| derekv | whats the typographic term for parts of the letter that go below the line | 01:43 |
|---|---|---|
| Blazeix | descender | 01:45 |
| rick_h_ | yea, think you can adjust things like line-height in css to adjust how that descender fits around but not sure tbh | 01:46 |
| derekv | I can't recreate the issue where the buttons seem cropped in the android bookie client | 01:47 |
| derekv | But in the ui desiner I can notice the tail on the g is a bit cropped | 01:47 |
| rick_h_ | ugh, that sucks that it breaks down to device testing like that | 01:47 |
| derekv | so I'm working to eliminate that, i get rid of it in the ui designer, then run it on the phone and it appears there (where it wasn't before) | 01:48 |
| rick_h_ | can you just leave like a 10px or something bottom gutter to help with all that? | 01:48 |
| derekv | i'm trying to use a reletive pixel measure | 01:48 |
| derekv | "sp" which is supposed to be fixed by user prefrence of font size, hardcoding the font to sp and the button height as well | 01:49 |
| rick_h_ | em type thing? | 01:49 |
| rick_h_ | can you set the line height (css like) to something off the sp (em) then? | 01:49 |
| derekv | yea | 01:50 |
| derekv | setting both to sp | 01:50 |
| derekv | font was 15sp (which apperently is defautlt) and button height was 33 | 01:51 |
| derekv | setting the font to 13sp and button height to 33sp fixes it on both my phone and the UI designer but my confidence in the process is shot | 01:52 |
| derekv | I don't understand what is gaurenteed by the model | 01:52 |
| derekv | dropbox down for anyone else? | 02:00 |
| rick_h_ | yea, error page here as well | 02:03 |
| derekv | new york | 02:06 |
| derekv | ? | 02:06 |
| derekv | but then they would have been down for a while... | 02:06 |
| derekv | not that i'd probably notice | 02:06 |
| jjesse-home | i was able to use dropbox earlier today | 02:09 |
| jjesse-home | but it was really slow | 02:09 |
| rick_h_ | cool, seems to work nice here | 02:09 |
| rick_h_ | buttons line up fine | 02:09 |
| rick_h_ | little extra space bettween them, but all good | 02:09 |
| derekv | cool | 02:09 |
| rick_h_ | I like the descriptions for sure | 02:09 |
| jjesse-home | dropbox is up for me but really really slow | 02:09 |
| rick_h_ | definitely needs more than 10 results on the N7 | 02:10 |
| derekv | oh yea | 02:10 |
| derekv | yea i'll fix that now if possible | 02:10 |
| derekv | should be easy | 02:10 |
| derekv | later/now/soon it will be configurable | 02:11 |
| rick_h_ | but yea, if the count and the redirect where fixed up I'd say it'd be a good second release point for it | 02:11 |
| rick_h_ | thanks for poking at it, very cool | 02:11 |
| derekv | then some sort of unending list can be considered | 02:11 |
| rick_h_ | someone in copenhagen was asking if I still ever hacked on my bookmark app and I got to say how not only that, but one guy added RSS support and another worked on a basic android app | 02:12 |
| rick_h_ | community at work :) | 02:12 |
| rick_h_ | <3 | 02:12 |
| rick_h_ | ok, time to take a medically assisted bed time. Night all. | 02:12 |
| rick_h_ | see you on the TGIF side | 02:13 |
| derekv | best of luck | 02:13 |
| derekv | I like the descriptions better as well | 02:20 |
| jrwren | i'm watching Iron Sky. Good god, this movie is terrible. | 02:28 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Were you expecting something like CItizen Kane? | 03:06 |
| jrwren | omfg, USS GWB, this is so bad, i cannot look away | 03:13 |
| jrwren | [A | 03:18 |
| jrwren | i admit, I like something about it. the 1 womans costume is pretty awesome. | 03:18 |
| derekv | I got my original kinesis back | 03:31 |
| derekv | they didn't fix the escape key | 03:31 |
| derekv | but its pretty sweet to be typing on the original again | 03:32 |
| derekv | thing is pretty sensitive | 03:32 |
| derekv | i'm trying to remap esc and capslock | 03:32 |
| derekv | since that makes more sense anyways | 03:32 |
| jrwren | holy shit, ok, terrible movie, when the laibach kicks in it is omg awesome. | 03:33 |
| derekv | I don't know what laibach is so I'm gonig to assume its some sort of narcotic so the sentance makes sense. | 03:34 |
| jrwren | your statement is sad on so many levels :( | 03:37 |
| greg-g | derekv: beer | 03:40 |
| greg-g | its one before maibach | 03:40 |
| jrwren | really? no laibach? | 03:41 |
| jrwren | I'm sure snap-l knows 'em. | 03:41 |
| jrwren | rather iconic german industrial band. | 03:41 |
| snap-l | I know 'em | 03:41 |
| snap-l | Austrian | 03:42 |
| jrwren | *gasp* | 03:42 |
| greg-g | :) | 03:42 |
| jrwren | shows what I know. | 03:42 |
| snap-l | Er, we're both wrong | 03:42 |
| snap-l | Slovenian | 03:42 |
| greg-g | Laibach [ˈlaɪbax] is a Slovenian avant-garde music group associated with industrial, martial, and neo-classical musical styles. Laibach was formed on June 1, 1980 in Trbovlje, Slovenia, at the time SFR Yugoslavia. | 03:42 |
| greg-g | :) | 03:42 |
| jrwren | O_O | 03:43 |
| jrwren | wow. | 03:43 |
| snap-l | jrwren: It's a common mistake though | 03:43 |
| jrwren | i'll bet. | 03:43 |
| greg-g | I thought my maibach joke was good | 03:44 |
| greg-g | :/ | 03:44 |
| Blazeix | chirp chirp | 03:44 |
| snap-l | greg-g: It's a common mistake, though. ;) | 03:44 |
| jrwren | I don't think I've ever thought a movie sucked so bad and then enjoyed the last 5 minutes so much. | 03:44 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Yeah, it's not quality, that's for sure | 03:45 |
| snap-l | It's a spoof movie | 03:45 |
| snap-l | the problem is finding how much is satire | 03:45 |
| jrwren | is it? | 03:45 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Well it isn't a fucking documentary | 03:46 |
| jrwren | seemed like a lot of political commentary to me. | 03:46 |
| jrwren | which was good. | 03:46 |
| snap-l | You can have a spoof and still have a message | 03:46 |
| jrwren | but the end really got me. I went from calling it garbage to worth watching, just for last 5 min. | 03:46 |
| greg-g | huh | 03:47 |
| greg-g | oh right! it was a wreck a movie! | 03:48 |
| jrwren | wreck a movie? | 03:48 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I find things that I initially didn't like tend to be the stuff that I really like a lot later on | 03:48 |
| snap-l | stuff that keeps me thinking about it and coming back | 03:48 |
| snap-l | like Rush's Clockwork Angels | 03:49 |
| jrwren | lol | 03:49 |
| snap-l | Or the D6 game system | 03:49 |
| jrwren | true enough. | 03:49 |
| snap-l | First impressions can be hard to overcome | 03:49 |
| greg-g | jrwren: same people who did https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wreck:_In_the_Pirkinning | 03:49 |
| jrwren | lol, really?? same pepople? awesome/ | 03:49 |
| snap-l | Star Wreck was pretty funky. | 03:49 |
| snap-l | I did not realize Iron Sky was by the same folks that did Star Wreck | 03:51 |
| snap-l | that explains a lot | 03:51 |
| * greg-g hasn't seen, actually, which is wrong, he knows | 03:54 | |
| brousch | Linus using KDE https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/DbmEE8kXLDA | 11:48 |
| rick_h_ | morning | 11:49 |
| rick_h_ | yea, because linux definitely represents the 'normal' user :P | 11:49 |
| brousch | You, me, him. We are normal users of Linux | 11:51 |
| brousch | Geez. He gets a lot of retards commenting on his posts | 11:54 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 11:57 |
| snap-l | brousch: Note that Jesus only had 12 disciples. That's because the rest left idiotic comments on his Youtube videos | 11:58 |
| snap-l | "Sermon on the Mount? More like one-sided discussion on the hilltop, but whatevs." | 12:00 |
| snap-l | "I liked him better when he was performing two fish, one loaf" | 12:01 |
| snap-l | My favorites are the ones where people try to have a different conversation with him | 12:28 |
| snap-l | "Hey Linus, I wanted to know your opinion on..." <- not actual quote, but similar | 12:29 |
| snap-l | "Hey Jesus, we're planning on having a few councils to determine the make-up of the Holy Trinity, and could use a few pointers on how this works. It'll save us some time later on" | 12:30 |
| snap-l | "What we thought was taken care of in the Council of Nicea actually turned into the clusterbleep of the Athanasian Creed, and we only bring that out during Trinity Sunday" | 12:32 |
| snap-l | It's like the superbowl of Christian Belief statements. | 12:32 |
| snap-l | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasian_Creed <- for those who don't know what the heck I'm talking about. | 12:33 |
| nullspace | snap-l: got some religious angst? | 12:34 |
| snap-l | nullspace: No, just pushing the joke beyond it's boundaries. | 12:36 |
| nullspace | ah, well everyone has to have a hobby | 12:37 |
| snap-l | I was brought up in religious schools through college. :) | 12:38 |
| snap-l | Lutheran > Catholic > Reformed Church of America | 12:38 |
| brousch | And you fled across the state to escape? | 12:39 |
| snap-l | Um, I was raised on this side of the state | 12:40 |
| snap-l | went to Hope for 4 years. | 12:40 |
| brousch | ah | 12:40 |
| snap-l | Of course College is where my musical tastes matured. :) | 12:41 |
| nullspace | got tired of organ music huh | 12:43 |
| snap-l | Wow, the network is slow at work | 12:43 |
| snap-l | nullspace: I <3 Organ Music | 12:43 |
| snap-l | JoDee doesn't like it though | 12:43 |
| snap-l | and it's a lot like bluegrass. A little goes a long way | 12:43 |
| snap-l | first song: Why don't I listen to more of this | 12:43 |
| nullspace | but wow lutheran and then catholic, slap in the face to Martin Luther | 12:43 |
| snap-l | second song: Hmm, this is good | 12:44 |
| snap-l | Third song: I'm done | 12:44 |
| snap-l | nullspace: It makes me conversant in both | 12:44 |
| nullspace | if we're talking bach a organ song is pretty long | 12:44 |
| snap-l | and I was one of a few (if any) Lutherans at school | 12:45 |
| snap-l | which meant I was the guy with baloney sandwiches on Fridays during Lent | 12:45 |
| snap-l | Not conciously trying to be a prick, but just not raised in the tradition | 12:46 |
| nullspace | eh following lent to T is kidna our of favor | 12:46 |
| nullspace | out of favor | 12:46 |
| snap-l | nullspace: (shrug). | 12:47 |
| rick_h_ | heh, all depends. My wife still does that every year | 12:47 |
| rick_h_ | though she only gets to church itself once a month these days | 12:48 |
| nullspace | I stopped carring, going once the first preist I knew died and another took over | 12:49 |
| snap-l | nullspace: It's interesting how much you attach to the pastor / priest. | 12:50 |
| nullspace | it went from love, peace and we are all the same to gay bashing, evolution denying, poltical retortic | 12:50 |
| snap-l | That's the other reason. | 12:50 |
| rick_h_ | heh, when we moved here my wife shopped around for months to find the right place | 12:50 |
| rick_h_ | and even then they have 3 different services so she only goes to the one that works for her | 12:50 |
| rick_h_ | religion is very much a buyers market these days :P | 12:50 |
| snap-l | Not that my church did that, but during the GWB years, the fundamentalists started taking over more and more | 12:51 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: snicker. | 12:51 |
| snap-l | WEll, this is entertaining. Work is having trouble with the network. | 12:56 |
| brousch | We had trouble last week | 12:56 |
| brousch | Your turn now | 12:56 |
| snap-l | Thanks for sharing. :) | 12:57 |
| nullspace | is it wrong to think of your IT staff as an auto immune diesase of the network? | 12:58 |
| snap-l | I don't see our IT staff that way. They tend to be pretty good. | 12:59 |
| snap-l | They do ask people to send their network passwords via e-mail on group mailing lists though, so that can be entertaining | 12:59 |
| nullspace | I was suggesting that this is my thought and feeling of my IT staff. | 12:59 |
| snap-l | You're allowed. :) | 13:00 |
| brousch | Heh, Django and others http://goo.gl/Tjdde | 13:09 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: yea...because that means anything at all: http://goo.gl/lvBrR | 13:12 |
| brousch | seems right | 13:13 |
| rick_h_ | so brousch is a closet windows lover :P | 13:13 |
| snap-l | http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=My%20ass%2C%20pancakes&cmpt=q | 13:13 |
| rick_h_ | after all it's more popular | 13:13 |
| snap-l | pancakes are more popular than my ass | 13:13 |
| rick_h_ | color me surprised | 13:13 |
| snap-l | That's because my ass doesn't go well with syrup | 13:14 |
| brousch | that's not what I heard! | 13:14 |
| snap-l | brousch: Oh that's just bloody wonderful. Why not post it on Google or something | 13:16 |
| snap-l | No more midnight rendesvous for you. | 13:16 |
| brousch | eh? | 13:16 |
| brousch | I said I heard, not experienced | 13:16 |
| snap-l | Oh. Um. | 13:16 |
| snap-l | Awkward. | 13:17 |
| snap-l | Well, it was dark | 13:17 |
| nullspace | whttp://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=your%20ass%2C%20pancakes%2C%20my%20ass&cmpt=q | 13:28 |
| tony-smlr | so does that tell us that most people don't know how to put .com after facebook or youtube... | 13:40 |
| snap-l | Hey, who all is planning on being at MUG on the 13th? | 13:59 |
| rick_h_ | maybe | 13:59 |
| snap-l | Trying to wrangle up some folks to talk about what's new in 12.10 | 14:00 |
| snap-l | more of a panel discussion than an actual presentation | 14:00 |
| snap-l | so folks can riff off each other | 14:00 |
| snap-l | Hoping to get jcastro_ and smoser there as well. | 14:00 |
| brousch | Ooooh, a PIL fork http://blog.aclark.net//2012/11/02/pillow-1-7-8/ | 14:09 |
| snap-l | Interesting | 14:09 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: yea, that's been around for a while now | 14:14 |
| rick_h_ | since last pycon I think at least, a lot of people have moved over to it | 14:14 |
| brousch | I hadn't heard of it | 14:27 |
| rick_h_ | doh, even older than that: 1.0 (07/30/2010) | 14:29 |
| rick_h_ | but yea, guess upstream PIL was a pita to work with so pillow forked to try to make things better | 14:30 |
| brousch | I thought PIL was abandonware | 14:33 |
| jrwren | any mk802 people here? | 14:35 |
| * rick_h_ googles mk802 | 14:35 | |
| rick_h_ | ah cool, seeing lots of these types of things coming out | 14:35 |
| jrwren | $41 google tv android device. only $6 more than a rasbpi typeb and WAY more powerful | 14:36 |
| brousch | jrwren: I am considering getting that or Raspberrypi for use with my lapdock | 14:36 |
| krondor | snap-l: what's up with mug? ipv6 talk get canned? | 15:31 |
| krondor | hoping to make it | 15:32 |
| derekv | wtf | 15:50 |
| derekv | android 'httpget' class has a setParamater method | 15:50 |
| derekv | it doesn't do shit | 15:50 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 15:50 |
| derekv | the correct solution is apparently to just build out the url parameters yourself as a string, url encode them and append to the url | 15:50 |
| * derekv throws an exception | 15:51 | |
| derekv | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2959316/how-to-add-parameters-to-a-http-get-request-in-android√http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2959316/how-to-add-parameters-to-a-http-get-request-in-android | 15:52 |
| derekv | what java people think is a good api I guess | 15:52 |
| derekv | no offense to the occupants of the island of java. | 15:53 |
| derekv | man fuck consumers energy right now | 15:57 |
| jrwren | its android, the API is gonna be garbage. no need to bitch. | 16:00 |
| jrwren | why you tripping about consumers? | 16:01 |
| derekv | well, either they, or possibly the city (for water), dug in my front yard yesterday without warning or explination | 16:04 |
| derekv | my gas was shut off in the process | 16:05 |
| derekv | ok... fine... but then I have been priority since last night | 16:05 |
| derekv | they can't schedule and they can't call more than 20minutes ahead | 16:05 |
| derekv | they say the gas is on they just need to com light my pilots | 16:05 |
| derekv | but its bullshit because my furnace won't start and it doesnt' have a pilot | 16:06 |
| jrwren | maybe they cut a gas line | 16:07 |
| jrwren | does it smell like gas outside | 16:07 |
| derekv | so i'm staying home from work to wait on them | 16:07 |
| derekv | which is not great, i'm sortof on watch for that because i've had to take days/mornings off due to migrains | 16:08 |
| jrwren | bummer man. | 16:10 |
| snap-l | http://paulirish.com/2012/chrome-canary-for-developers/ | 16:35 |
| snap-l | krondor: IPv6 is in January, along with a History of Mug presentation | 16:36 |
| krondor | hmmm, I had it in my head as November possibly based on a comment someone made. Oh well, some of our network guys here had interest in that one. | 16:37 |
| snap-l | Yeah, that should be a good one | 16:45 |
| snap-l | krondor: You can still make it out, though. Hint himt | 16:48 |
| krondor | hah, yeah I'll give it a shot | 16:49 |
| snap-l | http://www.mug.org/?page=CiviCRM&q=civicrm/event/ical&reset=1&list=1&html=1 | 16:52 |
| brousch | snap-l: Who's giving the IPv6 talk? | 17:04 |
| rick_h_ | either pancakes or someone's behind... | 17:04 |
| rick_h_ | oh wait, wrong conversation thread :P | 17:04 |
| snap-l | brousch: Jim Smalls | 17:05 |
| brousch | The history of rick_h_'s fetish http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9233085/Past_is_prototype_The_evolution_of_the_computer_keyboard?taxonomyId=235 | 17:10 |
| jrwren | i thought this was everything I needed to know about rick_h's kb: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:KB_Terminal_ADM3A.svg&page=1 | 17:12 |
| jrwren | brousch: that article starts 10yrs too late. | 17:13 |
| jrwren | you gotta go back 10 more years. | 17:13 |
| brousch | They go to 1890 something | 17:13 |
| jrwren | oh. | 17:13 |
| rick_h_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M is what you need to know | 17:13 |
| jrwren | nm. | 17:13 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: FUCK NO | 17:13 |
| jrwren | model-m is shit. | 17:13 |
| jrwren | excellent for mech, terrible for layout. | 17:13 |
| jrwren | ADM3aA | 17:14 |
| rick_h_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckling_spring | 17:14 |
| jrwren | give me ADM3A layout and nice tactile feedback. | 17:14 |
| jrwren | yes, buckling spring is awesome. | 17:14 |
| jrwren | i see. | 17:14 |
| rick_h_ | no windows key for my WM shortcuts in your svg | 17:14 |
| jrwren | it was 1969!!! | 17:15 |
| jrwren | important is the placement of the esc and ctrl | 17:15 |
| rick_h_ | yea, that's the truth | 17:15 |
| rick_h_ | but location is meh, just move the keys around | 17:15 |
| rick_h_ | be it hardware reprogramming (kenisis) or in software | 17:15 |
| rick_h_ | hmm, no tab...I guess I could just space/space/space/space | 17:16 |
| brousch | hehe "As with any bygone technology, though, there are still enthusiasts who swear by the old IBM buckling springs." | 17:17 |
| * rick_h_ gets a soapbox to start the swearing by | 17:18 | |
| rick_h_ | bah, just heard leo and jonathan schwartz refer to 'jsquery' instead of jquery... | 17:21 |
| * rick_h_ 's head explodes | 17:21 | |
| jrwren | ctrl-i is tab :) | 17:21 |
| jrwren | wtf is jsquery? :) | 17:21 |
| rick_h_ | "it's rails and javascript, jsquery and backbone..." | 17:22 |
| jrwren | lol. | 17:29 |
| jrwren | i do hear good things about backbone | 17:29 |
| rick_h_ | ugh | 17:30 |
| brousch | I hear good things about YUI. All of them come from rick_h_ | 17:32 |
| rick_h_ | :P | 17:32 |
| rick_h_ | backbone is ok, but it's a partial solution | 17:32 |
| rick_h_ | so you end up needing a lot more parts to get things together | 17:32 |
| jrwren | partial for what? | 17:33 |
| jrwren | just binding data to dom elements, right? | 17:33 |
| rick_h_ | yea, but then you still need things for class building, dependency tracking, other modules, history handling, storage, etc | 17:33 |
| jrwren | wtf is class building? | 17:33 |
| rick_h_ | well how are you going to standardize your JS classes, usage, etc | 17:34 |
| jrwren | everything else, sure. | 17:34 |
| rick_h_ | do you use new, do you not use new | 17:34 |
| jrwren | JS has classes? | 17:34 |
| jrwren | js has new? | 17:34 |
| rick_h_ | of course, it's a fully OOP language, and yes, it has 'optional' new SomeObject() | 17:34 |
| rick_h_ | all depends on how you construct your classes/functions to work | 17:34 |
| rick_h_ | some is more memory heavy, others are lighter but more verbose/compliacted | 17:34 |
| rick_h_ | wheeee JS and the 20 ways to build a class | 17:35 |
| jrwren | i see. | 17:35 |
| jrwren | i don't sweat that shit. | 17:35 |
| rick_h_ | it adds up when you use backbone and generate 50-100 instances of a model class, plus views for each, plus parent views, plus event constrcution/binding | 17:36 |
| rick_h_ | have to care if you build anything more significant than a todo list :P | 17:36 |
| jrwren | i've never written software that complex :p | 17:36 |
| jrwren | i don't know why I have to care though. | 17:37 |
| rick_h_ | because of the momory/browser performance hit on various ways of doing things | 17:37 |
| jrwren | now THAT is a good reason | 17:38 |
| brousch | Hm, is modern-package-template broken? | 18:47 |
| brousch | I tried to pip install it into a new virtualenv and it failed | 18:48 |
| brousch | Huh, and now it works | 18:48 |
| brousch | freakish | 18:49 |
| snap-l | brousch: IT's a little touchy | 18:51 |
| brousch | What's the difference between MIT and BSD licenses? | 18:52 |
| brousch | NVM, I should use what the project I'm building on is using: Apache License 2.0 | 18:55 |
| brousch | I have to install it twice. first time fails half way through, then the second time works | 18:58 |
| rick_h_ | <3 http://www.hulu.com/watch/420481 | 19:13 |
| snap-l | ++ | 19:15 |
| greg-g | is that the ipab mini ad? | 19:24 |
| greg-g | pad | 19:24 |
| snap-l | Yes | 19:24 |
| snap-l | btw: OMC is on http://metalinjection.fm | 19:24 |
| snap-l | There's currently 3 listeners, and I want more. :) | 19:24 |
| widox | rick_h_: that's hilarious | 19:29 |
| snap-l | I <3 this song | 19:54 |
| snap-l | Odino and Valhalla by Nanowar | 19:54 |
| jrwren | Manowar | 19:55 |
| snap-l | No, Nanowar | 19:56 |
| snap-l | http://www.jamendo.com/en/list/a75948/into-gay-pride-ride | 19:56 |
| snap-l | pro-tip: WHen your wife is exhausted with dealing with her father, the last thing you should suggest is cleaning out the den | 20:12 |
| brousch | "Oh, while you're up, would you mind washing the car?" | 20:18 |
| brousch | snap-l: Where'd you get this one? I have some Antipatheia, but not this | 20:24 |
| snap-l | brousch: Well, it was on Jamendo | 20:28 |
| brousch | not CC on bandcamp :( http://antipathiea.bandcamp.com/ | 20:28 |
| snap-l | http://archive.org/details/jamendo-099834 | 20:28 |
| brousch | Geekers | 20:29 |
| snap-l | I hate when bands do that. | 20:29 |
| snap-l | btw: There's a meeting this weekend | 21:22 |
| rick_h_ | party | 23:27 |
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