[04:20] <kaushal> Hi
[04:22] <kaushal> Can someone please comment on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2012-November/265008.html
[04:48] <kaushal> #ubuntu checking in again for the query?
[04:49] <kaushal> testing
[08:08] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:09] <ahayzen> AlanBell, morning :)
[08:12] <diplo> Morning all
[09:33] <BigRedS> Gooood morning!
[09:34] <czajkowski> BigRedS: ello
[09:34] <BigRedS> Ello ello
[09:34] <BigRedS> Is your back any better now?
[09:36] <kvarley> I've just got a laptop and it's shipped with Windows 8 on it. What are my options for getting Ubuntu on there? At this stage do I have to disable UEFI?
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> nah, Ubuntu can do UEFI
[09:37] <kvarley> So it should just be a case of changing the boot order?
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> put in the Ubuntu CD (or an USB stick made with Ubuntu's own USB disk maker)
[09:37] <SuperMatt> you won't need to change the boot order, you can install side by side on different partitions, and it'll update the boot loader for you
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> and it should show up in the "boot devices" menu
[09:38] <AlanBell> kvarley: I think you need to use the 64 bit CD
[09:40] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Ok, thanks
[09:40] <kvarley> AlanBell: Thanks, I am doing :)
[09:40] <kvarley> I was resisting wiping Windows 8 straight away but thought it best to test the laptop before messing with it
[09:40] <kvarley> But I can't take it anymore
[09:43] <kvarley> Pretty cool, it has just worked out of the box
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> *\o/*
[09:47] <kvarley> Time to get Ubuntu on this thing, back later
[09:52] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: The partition table is horrible
[09:55] <AlanBell> kvarley: is it another "4 primary partitions, all used up"
[09:56] <kvarley> Yeah at least, I think there may have been 5
[09:56] <kvarley> A mix of fat32 and ntfs
[09:56] <kvarley> Horrible
[09:56] <AlanBell> can't be 5 :)
[09:56] <kvarley> Oh yeah :P
[09:56] <kvarley> They couldn't have made it harder to get rid of Windows 8
[09:56] <kvarley> I can't actually get rid of it either because of the warranty on the laptop
[09:57] <AlanBell> :(
[09:57] <kvarley> Would be easier to buy an SSD and put that in rather than figuring out how to dual boot it
[09:57] <AlanBell> yup
[09:57] <AlanBell> not a bad solution tbh
[09:58] <kvarley> I think doing that would void warranty too
[09:58] <kvarley> Well, if the drive somehow caused other parts to fail
[09:58] <popey> kvarley, what laptop?
[09:58] <AlanBell> really?
[09:58] <kvarley> The warranty seems to rule out a lot of things on the fist page
[09:58] <kvarley> Unless I have the permission of samsung
[09:58] <popey> got a link?
[09:58] <kvarley> popey: NP535UC-A02UK
[09:59] <kvarley> I'll get you a link
[09:59] <popey> no, i mean, a link to the warranty
[09:59] <kvarley> popey: Doesn't seem to be on their support page
[10:00] <kvarley> http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/model/NP535U3C-A02UK-downloads
[10:00] <popey> search for a set of 3 words on the first page, on google
[10:00] <popey> in quotes
[10:02] <ali1234> you needs windows to claim on the warranty? "oops, the hard drive seems to have failed"
[10:02] <popey> http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/warranty/warrantyInformation.do?page=POLICY.WARRANTY
[10:02] <kvarley> popey: " if the computer, included hardware and preloaded software, has been  modified, altered and/or repaired by persons other than Samsung or  Samsung's authorized service centers:"
[10:02] <popey> lol
[10:02] <ali1234> how they going to know it's been modified after the hard drive has failed?
[10:02] <kvarley> Lol
[10:02] <popey> http://www.samsung.com/hk_en/mysamsung/product/myssMyProductRegist2.do?page=PRODUCT.REGISTRATION
[10:03] <popey> you haven't modified the software or the hardware
[10:03] <popey> you have _replaced_ it
[10:03] <kvarley> popey: Hehe
[10:03] <kvarley> I'm just concerned that their warranty terms are so broad
[10:03] <popey> its a serious point
[10:04] <AlanBell> and registering for the extended warranty requires internet explorer
[10:04] <popey> phone them up and ask
[10:04] <AlanBell> it is a serious point, and probably in contravention of EC regulations
[10:04] <AlanBell> but it would cost quite a bit to challenge it
[10:05] <kvarley> AlanBell: True
[10:05] <AlanBell> and I don't know if anyone with the deep pockets required has the appetite to do so
[10:05] <chalcedony> do official repair people put labels on their work or otherwise identify that they did it?
[10:06] <diplo> chalcedony: Only thing I remember they used to do was seal one or more of the screws so they can see if it's been tampered with
[10:07] <diplo> Not sure if they still do that though
[10:07] <diplo> I had to take my brand new one apart to upgrade ram
[10:07] <diplo> As HP hid one of the slots under the keyboard...
[10:09] <kvarley> diplo: I just took the screw out to the service hatch and it seems clean
[10:11] <diplo> For me I'd go with swapping out SSD to be honest
[10:11] <kvarley> diplo: me too
[10:11] <diplo> Apple allow you to change it without voiding
[10:12] <diplo> Anything that is user serviceable is ok
[10:12] <popey> i have had to have 3 laptops repaired over the years, never had a problem with it running linux
[10:12] <kvarley> I think the reason it is so broad is because if you install a drive and it breaks the whole system they don't wanna have to cover it
[10:12] <popey> only had to explain to the people that it wasnt running windows
[10:12] <kvarley> popey: :)
[10:12] <popey> so can't do their silly tests
[10:12] <diplo> Just read on samsung site that it doesn't
[10:12] <diplo> Other machine though
[10:13] <kvarley> popey: They don't even do those tests half the time, I've had bad experiences with a certain manufacturer not testing my laptop before they sent it back to me
[10:13] <diplo> http://www.samsung.com/us/support/SupportOwnersFAQPopup.do?faq_id=FAQ00032140&fm_seq=32308
[10:13] <AlanBell> swapping out spinning rust for SSD is just a good idea all round
[10:13] <diplo> Upgrading the hard drive will not void the warranty. However, if your computer requires service and the problem is caused by the upgraded hard drive, Samsung is not responsible for the hard drive or problems caused by the upgraded hard drive.
[10:14] <kvarley> I totally agree AlanBell
[10:14] <kvarley> The only noise is the HDD unless I'm doing something really intensive
[10:14] <kvarley> diplo: Thanks :D
[10:14] <livingdaylight> greetings
[10:14]  * diplo loves byobu so can do 2 screens
[10:15]  * AlanBell wonders about pre-installed SSD as an Ubuntu distribution method
[10:16] <livingdaylight> indirectly connected to Ubuntu: looking for a linux-compatible laser printer. Any hot recommendations?
[10:16] <ali1234> get a network printer
[10:16] <livingdaylight> ideally, has wifi, and scanning capabilities too.
[10:16]  * diplo agress
[10:16] <diplo> Agrees*
[10:17] <AlanBell> livingdaylight: network printer, possibly one with google cloud print
[10:17] <livingdaylight> wifi = network printer?
[10:17] <livingdaylight> AlanBell, any particular /specific recommendation. Its a sea of printers out there
[10:19] <popey> hp
[10:20] <livingdaylight> so, no one has a laser printer they're satified with they'd like to recommend?
[10:21] <ali1234> i have a HP 4L that i am satisfied with
[10:21] <livingdaylight> I'm still presuming wifi = network
[10:21] <ali1234> i'm mainly satisfied with it because it still works after nearly 20 years
[10:21] <AlanBell> livingdaylight: wifi=network, yes
[10:21] <livingdaylight> AlanBell, thx
[10:21] <ali1234> but if i were going to buy a new one it would be network
[10:21] <AlanBell> it might not have an ethernet port, but that is fine if you are fine with it
[10:21] <AlanBell> I don't have a printer with cloud print, but there was a UDS session about it
[10:21] <popey> livingdaylight, i said "hp"
[10:21] <ali1234> i would get one with both
[10:22] <ali1234> i could ask my brother which one he's got, i nkow that works with linux and has wifi and ethernet
[10:22] <livingdaylight> popey, you did mention a make - thx. I was rather after a particular /specific make AND model, though. Thx, again
[10:22] <popey> its hard to give a model number other than "the one I have"
[10:23] <popey> which is no good because its discontinued
[10:23] <popey> and you may have differing requirements than I do
[10:23] <AlanBell> livingdaylight: do you want small and cheap or big and expensive?
[10:23] <popey> do you want small, need a display, need large cartidges, multi-colour carts etc etc
[10:24] <popey> its not just as simple as "what printer should I buy?"
[10:24] <livingdaylight> well, I'd like it to be linux-compatible - of course - aside from that, wifi, and scanning would be welcome additional features. Color would be ideal too, but that then becomes yet more expensive. Would like to keep it under £100 if possible
[10:24] <ali1234> dont get a built in scanner
[10:24] <ali1234> just get a good printer
[10:25] <popey> see I differ from ali1234 because I want a built in scanner
[10:25] <ali1234> and a good, separate scanner
[10:25] <popey> i dont want two devices
[10:25] <popey> thus proving my point :)
[10:25] <ali1234> why d you want built in?
[10:25] <livingdaylight> space is premium here, so, built in is nice, but apparently not a common feature in laser printers
[10:25] <popey> i wanted a scanner/printer/fax/copier combo
[10:25] <popey> i dont want a separate scanner taking up space
[10:25] <ali1234> combo devices are always inkjet because you're getting a cheap horrible printer and a cheap horrible scanner
[10:26] <popey> i dont care
[10:26] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:26] <popey> it's good enouhg for my use
[10:26] <popey> *enough
[10:26] <ali1234> if you just want to replace a fax/copier then fine, you dont care about quality
[10:26] <ali1234> so it depends
[10:26] <livingdaylight> popey, i didn't just say I want to buy a printer. I specified 'laser' which I hoped would narrow it down combined with the ideal additional functionalities mentioned, i.e. wifi, scanning and perhaps color.
[10:27] <ali1234> yeah, yeah, we still need more information though
[10:27] <AlanBell> I have not seen many laser printers with scanners
[10:27] <ali1234> ok my brother has HP Laserjet CP1515n and i know it works very well with ubuntu
[10:27] <AlanBell> I guess they get sold as photocopiers
[10:27] <livingdaylight> just thought there would be some already-clearly-emerging winners here to be recommended. I 'll just keep googling and reading reviews then
[10:28] <ali1234> apparently it is replaced by 1518 but i have no idea how well that works
[10:28] <livingdaylight> ali1234, thx, I'll look that up
[10:28] <ali1234> it doesn't have a scanner though
[10:28] <livingdaylight> ali1234, most don't, it seems. Might have to have a separate one for that then.
[10:29] <ali1234> i have an old canon scanner which still works really well
[10:29] <livingdaylight> there is also the running costs. Reading reviews they seem to break the cost down to x-pennies per page
[10:30] <ali1234> yep
[10:30] <ali1234> also you want to look at the replacabled
[10:30] <livingdaylight> Like there was a Brother printer that cost 4.6 p per page which apparently was quite costly to another one which was 3.6 /page
[10:30] <ali1234> cos it's not just toner with lasers
[10:31] <ali1234> there is a waste toner cartridge and the charge thing
[10:31] <ali1234> both need replacing
[10:31] <ali1234> the HP i have has everything in one cartridge
[10:31] <ali1234> so it will never wear out
[10:32] <ali1234> new cartridge is basically a new printer
[10:32] <ali1234> ah photoconductor roller
[10:32] <ali1234> make sure that's replacable
[10:33] <livingdaylight> thx for the tips ali1234
[10:33] <ali1234> it should usually be in the carts
[10:34] <ali1234> sometimes it's a separate part though
[10:38] <theopensourcerer> Gosh - the new Orion IDE from the Eclipse looks nice. In-broswer, seems quite quick.
[10:40] <ali1234> eclipse made something fast?
[10:40] <Flashtek> AlanBell: alive ?
[10:42] <Flashtek> I could do with some help getting this camera thing working...
[10:42] <ali1234> i agree with that blog post from the other day. a sensible language doesn't need an IDE beyond syntax highlighting and bracket matching.
[10:43] <directhex> i love typeahead
[10:44] <directhex> especially when it's smart, e.g. if i type "mymethod(" it offers a drop-down list of applicable variables to pass to mymethod which are in scope and are the correct type (or can be implicitly converted)
[10:45] <directhex> tl;dr: monodevelop!
[10:45] <mungojerry> my laserjet 4plus is still rocking
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> directhex: What are these "types" you speak of? ;)
[10:47] <directhex> everything has a type, even if you pretend it doesn't
[10:47] <directhex> dynamic typing != no typing
[10:47] <ali1234> typeahead is a feature that makes my hard drive chug for 5 seconds every time i add or remove a character?
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: yes
[10:48] <directhex> ali1234, someone needs a cache
[10:49] <ali1234> typeahead is good when you don't know the language or standard library
[10:49] <ali1234> or your own code
[10:49] <AlanBell> Flashtek: aliveish :)
[10:50] <Flashtek> i have the image, but getting no control
[10:50] <directhex> ali1234, so we should make humans do tasks that computers are designed for, such as tracking object scope in a complex project?
[10:50] <directhex> should we also find any available dogs, and wag their tails for them?
[10:50] <AlanBell> Flashtek: no control through the built in UI?
[10:50] <ali1234> nah, we should ban languages where that's actually something you need to worry about
[10:51] <ali1234> starting with anything that claims to be object oriented
[10:51] <AlanBell> and burn all the books about them
[10:51] <ali1234> yes
[10:51] <Flashtek> AlanBell: if i use the webcams internal web server I can control the camera just fine
[10:51] <AlanBell> Flashtek: ok, cool
[10:51] <directhex> so no object oriented languages, no types, and no useful IDE
[10:52] <directhex> are we making assembly in vi the core of the ubuntu sdk, then?
[10:52] <AlanBell> Flashtek: so that camcontrol.py file needs to be set up with mod_python
[10:52] <ali1234> no, C in gedit
[10:52] <Flashtek> AlanBell: how do i do that then ?
[10:52] <AlanBell> or you can call it from the command line
[10:52] <ali1234> i never said you can't have types, that was someone else
[10:54] <Flashtek> ./camcontrol gox=100 goy=100 <-- correct ??
[10:54] <Flashtek> ./camcontrol.py gox=100 goy=100 <-- correct ??
[10:54] <directhex> call it the ubuntu-uk sdk, then
[10:56] <ali1234> i don't think there's really any way to defend a language that makes you type the same thing over and over and then make an IDE that types it for you. why even have it in the first place? if the IDE can figure it out, why can't the compiler?
[10:57] <ali1234> so yeah without the IDE you'd have to do more work. but you've chosen to do that work by your language choice
[10:57] <directhex> i can't even work out what that's an attack on. namespaces?
[10:57] <AlanBell> Flashtek: actually no, looks like the CLI stuff isn't there any more
[10:58] <ali1234> namespaces actually reduce this somewhere
[10:58] <AlanBell> Flashtek: I have to go do stuffs for a bit
[10:58] <ali1234> well, if you say "using namespace;" it does
[10:59] <kvarley> popey: Any ideas on how I can tell whether my laptop is SATA II or III ?
[11:01] <BigRedS> lshw?
[11:01] <einonm> kvarley: does palimpset tell you?
[11:02] <popey> or "disk utility" as we call it :)
[11:02] <kvarley> Checking now, booting from USB.
[11:02] <einonm> popey: Not from my lowly point on the command line, surely? :)
[11:03] <popey> people use the command line?
[11:03] <popey> wow
[11:03] <Flashtek> popey: I do
[11:03] <einonm> popey: it's probably so fast that you don't notice it
[11:03] <popey> super -> ut -> enter... disk utility starts \o/
[11:04] <einonm> \o/
[11:04] <popey> it doesnt specify if it's SATA II or SATA III as far as I can see
[11:04] <einonm> I did the same thing on the cmdline, but it was so quick you didn't see it ^^
[11:05] <kvarley> einonm: palimpset not found
[11:06] <kvarley> popey: disk utility doesn't appear in dash
[11:07] <einonm> I know how to tell which package a program is from with yum, how do I do that in apt?
[11:07] <kvarley> Ah popey it's just "Disks" in 1210
[11:10] <kvarley> Doesn't say on disks
[11:10] <kvarley>  The stock hard drive is sata II
[11:14] <daubers> Not that sataII or II makes a difference with spinning disk...
[11:14] <daubers> II or III even
[11:15] <popey> ah sorry, I'm on 12.04
[11:15] <kvarley> My desktop is too so I was confused too
[11:19] <einonm> kvarley: quick way to see if it's SATA ii or iii, based on a quick google - run 'dmesg | grep SATA
[11:19] <einonm> link should be 3Gbps for ii, 6 Gbps for iii apparently
[11:27] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:27] <SuperMatt> ning
[11:32] <kvarley> einonm: Found out by using an app to get my southbridge chipset
[11:32] <kvarley> einonm: AMD Hudson-3L - Apparently supports SATA III :D
[11:34] <einonm> kvarley: Great. So your disk is SATA iii too?
[11:34] <kvarley> einonm: Nope, SATA II Hitachi 500GB
[11:34] <BigRedS> einonm: dpkg -S <file name>
[11:34] <BigRedS> so you can do    dpkg -S `which thingy`   where thingy is the tool you're trying to find the source package of
[11:35] <einonm> BigRedS: Great, thanks.
[11:41] <bigcalm> davmor2: I'm in GameOS to update my SGS3. It tells me that I'm on the latest version of firmware
[11:42] <directhex> bigcalm, which brand of sgs3?
[11:42] <directhex> afaik only Three have shipped the rom
[11:42] <directhex> s/rom/jelly bean rom/
[11:43] <bigcalm> directhex: Still on ICS from when I got the handset from t-mobile
[11:43] <bigcalm> directhex: davmor2 is on t-mobile and has JB on his SGS3
[11:43] <directhex> also remember that access to rom updates tends to be staggered
[11:44] <directhex> across about a week or fortnight
[11:44] <bigcalm> Have EE only just pushed out the JB update for the SGS3 then?
[11:46] <directhex> 24th, apparently
[11:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: then it lies
[11:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: check the version number
[11:49] <bigcalm> Which number?
[11:50] <bigcalm> 4.0.4 = ICS
[11:52] <popey> 4.2 is due soon isnt it?
[11:54] <directhex> 4.2 is out, ish
[11:54] <directhex> 4.2 is also jelly bean
[11:54] <directhex> version numbers are hard!
[11:55] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'd ring up t mobile and find out why you don't have an option to upgrade
[11:55] <directhex> 2.0 and 2.1 were both eclair
[11:55] <directhex> 3.0, 3.1 and 3.2 were honeycomb
[11:56]  * bigcalm gives up for the day and goes to a NT house
[11:56] <bigcalm> Toodles
[11:57] <BigRedS> Would I know by now if I did all the right hoop-jumping to get steam on Linux?
[11:58] <BigRedS> I wanna play games at work this weekend but not quite as much as I want to not arse about finding network drivers for Windows
[11:58] <theopensourcerer> My SG3 updated to 4.1.1 last week - vodafone
[11:59] <czajkowski> have folks seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Enterprise
[11:59] <czajkowski> AlanBell: theopensourcerer ^^^
[12:00] <theopensourcerer> ty czajkowski. Am off to get sozzled shortly so will deal with it later.
[12:02] <BigRedS> I spent the day being told that there was no need for that project since it was already good enough :)
[12:04] <diplo> I do agree with the comment at the bottom
[12:04] <diplo> Most of that is part of Samba4, getting that integrated would be better
[12:15] <AlanBell> czajkowski: :( to most of the things on the list there
[12:16] <AlanBell> that is a windows integration shopping list, not an articulation of a vision of a Free Software stack for the modern business
[12:17] <AlanBell> that basically recreates the Ubuntu Business respin that I didn't even bother to download
[12:20] <AlanBell> windows integration isn't a bad thing, and Samba4 etc is a good thing, but that is about making a second rate Windows, not making a first rate Ubuntu
[12:21] <einonm> Aren't all those potential needs listed already met, anyway? I'm sure I've done / am doing most of them already.
[12:22] <AlanBell> yeah, I think so too
[12:22] <AlanBell> and they are not very exciting
[12:24] <einonm> The original idea looks to be from 2006 as well...where it probably belongs.
[12:25] <diplo> I think it all just needs to be easier to configure/documented
[12:25] <diplo> Maybe in an official documentation rather than community one
[12:39] <BigRedS> Anyone here use GoDaddy? I've got a customer who has sent a 2KB CSR to use as a TXT record for this: http://support.godaddy.com/help/article/4678/creating-a-txt-record-for-ssl-validation
[12:40] <BigRedS> I'm almost certain that every time I've seen these before it's been a short string (64B or so), am I misremembering?
[12:40] <diplo> I use GoDaddy, but not done anything like that with it
[12:41] <BigRedS> Hm, found a blog which suggests it's a 7-character string. At least I have a source to cite now :)
[13:12] <diplo> Right, reinstall vps.. bbl
[13:40] <Ng> popey is on stage!
[13:40] <brobostigon> woop
[13:40]  * brobostigon waves at popey from a distence, and tries to distract him.
[13:46] <brobostigon> we just heard about your stage appearence popey :)
[13:47] <popey> heh
[13:47] <popey> prepped in about 2 mins
[13:47] <brobostigon> ah.
[14:31] <mungojerry> if i want lxde on ubuntu , and want the ubuntu theming etc, what do i install?
[14:31] <mungojerry> lxde is too underconfigged, lubuntu-desktop installs loads of apps
[14:31] <mungojerry> lubuntu-core?
[14:36] <mungojerry> i've intalled lubuntu-core.
[15:35] <AlanBell> how would I grep for "[something]"
[15:35] <AlanBell> I want all lines that contain something in square brackets
[15:36] <einonm> AlanBell: something like "\[.*\]"
[15:36] <diplo> grep '\[*\]' *
[15:36] <diplo> ?
[15:36] <diplo> :D
[15:36] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ grep "\[bjoern-michaelsen\]" uds-r-desktop-r-reboot-libreoffice-packaging-latest.txt
[15:36] <AlanBell> heh
[15:36] <popey> :)
[15:38] <AlanBell> popey: want my "download all the pads" script?
[15:38] <AlanBell> it is nasty, but it works :)
[15:38] <AlanBell> nothing wrong with a script that opens 300 firefox tabs is there
[15:40] <popey> I'll just wget your people page
[15:40] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/uds-r/actions.txt going to linkify that in a bit
[15:40] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/uds-r/
[15:41] <AlanBell> will rerun the script at the close of the last session
[15:41]  * popey searches that page for his nickname
[15:49] <mungojerry> is there a service that plots a graph of the volume of twitter messages mentioning a certain word?
[15:52] <ali1234> mungojerry: http://www.followthehashtag.com/
[15:52] <ali1234> but it isn't loading for me
[15:53] <mungojerry> thanks ali1234 thats the idea
[15:53] <mungojerry> looking for a graph over 1 yr
[15:57] <ali1234> i suspect that the search for 1 year wuld seriously overload twitter api so it would have to be a service by twitter
[15:57] <ali1234> like google trends is
[15:57] <AlanBell> it wouldn't overload the twitter api, the problem is that it involves data that twitter want to make money from
[15:58] <ali1234> every tweet containing an arbitrary world for the past 12 months?
[15:58] <ali1234> that could run to several gigabytes probably
[15:58] <ali1234> if they made a specific api that just returns counts then it wouldn't overload it
[15:59] <AlanBell> they could stream them to you slowly
[15:59] <ali1234> but they don't afaik
[15:59] <mungojerry> so do google do it?
[15:59] <mungojerry> just wanna graph of mentions of manflu
[15:59] <ali1234> http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=manflu
[15:59] <AlanBell> it may be a technicaly hard thing/too much data, but they also see their data warehouse as valuable
[16:00] <AlanBell> mungojerry: that is a great term to search for
[16:01] <AlanBell> and it reveals that it is a UK phrase
[16:01] <AlanBell> didn't know that at all
[16:01] <ali1234> on "the code" a google rep stated that they can predict flu outbreaks just be monitoring how many people search for flu symtoms/remedies
[16:01] <ali1234> not really predict, but find out about them faster than anyone else
[16:01] <ali1234> because people websearch before they go to the doctor
[16:02] <AlanBell> snow is a good one!
[16:03] <mungojerry> also try d+v bug
[16:03] <ali1234> "presents" more sharply defined
[16:06] <AlanBell> http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=santa&cmpt=q curiously there is a santa peak every march/april as somewhere like santa barbara/santa maria/ santa anita/santa cruz/santa monica hits the news
[16:06] <AlanBell> that looks to me like a journalistic googlebomb
[16:38] <Flashtek> zleap:
[16:38] <bootlkjkgf> As kickstarter.com is now open to the UK ... has anyone noticed any British kickstarter-projects about ?
[16:40] <bootlkjkgf> Oh wait there is afew ... http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/search?term=british Mostly B-films thou.
[16:44] <zleap> what is kickstarter
[16:44] <zleap> trying to find a simple explanation on website
[16:45] <christel> a funding website for projects (that result in an actual product)
[16:46] <DJones> zleap: Basically, people pledge money towards a target for a particular project, if the target is reached, a specific project will go ahead
[16:46] <zleap> ah
[16:48] <bootlkjkgf> WTF is this !!!http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1117334251/british-up-a-mockumentary?play=1&ref=search
[16:53] <christel> are they the kids who made a film about how you could live in a walmart store?
[16:55] <bootlkjkgf> Either way , I imagine a bad breakdown is imminent in their careers.
[16:56] <bootlkjkgf> I think kickstarter takes like 8% of all funding, anyway.
[16:57] <buzz_> spammy spammy - Xubuntu 12.10 for the O2 Joggler released - http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/ubuntu/
[16:57] <bootlkjkgf> probably more like 12%.
[16:59] <bootlkjkgf> Here's the Bog roll if you wanna have a look ... http://www.reddit.com/r/kickstarter/search?q=Kickstarter&sort=new&restrict_sr=on
[17:08] <Azelphur> I wonder if it would be possible to reinstall the OS over SSH, given that we have two hdds and one of them is just data?
[17:42] <sagaci> I'll be staying the UK, namely London, for a few days. Just would like some ideas on mobile broadband suppliers. I'll only be there for roughly a week.
[17:45] <AlanBell> hi sagaci
[17:45] <AlanBell> any of them should work fine in London
[17:46] <AlanBell> you can get a pay as you go SIM from various places
[17:46] <AlanBell> like a phone shop, or some supermarkets
[17:46] <sagaci> righteo then, do most of the modems work with ubuntu
[17:46] <AlanBell> I wouldn't get one from a stall at a market or in a station or anything
[17:46] <AlanBell> oh, I would do wireless tethering from a phone
[17:47] <AlanBell> most modems do work, but some don't and it can be fiddly
[17:57] <sagaci> I have win7 dual boot so always a back up
[18:17] <AlanBell> sagaci: tbh I would get the cheapest android handset over a dongle or mifi
[18:18] <sagaci> 50 pounds should get me 2-4GB, hopefully
[19:23] <nucc1> is anyone able to use this extension in 12.10? https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/104/netspeed/
[19:24] <dwatkins> http://www.valvesoftware.com/linuxsurvey.php
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> *click*
[19:58] <bootlkjkgf> left or right - click ?
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> yes
[22:41] <lazarus_> quick question is there a way to get ubuntu to connect to to a server that is using web deploy because on windows i use web matrix 2 and well i dont want to use webmatrix because im trying to move away from windows
[22:44] <ali1234> what is web deploy
[22:44] <ali1234> what is web matrix
[22:45] <ali1234> answer: a proprietary method for uploading web pages to a windows virtual server hosted on azure
[22:47] <ali1234> if msdeploy is .net (and it probably is if it's recent) then it will probably run in mono
[22:49] <ali1234> really though if you want to get away from windows the first thing you want to do is dump that IIS
[23:01] <mejpark> Can anyone confirm time and room of HantsLUG meeting at Southampton University this Saturday?