[01:43] <derekv> whats the typographic term for parts of the letter that go below the line
[01:45] <Blazeix> descender
[01:46] <rick_h_> yea, think you can adjust things like line-height in css to adjust how that descender fits around but not sure tbh
[01:47] <derekv> I can't recreate the issue where the buttons seem cropped in the android bookie client
[01:47] <derekv> But in the ui desiner I can notice the tail on the g is a bit cropped
[01:47] <rick_h_> ugh, that sucks that it breaks down to device testing like that
[01:48] <derekv> so I'm working to eliminate that, i get rid of it in the ui designer, then run it on the phone and it appears there (where it wasn't before)
[01:48] <rick_h_> can you just leave like a 10px or something bottom gutter to help with all that?
[01:48] <derekv> i'm trying to use a reletive pixel measure
[01:49] <derekv> "sp" which is supposed to be fixed by user prefrence of font size, hardcoding the font to sp and the button height as well
[01:49] <rick_h_> em type thing?
[01:49] <rick_h_> can you set the line height (css like) to something off the sp (em) then?
[01:50] <derekv> yea
[01:50] <derekv> setting both to sp
[01:51] <derekv> font was 15sp (which apperently is defautlt) and button height was 33
[01:52] <derekv> setting the font to 13sp and button height to 33sp fixes it on both my phone and the UI designer but my confidence in the process is shot
[01:52] <derekv> I don't understand what is gaurenteed by the model
[02:00] <derekv> dropbox down for anyone else?
[02:03] <rick_h_> yea, error page here as well
[02:06] <derekv> new york
[02:06] <derekv> ?
[02:06] <derekv> but then they would have been down for a while...
[02:06] <derekv> not that i'd probably notice
[02:09] <jjesse-home> i was able to use dropbox earlier today
[02:09] <jjesse-home> but it was really slow
[02:09] <rick_h_> cool, seems to work nice here
[02:09] <rick_h_> buttons line up fine
[02:09] <rick_h_> little extra space bettween them, but all good
[02:09] <derekv> cool
[02:09] <rick_h_> I like the descriptions for sure
[02:09] <jjesse-home> dropbox is up for me but really really slow
[02:10] <rick_h_> definitely needs more than 10 results on the N7
[02:10] <derekv> oh yea
[02:10] <derekv> yea i'll fix that now if possible
[02:10] <derekv> should be easy
[02:11] <derekv> later/now/soon it will be configurable
[02:11] <rick_h_> but yea, if the count and the redirect where fixed up I'd say it'd be a good second release point for it
[02:11] <rick_h_> thanks for poking at it, very cool
[02:11] <derekv> then some sort of unending list can be considered
[02:12] <rick_h_> someone in copenhagen was asking if I still ever hacked on my bookmark app and I got to say how not only that, but one guy added RSS support and another worked on a basic android app
[02:12] <rick_h_> community at work :)
[02:12] <rick_h_> <3
[02:12] <rick_h_> ok, time to take a medically assisted bed time. Night all.
[02:13] <rick_h_> see you on the TGIF side
[02:13] <derekv> best of luck
[02:20] <derekv> I like the descriptions better as well
[02:28] <jrwren> i'm watching Iron Sky. Good god, this movie is terrible.
[03:06] <snap-l> jrwren: Were you expecting something like CItizen Kane?
[03:13] <jrwren>  omfg, USS GWB, this is so bad, i cannot look away
[03:18] <jrwren> [A
[03:18] <jrwren> i admit, I like something about it. the 1 womans costume is pretty awesome.
[03:31] <derekv> I got my original kinesis back
[03:31] <derekv> they didn't fix the escape key
[03:32] <derekv> but its pretty sweet to be typing on the original again
[03:32] <derekv> thing is pretty sensitive
[03:32] <derekv> i'm trying to remap esc and capslock
[03:32] <derekv> since that makes more sense anyways
[03:33] <jrwren> holy shit, ok, terrible movie, when the laibach kicks in it is omg awesome.
[03:34] <derekv> I don't know what laibach is so I'm gonig to assume its some sort of narcotic so the sentance makes sense.
[03:37] <jrwren> your statement is sad on so many levels :(
[03:40] <greg-g> derekv: beer
[03:40] <greg-g> its one before maibach
[03:41] <jrwren> really? no laibach?
[03:41] <jrwren> I'm sure snap-l knows 'em.
[03:41] <jrwren> rather iconic german industrial band.
[03:41] <snap-l> I know 'em
[03:42] <snap-l> Austrian
[03:42] <jrwren> *gasp*
[03:42] <greg-g> :)
[03:42] <jrwren> shows what I know.
[03:42] <snap-l> Er, we're both wrong
[03:42] <snap-l> Slovenian
[03:42] <greg-g> Laibach [ˈlaɪbax] is a Slovenian avant-garde music group associated with industrial, martial, and neo-classical musical styles. Laibach was formed on June 1, 1980 in Trbovlje, Slovenia, at the time SFR Yugoslavia.
[03:42] <greg-g> :)
[03:43] <jrwren> O_O
[03:43] <jrwren> wow.
[03:43] <snap-l> jrwren: It's a common mistake though
[03:43] <jrwren> i'll bet.
[03:44] <greg-g> I thought my maibach joke was good
[03:44] <greg-g> :/
[03:44] <Blazeix> chirp chirp
[03:44] <snap-l> greg-g: It's a common mistake, though. ;)
[03:44] <jrwren> I don't think I've ever thought a movie sucked so bad and then enjoyed the last 5 minutes so much.
[03:45] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, it's not quality, that's for sure
[03:45] <snap-l> It's a spoof movie
[03:45] <snap-l> the problem is finding how much is satire
[03:45] <jrwren> is it?
[03:46] <snap-l> jrwren: Well it isn't a fucking documentary
[03:46] <jrwren> seemed like a lot of political commentary to me.
[03:46] <jrwren> which was good.
[03:46] <snap-l> You can have a spoof and still have a message
[03:46] <jrwren> but the end really got me. I went from calling it garbage to worth watching, just for last 5 min.
[03:47] <greg-g> huh
[03:48] <greg-g> oh right! it was a wreck a movie!
[03:48] <jrwren> wreck a movie?
[03:48] <snap-l> jrwren: I find things that I initially didn't like tend to be the stuff that I really like a lot later on
[03:48] <snap-l> stuff that keeps me thinking about it and coming back
[03:49] <snap-l> like Rush's Clockwork Angels
[03:49] <jrwren> lol
[03:49] <snap-l> Or the D6 game system
[03:49] <jrwren> true enough.
[03:49] <snap-l> First impressions can be hard to overcome
[03:49] <greg-g> jrwren: same people who did https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wreck:_In_the_Pirkinning
[03:49] <jrwren> lol, really?? same pepople? awesome/
[03:49] <snap-l> Star Wreck was pretty funky.
[03:51] <snap-l> I did not realize Iron Sky was by the same folks that did Star Wreck
[03:51] <snap-l> that explains a lot
[03:54]  * greg-g hasn't seen, actually, which is wrong, he knows
[11:48] <brousch> Linus using KDE https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/DbmEE8kXLDA
[11:49] <rick_h_> morning
[11:49] <rick_h_> yea, because linux definitely represents the 'normal' user :P
[11:51] <brousch> You, me, him. We are normal users of Linux
[11:54] <brousch> Geez. He gets a lot of retards commenting on his posts
[11:57] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:58] <snap-l> brousch: Note that Jesus only had 12 disciples. That's because the rest left idiotic comments on his Youtube videos
[12:00] <snap-l> "Sermon on the Mount? More like one-sided discussion on the hilltop, but whatevs."
[12:01] <snap-l> "I liked him better when he was performing two fish, one loaf"
[12:28] <snap-l> My favorites are the ones where people try to have a different conversation with him
[12:29] <snap-l> "Hey Linus, I wanted to know your opinion on..." <- not actual quote, but similar
[12:30] <snap-l> "Hey Jesus, we're planning on having a few councils to determine the make-up of the Holy Trinity, and could use a few pointers on how this works. It'll save us some time later on"
[12:32] <snap-l> "What we thought was taken care of in the Council of Nicea actually turned into the clusterbleep of the Athanasian Creed, and we only bring that out during Trinity Sunday"
[12:32] <snap-l> It's like the superbowl of Christian Belief statements.
[12:33] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasian_Creed <- for those who don't know what the heck I'm talking about.
[12:34] <nullspace> snap-l: got some religious angst?
[12:36] <snap-l> nullspace: No, just pushing the joke beyond it's boundaries.
[12:37] <nullspace> ah, well everyone has to have a hobby
[12:38] <snap-l> I was brought up in religious schools through college. :)
[12:38] <snap-l> Lutheran > Catholic > Reformed Church of America
[12:39] <brousch> And you fled across the state to escape?
[12:40] <snap-l> Um, I was raised on this side of the state
[12:40] <snap-l> went to Hope for 4 years.
[12:40] <brousch> ah
[12:41] <snap-l> Of course College is where my musical tastes matured. :)
[12:43] <nullspace> got tired of organ music huh
[12:43] <snap-l> Wow, the network is slow at work
[12:43] <snap-l> nullspace: I <3 Organ Music
[12:43] <snap-l> JoDee doesn't like it though
[12:43] <snap-l> and it's a lot like bluegrass. A little goes a long way
[12:43] <snap-l> first song: Why don't I listen to more of this
[12:43] <nullspace> but wow lutheran and then catholic, slap in the face to Martin Luther
[12:44] <snap-l> second song: Hmm, this is good
[12:44] <snap-l> Third song: I'm done
[12:44] <snap-l> nullspace: It makes me conversant in both
[12:44] <nullspace> if we're talking bach a organ song is pretty long
[12:45] <snap-l> and  I was one of a few (if any) Lutherans at school
[12:45] <snap-l> which meant I was the guy with baloney sandwiches on Fridays during Lent
[12:46] <snap-l> Not conciously trying to be a prick, but just not raised in the tradition
[12:46] <nullspace> eh following lent to T is kidna our of favor
[12:46] <nullspace> out of favor
[12:47] <snap-l> nullspace: (shrug).
[12:47] <rick_h_> heh, all depends. My wife still does that every year
[12:48] <rick_h_> though she only gets to church itself once a month these days
[12:49] <nullspace> I stopped carring, going once the first preist I knew died and another took over
[12:50] <snap-l> nullspace: It's interesting how much you attach to the pastor / priest.
[12:50] <nullspace> it went from love, peace and we are all the same to gay bashing, evolution denying, poltical retortic
[12:50] <snap-l> That's the other reason.
[12:50] <rick_h_> heh, when we moved here my wife shopped around for months to find the right place
[12:50] <rick_h_> and even then they have 3 different services so she only goes to the one that works for her
[12:50] <rick_h_> religion is very much a buyers market these days :P
[12:51] <snap-l> Not that my church did that, but during the GWB years, the fundamentalists started taking over more and more
[12:51] <snap-l> rick_h_: snicker.
[12:56] <snap-l> WEll, this is entertaining. Work is having trouble with the network.
[12:56] <brousch> We had trouble last week
[12:56] <brousch> Your turn now
[12:57] <snap-l> Thanks for sharing. :)
[12:58] <nullspace> is it wrong to think of your IT staff as an auto immune diesase of the network?
[12:59] <snap-l> I don't see our IT staff that way. They tend to be pretty good.
[12:59] <snap-l> They do ask people to send their network passwords via e-mail on group mailing lists though, so that can be entertaining
[12:59] <nullspace> I was suggesting that this is my thought and feeling of my IT staff.
[13:00] <snap-l> You're allowed. :)
[13:09] <brousch> Heh, Django and others http://goo.gl/Tjdde
[13:12] <rick_h_> brousch: yea...because that means anything at all: http://goo.gl/lvBrR
[13:13] <brousch> seems right
[13:13] <rick_h_> so brousch is a closet windows lover :P
[13:13] <snap-l> http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=My%20ass%2C%20pancakes&cmpt=q
[13:13] <rick_h_> after all it's more popular
[13:13] <snap-l> pancakes are more popular than my ass
[13:13] <rick_h_> color me surprised
[13:14] <snap-l> That's because my ass doesn't go well with syrup
[13:14] <brousch> that's not what I heard!
[13:16] <snap-l> brousch: Oh that's just bloody wonderful. Why not post it on Google or something
[13:16] <snap-l> No more midnight rendesvous for you.
[13:16] <brousch> eh?
[13:16] <brousch> I said I heard, not experienced
[13:16] <snap-l> Oh. Um.
[13:17] <snap-l> Awkward.
[13:17] <snap-l> Well, it was dark
[13:28] <nullspace> whttp://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=your%20ass%2C%20pancakes%2C%20my%20ass&cmpt=q
[13:40] <tony-smlr> so does that tell us that most people don't know how to put .com after facebook or youtube...
[13:59] <snap-l> Hey, who all is planning on being at MUG on the 13th?
[13:59] <rick_h_> maybe
[14:00] <snap-l> Trying to wrangle up some folks to talk about what's new in 12.10
[14:00] <snap-l> more of a panel discussion than an actual presentation
[14:00] <snap-l> so folks can riff off each other
[14:00] <snap-l> Hoping to get jcastro_ and smoser there as well.
[14:09] <brousch> Ooooh, a PIL fork http://blog.aclark.net//2012/11/02/pillow-1-7-8/
[14:09] <snap-l> Interesting
[14:14] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, that's been around for a while now
[14:14] <rick_h_> since last pycon I think at least, a lot of people have moved over to it
[14:27] <brousch> I hadn't heard of it
[14:29] <rick_h_> doh, even older than that: 1.0 (07/30/2010)
[14:30] <rick_h_> but yea, guess upstream PIL was a pita to work with so pillow forked to try to make things better
[14:33] <brousch> I thought PIL was abandonware
[14:35] <jrwren> any mk802 people here?
[14:35]  * rick_h_ googles mk802
[14:35] <rick_h_> ah cool, seeing lots of these types of things coming out
[14:36] <jrwren> $41 google tv android device. only $6 more than a rasbpi typeb and WAY more powerful
[14:36] <brousch> jrwren: I am considering getting that or Raspberrypi for use with my lapdock
[15:31] <krondor> snap-l: what's up with mug?  ipv6 talk get canned?
[15:32] <krondor> hoping to make it
[15:50] <derekv> wtf
[15:50] <derekv> android 'httpget' class has a setParamater method
[15:50] <derekv> it doesn't do shit
[15:50] <rick_h_> lol
[15:50] <derekv> the correct solution is apparently to just build out the url parameters yourself as a string, url encode them and append to the url
[15:51]  * derekv throws an exception
[15:52] <derekv> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2959316/how-to-add-parameters-to-a-http-get-request-in-android√http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2959316/how-to-add-parameters-to-a-http-get-request-in-android
[15:52] <derekv> what java people think is a good api I guess
[15:53] <derekv> no offense to the occupants of the island of java.
[15:57] <derekv> man fuck consumers energy right now
[16:00] <jrwren> its android, the API is gonna be garbage. no need to bitch.
[16:01] <jrwren> why you tripping about consumers?
[16:04] <derekv> well, either they, or possibly the city (for water), dug in my front yard yesterday without warning or explination
[16:05] <derekv> my gas was shut off in the process
[16:05] <derekv> ok... fine... but then I have been priority since last night
[16:05] <derekv> they can't schedule and they can't call more than 20minutes ahead
[16:05] <derekv> they say the gas is on they just need to com light my pilots
[16:06] <derekv> but its bullshit because my furnace won't start and it doesnt' have a pilot
[16:07] <jrwren> maybe they cut a gas line
[16:07] <jrwren> does it smell like gas outside
[16:07] <derekv> so i'm staying home from work to wait on them
[16:08] <derekv> which is not great, i'm sortof on watch for that because i've had to take days/mornings off due to migrains
[16:10] <jrwren> bummer man.
[16:35] <snap-l> http://paulirish.com/2012/chrome-canary-for-developers/
[16:36] <snap-l> krondor: IPv6 is in January, along with a History of Mug presentation
[16:37] <krondor> hmmm, I had it in my head as November possibly based on a comment someone made.  Oh well, some of our network guys here had interest in that one.
[16:45] <snap-l> Yeah, that should be a good one
[16:48] <snap-l> krondor: You can still make it out, though. Hint himt
[16:49] <krondor> hah, yeah I'll give it a shot
[16:52] <snap-l> http://www.mug.org/?page=CiviCRM&q=civicrm/event/ical&reset=1&list=1&html=1
[17:04] <brousch> snap-l:  Who's giving the IPv6 talk?
[17:04] <rick_h_> either pancakes or someone's behind...
[17:04] <rick_h_> oh wait, wrong conversation thread :P
[17:05] <snap-l> brousch: Jim Smalls
[17:10] <brousch> The history of rick_h_'s fetish http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9233085/Past_is_prototype_The_evolution_of_the_computer_keyboard?taxonomyId=235
[17:12] <jrwren> i thought this was everything I needed to know about rick_h's kb: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:KB_Terminal_ADM3A.svg&page=1
[17:13] <jrwren> brousch: that article starts 10yrs too late.
[17:13] <jrwren> you gotta go back 10 more years.
[17:13] <brousch> They go to 1890 something
[17:13] <jrwren> oh.
[17:13] <rick_h_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M is what you need to know
[17:13] <jrwren> nm.
[17:13] <jrwren> rick_h_: FUCK NO
[17:13] <jrwren> model-m is shit.
[17:13] <jrwren> excellent for mech, terrible for layout.
[17:14] <jrwren> ADM3aA
[17:14] <rick_h_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckling_spring
[17:14] <jrwren> give me ADM3A layout and nice tactile feedback.
[17:14] <jrwren> yes, buckling spring is awesome.
[17:14] <jrwren> i see.
[17:14] <rick_h_> no windows key for my WM shortcuts in your svg
[17:15] <jrwren> it was 1969!!!
[17:15] <jrwren> important is the placement of the esc and ctrl
[17:15] <rick_h_> yea, that's the truth
[17:15] <rick_h_> but location is meh, just move the keys around
[17:15] <rick_h_> be it hardware reprogramming (kenisis) or in software
[17:16] <rick_h_> hmm, no tab...I guess I could just space/space/space/space
[17:17] <brousch> hehe "As with any bygone technology, though, there are still enthusiasts who swear by the old IBM buckling springs."
[17:18]  * rick_h_ gets a soapbox to start the swearing by
[17:21] <rick_h_> bah, just heard leo and jonathan schwartz refer to 'jsquery' instead of jquery...
[17:21]  * rick_h_ 's head explodes
[17:21] <jrwren> ctrl-i is tab :)
[17:21] <jrwren> wtf is jsquery? :)
[17:22] <rick_h_> "it's rails and javascript, jsquery and backbone..."
[17:29] <jrwren> lol.
[17:29] <jrwren> i do hear good things about backbone
[17:30] <rick_h_> ugh
[17:32] <brousch> I hear good things about YUI. All of them come from rick_h_
[17:32] <rick_h_> :P
[17:32] <rick_h_> backbone is ok, but it's a partial solution
[17:32] <rick_h_> so you end up needing a lot more parts to get things together
[17:33] <jrwren> partial for what?
[17:33] <jrwren> just binding data to dom elements, right?
[17:33] <rick_h_> yea, but then you still need things for class building, dependency tracking, other modules, history handling, storage, etc
[17:33] <jrwren> wtf is class building?
[17:34] <rick_h_> well how are you going to standardize your JS classes, usage, etc
[17:34] <jrwren> everything else, sure.
[17:34] <rick_h_> do you use new, do you not use new
[17:34] <jrwren> JS has classes?
[17:34] <jrwren> js has new?
[17:34] <rick_h_> of course, it's a fully OOP language, and yes, it has 'optional' new SomeObject()
[17:34] <rick_h_> all depends on how you construct your classes/functions to work
[17:34] <rick_h_> some is more memory heavy, others are lighter but more verbose/compliacted
[17:35] <rick_h_> wheeee JS and the 20 ways to build a class
[17:35] <jrwren> i see.
[17:35] <jrwren> i don't sweat that shit.
[17:36] <rick_h_> it adds up when you use backbone and generate 50-100 instances of a model class, plus views for each, plus parent views, plus event constrcution/binding
[17:36] <rick_h_> have to care if you build anything more significant than a todo list :P
[17:36] <jrwren> i've never written software that complex :p
[17:37] <jrwren> i don't know why I have to care though.
[17:37] <rick_h_> because of the momory/browser performance hit on various ways of doing things
[17:38] <jrwren> now THAT is a good reason
[18:47] <brousch> Hm, is modern-package-template broken?
[18:48] <brousch> I tried to pip install it into a new virtualenv and it failed
[18:48] <brousch> Huh, and now it works
[18:49] <brousch> freakish
[18:51] <snap-l> brousch: IT's a little touchy
[18:52] <brousch> What's the difference between MIT and BSD licenses?
[18:55] <brousch> NVM, I should use what the project I'm building on is using: Apache License 2.0
[18:58] <brousch> I have to install it twice. first time fails half way through, then the second time works
[19:13] <rick_h_> <3 http://www.hulu.com/watch/420481
[19:15] <snap-l> ++
[19:24] <greg-g> is that the ipab mini ad?
[19:24] <greg-g> pad
[19:24] <snap-l> Yes
[19:24] <snap-l> btw: OMC is on http://metalinjection.fm
[19:24] <snap-l> There's currently 3 listeners, and I want more. :)
[19:29] <widox> rick_h_: that's hilarious
[19:54] <snap-l> I <3 this song
[19:54] <snap-l> Odino and Valhalla by Nanowar
[19:55] <jrwren> Manowar
[19:56] <snap-l> No, Nanowar
[19:56] <snap-l> http://www.jamendo.com/en/list/a75948/into-gay-pride-ride
[20:12] <snap-l> pro-tip: WHen your wife is exhausted with dealing with her father, the last thing you should suggest is cleaning out the den
[20:18] <brousch> "Oh, while you're up, would you mind washing the car?"
[20:24] <brousch> snap-l: Where'd you get this one? I have some Antipatheia, but not this
[20:28] <snap-l> brousch: Well, it was on  Jamendo
[20:28] <brousch> not CC on bandcamp :( http://antipathiea.bandcamp.com/
[20:28] <snap-l> http://archive.org/details/jamendo-099834
[20:29] <brousch> Geekers
[20:29] <snap-l> I hate when bands do that.
[21:22] <snap-l> btw: There's a meeting this weekend
[23:27] <rick_h_> party