| knome | ochosi, mr_pouit: would you be able to join us if we did an informal meeting earlier or later? | 06:39 |
|---|---|---|
| knome | i hope our scheduled time slot is fine for micah. | 06:40 |
| knome | i would be okay with setting up an informal meeting at 10 CET | 06:44 |
| ochosi | knome: yes, that would work for me. later wouldn't | 08:38 |
| knome | pleia2, you have a session for the next time slot? | 08:39 |
| pleia2 | knome: no, but I need to spend at least half of it prepping for my lightning talk | 08:39 |
| knome | pleia2, maybe you could use the other half for discussing the artwork/marketingish stuff | 08:39 |
| pleia2 | sure, meet somewhere at 10:30? | 08:40 |
| knome | at the tables we were hacking on the plenary talk? | 08:40 |
| knome | i think i'm just going to skip the next sessions so i'll just sit around there | 08:40 |
| pleia2 | sure | 08:41 |
| knome | i need something to make me less dehydrated | 08:41 |
| ochosi | ok, so 10.30 - 11.00? | 08:42 |
| knome | ochosi, yeah | 08:42 |
| ochosi | k, worksforme | 08:42 |
| knome | ochosi, i'll be around from 10 in irc too | 08:42 |
| knome | i'm not sure if a google hangout is doable, but maybe we can just chat in irc | 08:42 |
| ochosi | thunar1.5.1 and xfsettings4.11.0 are ready in mr_pouit's ppa | 08:42 |
| knome | aha, great | 08:43 |
| ochosi | you should test it | 08:44 |
| ochosi | thunar is lightning fast again | 08:44 |
| ochosi | i mean really: like it was before the port to gio :} | 08:44 |
| knome | i think i'll leave that for home | 08:44 |
| ochosi | /begin-unofficial-meeting | 09:34 |
| knome | lol | 09:34 |
| knome | so, is there something specific you want to discuss? | 09:34 |
| ochosi | yeah, in fact the disc-size problem | 09:35 |
| knome | yep | 09:35 |
| ochosi | because it affects much of what we wanna do with artwork | 09:35 |
| knome | micah would be useful here | 09:35 |
| ochosi | yeah, true | 09:35 |
| ochosi | but you can later argue that with him :) | 09:35 |
| knome | lol | 09:36 |
| ochosi | so, point is | 09:36 |
| micahg_mobile | Well,I was thinking to look and see of we can port to python3 | 09:36 |
| ochosi | nice | 09:36 |
| ochosi | if we want new/more artwork (dark themes, wallpapers), we need more space on the disc | 09:37 |
| knome | that would definitely be nice | 09:37 |
| ochosi | in fact our icon-theme will most likely need more space in 13.04 | 09:37 |
| ochosi | because we'll implement a script by NSchermer to convert it to png | 09:37 |
| satya164 | themes are in kbs | 09:37 |
| ochosi | which makes it faster | 09:37 |
| satya164 | wallpapers need a lot of space | 09:37 |
| ochosi | satya164: for dark themes, we need icon-themes that work with them | 09:37 |
| satya164 | and we need wallpapers in different resolutions too | 09:38 |
| zequence | How about a post install task, to add stuff that was not absolutely needed for a networkless install, but would be nice to have? | 09:38 |
| ochosi | so that's something that goes hand-in-hand for me | 09:38 |
| zequence | ..at first login | 09:38 |
| satya164 | ochosi: rigt! | 09:38 |
| ochosi | zequence: yeah, that's one option | 09:38 |
| satya164 | right | 09:38 |
| ochosi | but doing post-install scripts is a nice source for bugs | 09:38 |
| knome | yeah | 09:38 |
| zequence | I've seen Ubuntu sometimes does that to add some language files | 09:38 |
| knome | satya164, we don't need wallpaper for different sizes | 09:39 |
| knome | satya164, just shipping one big one is good | 09:39 |
| satya164 | there are monitors of diff sizes, so... | 09:39 |
| ochosi | yeah, but ideally xfdesktop will take care of that | 09:39 |
| knome | yes. | 09:39 |
| satya164 | yeah right, only if it is a simple one | 09:39 |
| ochosi | we can test how they look in diff res before | 09:39 |
| micahg_mobile | We can also evaluate the default list of Xfce components to see if we want to ship them all | 09:39 |
| ochosi | so it's not that problematic | 09:39 |
| satya164 | wallpapers will text will look odd if scaled | 09:39 |
| satya164 | ok | 09:40 |
| ochosi | micahg_mobile: is there anything you're thinking of right now? | 09:40 |
| knome | i would like to do a complete check of the xubuntu ISO seed this cycle | 09:40 |
| micahg_mobile | No | 09:40 |
| ochosi | hmm | 09:40 |
| ochosi | i can only think of panel-plugins | 09:40 |
| ochosi | but those are too small to matter | 09:40 |
| knome | i mean, just go through it item by item and see if we need those | 09:40 |
| micahg_mobile | Yes | 09:40 |
| ochosi | what would be nice: | 09:40 |
| ochosi | a list of our core components incl size on disc | 09:41 |
| knome | right | 09:41 |
| ochosi | just for everyone to be able to discuss on the same basis | 09:41 |
| knome | with all dependencies or by package? | 09:41 |
| ochosi | otherwise it's random finger-pointing at components that are supposedly heavy | 09:41 |
| knome | i mean, when dependencies overlap... | 09:41 |
| ochosi | yeah, that's hard to say | 09:42 |
| ochosi | looking at you, mozilla | 09:42 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 09:42 |
| ochosi | prolly ff and tb should be treated as one | 09:42 |
| ochosi | getting rid of just one of them doesn't make too much sense anyway | 09:42 |
| knome | unless somebody wants to do something like a virtual ISO size calculator | 09:42 |
| knome | bluesabre, just sayin'! | 09:42 |
| knome | it shouldn't be that hard | 09:42 |
| ochosi | how much do we save by dropping python2 | 09:43 |
| knome | a few whales | 09:43 |
| satya164 | whales? | 09:44 |
| knome | j/k | 09:44 |
| ochosi | ok, that's what i meant by: we need numbers! :) | 09:44 |
| pleia2 | I asked how big a whale was, knome motioned "big" with his hands | 09:44 |
| ochosi | haha | 09:44 |
| knome | well the problem in Q was gtk2/3 and python 2/3, so it can't be like 2MB only | 09:45 |
| ochosi | also | 09:45 |
| knome | have fun calculating the dependencies :] | 09:45 |
| ochosi | what about the apps we dropped this time? | 09:45 |
| ochosi | gimp, ... | 09:45 |
| pleia2 | yay, micahg is here | 09:45 |
| ochosi | are we going to bring them back immediately? | 09:45 |
| ochosi | anyway, for me it's important to know so that i know what to invest my time in, artwork-wise | 09:45 |
| satya164 | so there is not a page containing all specifications for ringtail? | 09:46 |
| ochosi | i can also try to come up with numbers on my end, btw | 09:46 |
| bluesabre | I think it's time to pick up shotwell and replace gthumb and ristretto | 09:46 |
| bluesabre | ;) | 09:46 |
| pleia2 | satya164: the specs are what we're defining right now :) | 09:46 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: isn't shotwell a bit heavy for simple viewing? (agreed that for browsing/organising it's great) | 09:46 |
| bluesabre | it has a lightweight viewer that comes with it | 09:47 |
| pleia2 | it's not even good for simple viewing | 09:47 |
| ochosi | a-ha | 09:47 |
| ochosi | didnt know there was a simple viewer | 09:47 |
| satya164 | pleia2: I mean we need to have an index in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Raring/ | 09:48 |
| pleia2 | micahg says shotwell is too heavy, that's why ubuntu kept eog | 09:48 |
| knome | we should keep ristretto | 09:48 |
| knome | satya164, that's why we are here, to build the roadmap | 09:49 |
| satya164 | knome: ok | 09:49 |
| smartboyhw | Hi knome pleia2 | 09:49 |
| bluesabre | ok, no shotwell, but here is that viewer :) http://imagebin.org/234154 | 09:50 |
| * smartboyhw thinks he can remotely come to the Xubuntu planning session now:P | 09:50 | |
| ochosi | hm, so a quick question round for you guys: | 09:50 |
| pleia2 | bluesabre: how is that launched? | 09:50 |
| ochosi | 1) is everyone happy with our default icon theme? (looking at faenza mostly as alternative) | 09:51 |
| bluesabre | pleia2: It can be set as the default viewer, and it's available from the right-click menu on an image | 09:51 |
| ochosi | 2) do we want to have more gtk-themes installed by default? | 09:51 |
| pleia2 | I think images need to be added to the shotwell album and all that, shotwell is crazy slow on my netbook so I can't really use it for quick opening of images | 09:51 |
| knome | ochosi, we just dropped some! | 09:51 |
| bluesabre | ah | 09:51 |
| ochosi | knome: yes, because they were unmaintained | 09:51 |
| satya164 | ochosi: the current one matches more with Greybird | 09:52 |
| ochosi | i'm talking about getting ones that are maintained and have perfect gtk2/3 | 09:52 |
| bluesabre | I've had issues in the past with ristretto failing out on some images (especially svg) | 09:52 |
| knome | are there such? | 09:52 |
| ochosi | yes | 09:52 |
| ochosi | even satya has a few we might think about | 09:52 |
| bluesabre | and gthumb is just an image browser, not really a image library manager | 09:52 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: yes, that's a known issue | 09:52 |
| knome | bluesabre, report a bug | 09:53 |
| ochosi | gthumb is mainly there for browsing camera's that use libgphoto (or what it's called) | 09:53 |
| pleia2 | micahg says we should fix ristretto to support svg :) | 09:53 |
| astraljava | Do we need to _have_ an image library manager by default? | 09:53 |
| ochosi | actually i think we don't | 09:53 |
| ochosi | but as i said | 09:53 |
| bluesabre | no, not really | 09:53 |
| ochosi | the reason isn't image-library management | 09:53 |
| ochosi | it's support for cameras | 09:53 |
| pleia2 | I don't use it | 09:53 |
| ochosi | so if we can all agree that's not functionality that we need _by default_, it'll be easy to drop it | 09:54 |
| ochosi | (i also don't use it, i don't even know anyone who has a camera that needs that) | 09:54 |
| astraljava | Hmm... I always rather copy the images from the mem cards to HDD before looking at them, so I guess this discussion isn't what I'm looking for (/me makes jedi gestures) | 09:55 |
| satya164 | knome: I propose to include http://satya164.deviantart.com/art/Evolve-GTK3-Theme-264780816 and http://satya164.deviantart.com/art/Cream-GTK3-Theme-334006701 | 09:55 |
| satya164 | though http://satya164.deviantart.com/art/Cream-GTK3-Theme-334006701 is a work in progress | 09:55 |
| ochosi | astraljava: even browsing them on sd cards works with ristretto. it's just about importing fotos via some canon-format or smthg like that | 09:55 |
| satya164 | ochosi: even if I had a camera, i will just copy the iimages to hdd | 09:56 |
| ochosi | yes, but for copying you need something that supports libgphoto!!! :) | 09:56 |
| satya164 | may be professional photographers need that | 09:56 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: for anything like that, you'd need ufraw | 09:56 |
| ochosi | that's what gthumb is good for | 09:56 |
| astraljava | ochosi: You do? Aren't the SD cards just some vfat filesystem? | 09:57 |
| ochosi | arrrr, it's for cameras that don't get mounted as mass-storage device and that for ppl who at the same time don't have a cardreader | 09:57 |
| astraljava | Right. | 09:57 |
| satya164 | ochosi: oh... didn't know | 09:57 |
| astraljava | Well, they can always install additional apps, IMNSHO. :) | 09:57 |
| ochosi | but i'm all for dropping gthumb, it just has to be for the right reasons | 09:57 |
| satya164 | ochosi: we cannot support evrything! | 09:58 |
| ochosi | yeah, i agree! :) | 09:58 |
| ochosi | and as i said, let's drop it | 09:58 |
| ochosi | ok, so any more voices on the themes satya164 proposed?`(i'm for them btw) | 09:58 |
| ochosi | and general opinions about getting more themes that work? | 09:59 |
| ochosi | (currently: blackbird, bluebird, greybird, albatross) | 09:59 |
| ochosi | note: they're all blue | 09:59 |
| bluesabre | evolve looks really similar to greybird | 09:59 |
| ochosi | that's true | 10:00 |
| ochosi | satya164: what about orion btw? | 10:00 |
| bluesabre | gotta go, bbl :) | 10:00 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: hf! | 10:00 |
| satya164 | bluesabre: tru | 10:01 |
| satya164 | ochosi: haven't updated Orion | 10:01 |
| satya164 | ochosi: will try to do it within a week | 10:01 |
| satya164 | ochosi: Orion already has a xfwm theme | 10:01 |
| ochosi | yeah, no rush | 10:01 |
| ochosi | target is 13.04 ;) | 10:01 |
| ochosi | do you have a link to orion? | 10:02 |
| satya164 | ochosi: yeah, but I'm already flooded with comments and emails asking about update | 10:02 |
| ochosi | k | 10:03 |
| satya164 | http://satya164.deviantart.com/gallery/33387415 | 10:03 |
| satya164 | ochosi: my ppa status says, Orion is the most popular theme by me | 10:03 |
| satya164 | http://satya164.deviantart.com/art/Orion-GTK3-Theme-281431756?q=gallery%3Asatya164%2F33387415&qo=6 | 10:03 |
| ochosi | mhm | 10:04 |
| ochosi | i mean the colorscheme is again very close to greybird | 10:04 |
| satya164 | ochosi: it's a lot lighter | 10:04 |
| ochosi | yeah, that's true | 10:04 |
| satya164 | ochosi: I can change it if you prefer | 10:05 |
| ochosi | yeah we can discuss it during the cycle | 10:05 |
| satya164 | ochosi: I'll do it while porting | 10:05 |
| ochosi | it's just about the highlight.color | 10:05 |
| ochosi | the rest isn't too similar | 10:05 |
| satya164 | ochosi: yeah. we can perhaps use purple? | 10:06 |
| Unit193 | Heh, you like "action" buttons (title buttons) on the left. | 10:06 |
| satya164 | Unit193: I'm accustomed to it | 10:06 |
| ochosi | yeah, purple would work well i guess | 10:07 |
| satya164 | as menus and most thing are in left, I don't have to travel to far right | 10:07 |
| ochosi | i don't use window-buttons very much | 10:07 |
| ochosi | i'm more a kb-guy | 10:07 |
| satya164 | :) | 10:07 |
| ochosi | anyway, ppl can easily change the layout of that in xfce | 10:07 |
| satya164 | ok. I'm gotta go | 10:07 |
| ochosi | yeah, in fact me too | 10:08 |
| satya164 | have to go to arrange sponsorship for my college seminar | 10:08 |
| ochosi | have fun you UDS people, even though you're all zoned-out now it seems! | 10:08 |
| ochosi | satya164: ok good luck! | 10:08 |
| satya164 | :) | 10:08 |
| satya164 | bye | 10:08 |
| satya164 | thanks | 10:08 |
| knome | heh yeah | 10:08 |
| knome | sorry | 10:08 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: I think they are generally zoned out. | 10:09 |
| knome | true. | 10:11 |
| * astraljava doesn't like zones | 10:13 | |
| ochosi | ok, i'm off | 10:14 |
| ochosi | have fun everyone and talk to you later | 10:14 |
| knome | see you | 10:14 |
| smartboyhw | Gee session starting in 1 minute | 10:58 |
| pleia2 | http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/ubuntu/ | 17:18 |
| pleia2 | These are distributions of Ubuntu/Xubuntu Linux modified to work on the Joggler by Jools Wills (buzz [at] exotica.org.uk). | 17:18 |
| GridCube | oh that looks nice | 17:21 |
| GridCube | i wonder if that would work on my netbook :P | 17:22 |
| ashNOP | hi, i have one problem, when run own compiled xfwm4 get this error: (xfwm4:5202): xfwm4-WARNING **: Missing defaults file. Can i fix it? | 17:22 |
| ochosi | hi everyone | 18:18 |
| ochosi | how did today's xubuntu-session go? | 18:18 |
| elfy | I think it went ok ochosi | 18:19 |
| Unit193 | I ended up staying up for it after all. | 18:19 |
| ochosi | any decisions? | 18:20 |
| Unit193 | Yes, you have 5 work items. | 18:20 |
| ochosi | woot? | 18:20 |
| elfy | ochosi: 5 work items - each being a sub set of 10 other items | 18:21 |
| elfy | :) | 18:21 |
| ochosi | haha | 18:21 |
| ochosi | nice | 18:21 |
| ochosi | no, in all seriousness, is there a transcript or a summary? | 18:21 |
| elfy | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/meeting/21409/xubuntu-general-planning-for-r/ | 18:21 |
| elfy | not sure if there was anything else in other sessions - that's the only one I got to | 18:21 |
| Unit193 | The etherpad, there is a summery link in that, and audio may have been recorded? | 18:22 |
| ochosi | mm, seems fine | 18:23 |
| elfy | I think the audio will turn up eventually - that's if it's like last one | 18:23 |
| GridCube | Either you have not been granted access to this resource or your entitlement has timed out. Please try again. | 18:32 |
| GridCube | :( | 18:32 |
| pleia2 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/8145973750/ | 21:52 |
| pleia2 | haz party :) | 21:52 |
| ochosi | nice | 21:54 |
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