggests that it's on my end not the server [01:52] Try this command at the command line: "sudo iptables -F" and try sending again. [01:52] darthfrog checked the filter nothing blocked [01:54] same error "unrecognized transport protocol..." [01:55] Any chance your ISP is blocking access to the Gmail server? Mine won't let me connect to port 25 on any machine but their mail servers. [01:56] could be but the test telnet gmail.com -p 587 connects [01:57] errr partial ^ [01:57] Hehe, that was what I was about to ask you. [01:57] Can you do an ehlo? [01:57] ehlo ? [01:57] sup [01:57] Do the telnet command, then "ehlo " [02:03] darthfrog yeah it's working fine. so my smtp protocol ? errr can i actually have a problem with smtp ? [02:03] intelikey: Here's my SMTP settings in Tbird: http://imagebin.org/234119 [02:03] Works ferpectly. [02:06] darthfrog yeah that's very much like my settings it's crazzzie i know. [02:13] intelikey: I'm fresh out of ideas, sorry. Not out of wine, though, fortunately. :-) [02:13] hehe cheers. ty for the thoughts [02:14] One more thing just occurred to me: have you ruled out it being a problem with your router? [02:17] yo [02:24] yo, so whenever I click "Configure software sources" in muon, it simply updates the packages list, but it doesn't pop up a dialog allowing me to configure the sources [02:24] has anyone seen this type of behaviour? === LordOfTime is now known as TheLordOfTime === darth is now known as Guest53399 === chucknorris is now known as chuckJR === chuckJR is now known as chuck_JR [04:22] having problem with ati driver in kubuntu. can anyone help? [04:27] have ati driver problem. wont install if i download driver and do myself [04:29] are u downloading an exe file? [04:30] its a zip file for linux [04:30] is there any way to install an old version of ia32-libs that actually works on 12.04? [04:31] how to install propriatary drivers kubuntu [04:31] no drivers avaiable [04:31] john, there are many linus distro's [04:31] it may be a zip for rpm [04:32] kubunt12.4 i believeu [04:32] can u find any files in there that are .deb? [04:32] hardware drivers show no option to install fgrlx [04:32] i unziped it in terminal then chmod a+x [04:32] hmm [04:33] sh run it executes then says something when i pick a install version [04:33] does x run ur drive well right now? [04:34] I assume u have tried the extra driver installer tool? [04:35] yea bt i cant play certain games well with out the third party driver. distro offers alternative driver but its not the same.glxgears doesnt run well [04:35] hmm [04:36] i have a feeling that driver is incompatable with ur current Kubuntu... [04:36] glxgears runs fine with default install driver but game doesnt run well with it [04:36] hmm seems others cant install propritary drivers eaither [04:36] in the past, the game worked fine with the driver download (ubuntu 8 and previous versions) [04:37] ubutnu 10* [04:38] i cant install drivers from the site. had this problem the last two year with ubuntu. works fine with other distros just not these ones [04:38] yea, have u tried the upgrade to ubuntu 12.10? [04:38] there was lso a fix version that came out 12.04.1 [04:38] also> [04:39] not yet, but i assume i would have the same problem based on previous experiences upgrading with previous versions these last few years [04:39] i have seen new long terms break what was once good... [04:39] part of the licencing junk [04:39] yea [04:40] u maybe sol my friend [04:40] i can try upgrading. a friend said his system was fine after upgrade. [04:40] mine is [04:40] i have faith in the new kubuntu [04:40] actually Kubuntu is working better than Ubuntu 12.10 at the moment [04:40] on my systems [04:41] me too :) [04:43] I hope u find an answer, but if it stopped working i am sure its cause the driver became not available to the Ubuntu world anymore [04:45] in the past i downloaded all ati drivers from the site and instaled themtion of ubuntu and kubuntu, manually. worked in older distribu [04:45] these last few versions of ubuntu have been very unstable for me [04:46] window users are impressed with this new kubuntu version [04:50] hi [04:50] hi [04:50] yea John, I have seen things work in older and break in newer, as well as backwards... there os so much that goes on behind closed doors to keep Linux down [04:50] does anyone here know how to set up a wifi connection only using the CLI ? [04:50] iwconfig failed for me, using /etc/interfaces also did not work out [04:51] and wpa_supplicant could be the last solution but I'm kinda disappointed [04:51] what wifi chip u have? [04:51] i think your right nine. skype works better now that microsoft bought them out. [04:51] yea [04:52] Marius80, is ur wifi broadcom? [04:52] nine_, I just try to find an anwer [04:52] fact is, I've got no clue :( [04:53] what laptop? [04:53] broadcom = dhcp? [04:53] toshiba [04:53] no [04:53] yes, it's a toshiba laptop [04:53] when i was using a broadcom, i used madwifi drivers sometimes and they worked [04:53] broadcom is the chipset that sends receives wifi signals [04:53] that was 4 years ago [04:55] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1383717 [04:56] nine_, he goes the syslog [04:56] http://pastebin.com/bX2NijWH [04:57] Marius80, u may need to contact realtek and get a wifi driver [04:57] nine_, actually it has worked before [04:57] I installed a driver using ndiswrapper [04:58] then I could connect to wifi's [04:58] before what? [04:58] before I moved into my new flat [04:58] in this flat, I could not connect to the wifi [04:58] so I uninstalled the network manager in KDE [04:58] and installed wicd [04:58] so in gui ur wifi still see's available connections? [04:58] since wicd also produced errors, I decided going back to the good, old shell [04:59] yes, the GUI shows me everything [04:59] oh haha [04:59] and I can connect to wifi at my workplace [04:59] and school [04:59] everywhere [04:59] just not at home :) [04:59] Marius80: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [04:59] Marius80: its not homesick then :P [04:59] Sorry FloodBotK1 [04:59] that'a an ip issue [05:00] I bet its not in ur laptop nor Kubuntu but in a setting inside ur Wifi router [05:00] t sounds very much like an IP conflict [05:00] might be, but it works from windows and mac os [05:01] and I cannot tell my room mate to change it :) [05:01] so u have no control over it hey [05:01] nine_, how comes that mac os and windows can connect? [05:02] depending on the setting, there are many reasons it will not accept a connection from ur linux, including computer name [05:03] lol, is my router a racist? [05:04] nine_, can we check if I did it right? [05:04] lol, i'd have to know what protction settings he hhas on that router to tell u that answer [05:05] 1 more question [05:05] /etc/network/interfaces contains: [05:05] auto lo [05:05] iface lo inet loopback [05:05] auto wlan0 [05:05] iface wlan0 inet dhcp [05:05] wpa-ssid name_of_the_network [05:05] Marius80: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [05:05] find out if he is running 802.1g, or 802.1n [05:05] how? [05:06] nine_, http://pastebin.com/dFBSt8yX [05:06] then I only do "ifup wlan0" [05:06] is this wrong? [05:06] check on line google to see the format that the specific router is running, Linux has no ability to connect to 802.1n at this time [05:06] is there anything missing? [05:07] doesn't look like it, I am sure its a setting on his router [05:07] or its only broadcasting in 'N' format [05:08] specially if its working fine other places [05:08] it has nothing to do with ur computer [05:08] so I need to find out the router name at first [05:09] one moment please [05:10] nine_, I just found something out [05:10] maybe I always used the wrong SSID [05:10] is the SSID what I see as name of the available networks? [05:10] or is the SSID what the router tells me at the bottomside? === pjoe_afk is now known as pjoe [05:11] hmm [05:11] i am rusty at the technical side [05:11] 1 minute [05:12] no the ssid is the name u need to connect with [05:13] then u have to maaake sure what broad cast format he is using like wep [05:14] wpa4 [05:14] if he's using wpa enterprise [05:14] or personal [05:14] I am looking up the modem [05:14] one moment please [05:16] nine_, cannot find any further infos about the modem [05:17] is my /etc/network/interfaces file correct? [05:17] how would you connect using the shell? [05:17] again, if the format isn't correct u won't be able to connnect any way but direct wire [05:18] how smart is he in wifi security? [05:18] who? [05:18] my room mate? [05:18] he may have it set up in ways only licenced OS's can connect [05:18] yea [05:18] oh my goodness [05:19] actually he does not have any clue about PC's [05:19] or again if he is broadcasting only in 802.1n then u will not be able to connect [05:19] lol [05:19] I try what happens if I use a cable [05:20] will be back soon (hopefully) [05:20] Apple now used 'n' as a standard, but not even son ps3's use the "n" standard yet [05:33] well after the ungrade no improvment in the propriortary driver install. i will try to mess with it tomorrow [05:45] hello [05:46] i installed kubuntu on my file server. i use x11 forwarding as a login to it, to open konsole. i'm wondering if i can disable loading kde on it on boot, to save ram, if that's possible [05:46] uhm [05:47] kdm even [05:47] can i load xorg on boot instead of kdm? [05:47] i'm new to this x11 forwarding. i'm not sure how it all works [05:48] ashes: simple enough to check, kill kdm from ssh connection, [05:48] ashes: unless you need to drive 100 miles if things go wrong, then don't [05:48] how would i set this up on boot though? [05:49] no. it's in the same room with me [05:49] i think i want to load xorg instead of kdm [05:49] ashes: kdm is being called from ???? brb [05:49] and see if that wrks [05:49] i didn't set up kdm. kubuntu did [05:49] ashes: xorg loads kdm [05:50] xorg > kdm [05:50] i think [05:50] i understand that [05:50] but i am not familiar with the ubuntu or debian /etc configuration files [05:50] let me see where kdm is loaded on my end ashes [05:51] ashes: i figure in the end they all basically do the same thing [05:51] yes, but the boot scripts load different files [05:52] i'm a bsd person [05:52] if this was bsd, i wouldn't be asking any questions [05:53] debian is very different to me [05:56] ashes: well then for starters, install 'recoll' , think of it as 'google for the system' , have it index the key config dir/folders, then search in recoll for key words, too simple [05:57] ok [05:57] uh [05:57] if i search for kdm, it will get a lot of hits though [05:57] you are on bds and i am on opensuse, so you are still out of luck [05:58] ashes: true it would, but only certain ones matter, the ones in conf/rc/etc like places, and the ones that point to the 'man' for kdm even [06:01] ashes: this will work with little overhead and less pain, install another display manager, say 'openbox' , light as it gets, have the server come-up on openbox, that will reduce overhead and still allow for a ssh -x session [06:05] uhm [06:05] i want kde [06:05] i want konsole [06:05] ok [06:05] if kdm has to run, that's ok. i was just hoping to save a bit of ram [06:06] just for efficiency [06:06] i'm not familiar with anything else [06:07] ashes: sure, konsole from ssh should run regardless of the other sides dm, i ssh into a ubuntu server from a kde on opensuse, i get gnome on this end, i don't have gnome installed on this end [06:08] ashes: but i don't have full blown out gnome install on the server, get it? [06:08] i understand i don't need kde on the client end, but i run kde on all ends because it's what i am familar with. i'll typically install the same apps on all machines [06:08] i'm not trying to save disc space, only ram [06:09] ashes: fine, on the server, install qtrazor, its about as light kde as there is, the server should then run light with all the options avail to run bloated, [06:10] but with kde, i'm guessing that apps depend on other kde apps running [06:10] ashes: i have been talking ram bloat [06:10] ok [06:10] ashes: the apps bring up what they need to run, as long as they are avail [06:11] i use this server as an android build system, and file server. ram is valuable [06:11] it has 4gb [06:12] ashes: i just rooted and installed android on a kindle 6.3.1 , so you know android/>? [06:13] i know toolchains. i am learning android [06:13] that was my first experience with root and android [06:13] i can't say i know any of it [06:13] i have built a native kernel, built on my arm box, and booted it on my phone [06:13] i can't find the reset-default on android eveb [06:14] android is difficult, because half of it is closed source [06:14] ashes: really? who owns it? [06:14] bsd source can be closed source [06:14] and so android roms can be closed source [06:15] making something great from android source takes a lot of work [06:15] so far i am liking android on the kindle tablet, with google store its wonderful, lots nicer than a kindle-fire stock [06:16] and finding full discloser developers is not easy [06:16] i stopped using google market. i use f-droid because all apps are open source [06:17] ashes: i assume i can do the same, how would i? web site? [06:17] repo? [06:17] f-droid [06:17] it's a market replacement [06:17] i don't want to replace, can't add another? [06:17] sure [06:18] you can add it [06:18] we should move over to #android, someone is going to throw a fit here soon [06:18] f-droid is a free android app store [06:18] sure [06:19] /j #android === adrian is now known as Guest96774 [07:53] BluesKaj, mein Kubuntu froze yesterday with the nividia-current. === kubuntu is now known as Guest83345 [09:55] Hello! If someone, not english-spleaking, downloads Kubuntu, and install its... he sees all the messages in English. This didn't happen in previous Kubuntu versions because the DVD had other languages inside. Is this way or only happens to me? [09:58] Teo_: you can press F6 when the DVD boots and change language [09:59] You should be able to change language when you choose to install as well, even if you initially booted in English [09:59] hateball: Yes, they you can choose another language. But when the installation is complete, you reboot your computer and then you see all the messages in English. [10:00] As I know some English, I can look for options to install another language files, but people that doesn't know English, can they install Kubuntu? [10:00] Teo_: That shouldn't happen if you selct a different language during the install. [10:01] Maybe I should fill a bug? [10:01] Teo_: actually you only need to press any key what so ever when the DVD boots to change language [10:02] hateball: This was that way in previous Kubuntu editions, with the DVD. But now, without a 4 GB edition, everything is in English after rebooting [10:02] Teo_: Well it's possible that if you don't have an internet connection during install it wont download the language packages === schmidtm_ is now known as schmidtm [10:03] hateball: Yes, I installed it without an internet connection === pjoe is now known as pjoe_afk [10:19] Teo_: depends on the language, there are some languages shipped on the image, the rest needs an internet connection [10:19] otherwise you need to install them later [10:20] yofel: I tried to install Kubuntu in Spanish and when I rebooted, I saw all the texts in English. Maybe there are no other languages than English. Anyway, thanks for confirming that you need an internet connection for installing language files [10:21] Going into the language config post-install (with internet connection) should trigger downloading the missing language packs [10:21] Of course that depends on reading english well enough to find that [10:22] Yes, I'm afraid that billions of people can't do that :-( === schmidtm_ is now known as schmidtm [10:23] well then either you install with internet, or make a custom DVD with languages included [10:26] I would like to note that, in previous Kubuntu versions, people hadn't to do those things, because they had a 4GB DVD edition. Does someone think this is a new bug? === monkeyjuice is now known as mydognameisrudy === mydognameisrudy is now known as mydogsnameisrudy [10:28] Teo_: we're missing the notifier "language packs not entirely installed, should I install them?" in this release, it's tasked to add it back for next one [10:29] Riddell: Thanks, it happened to me, too. [10:30] Teo_: well there is a 3.2GB DVD... isnt spanish on that? [10:30] hateball: Wait, where is that? [10:30] I havent done a new install on 12.04 with anything other than english so I dunno [10:30] Teo_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/release/ [10:31] hateball: That's for "precise" :-) [10:31] Teo_: oh! I'm behind the times :> [10:31] * hateball usually just runs LTS [10:32] hateball: The situation for the latest Kubuntu seems to have changed, and I found it a little weird [10:32] Teo_: Yeah I see that now, sorry [10:32] You are helping as much as you can :-) . Thanks, anyway! === k is now known as nevsky === Kvaks is now known as Kvakz [11:06] derp, i just hid the menubar in quassel. how do I get it back? [11:09] nvm, ctrl+m === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === Kvakz is now known as Kvaks [11:20] Anyone Can help me for backtracing the konsole please? I don't why it is crashing today when i am trying to select text on it [11:24] discovered: doesn't the crashhandler (drkonqi) start when it crashes? [11:24] yofel, I installed the minimal kde , So i am not sure if that package installed [11:25] it's part of kde-runtime which pretty much has to be installed. === gerald_sdg is now known as Guest33323 [11:26] discovered: does your ~/.xsession-errors have any useful information? === Vito_away is now known as Vito [11:32] yofel, http://pastebin.com/hGXvYsWu [11:32] I copied last lines [11:34] probably the X Errors. But I have no idea how to debug those right now :/ [11:37] Perhaps the same problem https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303390 but for me it is happening when trying to select any text from knosole. [11:37] KDE bug 303390 in general "Konsole crashes when selecting invalid unicode character." [Crash,Resolved: fixed] === crow_ is now known as Moriarty === Moriarty is now known as crow_ === david is now known as Guest34040 [11:43] yofel, crashhandler is a packager? [11:44] no, drkonqi is the kde crash handling application, I was just wondering why that wasn't triggered === Kvaks is now known as Kvakz === Kvakz is now known as Kvaks [12:17] buongiorno [12:17] ho appena installato kubundu :) [12:18] c'è qualcuno che mi da qualche info al riguardo? === gary is now known as Guest19287 === Kvaks is now known as Kvakz === Kvakz is now known as Kvaks === luca__ is now known as luc4 [12:44] I update with muon updater whenever there are available updates. Quite often, it tells be a reboot is necessary. Any idea which packages are causing this? It's annoying and feels a bit like I [12:44] ... like I'm in Microsoft land. [12:47] ciaoo [12:47] !list [12:47] diego: No warez here! This is not a file sharing channel (or network); read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot ». If you're looking for a channel, see « /msg ubottu !alis ». [12:49] Kvaks: commonly a kernel update requires a reboot. But you can delay as long as you want. [12:54] Hey all [12:54] luc4: Ok. Maybe there should be a way to exclude kernel updates unless they are critical. [12:55] Kvaks: In many package managers you can lock the version number. [12:56] or he could remove the kernel meta packages. That won't remove the kernel, but will prevent future updates [12:57] Kvaks: most of the time it's easiest to just ignore the reboot notification though [12:57] or you can hide it in the tray [12:58] Yeah, I guess. Keep the kernel updates and only reboot when I would reboot for other reasons? [12:58] right [12:58] Agreed have been doing that for many days now on my server :) [12:59] Graf_Westerholt, what were you doing when your system froze? Also take a look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors [13:02] BluesKaj, it was two days ago or so. I do not know what I did but it happens randomly. [13:03] Xorg.0.log says [ 50.002] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory [13:10] Graf_Westerholt, that's just your direct rendering which your system can run without in desktop effects.That error shouldn't freeze anything [13:12] I think there may be a bug in kwin [13:17] BluesKaj, but why cannot I switch to the terminal with CTRL+ALT+F1 ? [13:19] Graf_Westerholt, is your KB locked ? [13:19] When Kubuntu freezes? It seems so. I cannot switch tho the terminal. [13:20] I pressed CTRL+ALT+F1 and after that I pressed CTRL+ALT+DEL. I guess Linux should reboot then, but it did not. [13:21] no , I mean when you try to switch to the TTY [13:21] I can do it now. [13:21] Can log in at TTY. [13:23] Graf_Westerholt, , ok seems you need an xorg.conf file , at the TTY , sudo service lightdm or kdm stop, then sudo nvidia-xconfig , then startx [13:24] Why do I need an xorg.conf? [13:25] yo, anyone tried the preload package with kubuntu/kde? [13:25] Graf_Westerholt, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xorg.conf [13:26] BluesKaj, I know what the Xorg.conf is, but I thougt today you do not need it anymore. [13:26] read further , some nvidia products do [13:27] xixor, preload package ? [13:27] BluesKaj, I guess Xorg.conf will not help, because it runs fine, just freeze a few weeks or days. [13:27] Graf_Westerholt, besides it can't hurt to have one [13:28] Sure, I'll try, but I guess it will not help. [13:28] wait, what driver is even being used? (from dri/card0 it sounds like nouveau) [13:28] Graf_Westerholt, how do know it won't help [13:28] BluesKaj, feeling. ;) [13:28] yofel, I installed nvidia-current. [13:29] then you need an xorg.conf I believe [13:29] or it'll still try to use nouveah [13:29] I think [13:29] yofel, I had the nouveau before the nvidia-current and it froze. [13:29] does it use the nvidia driver? [13:30] It uses the nvidia. [13:30] Graf_Westerholt, run , glxinfo | grep OpenGL [13:31] hm, then the driver should be fine at least [13:31] I guess it is not the driver. But what can freeze the system? [13:32] OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation [13:32] OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 9300 GE/PCIe/SSE2 [13:32] OpenGL version string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 304.43 [13:32] OpenGL shading language version string: 3.30 NVIDIA via Cg compiler [13:32] OpenGL extensions: [13:33] well you have the nvidia 304.43 driver alright [13:34] then the xorg file should help keep things stable , but since it happens so seldom it could be a kwin anomaly bug [13:35] Is there a log-file for kwin? [13:39] Graf_Westerholt, i think it will show in the Xorg logs [13:39] ok [13:39] don't see a kwin log [13:39] I try the Xorg.conf and wait. [13:41] Going to create the xorg.conf. Bye! [13:42] nvidia-xconfig , Graf_Westerholt [13:42] BluesKaj, sorry? [13:42] that's the command , with sudo [13:43]