[01:43] whats the typographic term for parts of the letter that go below the line [01:45] descender [01:46] yea, think you can adjust things like line-height in css to adjust how that descender fits around but not sure tbh [01:47] I can't recreate the issue where the buttons seem cropped in the android bookie client [01:47] But in the ui desiner I can notice the tail on the g is a bit cropped [01:47] ugh, that sucks that it breaks down to device testing like that [01:48] so I'm working to eliminate that, i get rid of it in the ui designer, then run it on the phone and it appears there (where it wasn't before) [01:48] can you just leave like a 10px or something bottom gutter to help with all that? [01:48] i'm trying to use a reletive pixel measure [01:49] "sp" which is supposed to be fixed by user prefrence of font size, hardcoding the font to sp and the button height as well [01:49] em type thing? [01:49] can you set the line height (css like) to something off the sp (em) then? [01:50] yea [01:50] setting both to sp [01:51] font was 15sp (which apperently is defautlt) and button height was 33 [01:52] setting the font to 13sp and button height to 33sp fixes it on both my phone and the UI designer but my confidence in the process is shot [01:52] I don't understand what is gaurenteed by the model [02:00] dropbox down for anyone else? [02:03] yea, error page here as well [02:06] new york [02:06] ? [02:06] but then they would have been down for a while... [02:06] not that i'd probably notice [02:09] i was able to use dropbox earlier today [02:09] but it was really slow [02:09] cool, seems to work nice here [02:09] buttons line up fine [02:09] little extra space bettween them, but all good [02:09] cool [02:09] I like the descriptions for sure [02:09] dropbox is up for me but really really slow [02:10] definitely needs more than 10 results on the N7 [02:10] oh yea [02:10] yea i'll fix that now if possible [02:10] should be easy [02:11] later/now/soon it will be configurable [02:11] but yea, if the count and the redirect where fixed up I'd say it'd be a good second release point for it [02:11] thanks for poking at it, very cool [02:11] then some sort of unending list can be considered [02:12] someone in copenhagen was asking if I still ever hacked on my bookmark app and I got to say how not only that, but one guy added RSS support and another worked on a basic android app [02:12] community at work :) [02:12] <3 [02:12] ok, time to take a medically assisted bed time. Night all. [02:13] see you on the TGIF side [02:13] best of luck [02:20] I like the descriptions better as well [02:28] i'm watching Iron Sky. Good god, this movie is terrible. [03:06] jrwren: Were you expecting something like CItizen Kane? [03:13] omfg, USS GWB, this is so bad, i cannot look away [03:18] [A [03:18] i admit, I like something about it. the 1 womans costume is pretty awesome. [03:31] I got my original kinesis back [03:31] they didn't fix the escape key [03:32] but its pretty sweet to be typing on the original again [03:32] thing is pretty sensitive [03:32] i'm trying to remap esc and capslock [03:32] since that makes more sense anyways [03:33] holy shit, ok, terrible movie, when the laibach kicks in it is omg awesome. [03:34] I don't know what laibach is so I'm gonig to assume its some sort of narcotic so the sentance makes sense. [03:37] your statement is sad on so many levels :( [03:40] derekv: beer [03:40] its one before maibach [03:41] really? no laibach? [03:41] I'm sure snap-l knows 'em. [03:41] rather iconic german industrial band. [03:41] I know 'em [03:42] Austrian [03:42] *gasp* [03:42] :) [03:42] shows what I know. [03:42] Er, we're both wrong [03:42] Slovenian [03:42] Laibach [ˈlaɪbax] is a Slovenian avant-garde music group associated with industrial, martial, and neo-classical musical styles. Laibach was formed on June 1, 1980 in Trbovlje, Slovenia, at the time SFR Yugoslavia. [03:42] :) [03:43] O_O [03:43] wow. [03:43] jrwren: It's a common mistake though [03:43] i'll bet. [03:44] I thought my maibach joke was good [03:44] :/ [03:44] chirp chirp [03:44] greg-g: It's a common mistake, though. ;) [03:44] I don't think I've ever thought a movie sucked so bad and then enjoyed the last 5 minutes so much. [03:45] jrwren: Yeah, it's not quality, that's for sure [03:45] It's a spoof movie [03:45] the problem is finding how much is satire [03:45] is it? [03:46] jrwren: Well it isn't a fucking documentary [03:46] seemed like a lot of political commentary to me. [03:46] which was good. [03:46] You can have a spoof and still have a message [03:46] but the end really got me. I went from calling it garbage to worth watching, just for last 5 min. [03:47] huh [03:48] oh right! it was a wreck a movie! [03:48] wreck a movie? [03:48] jrwren: I find things that I initially didn't like tend to be the stuff that I really like a lot later on [03:48] stuff that keeps me thinking about it and coming back [03:49] like Rush's Clockwork Angels [03:49] lol [03:49] Or the D6 game system [03:49] true enough. [03:49] First impressions can be hard to overcome [03:49] jrwren: same people who did https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wreck:_In_the_Pirkinning [03:49] lol, really?? same pepople? awesome/ [03:49] Star Wreck was pretty funky. [03:51] I did not realize Iron Sky was by the same folks that did Star Wreck [03:51] that explains a lot [03:54] * greg-g hasn't seen, actually, which is wrong, he knows [11:48] Linus using KDE https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/DbmEE8kXLDA [11:49] morning [11:49] yea, because linux definitely represents the 'normal' user :P [11:51] You, me, him. We are normal users of Linux [11:54] Geez. He gets a lot of retards commenting on his posts [11:57] Good morning [11:58] brousch: Note that Jesus only had 12 disciples. That's because the rest left idiotic comments on his Youtube videos [12:00] "Sermon on the Mount? More like one-sided discussion on the hilltop, but whatevs." [12:01] "I liked him better when he was performing two fish, one loaf" [12:28] My favorites are the ones where people try to have a different conversation with him [12:29] "Hey Linus, I wanted to know your opinion on..." <- not actual quote, but similar [12:30] "Hey Jesus, we're planning on having a few councils to determine the make-up of the Holy Trinity, and could use a few pointers on how this works. It'll save us some time later on" [12:32] "What we thought was taken care of in the Council of Nicea actually turned into the clusterbleep of the Athanasian Creed, and we only bring that out during Trinity Sunday" [12:32] It's like the superbowl of Christian Belief statements. [12:33] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasian_Creed <- for those who don't know what the heck I'm talking about. [12:34] snap-l: got some religious angst? [12:36] nullspace: No, just pushing the joke beyond it's boundaries. [12:37] ah, well everyone has to have a hobby [12:38] I was brought up in religious schools through college. :) [12:38] Lutheran > Catholic > Reformed Church of America [12:39] And you fled across the state to escape? [12:40] Um, I was raised on this side of the state [12:40] went to Hope for 4 years. [12:40] ah [12:41] Of course College is where my musical tastes matured. :) [12:43] got tired of organ music huh [12:43] Wow, the network is slow at work [12:43] nullspace: I <3 Organ Music [12:43] JoDee doesn't like it though [12:43] and it's a lot like bluegrass. A little goes a long way [12:43] first song: Why don't I listen to more of this [12:43] but wow lutheran and then catholic, slap in the face to Martin Luther [12:44] second song: Hmm, this is good [12:44] Third song: I'm done [12:44] nullspace: It makes me conversant in both [12:44] if we're talking bach a organ song is pretty long [12:45] and I was one of a few (if any) Lutherans at school [12:45] which meant I was the guy with baloney sandwiches on Fridays during Lent [12:46] Not conciously trying to be a prick, but just not raised in the tradition [12:46] eh following lent to T is kidna our of favor [12:46] out of favor [12:47] nullspace: (shrug). [12:47] heh, all depends. My wife still does that every year [12:48] though she only gets to church itself once a month these days [12:49] I stopped carring, going once the first preist I knew died and another took over [12:50] nullspace: It's interesting how much you attach to the pastor / priest. [12:50] it went from love, peace and we are all the same to gay bashing, evolution denying, poltical retortic [12:50] That's the other reason. [12:50] heh, when we moved here my wife shopped around for months to find the right place [12:50] and even then they have 3 different services so she only goes to the one that works for her [12:50] religion is very much a buyers market these days :P [12:51] Not that my church did that, but during the GWB years, the fundamentalists started taking over more and more [12:51] rick_h_: snicker. [12:56] WEll, this is entertaining. Work is having trouble with the network. [12:56] We had trouble last week [12:56] Your turn now [12:57] Thanks for sharing. :) [12:58] is it wrong to think of your IT staff as an auto immune diesase of the network? [12:59] I don't see our IT staff that way. They tend to be pretty good. [12:59] They do ask people to send their network passwords via e-mail on group mailing lists though, so that can be entertaining [12:59] I was suggesting that this is my thought and feeling of my IT staff. [13:00] You're allowed. :) [13:09] Heh, Django and others http://goo.gl/Tjdde [13:12] brousch: yea...because that means anything at all: http://goo.gl/lvBrR [13:13] seems right [13:13] so brousch is a closet windows lover :P [13:13] http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=My%20ass%2C%20pancakes&cmpt=q [13:13] after all it's more popular [13:13] pancakes are more popular than my ass [13:13] color me surprised [13:14] That's because my ass doesn't go well with syrup [13:14] that's not what I heard! [13:16] brousch: Oh that's just bloody wonderful. Why not post it on Google or something [13:16] No more midnight rendesvous for you. [13:16] eh? [13:16] I said I heard, not experienced [13:16] Oh. Um. [13:17] Awkward. [13:17] Well, it was dark [13:28] whttp://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=your%20ass%2C%20pancakes%2C%20my%20ass&cmpt=q [13:40] so does that tell us that most people don't know how to put .com after facebook or youtube... [13:59] Hey, who all is planning on being at MUG on the 13th? [13:59] maybe [14:00] Trying to wrangle up some folks to talk about what's new in 12.10 [14:00] more of a panel discussion than an actual presentation [14:00] so folks can riff off each other [14:00] Hoping to get jcastro_ and smoser there as well. [14:09] Ooooh, a PIL fork http://blog.aclark.net//2012/11/02/pillow-1-7-8/ [14:09] Interesting [14:14] brousch: yea, that's been around for a while now [14:14] since last pycon I think at least, a lot of people have moved over to it [14:27] I hadn't heard of it [14:29] doh, even older than that: 1.0 (07/30/2010) [14:30] but yea, guess upstream PIL was a pita to work with so pillow forked to try to make things better [14:33] I thought PIL was abandonware [14:35] any mk802 people here? [14:35] * rick_h_ googles mk802 [14:35] ah cool, seeing lots of these types of things coming out [14:36] $41 google tv android device. only $6 more than a rasbpi typeb and WAY more powerful [14:36] jrwren: I am considering getting that or Raspberrypi for use with my lapdock [15:31] snap-l: what's up with mug? ipv6 talk get canned? [15:32] hoping to make it [15:50] wtf [15:50] android 'httpget' class has a setParamater method [15:50] it doesn't do shit [15:50] lol [15:50] the correct solution is apparently to just build out the url parameters yourself as a string, url encode them and append to the url [15:51] * derekv throws an exception [15:52] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2959316/how-to-add-parameters-to-a-http-get-request-in-android√http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2959316/how-to-add-parameters-to-a-http-get-request-in-android [15:52] what java people think is a good api I guess [15:53] no offense to the occupants of the island of java. [15:57] man fuck consumers energy right now [16:00] its android, the API is gonna be garbage. no need to bitch. [16:01] why you tripping about consumers? [16:04] well, either they, or possibly the city (for water), dug in my front yard yesterday without warning or explination [16:05] my gas was shut off in the process [16:05] ok... fine... but then I have been priority since last night [16:05] they can't schedule and they can't call more than 20minutes ahead [16:05] they say the gas is on they just need to com light my pilots [16:06] but its bullshit because my furnace won't start and it doesnt' have a pilot [16:07] maybe they cut a gas line [16:07] does it smell like gas outside [16:07] so i'm staying home from work to wait on them [16:08] which is not great, i'm sortof on watch for that because i've had to take days/mornings off due to migrains [16:10] bummer man. [16:35] http://paulirish.com/2012/chrome-canary-for-developers/ [16:36] krondor: IPv6 is in January, along with a History of Mug presentation [16:37] hmmm, I had it in my head as November possibly based on a comment someone made. Oh well, some of our network guys here had interest in that one. [16:45] Yeah, that should be a good one [16:48] krondor: You can still make it out, though. Hint himt [16:49] hah, yeah I'll give it a shot [16:52] http://www.mug.org/?page=CiviCRM&q=civicrm/event/ical&reset=1&list=1&html=1 [17:04] snap-l: Who's giving the IPv6 talk? [17:04] either pancakes or someone's behind... [17:04] oh wait, wrong conversation thread :P [17:05] brousch: Jim Smalls [17:10] The history of rick_h_'s fetish http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9233085/Past_is_prototype_The_evolution_of_the_computer_keyboard?taxonomyId=235 [17:12] i thought this was everything I needed to know about rick_h's kb: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:KB_Terminal_ADM3A.svg&page=1 [17:13] brousch: that article starts 10yrs too late. [17:13] you gotta go back 10 more years. [17:13] They go to 1890 something [17:13] oh. [17:13] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M is what you need to know [17:13] nm. [17:13] rick_h_: FUCK NO [17:13] model-m is shit. [17:13] excellent for mech, terrible for layout. [17:14] ADM3aA [17:14] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckling_spring [17:14] give me ADM3A layout and nice tactile feedback. [17:14] yes, buckling spring is awesome. [17:14] i see. [17:14] no windows key for my WM shortcuts in your svg [17:15] it was 1969!!! [17:15] important is the placement of the esc and ctrl [17:15] yea, that's the truth [17:15] but location is meh, just move the keys around [17:15] be it hardware reprogramming (kenisis) or in software [17:16] hmm, no tab...I guess I could just space/space/space/space [17:17] hehe "As with any bygone technology, though, there are still enthusiasts who swear by the old IBM buckling springs." [17:18] * rick_h_ gets a soapbox to start the swearing by [17:21] bah, just heard leo and jonathan schwartz refer to 'jsquery' instead of jquery... [17:21] * rick_h_ 's head explodes [17:21] ctrl-i is tab :) [17:21] wtf is jsquery? :) [17:22] "it's rails and javascript, jsquery and backbone..." [17:29] lol. [17:29] i do hear good things about backbone [17:30] ugh [17:32] I hear good things about YUI. All of them come from rick_h_ [17:32] :P [17:32] backbone is ok, but it's a partial solution [17:32] so you end up needing a lot more parts to get things together [17:33] partial for what? [17:33] just binding data to dom elements, right? [17:33] yea, but then you still need things for class building, dependency tracking, other modules, history handling, storage, etc [17:33] wtf is class building? [17:34] well how are you going to standardize your JS classes, usage, etc [17:34] everything else, sure. [17:34] do you use new, do you not use new [17:34] JS has classes? [17:34] js has new? [17:34] of course, it's a fully OOP language, and yes, it has 'optional' new SomeObject() [17:34] all depends on how you construct your classes/functions to work [17:34] some is more memory heavy, others are lighter but more verbose/compliacted [17:35] wheeee JS and the 20 ways to build a class [17:35] i see. [17:35] i don't sweat that shit. [17:36] it adds up when you use backbone and generate 50-100 instances of a model class, plus views for each, plus parent views, plus event constrcution/binding [17:36] have to care if you build anything more significant than a todo list :P [17:36] i've never written software that complex :p [17:37] i don't know why I have to care though. [17:37] because of the momory/browser performance hit on various ways of doing things [17:38] now THAT is a good reason [18:47] Hm, is modern-package-template broken? [18:48] I tried to pip install it into a new virtualenv and it failed [18:48] Huh, and now it works [18:49] freakish [18:51] brousch: IT's a little touchy [18:52] What's the difference between MIT and BSD licenses? [18:55] NVM, I should use what the project I'm building on is using: Apache License 2.0 [18:58] I have to install it twice. first time fails half way through, then the second time works [19:13] <3 http://www.hulu.com/watch/420481 [19:15] ++ [19:24] is that the ipab mini ad? [19:24] pad [19:24] Yes [19:24] btw: OMC is on http://metalinjection.fm [19:24] There's currently 3 listeners, and I want more. :) [19:29] rick_h_: that's hilarious [19:54] I <3 this song [19:54] Odino and Valhalla by Nanowar [19:55] Manowar [19:56] No, Nanowar [19:56] http://www.jamendo.com/en/list/a75948/into-gay-pride-ride [20:12] pro-tip: WHen your wife is exhausted with dealing with her father, the last thing you should suggest is cleaning out the den [20:18] "Oh, while you're up, would you mind washing the car?" [20:24] snap-l: Where'd you get this one? I have some Antipatheia, but not this [20:28] brousch: Well, it was on Jamendo [20:28] not CC on bandcamp :( http://antipathiea.bandcamp.com/ [20:28] http://archive.org/details/jamendo-099834 [20:29] Geekers [20:29] I hate when bands do that. [21:22] btw: There's a meeting this weekend [23:27] party