[10:16] <max246> hello
[10:38] <Deluxo> Hello
[10:39] <Deluxo> I am stuck with liststore. Im using quickly on ubuntu 12.10
[10:40] <Deluxo> i want to create such list, so that it would automatically create entries, based on data written in txt file
[10:43] <Deluxo> anyone?
[18:06] <BigWhale> Greetings
[18:06] <BigWhale> man! man! http://askubuntu.com/questions/210639/opening-a-gtk-window-that-covers-launcher-and-panel
[19:55] <jrgifford> zoopster:  interesting idea (re: last email)
[19:55] <jrgifford> (to the mailing list)
[19:56] <zoopster> jrgifford: yea...that's how it is "supposed" to work, but that process is a bit more cumbersome I do believe.
[19:56] <zoopster> jrgifford: and your question about arb help...I think you sent the correct link
[19:57] <jrgifford> zoopster: does it have anything to do with the fact we want debian packages?
[19:57] <jrgifford> last i checked, the mac app store was a single file - the .app thing.
[19:57] <jrgifford> zoopster:  ok, thats what I thought. I'll try and poke through the submissions tonight, leave some comments on the requests.
[19:57] <zoopster> jrgifford: it has more to do with the need for "proper" debian packages
[19:58] <zoopster> jrgifford: there are a lot of packages provided...but if you dig into the comments they are missing items to make them proper packages
[19:58] <jrgifford> zoopster: oh, so proper by-the-book-100%-right-no-errors-allowed packages.
[19:59] <zoopster> jrgifford: pretty much...proper copyright and such as well
[19:59] <jrgifford> ugh. i've done packaging for simple python scripts, and this is pretty difficult. :(
[20:00] <jrgifford> particuarly since nobody builds them the same way. mac apps? you can't really build a non-.app mac app. same for windows with .exe. :\
[20:01] <zoopster> jrgifford: it's not real difficult...there is just a lot that you can/could do so it's not obvious in some cases...look at some simple packages in the archive and you'll see it's rather straightforward... debhelper helps a lot
[20:02] <zoopster> jrgifford: and you are right...mac/ios apps are simpler as are apk for android
[20:02] <zoopster> jrgifford: but apple has the same issue...they have a 2-4 wk minimum review time
[20:04] <jrgifford> zoopster: isn't quickly supposed to remove 99% of this pain? i'm not entirely sure if these guys are using quickly or not...
[20:07] <zoopster> jrgifford: yes, but some are not and some don't add the proper info to the files even when using quickly
[20:23] <jrgifford> zoopster: ok.
[20:24] <jrgifford> so perhaps a change in policy, in order to keep it from getting cluttered: If something is wrong, and if it isn't a minor thing (like a single tyop or whatever), then it just gets rejected, with a note saying "please fix A, B, C etc and resubmit" ?
[20:25] <jrgifford> from what I understand, thats how the competition does it.
[20:26] <jrgifford> granted, they are also dealing with a lot more apps, but they are also able to make effective use of their human resources - which the arb seems to be a little low on.
[23:40] <JanC> jrgifford / zoopster : maybe people who want their app included into Ubuntu but who aren't experienced with Ubuntu/Debian packaging can "outsource" packaging to (more experienced) others?
[23:46] <JanC> maybe there should be a list somewhere of third parties that can handle packaging (and maybe also proper cross-platform porting) and their "success list" (packages that they successfully prepared)