[05:01] <Kilos> morning all
[05:17] <Trixar_za> Morning Kilos
[05:17] <Trixar_za> http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/17111_368793369875251_973398877_n.jpg
[05:21] <Kilos> hehe
[06:04] <superfly> morning Kilos, Trixar_za
[06:04] <Kilos> hiya superfly 
[06:04] <Trixar_za> Morning superfly
[06:05] <Trixar_za> Look at what I sneaked into the SliTaz repository:
[06:05] <Trixar_za> http://hg.slitaz.org/wok/file/e9c766b0df51/alsa-lib/stuff/asound.conf
[06:18] <Squirm> morning
[06:20] <Trixar_za> Morning Squirm
[06:22]  * Squirm eyes Trixar_za 
[06:27] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[06:27] <Kilos> hi kodez 
[06:28] <kodez> uncle Kilos
[06:28] <kodez> how are you?
[06:32] <superfly> morning kodez, SmilyBorg
[06:32] <SmilyBorg> morning
[06:33] <Kilos> good ty kodez morning SmilyBorg 
[06:38] <kodez> morning uncle superfly
[06:39] <kodez> how are you?
[06:42] <Squirm> lol
[06:42] <Kilos> lol
[06:42] <Kilos> you well kode?
[06:43] <Kilos> ai he ran
[06:44] <Kilos> the fly hacked him off the air
[07:15] <superfly> uncle superfly?!
[07:18] <Trixar_za> Hello oom superfly
[07:18] <Trixar_za> hehehe
[07:19] <Kilos> lol
[07:21] <Superhuman> morning all
[07:21] <Kilos> hi Superhuman 
[07:37] <Superhuman> Nice and cold weather in Pta today...hopefully it is warmer by Sunday
[07:39] <superfly> Trixar_za: eish, I'm not that old... we call oom Kilos "oom" for a reason :-P
[07:39] <superfly> ohi Superhuman, and congrats!
[07:39] <Trixar_za> K, grandpa superfly
[07:39] <Trixar_za> :P
[07:39] <Superhuman> Thanks!
[07:39] <Kilos> rofl
[07:39] <Kilos> dont tell magtie superfly 
[07:40] <Kilos> congrats on what Superhuman 
[07:40] <Superhuman> Trixar_za: if you call him a grandpa, then half the people here are ancient
[07:41] <Superhuman> Kilos: wife is expecting, and it's a girl. (found out about the girl part yesterday)
[07:42] <Kilos> wow lovely that really deserves congrats
[07:42]  * superfly has 2 boys, and even the wife has agreed that is enough for now
[07:42] <Trixar_za> Isn't there like an 29 year old grandfather in Britain?
[07:43] <Trixar_za> I'm nearly 28, so I'm closing in on that
[07:43] <Kilos> see inetpro thats what a community channel is all about
[07:43] <Trixar_za> lol
[07:43] <Kilos> sharing
[07:43] <Kilos> you old hey Trixar_za 
[07:43] <Kilos> close to ian
[07:43] <Trixar_za> Congrats Superhuman
[07:44] <Trixar_za> I'm young in my heart
[07:44] <Kilos> lol
[07:45] <Trixar_za> I remember helping out in an computer class with 7 years in it
[07:45] <Trixar_za> It wasn't lost on me that, at 23, I was more than 3 times their age
[07:45] <magespawn> morning all
[07:46] <Kilos> hiya magespawn welcome to ubuntu-za community channel
[07:46] <magespawn> that makes me feel a over the top
[07:46]  * Kilos just digging at the pro
[07:46] <magespawn> Kilos is that a standard greeting?
[07:47] <Kilos> lol
[07:47] <Kilos> no man the pro messed on me for asking about winsucks stuff here
[07:48] <Kilos> as in This is not a windows support channel
[07:48] <Kilos> sorry Windows
[07:49] <Trixar_za> TazBot: Windows 8
[07:49]  * TazBot slaps Trixar_za
[07:49] <TazBot> Use a real operating system like SliTaz instead of that bloat X(
[07:49] <Kilos> hmm
[07:49] <Trixar_za> Just though I'd share that
[07:49] <Trixar_za> :p
[07:49] <Kilos> lol
[07:49] <Trixar_za> thought*
[07:51] <Kilos> hi jrgns 
[07:51] <Kilos> your bot clever Trixar_za 
[07:51] <Kilos> got some class
[07:52] <Kilos> i fancy the slap part
[07:52] <Kilos> will teach maaz that
[07:52] <Trixar_za> https://github.com/Trixarian/TazBot
[07:52] <Trixar_za> It's pretty limited considering
[07:52] <Kilos> not a pybot
[07:53] <Kilos> cant you use ibid on your slit/something os
[07:54] <Trixar_za> SliTaz and no. I could probably use nimrod, but I'm kind of lazy
[07:54] <Trixar_za> :P
[07:55] <Trixar_za> In case you don't know what nimrod is: http://nimrod-code.org/
[07:58] <Kilos> oh well maybe one day well get you too ubuntu and debian and python
[07:59] <Kilos> work well for lazy peeps
[08:00] <Kilos> inetpro, good morning sleepy head
[08:00] <Trixar_za> I probably never will got back to Ubuntu :P
[08:00] <Kilos> aw
[08:00] <Trixar_za> Too invested in SliTaz by now anyway - dev access and everything
[08:01] <Kilos> oh well we still accept you here
[08:01] <inetpro> Kilos: do we?
[08:01] <Kilos> just dont come say you doing dev stuff for winsucks
[08:02] <Kilos> ya WE have to because he has helped me
[08:02] <Kilos> dont forget your banweed inetpro 
[08:02] <Squirm> i feel tainted
[08:02] <Kilos> and benatter
[08:03]  * Kilos lol @ Squirm 
[08:03] <Squirm> been trying to install Windows Server 2012 on HyperV server
[08:03]  * Squirm shivers at the thought
[08:03] <Kilos> eina
[08:04] <Trixar_za> BLOOD TRAITOR
[08:04] <Kilos> other pc here dual boots xp and unity. xp rather sick so thought id reinstall. it cant see any hard drives
[08:04] <Trixar_za> :P
[08:04] <Trixar_za> But yeah. Good luck with that and it's new MetroUI
[08:04] <Squirm> I know, I went to an IT Camp, they showcased Server 2012
[08:05] <inetpro> lol
[08:05] <Trixar_za> Speaking of which
[08:05] <Squirm> we're running 2003, so in any case, time for an upgrade
[08:05] <inetpro> BTW, good morning everyone
[08:06] <Kilos> Trixar_za, forgive Squirm he is still young
[08:06] <Squirm> hello inetpro :)
[08:06] <Trixar_za> You know this whole interface thing? I saw an 11 year old kid do something similar 11 years ago and wrote it in Delphi.
[08:06] <inetpro> rather cool in Pretoria today
[08:06] <Trixar_za> You decide if that's a good thing or not
[08:06] <Squirm> Kilos: If I had my way, I'd be running RH/CentOS
[08:06] <Trixar_za> That an 11 year old had the same idea...
[08:06] <Kilos> hiya inetpro ty for coming in. i bed you read my comments but refrained from making comments
[08:06] <Squirm> Trixar_za: http://mybroadband.co.za/news/quick-news/63678-microsoft-sued-over-windows-8-interface.html
[08:06] <Trixar_za> (He's probably 22 by now)
[08:06] <Squirm> oh damn
[08:06] <Squirm> super De Ja Vu
[08:07]  * Squirm leaves for a bit
[08:07] <inetpro> Kilos: it's working time now :-)
[08:07] <Kilos> sigh
[08:07] <Kilos> that starts at 4pm for you
[08:07] <inetpro> hmm... I must be getting old
[08:07] <Kilos> i may be stupid but im not a fool
[08:08] <Kilos> i love this channel
[08:09] <Kilos> getting?
[08:09] <Squirm> maybe I should become an MS evangelist
[08:09] <Kilos> eish
[08:09] <inetpro> Squirm: eish!
[08:09] <Trixar_za> Squirm: I'll disown you
[08:09] <Squirm> and then go around preaching how awesomly bad windows is
[08:10] <Kilos> hehe
[08:10] <Squirm> and how it crashes the whole time
[08:10] <Squirm> show linux distro's at meets
[08:10] <Squirm> I might be lynched
[08:10] <Squirm> on stage
[08:10] <Kilos> billy will sue you
[08:10] <Kilos> he needs money
[08:11] <Trixar_za> Mind you
[08:11] <Trixar_za> I think Software Patents are worse than Microsoft
[08:11] <Trixar_za> Interesting fact: There is somebody in South Africa that owns the South African patent for the Taskbar
[08:12] <Squirm> hmmm, I have a feeling that it's a bad idea(it is already though) to install Server 2012 before SP1 is released
[08:12] <Trixar_za> It's nice to see our Patent office doing a prior art check
[08:12] <Squirm> Trixar_za: you know, HyperV server is the first piece I've seen from MS that's FREE
[08:12] <Squirm> albeit, not opensource
[08:12] <Squirm> but free
[08:13] <Kilos> wait till it stabilised to 2 crashes a day Squirm 
[08:13] <Squirm> s\piece\OS
[08:13] <Trixar_za> Well, I've seen others. All Free Not Open Source though
[08:13] <Trixar_za> FNOS
[08:13] <Trixar_za> Hehehe
[08:13] <Trixar_za> I just made up another word
[08:13] <Squirm> Kilos: then I'll convince my boss to run Xen on CentOS and run 2012 on top of that
[08:13] <Squirm> Trixar_za: Acronym
[08:14] <Squirm> not word
[08:14] <Trixar_za> NAN
[08:14] <Trixar_za> The irony of that
[08:14] <Squirm> Not Anaother Name?
[08:14] <Trixar_za> Not An Acronym
[08:14] <Squirm> NAA
[08:14] <Kilos> nuvolari, and them use centos
[08:15] <Trixar_za> oops
[08:15] <Trixar_za> NAA
[08:15] <Squirm> Kilos: RedHat = CentOS
[08:15] <Squirm> and I, technically, am a RHCSA
[08:15] <Squirm> :P
[08:15] <Squirm> I mean, CentOS = RedHat
[08:15] <Kilos> oh ya i member you passed
[08:15] <magespawn> Trixar_za: SliTaz is really small
[08:15] <Squirm> magespawn: it does that to everyone at first
[08:15] <magespawn> onlu going to take like 15 min to get it
[08:16] <Trixar_za> magespawn: One of the reasons why I chose it
[08:16] <Squirm> please don't take my comment in a dirty way, not intended
[08:16] <magespawn> sorry Squirm?
[08:16] <Squirm> don't worry
[08:17] <magespawn> okay cool np
[08:17] <Squirm> I'm just talkative
[08:17] <Squirm> Trixar_za: did you read that mybb post I pasted
[08:17] <Trixar_za> mybb?
[08:17] <Squirm> mybroadband
[08:17] <magespawn> that is seriously ironic
[08:17] <Squirm> [10:06:46] .:Squirm:. Trixar_za: http://mybroadband.co.za/news/quick-news/63678-microsoft-sued-over-windows-8-interface.html
[08:17] <Trixar_za> Nah, kind of crashed Firefox - I have too many tabs open
[08:17] <Trixar_za> lol
[08:18] <magespawn> would be even funnier if it happened to apple
[08:18] <Squirm> the word 'Tiles' and it's description, have already been patented
[08:18] <Squirm> and the description fits Windows 8's tiles
[08:19] <Trixar_za> Also you have prior art of it too
[08:19] <Trixar_za> Just another money grubbing bastard
[08:19] <Trixar_za> This is why I hate software patents
[08:20] <Trixar_za> You shouldn't be able to patent ideas or concepts. Only methodology... i.e. HOW you make something and the steps involved
[08:24] <Squirm> and I lol'd when I saw the new iPad Mini is using Samsung's display tech
[08:25] <magespawn> I thought I read somewhere that Samsung makes Apple screens
[08:28] <charlvn> good morning
[08:28] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[08:28]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[08:28] <Kilos> hi charlvn 
[08:28] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:28] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[08:28] <charlvn> wb Symmetria 
[08:29] <charlvn> hi Kilos 
[08:29] <charlvn> i have been playing with this the other day: http://www.android-x86.org/
[08:29] <Squirm> magespawn: they do, was also on mybb
[08:30] <Squirm> hell Symmetria 
[08:30] <Squirm> s/hell/hello
[08:30] <charlvn> i just ran it inside a virtual machine, got it to boot no problem, just getting it to connect to the virtual network device was a problem
[08:30] <charlvn> seems like android only wants to connect to wifi :)
[08:30] <magespawn> maybe there is nothing there to support the hardware charlvn
[08:31] <charlvn> magespawn: well it's running inside a virtual machine so it should be able to use the standard ethernet-like virtual network interface
[08:31] <charlvn> magespawn: but because it's android, it's not looking for a standard ethernet interface ;)
[08:31] <charlvn> magespawn: it's only looking for wifi/umts/etc
[08:32] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn and Kilos!
[08:33] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[08:33] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[08:33] <Kilos> yo tonberry352_ wb
[08:33] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[08:33] <Maaz> charlvn: No problem
[08:37] <charlvn> in the meantime, i'm playing with solaris 11 - good to see it finally has a package manager built in :)
[08:37] <charlvn> i'm running it inside vmware but can't install the drivers - http://slexy.org/view/s20EvNZw8S
[08:41] <charlvn> it looks pretty decent though compared to previous versions. the standard desktop is based on gnome now: http://i.imgur.com/XdvYR.png http://i.imgur.com/BACiw.png http://i.imgur.com/Uew7z.png
[09:15] <magespawn> charlvn: that is very gnome-ish
[09:36] <Kilos> wbb. pinching modem
[09:42] <charlvn> magespawn: yeah looks almost like a standard linux distro now
[09:43] <magespawn> is solaris FOSS?
[09:43] <inetpro> uh?
[09:44] <magespawn> Free Open Source Software
[09:44]  * inetpro will be very honest
[09:44] <magespawn> honesty is best
[09:45] <inetpro> I don't like Oracle and the way they have been handling there so called OSS software 
[09:45]  * smileE17 is trying OpenBSD
[09:45] <smileE17> :)
[09:45] <inetpro> they way they do it is in no way transparent 
[09:47] <inetpro> so I am sorry for any Oracle guys here, but /me is moving away from anything Oracle as far as possible
[09:47] <smileE17> Cool OpenBSD is working :P
[09:47] <inetpro> unfortunately easier said than done
[09:47] <inetpro> they have their fingers in many many pies
[09:48] <inetpro> simply because they have deep pockets
[09:51] <inetpro> Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely
[09:51] <inetpro> and that is my primary concern with them
[10:06] <smileE17> brb :p
[10:43] <charlvn> magespawn: solaris is a proprietary product by oracle; sun microsystems created what was supposed to be an open source spin-off called opensolaris but subsequent to the sun buy-out, oracle discontinued the project
[10:45] <charlvn> inetpro: imho oracle has displayed enough hostility to the open source community and their "aggressive" business practises are unlikely to ease up, so i tred carefully as well
[10:47] <charlvn> inetpro: strangely enough, oracle did have a stand at oscon 2010 and i even spoke to some of their people (they walked around to meet the people behind all the other stands)
[10:48] <jrgns> hi Kilos
[11:22] <charlvn> good thinking, i need lunch too
[12:31] <charlvn> oh my goodness, just found this on reddit: http://i.imgur.com/71Din.jpg
[12:32] <Cantide> hahahahha
[12:32] <Cantide> quality education <3
[12:33] <charlvn> http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/12idze/south_african_census_2011_2176/
[12:35] <Cantide> '-'
[12:37] <Cantide> glad to know my UNISA degree will be worth so much
[12:37] <Cantide> =_=v
[12:40] <Cantide> 2 weeks until Cantide meets Gangnam Style  :) :) :) :)
[12:49] <charlvn> Cantide: how so? you meeting psy?
[12:51] <inetpro> charlvn: Oracle has a lot of good people working for them, it's a massive ship
[12:52] <inetpro> unfortunately I don't think they are all steering in the same direction
[12:52] <inetpro> like many big corporates
[12:53] <inetpro> at some point these corporates become unmanageable
[12:53] <inetpro> but that is just my humble opinion
[12:56] <Cantide> charlvn, I just meant until i go to Korea '-'
[12:57] <Cantide> I meant it metaphorically >.<
[13:10] <Kilos> whew you guys dont attract new customers do you
[13:10] <Kilos> bad advertising
[13:17] <charlvn> Cantide: ah i see :) but that sounds like fun though, keep in touch!
[13:18] <charlvn> inetpro: yeah but i think (as you also hinted) that is not a uniquely oracle problem, that is a problem with all big companies, including companies like google
[13:19] <charlvn> inetpro: but oracle is well-known for having an "aggressive" business attitude, more so than most other big ict corporates
[13:19] <charlvn> Kilos: how so? :)
[13:19] <inetpro> charlvn: true
[13:19] <Kilos> only 31 nicks showing
[13:19] <charlvn> Kilos: lol
[13:19] <charlvn> Kilos: how many are there normally? i don't ever see the list because i (mostly) use irssi
[13:19] <Kilos> and 8 are grayed out
[13:20] <charlvn> greyed out... not sure what that would mean
[13:20] <inetpro> charlvn: irssi doesn't show the nicks?
[13:20] <Kilos> i think best we ever had was 45
[13:20] <Kilos> that was inna flame war situation
[13:20] <charlvn> inetpro: not normally, it might be an option, never looked into it actually
[13:20] <Kilos> and meeting nights
[13:21] <charlvn> inetpro: here's a screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/3tQCY.png
[13:21] <charlvn> Kilos: a flame war situation? that attracts people? lol
[13:22] <Cantide> why does that look like Windows 7? 'o'
[13:22] <Kilos> Cantide, howd the exam go?
[13:22] <Cantide> Kilos, not bad!! I had two hours but only used one :)
[13:22] <charlvn> Cantide: it looks like windows because it's putty running on win7 :P
[13:22] <Kilos> lol you must check how everyone pops in to see who wins
[13:22] <Cantide> :-S
[13:22] <Cantide> turncoat~
[13:22] <Kilos> yo hibana long time no see
[13:22] <hibana> 15:22:35 -!- Irssi: #ubuntu-za: Total of 32 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 31 normal]
[13:23] <hibana> charlvn: just before that line it lists the nicks when you enter the channel
[13:23] <charlvn> hibana: yes, when you enter the channel :P
[13:24] <Kilos> xchat better so there
[13:24] <Kilos> i see you all and some with ip's too
[13:24] <Kilos> and hosts
[13:25] <Kilos> irssi is for peeps without tastebuds
[13:25] <Cantide> i also like xchat :)
[13:25] <Cantide> it felt quite simple when i switched from mirc, but now i really like it
[13:25] <charlvn> Kilos: platform wars i see... :P
[13:25] <Kilos> xchat really rocks
[13:25] <Kilos> better than quassel too
[13:25]  * Kilos ducks
[13:25] <inetpro> charlvn: /n
[13:26] <charlvn> inetpro: ??
[13:26] <inetpro> or /names
[13:26] <charlvn> oh to see the nicks - nice
[13:26] <inetpro> Lists the users in the current channel
[13:26] <charlvn> yup, i got it here, cool
[13:26] <Kilos> inetpro, jou gif
[13:27] <charlvn> ok, got work to do, ttyl :)
[13:27] <Kilos> good man
[13:28] <Kilos> so Cantide good news if it went that well i hope
[13:29] <Cantide> yeah
[13:29] <Cantide> yesterday's was tough though
[13:29] <Cantide> but i think i passed them both - certainly today's!
[13:29] <Kilos> hmm
[13:31]  * hibana waves to the crouds o/
[13:31] <hibana> bye
[13:31] <Kilos> aw
[13:31] <Kilos> toods hibanananana
[14:15] <inetpro> Kilos: sflr is still alive at least
[14:16] <inetpro> he just tweeted earlier: #1time airlines became #onceuponatime
[14:16] <Kilos> yay
[14:16] <Kilos> hi tante magtie 
[14:16] <Cantide> lol
[14:16] <Kilos> tweet him he is in trouble here inetpro 
[14:20] <inetpro> Kilos: you go tweet him
[14:20] <Kilos> i dont follow him man
[14:20] <Kilos> grrr
[14:20] <Kilos> will mail him again
[14:21] <Kilos> but he is a loss weekends anyway
[14:21] <Kilos> hoi koiosify 
[14:21] <koiosify> hallo \o
[14:21] <bakuman> \o/
[14:21] <Kilos> wb Kerbero 
[14:22] <koiosify> bouncer issues on our side
[14:22] <koiosify> :)
[14:22] <bakuman> :D
[14:22] <koiosify> but bakuman fixed it
[14:22] <Kilos> yo bakuman where you guys been that you all come in together like this
[14:22] <Kilos> ah
[14:23] <bakuman> changed our connection to kornbluth.freenode.net
[14:47] <Kilos> ah you all in different places together
[15:25] <mazal> sorry for the in-out guys , setting up my settings on the new install
[15:25] <Kilos> np
[15:25] <bakuman> I forgive you mazal 
[15:25] <bakuman> :(
[15:25] <Kilos> lol
[15:26] <bakuman> now he will never know
[15:26] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:26] <superfly> i see someone is using Afrihost
[15:27] <Kilos> where you see that
[15:27] <Kilos> your quassel very clever
[15:27] <superfly> Kilos: his hostname
[15:27] <superfly> At least I'm guessing so
[15:27] <Kilos> mtnbusiness?
[15:28] <superfly> Ya, new network set up for Afrihost (and Axxess)
[15:28] <Kilos> ah
[15:35] <mazal> Sjoe , ok I think I am finished
[15:35] <mazal> No gotta backup everything :P
[15:36] <superfly> mazal: did you get my message?
[15:36] <mazal> Uhm , is that the message maaz left ?
[15:36] <superfly> Yes
[15:36] <mazal> I did yes , but idiot me didn't write down the name
[15:36] <superfly> Kilos: I'm on the same network at home...
[15:37] <superfly> Maaz: dns home.snyman.info
[15:37] <Maaz> superfly: Records: 105.236.70.19
[15:37] <mazal> Would you mind giving that name again please superfly 
[15:38] <superfly> Maaz: I'm on my phone, I can't remember what the message was about
[15:38] <Maaz> superfly: One learns a new thing every day
[15:38] <superfly> ag
[15:38] <superfly> mazal: see above
[15:39] <mazal> The app for pics edit
[15:39] <superfly> oh right. There's showfoto, though that's a KDE app
[15:40] <superfly> I think shotwell might have some basic editing capabilities
[15:40] <superfly> What's the default on Ubuntu these days?
[15:41] <mazal> Can't recall the name now , but it can only view
[15:41] <mazal> Can't cut , copy , paste , crop etc.
[15:41] <superfly> I think there's a newish basic editing app for Gnome
[15:41]  * superfly needs to go
[15:42] <mazal> Yoh I got a big surprise now. None of my backups working , failing on target. Then I saw that now all media is mounted under an extra folder (username) lol
[15:42] <mazal> Have to edit all backups now :P
[15:48] <Kilos> lol
[15:48] <Kilos> shotwell
[15:48] <Kilos> then gimp works good too
[15:49] <mazal> Ok l8tr all , lemme iso this thing
[16:00] <Kilos> naand tante magtie 
[16:02] <magtie> Hi Kilos & Everyone
[16:02] <Kilos> did you have a good day?
[16:03] <magtie> Fridays always good - especially after 04
[16:03] <Kilos> hehe
[16:04] <Kilos> whew mazal complaining superfly and his pc faster than mine
[16:05] <Kilos> you will see the mail when you get home 
[16:10] <magespawn> speaking of which I am off home, later all
[16:10] <Kilos> later magespawn 
[16:12] <Kilos> wbb now now
[17:24] <KilosK> evening peeps
[17:25] <KilosK> when is the conference over tumbleweed ?
[17:26] <KilosK> inetpro, ping
[17:27] <KilosK> hi smileE17 
[17:28] <smileE17> hi KilosK :p
[17:28] <smileE17> :)
[17:28] <smileE17> o.O
[17:37] <superfly> KilosK: UDS - Ubuntu Developer Summit
[17:37] <KilosK> ya that thing
[17:37] <KilosK> does it go on next week too
[17:38] <KilosK> superfly, what can be mazals prob. everyone says 12.10 is faster than 12.04 but he says inna mail its slower
[17:39] <superfly> KilosK: I don't know, I haven't read his mail
[17:39] <KilosK> lol called 12.10 gripes i think
[17:39] <KilosK> i am on kde and mail on unity
[17:39] <KilosK> wb SmilyBorg_h 
[17:40] <KilosK> Kerbero, you a kde boy hey?
[17:42] <KilosK> i got that small window that you can drag and drop to missing here and dunno what its called to try recover it
[17:42] <KilosK> like a mini desktop thingie
[17:42] <SmilyBorg> hey there
[17:43] <CanAFK> 12.10 feels worse to me, too
[17:44] <CanAFK> thinking of going back to 12.04
[17:44] <KilosK> oh my
[17:44] <CanAFK> but my hardware is also failing, so i can't really judge accurately
[17:44] <KilosK> eish whats failing
[17:45] <CanAFK> i'm not sure, but either my PSU or MB
[17:46] <CanAFK> something is just not right with my PC lately :p
[17:46] <KilosK> have you tried blowing it clean
[17:46] <CanAFK> random freezes, USB devices failing
[17:46] <CanAFK> mouse even fails sometimes lol
[17:46] <KilosK> most likely dust in everywhere
[17:46] <CanAFK> have to unplug it and plug it back in
[17:46] <CanAFK> i did clean it recently
[17:46] <CanAFK> i'll change my PSU over the weekend and see if that helps
[17:46] <CanAFK> if not, then i'll roll back to 12.04 maybe
[17:47] <KilosK> did you open and clean it out as well?
[17:47] <KilosK> you in durbs as well so there is lotsa moisture in the air
[17:48] <CanAFK> yeah
[17:48] <CanAFK> i took everything off the board and put it back in
[17:48] <CanAFK> so the connections should be good
[17:48] <CanAFK> i have a feeling it's the PSU because 2 graphics cards died in this PC in the last 6 months
[17:49] <KilosK> no they get clammy when moisture and dust combine
[17:49] <CanAFK> aah
[17:49] <CanAFK> well, the components have been dusted '-'
[17:49] <KilosK> where in durbs are you?
[17:49] <KilosK> dusted how?
[17:49] <CanAFK> Queensburgh - a little inland
[17:49] <CanAFK> paintbrush
[17:49]  * CanAFK sits down for the interrogation
[17:49] <KilosK> no man you must use compressed air
[17:50] <KilosK> lol
[17:50] <KilosK> there is a shop called A1 radio
[17:50] <CanAFK> haha
[17:50] <CanAFK> yes
[17:50] <CanAFK> in Umbilo Road
[17:50] <KilosK> get either um
[17:50] <KilosK> sec i forgot the name
[17:51] <SmilyBorg> A1 Radio is in Umgeni Road
[17:51] <KilosK> its a lubricating switch cleaner
[17:51] <CanAFK> eh
[17:51] <CanAFK> I meant Umgeni but typed Umbilo lol
[17:51] <CanAFK> i was in Umbilo today, maybe that's why -.-v
[17:51] <KilosK> lol
[17:52] <CanAFK> s/in/near
[17:53] <KilosK> anyway with a brush you cant get dust outa slots for ram and other interface cards
[17:53] <KilosK> must use air
[17:53] <KilosK> servisol is the expensive make of switch cleaner
[17:53] <KilosK> spanjaard make a good one too
[17:54] <KilosK> are you litening?
[17:54] <KilosK> listening
[17:55] <KilosK> CanAFK, yoooohoooo
[17:56] <KilosK> i talk to the trees, but they dont listen either
[17:57] <CanAFK> hahaha
[17:57] <CanAFK> sorry :p
[17:57] <CanAFK> I was distracted
[17:57] <KilosK> hehe
[17:57] <CanAFK> it's okay, this PC has served me well
[17:57] <CanAFK> i'm going to look at some new parts while i'm in Korea '-'
[17:57] <KilosK> what specs pc?
[17:58] <CanAFK> well, i'm going to start by getting an SSD and some gfx cards
[17:58] <CanAFK> assuming my PSU replacement goes well
[17:58] <KilosK> durban is the home of rust and corrosion
[17:58] <CanAFK> currently i have an old E5300 with 2 GB DDR 2
[17:59] <CanAFK> desperately needs replacing, but i only want to invest in small parts that i can take with me next year
[17:59] <KilosK> switch cleaner cleans and rejuvenates bad connections
[17:59] <CanAFK> once i'm over there, i will build a new one from scratch
[17:59] <KilosK> cpu speed?
[17:59] <KilosK> single or dual core
[18:00] <CanAFK> dual core
[18:00] <KilosK> thats fast man
[18:00] <CanAFK> 2.6 Ghz
[18:00] <CanAFK> not really
[18:00] <CanAFK> i want a quad
[18:00] <KilosK> i betcha its got dirt in somewhere
[18:01] <CanAFK> but i will wait until i build my next PC
[18:01] <CanAFK> i think an SSD will breathe a little life into this one, especially since i need a new HDD anyway
[18:01] <CanAFK> probably
[18:01] <KilosK> we all want quads but you got probs now
[18:01] <CanAFK> i'll strip it down again when i change the PSU
[18:01] <KilosK> lol
[18:01] <CanAFK> and give it a good cleaning
[18:01] <CanAFK> if it's still faulty, then it needs the boot :p
[18:01] <KilosK> eish ek sukkel
[18:02] <CanAFK> hoekom?
[18:02] <KilosK> post it here no boot to scrap heap
[18:02] <CanAFK> hahaha
[18:02] <CanAFK> i was thinking of setting it up for my dad
[18:02] <CanAFK> his PC is also dead
[18:03] <KilosK> often just pulling ram out and replacing helps for these odd hangs
[18:03] <KilosK> if so you got dirty connections
[18:03] <KilosK> eish
[18:03] <CanAFK> i tried that yesterday :D
[18:03] <CanAFK> didn't help ._.
[18:03] <KilosK> and did you look carefully at the connectors on the ram
[18:04] <KilosK> wipe with fingers
[18:04] <KilosK> bet they were dirty
[18:04] <KilosK> then everything else is dirty too
[18:04] <CanAFK> not really..
[18:04] <CanAFK> because i cleaned it out not so long ago
[18:05] <KilosK> not really means they werent very clean either
[18:05] <KilosK> hehe
[18:05] <KilosK> get some switch cleaner
[18:05] <KilosK> 20 or 30 bucks a spray can full
[18:06] <KilosK> wish i was back in durbs
[18:06] <KilosK> would come visit with a big stick
[18:06] <CanAFK> :)
[18:06] <CanAFK> hahahaha
[18:06] <CanAFK> I'm glad you're not back in Durbs
[18:06] <CanAFK> '-'
[18:06] <KilosK> lol
[18:07] <KilosK> funny things happening here
[18:07] <KilosK> modem light went red
[18:07] <KilosK> Maaz, hi
[18:07] <Maaz> Hello KilosK
[18:08] <CanAFK> KilosK, switch cleaner, try it!
[18:08]  * CanAFK hides
[18:09] <KilosK> lol
[18:09] <KilosK> thats wonderful stuff
[18:09] <KilosK> when radio volume control scratches one spray fixes it
[18:10] <KilosK> i still have friends in durbs that belong to the mafia
[18:10] <CanAFK> hahaha
[18:10] <KilosK> hehe
[18:10] <CanAFK> good thing i'll be out in 2 weeks :)
[18:10] <KilosK> aw you leaving so soon
[18:10] <CanAFK> if they find me before then, i'll throw malfunctioning computer parts at them
[18:10] <KilosK> lol
[18:11] <KilosK> ask the fly how the dust flew outa his pc
[18:11] <KilosK> even inside ps
[18:12] <inetpro> KilosK: pong
[18:12] <KilosK> it causes heat to stay in and electronics dont like heat
[18:12] <KilosK> ah inetpro did you read?
[18:12] <KilosK> my kde little destop window is gone
[18:12] <inetpro> not yet, what's up doc?
[18:13] <KilosK> so cant drag drop anything to desktop
[18:13] <inetpro> KilosK: does it bother you a lot?
[18:13] <KilosK> ya
[18:13]  * inetpro never puts stuff in the desktop
[18:13] <KilosK> i wanna drag drop 3g of packages to it 
[18:13] <inetpro> ok, not never
[18:14] <inetpro> necer is a very long time
[18:14] <inetpro> never*
[18:14] <KilosK> from another drive
[18:14] <inetpro> you just do it in dolphin man
[18:14] <KilosK> what is it called that little window?
[18:15] <inetpro> you can even press F3 and view two different folders at the same time
[18:15] <KilosK> no man thats hard to find the path to other drive and partition
[18:15] <inetpro> ai
[18:15] <KilosK> the part on other drive is /storage but here its seen as 38 GB filesystem
[18:16] <KilosK> Filesystem
[18:16] <inetpro> KilosK: ek dink jy het maar net 'n ander activity gekies
[18:16] <KilosK> i want my mini desktop back
[18:16] <KilosK> ai
[18:16] <KilosK> ek sukkel regtig met my volk
[18:17] <inetpro> KilosK: kliek op die icon met die drie kleure, rooi, blou en groen
[18:17] <KilosK> did you get banweed?
[18:17] <inetpro> onder links 
[18:17] <KilosK> ok
[18:17] <inetpro> net regs van die KMenu
[18:18] <KilosK> desktop icons en twee ander
[18:18] <KilosK> 3 ander
[18:18] <inetpro> kies daar verskillende items tot jy terug is waar jy was
[18:18] <inetpro> as simple as that
[18:18] <inetpro> tensy
[18:19] <KilosK> its not there
[18:19] <inetpro> tensy jy die folder view widget verwyder het
[18:19] <inetpro> maklik om weer terug te sit
[18:20] <inetpro> regskliek op die desktop skerm
[18:20] <inetpro> en kliek Add Widget
[18:20] <inetpro> en gaan soek "Folder View"
[18:21] <inetpro> dan drag jy dit waar jy dit wil sien
[18:21] <inetpro> "drag"
[18:21] <KilosK> ok
[18:22] <inetpro> as simple as that
[18:22] <KilosK> thats not the same thing but will try drag drop to it
[18:22] <KilosK> ty sir
[18:23] <KilosK> drag=sleep
[18:23] <inetpro> ahh, dis waar
[18:27] <KilosK> dankie inetpro 
[18:27] <inetpro> dankie vir?
[18:28] <KilosK> dat ek plek het om goed na toe te sleep
[18:28] <inetpro> ai :-)
[18:28] <KilosK> lol
[18:28] <KilosK> did you get banweed?
[18:28] <inetpro> KilosK: het jy al die ander widgets gesien?
[18:28] <KilosK> ??
[18:29] <KilosK> ja maar nog nie ander goed nodig nie
[18:29] <inetpro> KilosK: yep, het weggesluip by die werk en gaan kyk by Obaro, maar nie gekoop nie, toe later vanaand by Pick n Pay gekry
[18:30] <inetpro> sommer 'n mooi klein Gardena 5L pompie ook gekry vir R99
[18:30] <KilosK> ah en?
[18:30] <KilosK> sharp
[18:30] <inetpro> Obaro was duurder
[18:31] <inetpro> 'n 8L pompie was R400+
[18:31] <KilosK> nou as jy die mix maak. gebruik a bietjie meer as wat hulle se
[18:31] <KilosK> sjoe
[18:31] <inetpro> maar nou moet ek eintlik eers die gras 'n boost gee voor ek spuit, of nie?
[18:31] <inetpro> 3-2-3
[18:31] <KilosK> nee
[18:31] <inetpro> of 2-3-2
[18:32] <inetpro> hoekom nie?
[18:32] <KilosK> probeer om te spuit meer op dubbeltjies as gras
[18:32] <inetpro> hmm... die goed is ingeweef in die gras
[18:32] <KilosK> die gras sal geel word na week of twee maar sal nie dooi nie
[18:32] <KilosK> ok
[18:33] <KilosK> maar voor die dubbeltjies dooi kom die gras wee terug
[18:33] <KilosK> gooi dan net kan of die gras en spuit nat
[18:33] <KilosK> nie 323 nie
[18:33] <KilosK> 232
[18:34] <KilosK> die potas goed moet eintlik in gegrou wees
[18:34] <KilosK> kan gooi jy bo
[18:34] <KilosK> K.A.N
[18:35] <KilosK> kalksteen ammonium nitraat
[18:35] <KilosK> of ureum maar dis kwaai sterk
[18:36] <inetpro> 2-3-2 = 2 x Nitrogen, 3 x Phosphorus, 2 x Potassium
[18:39] <KilosK> ja but potassium doesnt water in like LAN
[18:39] <inetpro> ok
[18:39] <KilosK> supposed to be dug in at planting
[18:39] <inetpro> maak sin
[18:40] <KilosK> and after LAN you gonna mow often
[18:41] <KilosK> but first kill the dubbeltjies
[18:41] <smileE17> http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.waarmaarraar.nl%2Fpages%2Fre%2F75904%2FSinterklaascrisis%3A_adopteer_een_zwarte_piet.html
[18:41] <smileE17> :p
[18:41] <inetpro> ok
[18:41] <KilosK> ok im ready for bed now
[18:42] <KilosK> sleep tight all
[18:42] <KilosK> see you tomorrow
[18:43] <inetpro> bye KilosK
[18:45] <smileE17> he's gone :(
[19:02] <inetpro> ai
[19:02] <inetpro> probably not feeling so well this evening
[19:03] <inetpro> wb magtie
[19:03] <inetpro> oh and Ludo
[19:03] <magtie> Hi
[19:08] <inetpro> magtie: have you sorted you db problem yet?
[19:08] <magtie> No I'm not that worried about it now
[19:08] <inetpro> ok
[19:09] <inetpro> what's the latest challenge?
[19:09] <magtie> using MS Access at work mostly
[19:09] <inetpro> eish
[19:09] <magtie> no problems tonight
[19:09] <smileE17> inetpro: well yeah, possible. how are you feeling? :)
[19:10] <inetpro> smileE17: I'm good thanks
[19:10] <smileE17> :D
[19:10] <smileE17> great. :)
[19:10] <inetpro> smileE17: and you?
[19:12] <smileE17> Well my ear is doing weird :P
[19:12] <smileE17> but I hear everything :p it just feels weird :)
[19:13] <smileE17> I made a lot of edits today
[19:13]  * smileE17 checks
[19:13] <smileE17> about hundred edits today :p
[19:35] <smileE17> bye! :p
[20:01] <inetpro> superfly: Linus Torvalds Switches Back To KDE
[20:01] <inetpro> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LinusTorvalds/posts/DbmEE8kXLDA
[20:02] <superfly> Surprised I am not.
[20:03] <inetpro> superfly: the man has one massive following
[20:03] <inetpro> quite amazing
[20:04] <inetpro> I bet you will suddenly see and read much more about KDE than before just because of this
[20:04] <superfly> inetpro: He used to use KDE, and then when 4.0 came out and no one listened to the KDE devs and used it when they said not to, and then he moved to Gnome
[20:05] <inetpro> I remember that