[00:48] <sgtnasty> no meeting then?
[00:48] <JonathanD> Hi.
[00:48] <JonathanD> Are we supposed to have a meeting?
[00:48] <sgtnasty>  its on my cal
[00:48] <JonathanD> Oh.
[00:48] <JonathanD> I see
[00:49] <rmg51> we have meetings?
[00:49] <JonathanD> Theres at least 3 of us here.
[00:49]  * JonathanD raps his gavel
[00:49] <sgtnasty> quorum?
[00:49] <JonathanD> I move that we all switch to windows 8.
[00:49] <JonathanD> All in favour?
[00:50] <sgtnasty> weeee
[00:50]  * teddy-dbear shoots JonathanD
[00:50] <sgtnasty> i bet they move to window 9 soon
[00:50] <sgtnasty> then Windows X
[00:51] <sgtnasty> so we can all be like apples
[00:52] <teddy-dbear> will Microsoft last that long?
[00:52] <sgtnasty> good point
[00:54] <rmg51> MS needs to put an option to boot right to the desktop
[00:54] <JonathanD> rmg51: the win8 desktop?
[00:55] <rmg51> not a fan of Metro
[00:55] <JonathanD> neither am I
[00:56] <sgtnasty> yeah i want to run my laptop like a phone, who's idea was this?
[00:56] <teddy-dbear> wasn't mine
[00:56] <sgtnasty> im not so sure teddy-bear
[00:57] <sgtnasty> stuffed animals = swipe interface
[00:58] <teddy-dbear> if I don't like Unity, what makes you think I would like Metro?
[00:58] <sgtnasty> i want my gnome-panel back :(
[00:59] <rmg51> go to Mint
[00:59]  * adom still runs 10.04 ;)
[00:59] <rmg51> you have to choice of three
[00:59] <adom> for another few months... :(
[01:00] <rmg51> one of them is the "old" Gnome panel
[01:00] <rmg51> for navigation
[01:17] <TCorwin> Hello. Does anyone know any good topics for a presentation on Ubuntu? I'm looking for things that would answer "What is it?" and "How do I get started?" and "How do i use this?". Any help would be appriciated.
[01:42] <JonathanD> hmmm
[02:00] <teddy-dbear> looks like we are done for the night
[02:00] <teddy-dbear> time for me to go back to my very important teddy bear things
[02:00] <teddy-dbear> nite-nite
[02:13]  * InHisName notes that he is still around
[02:31] <mikedep333> hmm, wow
[02:31] <mikedep333> installing routing updates for Fedora 17 upgraded the kernel from 3.5.x to 3.6.x
[02:32] <Sadin> Im so excited to be helping Xubuntu :)
[02:32] <mikedep333> now I know why they call Fedora "Red Hat Unstable"
[02:32] <mikedep333> Sadin, how so?
[02:32] <Sadin> mikedep333 oh i love fedora :P
[02:32] <mikedep333> spreading the love for classic desktop environments?
[02:33] <Sadin> ummmmm mikedep333 well i helpw ith shimmer the people who make the default xubuntu themes and ive been assigned to build a default Xubuntu conky config
[02:33] <mikedep333> yeah, I actually reformatted my home server with CentOS6 when my HDD with Ubuntu 12.04 failed
[02:33]  * mikedep333 googles conky
[02:34] <mikedep333> cool
[02:34] <Sadin> normally i just touch up the icons lol
[09:24] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:24] <JonathanD> hey stump
[09:27] <JonathanD> /249/249
[09:31] <rmg51> Morning
[09:32] <JonathanD> hi rmg51
[09:32] <JonathanD> how goes?
[09:32] <rmg51> o/
[11:13] <waltman> Morning
[11:35] <JonathanD> hey walt
[11:36] <waltman> hey
[11:48] <JonathanD> had a five guys burger last night. Been a while :P
[12:01] <jedijf> JonathanD: they are pretty good - i don't have them enough either it seems
[12:01] <jedijf> morning
[12:02] <JonathanD> jedijf: Gino's out my way is comparable, and has chicken sandwiches with the same "all the fixins" kind of thing.
[12:02] <jedijf> ginos was a let down for me, not like i remember it
[12:03] <jedijf> i wanted the 1970's giant
[12:03] <jedijf> want
[12:03] <jedijf> need
[12:03] <JonathanD> jedijf: my understanding is old-ginos was more of a mcdonalds clone.
[12:03] <JonathanD> But uh, I wasn't there :P
[12:03] <jedijf> i would even take their at the end hero burger
[12:03] <jedijf> the giant was the mac
[12:04] <JonathanD> the giant now is more a five guys clone.
[12:04] <JonathanD> The chicken is really good, though.
[12:04] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples
[12:04] <jedijf> the hero was a buger on a current bk chicken sandwich roll
[12:04] <jedijf> morning
[12:39]  * waltman had a gino's chickem sammich last night :)
[12:40] <waltman> also chicken
[12:40] <waltman> the original giant was more of a big mac clone, but better
[12:52] <JonathanD> waltman: figures. We almost went there, too. :p
[12:53] <JonathanD> waltman: went to five guys across the street in the mall.
[13:41] <waltman> They make a fine chicken sammich.
[14:22] <Samuraialba> good bacon to all!
[14:48] <InHisName> Samuraialba: been to any EpicMealTime web sites lately especially the ones dealing with bacon ?
[15:02] <Samuraialba> not I
[15:55] <JonathanD> waltman: wonder if there is clear access at the library.
[15:57] <waltman> JonathanD: No idea.
[15:57] <JonathanD> I could bring my home box along.
[15:57] <waltman> It's really annoying to me that it's so locked down, because it limits how much work I can get done when I'm there.
[15:57] <JonathanD> and an AP
[15:57] <JonathanD> and we'd have open internet.
[15:58] <waltman> Don't go to too much trouble.
[15:58] <JonathanD> waltman: I get antsy without irc.
[15:58] <waltman> ah :)
[15:59] <waltman> I can still run Colloquy on my phone :)
[15:59] <JonathanD> waltman: it's only a few hundred feet from a tower
[19:32] <TCorwin> Good afternoon everyone! I was wondering, does anyone have any good topics to talk about at a presentation about Ubuntu? I'm hosting a presentation that is open to the public in western PA. There will be some newbies to Ubuntu as well as people who have never heard of Ubuntu. I'm not exactally sure what to talk with them about.
[19:32] <JonathanD> Hey TCorwin
[19:33] <TCorwin> Hello JonathanD
[19:37] <jedijf> TCorwin: seems that you need to start with what is linux - then ways to try linux - then a brief overview of a linux desktop (your choice)
[19:38] <jedijf> how long do you plan your presentation to be?
[19:39] <TCorwin> jedigf, my presentation is approximately 2 hours and the main topic is "Ubuntu 12.04/12.10: What Is It and How Do You Use It?"
[19:41] <jedijf> unfortunately the amount covered is determined by the unknown variable of the attendees, but those 3 parts i mentioned are a good start - ending with how to get help via mailing lists, forums, and irc
[19:41] <jedijf> much like you did ;)
[19:42] <jedijf> emphasis on part 2 - ways to try linux -
[19:44] <jedijf> and the end - what to do when you think you're alone - but you're really not
[19:46] <TCorwin> I'm assuming that the amount of attendees will be as little as 10 people at the most. I originally tried to get help from the ubuntu-us-pa mailing list, but to no avail. This is my first time using irc, so it took me awhile to get the hang of it. I was also wondering if there are any "free" CD distributions of 12.04 that i could hand out as a starter. i could also possibly send you my presentation after i am finished for a review 
[19:49] <jedijf> TCorwin: i saw your email - was going to respond over the weekend, if possible - when is the presentation?
[19:50] <TCorwin> the presentation is on November 15th.
[19:50] <JonathanD> You have no idea on audience composition though?
[19:51] <JonathanD> Is this an existing group of some sort you'll be presenting to?
[19:51] <jedijf> if you email an adress at jedijf at myfisher dot org i'll send 10 12.10 dvd's
[19:51] <jedijf> you could always burn some 12.04's
[19:52] <jedijf> show how to make a bootable live usb stick so they can try
[19:53] <TCorwin> JonathanD: i do not know the composition. And i will be a standalone presenter. I am just doing a presentation to the open public. Anyone can come, no one specific.
[19:54] <TCorwin> jedijf: thank you. I will email you here soon with an address. The only reason i asked, is because i dont have any cds. And i was going to show them that as well.
[19:54] <jedijf> keep it simple - stay within what *you* know - if you don't know, tell them that
[19:56] <jedijf> the first part - what is linux - go fast - no one really cares - part 2 how they can try - make sure they are getting, or slow down - look for deer in headlight look - virtual - live cd - live dvd - live usb - etc - part 3 depends on your desktop pick - part 4 (HELP) is most vital so they can continue
[19:57] <jedijf> on their own
[20:15] <ChinnoDog> Are DDOS attacks random or are they targeted?
[23:03] <Samuraialba> Good bacon to all!
[23:04] <ChinnoDog> Isn't all bacon good bacon?
[23:05] <Samuraialba> Turkey Bacon
[23:05] <Samuraialba> 'Nuff said
[23:06] <Samuraialba> Server nifty
[23:06] <Samuraialba> Just need 24GB of ram ordered
[23:08] <ChinnoDog> You must be building a supercomputer.
[23:08] <Samuraialba> nah
[23:09] <Samuraialba> Dual Quad Core Xeon L5320's at 1.83Ghz, 160GB drive.. has 4 GB now
[23:11] <Samuraialba> Gonna run VMs on it and PFSense