[02:26] astraljava, for your reference (and in case anyone asks you) I've gone ahead and setup an Ubuntu network for Movember so anyone around the world that has to do with Ubuntu can join the cause http://ca.movember.com/mospace/network/Ubuntu [02:41] ^^ please publicize freely [06:18] stochastic: ACK. [09:49] Oh I lost zequence very bad [09:52] Is it that our session comes like 4 hours later? (UDS) [09:54] hi zequence how is UDS? [09:55] BTW is this your new launchpad account? Looks empty:p [09:55] https://launchpad.net/~ailo [09:56] ~ailo is another account I have, for testing, so not the new one. ~zequence is the new one [09:56] ~ailo.at is to be merged with ~zequence, but at the moment it's stuck [09:56] Ah [09:57] They have made a bug report about it, and hopefully it will be foxed soon [09:57] fixed* [09:57] zequence, :D [09:57] smartboyhw, Seems like Kate Stewart from Canonical will be joining us for the meeting [09:57] zequence, what ho?D [09:57] *:D [09:57] And knome from xubuntu [09:58] zequence, yeah knome should come:D [09:58] Not expecting skaet (Kate Stewart) though [09:58] So, that's a start. I would like to make the meeting about the people who don't usually contribute to UBuntu Studio and see what ideas and thoughts they have [09:58] Ah, she is skaet? ok :) [09:59] She did add herself as attendant [09:59] zequence, yes:P [09:59] skaet is interested in some multimedia features, so might be due to personal reasons, not the professional one. [09:59] astraljava, oh:D [10:00] astraljava, Will you be busy during that time? [10:01] What time would that be, then? [10:01] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/meeting/21530/community-r-ubuntustudio-planning/ [10:01] I may be able to attend. [10:02] astraljava, yeah [10:02] ttoine, will you attend the UDS session? [10:02] zequence, got the pad updated [10:02] With two-three lines from me [10:02] smartboyhw: Link, please. [10:02] astraljava, same as zequence's link:P [10:03] btw, at the last session I was getting updates about the failed merge bug report. After a while, I noticed the person handling it was sitting next to me :D [10:03] Ahh... right, didn't have SSO session, so didn't see details other than the meeting time. Thanks! [10:03] zequence, lol [10:04] Good [10:04] smartboyhw, No need to add your name to the suggestions. It's usually only added for workitems [10:04] zequence, yeah let me delete it:P [10:05] zequence, deleted [10:05] smartboyhw, When I say cross flavor team, I mean one team for all flavors. Not one team for Ubuntu Studio only [10:05] zequence, well hmm......... that is complicated. zequence you will need to have the power to persuade EVERY distro on that:D [10:06] * astraljava roughly estimates the ratio to lines where Howard doesn't smile, grin or outright laugh and ones where he does is something like 1 to 23. :) [10:06] astraljava, ....... [10:06] smartboyhw, Every flavor, yes. I will need to discuss it with all of them. Their leads are all aware of the proposal, or the idea of it. [10:06] zequence, good then:D [10:06] smartboyhw: This was just an intrigued observation, not critique. :) [10:06] zequence, the same sentence again: "Add oil" [10:07] smartboyhw, I would suggest, if you don't mind, to delete that whole line. But, keep the one about promotion [10:07] zequence, deleted [10:09] Hmm... how does the pad work, how do I make my changes public? [10:09] astraljava, er...Just write it down:P [10:10] * smartboyhw goes and picks his Chinese exercise boo [10:10] *book [10:10] astraljava, I see the changes [10:10] Yes, but... my name doesn't get added to the list of authors even after I wrote it in the box. [10:10] Oh ok. [10:10] So it just doesn't update it similarly to other authors. [10:11] astraljava, Yea, it seems the person logged in doesn't see their own name in the list. I see yours and smartboyhw 's [10:11] * smartboyhw saw it too [10:12] Good, then. [10:12] I'll think it over later, if I have time. [10:12] * astraljava is feeling quite sick, sore throat and all that [10:13] your nick should be at the top [10:13] Yes, next to the box that has the same color than my changes. [10:14] I'll be happy if we get one new idea or decision out of the whole meeting, so not having any big expectations [10:14] But, who knows.. [10:14] Yeah, you never know if someone with fresh, bright ideas pops along. [10:14] added the blueprint link into the pad [10:15] yeah who knows what might happen [10:15] Embrace uncertainty:P [10:15] smartboyhw, That sounded very kung fu [10:15] Well he did say he pulled out his textbooks. :) [10:15] zequence, no it is from a Apple ad about iPod Shuffle:D [10:16] hehe [10:16] astraljava, exercise book for homework [10:16] Having holiday tmr [10:16] Actually, it is one of the core ideas of Buddhism, I think. I like that stuff [10:18] zequence, really? [10:18] smartboyhw, Sort of. In buddhism a large part of it is to learn how to not be afraid and defensive [10:19] And usually people are a bit apprehensive when they do not know what to expect [10:20] People often say that people are afraid of what they do not know [10:23] If you always have the attitude that you will always need to change your mind every second, and not cling on to your old beliefs, when new things happen, you are prepared for that [10:24] Anyway, that's why I thought it sounded Kung Fu [10:24] It's natural, though. Survival instincts alone dictate that you should be wary of the unknown. [10:24] zequence, so you are going to the US session, not the flavor product manager meeting, or what? [10:24] astraljava, Absolutely. But, it's better to be aware of that, than to just react based on fear [10:25] Why are flavor-dependent sessions booked simultaneously? [10:25] Yea, I didn't even look at what else was on [10:25] zequence: True, there's a subtle difference there. :) [10:26] knome, what flavour product manager session? [10:27] the "Flavor Product Manager Meeting" session at the same time as the US session. [10:27] Grr strangely zequence booked into BOTH sessions:P [10:27] of course. he should be in both. [10:27] The order of the sessions has changed a bit, even during this week [10:28] zequence, maybe you could get ahold of somebody who's working on the schedule and try to fix it [10:28] Funny that there are three people attending both [10:29] yeah... [10:29] zequence, add it to four:P [10:29] or, "funny" [10:29] smartboyhw, remote participants don't count :P [10:30] There is room at a later time [10:30] But, I might want to suggest we just scrap it [10:30] knome, LOL that's good actually I can join both:P [10:30] zequence, scrap what? [10:30] Our meeting [10:30] zequence, uh [10:31] yeah, probably not too important as there's only ailo around [10:31] Cause I think people who want to go to ours might prefer to go the other one, and we would have a benefit of going too [10:31] you can just have an irc meeting and it will be the same [10:31] zequence, yeah [10:31] err, zequence [10:31] :P [10:31] this is going to take some time [10:31] (learning the new nick) [10:31] zequence, let's just plan a formal IRC meeting then scott-work and holstein and ttoine and others can come too:P [10:32] smartboyhw, Yeah, this was not meant to be an internal meeting, and since not many are coming, we might just as well just skip it [10:32] zequence, ok skip it. [10:36] persia, Welcome back [10:36] hey persia := [10:36] Who's persia ? Sorry:P [10:36] hey knome [10:36] umh. fingers still not working [10:37] persia is a gentleman from uds. [10:37] Anyway, heads-up: there was a schedule change for our session: now 15:15 UTC [10:37] Which session? [10:37] smartboyhw: Ubuntu Studio planning for R [10:38] persia, Ah, great [10:38] We just decided to cancel it [10:38] persia, we are that is great:D [10:38] persia, yeah not many people are gonna attend so [10:38] scraped :P [10:38] Cool. Cancelling would be bad, because there are folk we don't usually see who might see the output. [10:38] persia, That's what I was hoping for too [10:39] So, we'll keep it on. The time is just moved 1h 15min ahead [10:39] Can everyone we need make the 16:15 Copenhagen time then? [10:39] i'll be able to make it [10:39] zquence: 75min later in the day [10:40] persia, not for me [10:41] Though attending remotely [10:41] i'm going to get up and walk around a bit [10:41] hi [10:41] see you later [10:41] Can someone add me to the facebook page admin ? [10:42] ttoine, don't get too aggressive:P [10:43] ttoine, We need to decide on how our public relations team should work. [10:43] ttoine, For now, Scott is admin. We need to discuss what to do, who will do it, under what forms [10:43] Then probably we'll have many people posting stuff [10:44] smartboyhw, He's not agressive. Only eager to get stuff done [10:44] Just like you, I guess [10:44] zequence, LOL I get the point [10:44] * smartboyhw is doing some Ubuntu Packaging guide translations [10:45] persia: Good to see you back! [10:45] I do want for people to be able to work independently, without consent from the dev team, but we just need to work out the details first. [10:47] * astraljava should be able to make 16:15 CET. [10:54] sorry: connectivity here is sporadic. [10:55] ttoine, I started a thread about a Ubuntu Studio public relations team [10:56] ttoine, I think the first step is to collect a list of channels that we want to be using. [10:56] ttoine, Once we have a nice big list (we can always add to it later), we decide how to handle accounts [10:56] And of course, we should discuss what sort of things we want to post [10:56] Make a list of things we want to do in the media [10:57] After that, it's just a matter of letting the ball start rolling, right? [10:57] zequence, I am planning to write an article about Ubuntu Studio contrbutions and introduction in the Full Circle Magazine [10:59] smartboyhw, Sounds great [10:59] :D [11:14] ttoine, Hey, I just realized, you are out French connection [11:14] ttoine, Maybe you'd like to handle some French channels/forums as well [11:16] smartboyhw: do you want us to avoid your topic? [11:17] persia, what topic? [11:20] zequence, thought of one thing: In the developer guide you probably should talk about maintaining the -default-settings, -look and -meta packages (last one has been talked about in seed management) [11:22] smartboyhw, True. The docs are not detailed atm, and if we want to create a universal dev doc for all, Ubuntu Studio specific stuff will need it's own area in the wiki [11:22] Until now, I've been considering the whole thing Ubuntu Studio specific, but I will want to change that [11:23] The whole thing will be restructured and rewritten. It's just a sketch the way it is now [11:23] zequence, that specific stuff should be in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/SoftwareDevelopment [11:24] smartboyhw, Well, maybe not. Cause, software development in this case is more about creating new applications that aren't necessarily Ubuntu Studio specific. [11:24] We [11:24] We'd create them for Ubuntu Studio, but they could be used for other distros as well [11:25] ubuntustudio-looks and ubuntustudio-settings aren't applications [11:25] zequence, hmm ok.....Since when you become a universal guy? UDS-R? [11:26] smartboyhw, I've been thinking along those lines from the start. It's just smart to keep those things universal, that people have in common, and those thing local, which are only needed by us [11:28] But, yes, while I was here, I did realize that dev docs might not need to be local for US, so that is something that came as an effect of me being at UDS [11:31] zequence: Heh, exactly what I wrote in the 'pad just few moments ago. :) [11:31] smartboyhw: In the session, since you can't make it, do you want us to not cover so much about the stuff you've been doing? I've seen you active with driving testing and working with the release team, but I've been away long enough that I acknowledge I don't have a clear picture yet. [11:32] persia, can't understand....... [11:32] * smartboyhw is confused [11:33] persia, I think smartboyhw can attend [11:33] right smartboyhw? [11:33] zequence, not on 16:15 [11:33] CET [11:33] smartboyhw, Oh.. [11:34] Well, I don't see any topics that need to be dropped on account of that [11:34] zequence, persia: is it impossible to make it like uh 15:45? [11:34] zequence, true [11:35] We'll just improvise depending on who comes, and whatever we start talking about. I find it hard to prepare for the unexpected [11:36] persia, You have any ideas for topics? [11:46] zequence: No. I'll probably have comments about the topics, but I need to finish catching up on the semantic changes in how we do studio over the past year before I can usefully help define new topics. [11:47] persia, a suggestion: Read back all the archives in the ubuntu-studio-devel mailing lists [11:47] ad-hoc based on attendance works for me: I think we have way more specs than time to cover thm in a single sessin anyway :) [11:47] persia, Ack. A quick way would be to look at the blueprint overview: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/RaringBlueprintsCategories [11:48] smartboyhw: I've been doing that, and reading all the backscroll in this channel, and ... (but this takes a long time, so I'm not ready to do more than occasionally comment on things yet) [11:48] :D [11:48] zequence: That sounds like a reasonable agenda: go through the specs, and based on who says things on audio, or comments on IRC, dive into details. [13:39] Hi scott-work [13:39] scott-work, Ubuntu Studio R session delayed to 16:15 CET [13:40] morning smartboyhw [13:51] scott-work, since the -testing-docs blueprint has only one work item and that that work item belongs to me can you also set the assignee of that blueprint to me? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-r-testing-doc [13:55] BTW scott-work is it the best for you to join http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/meeting/21542/foundations-r-flavor-pm-mtg/ ? [13:55] 2nd question - most likely [13:56] 1st question - i will see, but i think much more needs to be put into the testing blueprint [13:56] smartboyhw: ^^^ [13:57] scott-work, the problem is: zequence (aka ailo) thought that we only need a testing documentaion, and I think that he once said that there isn't really that much things to add to testing so..... Maybe UTAH, but zequence is handling it so [13:58] smartboyhw: is the flavour PM meeting happening now, is there an audio link to listen, and what is the IRC for it? [13:59] scott-work, 1. yes, 2. http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/b3-m5.ogg.m3u 3. #ubuntu-uds-b3-m5 and 4. If you want a video link you should go to https://plus.google.com/117429523430977492101/posts [14:01] smartboyhw: thank you very much [14:01] scott-work, NP [14:01] i'm not sure what UTAH is, but i feel that we need some documentation that explains the purpose of testing, contract milestone vs daily test, links various things (e.g. qa website for available test, reporting tests), explaining that we need to report testing, etc [14:01] scott-work, ya ya ya I will work on that:D [14:02] Ha zequence finally got his Launchpad account merged [14:05] zequence, congrats your LP account finally got merged [14:05] smartboyhw, Really? Great [14:06] zequence, yeah:D [14:06] smartboyhw, hmm, doesn't seem like it [14:07] zequence, uh at least the blueprints show up that you are the approver hmm....... [14:07] The ailo.at is still there, and zequence has not got the teams yet [14:07] Maybe it's happening, but one step at a time [14:07] zequence, gee...sorry [14:14] smartboyhw: we really didn't define who should mark the blueprints as approved or what "approved" means [14:14] scott-work, no no no no [14:15] zequence's name was originally greyed with link to ailo.at, now it is coloured with it pointing to zequence [14:15] scott-work, I mean that actually;p [14:15] i understand [14:17] sadly i am really unable to pay attention to the flavour session :( to many interruptions at work [14:17] scott-work, I am;P [14:20] zequence, please write a summary for scott-work since he is unable to focus at the session going on now (better to send the summary to the whole list) [14:21] scott-work, Ah, too bad. I'm a bit lost in this subject. I'm just thinking we should do as you said. Focus on following the Ubuntu release schedule [14:22] zequence, you mean only 1 beta + RC? [14:22] One beta makes a lot of sense. We keep working against it. Beta out - we do testing and bug fixing. Done. Get release out [14:22] zequence, a question then: Should we do cadence testing? [14:23] smartboyhw, I need to look into that to have an opinion [14:23] zequence, OK just find balloons , he should be in the same room as yours [14:24] smartboyhw, Not today :) [14:24] I'll read up on it [14:24] zequence, oh OK [14:24] zequence, a brief summary [14:24] We do testing every two weeks [14:25] There will be NO freeze, the daily builds will continue [14:25] So that if we fix a bug we can immediately see the effect the next day [14:25] We don't have to complete all the testcases [14:26] smartboyhw: there might be partial freezes (and final freeze still) [14:26] micahg, there might be [14:27] zequence, are they asking about the milestones now? [14:27] scott-work, so what do ya think about the milestones? [14:40] zequence, did you just say that Beta 1 is OK for us? [14:40] smartboyhw, Nope. Beta2 [14:40] Or, finalBeta [14:41] zequence, good thx [14:42] zequence, then type what milestones are we having in http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/meeting/21542/foundations-r-flavor-pm-mtg/ please so everyone can see [14:44] smartboyhw, I think Kate will take care of that [14:45] zequence, oh ok:D [14:45] But I added it now, so [14:47] Had to add a remark about cadence testing still in discussion;P [14:47] zequence, ^ [14:48] smartboyhw, I think we can do testing without alphas and betas [14:48] zequence, you want ONLY an RC? [14:48] * smartboyhw objects sadly [14:48] smartboyhw, No. We will have finalbeta and rc [14:49] zequence, excuse me: What is the difference between a Beta and a finalbeta? [14:49] smartboyhw, I was just saying, we don't need more than one Beta. [14:49] We can do testing without specific releases [14:49] We just do them [14:49] zequence, yes 1 beta. Isn't that what we are talking about? [14:50] smartboyhw, Yep [14:50] zequence, yay:D [14:54] zequence, you typed my name wrong, I am not a filesystem I am Howard... [14:54] You typed smartboyfs [14:55] smartboyhw, You're right. I might never do that again [14:55] HW, FS, HD, CD [15:00] Got the internet connection off:( [15:01] zequence, any summary?:P [15:02] smartboyhw, No summary. Break now, and then our session [15:02] OK [15:03] smartboyhw: ping [15:03] holstein, eh? [15:03] im checking in for a few minutes from a van on the way to DC :) [15:03] holstein, so? [15:03] can you fill me in on anything i might need to know? [15:03] holstein, what do you mean, to DC? [15:04] holstein, ah ok [15:04] im just traveling... on "tour" kind of ;) [15:04] holstein, nothing much, we are going to have only 1 beta and rc just like Ubuntu Studio [15:04] smartboyhw: do you still want responsibility for the testing blueprint, even with the possibility of adding extra tasks for explaining the purpose of testings, the contrasts between milestone vs dailies, and links? [15:04] scott-work, yes [15:04] scott-work, easy to handle:D [15:05] scott-work: im into being envolved with the PR team.. im just slammed for a bit more... maybe another week [15:06] smartboyhw, just to point out, you never should expect anything to be easy [15:06] holstein: cool. i'm glad you are going to be involved [15:06] hey scott [15:07] hi knome, how is UDS going for you? [15:07] smartboyhw: done [15:07] scott-work, well it's fine, only one session to go and i'm happy about it ;) [15:10] knome, easier than coding:P [15:10] smartboyhw, that doesn't imply anything. [15:12] knome, easier than visual arts [15:12] easier than writing testcases even! [15:14] smartboyhw, those don't imply anything either- [15:17] knome, then what does it imply? [15:18] smartboyhw, nothing [15:19] zequence, who just joined apart from you and knome ? === jta is now known as jta_akf === jta_akf is now known as jta_afk [15:50] anyone know of a good application to prototype dialogue boxes? [15:51] glade? [15:52] is it easy to use without getting into code? [15:52] astraljava: ^^^ [15:52] Pretty much, you can just draw the UI without any code behind it. [15:52] Depends what you wanna do with it. [15:52] Print it out? [15:52] i can do this in inkscape, but using someone else that would make the buttons look like buttons would be extremely helpful :P [15:53] Yes, give it a shot. [15:53] astraljava: i want to play around with dialogue boxes for doing a video [15:53] i thought inkscape has some "make it look like a button" buttons ;) [15:53] i've been toying around with what i'm calling "re-imaging the desktop" for content creation and want to do a few videos to demo the functionality [15:53] that would go so much further than just typing words ;) [15:54] scott-work, you're not attending the US UDS session? [15:54] Wait, it's _now_? [15:54] well. [15:54] was [15:54] i'm five minutes from going into a meeting and i've been interuptted all morning [15:54] ends in 5 mins. [15:54] meh [15:54] so i've basically given up on any sessions today [15:54] we have zequence, persia, cjcurran and micahg here [15:54] it's going to be "one of those days" apparently :P [15:55] yeah [15:55] awwww, i've missed meeting persia once again :( [15:55] it already was :D [15:55] urr [15:55] scott-work, i've had the honour of meeting him in two uds's [15:55] okay, going downstairs for me meeting, be back in thirty or so [15:55] right, see you [15:55] knome: now you are just bragging ;) [15:55] scott-work, haha [15:55] maybe.. [16:08] scott-work, We got some stuff. I need to go through the workitems, and discuss them with you once I'm back from UDS http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/meeting/21530/community-r-ubuntustudio-planning/ [16:09] Seems like we might be getting help from cjcurran, if you know the guy? Seemed to me he's been involved before [16:11] Yeh the name rings a bell, but can't put a finger on it. [16:11] ...the bell. [16:12] astraljava, Irish audio guy. He seems to have a good idea about a lot of things [16:12] audio coding and mixing particularly [16:13] Right. Wonder what nick he used, if he was on here. [16:13] cjcurran is his LP nick [16:13] Ah [16:13] cjcurran's IRC nick is ronoc [16:14] cheers persia from 3 chairs away [16:14] Oh well, can't recall. [16:14] Didn't realize he was working for canonical.. [16:15] Anyway, that's one addition. Now we just need about 20 more ;) [16:19] Time to get slaughtered by Vikings soon [16:19] Is this a daily thing? How are you getting reincarnated? [16:19] And in the same location even? [16:20] astraljava, Nope. This is one time only. If we're lucky enough to survive, we'll have the chance to celebrate with karaoke [16:20] Oh. Whoopy doo. [16:23] i think if i'm up to another night of the vikings [16:25] knome: Were you cut off mid-sentence? [16:26] nope. [16:26] Well, your conditional kinda left unfinished. [16:27] Oh, you mean you 'wonder'. [16:27] Well, you've degenerated into not punctuating anymore, either, so it's only fair your grammar goes down the drain as well. *smirk* [16:28] lol [16:28] oh. [16:28] i don't know if... [16:28] yes, i'm tired [16:28] Heh, yes I can imagine. [16:29] Oh well, I'm off to watch and play hockey. Simultaneously. [16:35] see you. have fun. [16:39] astraljava, I hope Finns will win ;) [16:39] There's unsurprisingly good chance for that. [16:39] Err... surprisingly. [16:39] I'm tried as well. [16:39] tired* [16:40] grr === jta_afk is now known as jta [18:14] ah yes, ronoc, i have talked to him before, he's the audio guy for ubuntu sounds i believe or at least has done some stuff with it previously [22:11] falktx, is there a possibility that the ardour version in you PPAs don't work with the gui of the LV2 plugins ? [22:13] hm, I can try [22:13] because in 12.04 it works [22:13] ttoine: which plugin GUIs don't work? [22:14] and in 12.10 it doesn't work [22:14] falktx, any LV2 plugin I test is diplayed like a ladspa V1 [22:14] in ardour2: [22:14] external UIs: work [22:15] note that it depends on ubuntu release [22:15] lv2-gtk2 uis don't seem to be working [22:16] wait, they do [22:20] ? [22:20] some work, some don't [22:21] ok they do work [22:21] some lv2 plugins are actually ladpsa coming from naspro-bridges [22:22] so those won't have gui, because they are actually ladpsa [22:23] but plugins working on 12.04 with their gui, eg Invada, don't work on 12.10 [22:24] ardour seem to be using the ladspa version instead of lv2 [22:24] yes [22:24] but it was not the case in 12.04 [22:24] remove 'naspro-bridges' and try again [22:27] that does the trick here [22:28] falktx, naspro-bridges is not installed on this workstation [22:31] so it means that I can not open my ardour works with 12.10 [22:32] I tried installing naspro, test, then uninstalling, and retest [22:32]