[13:14] <smartboyhw> scott-work, ping
[13:45] <smartboyhw> zequence, you here?
[13:46] <smartboyhw> LOL
[13:50] <contrapunctus> Haha
[13:50] <smartboyhw> LOL
[13:51] <contrapunctus> smartboyhw, see if you know something for this - download a file in Firefox, then 'open containing folder', it uses nautilus =\ How can I make it use Thunar? O_o
[13:52] <smartboyhw> contrapunctus, default file manager?
[13:52] <contrapunctus> ?
[13:53] <smartboyhw> "Settings" -> "Preferred applications" -> "Utilities" -> "File Manager" -> Choose "Thunar"
[13:57] <contrapunctus> Ah.
[13:58] <contrapunctus> Never saw that there o.o
[13:58] <smartboyhw> contrapunctus, :D
[13:59] <contrapunctus> Excellent, worked! Thanks ^^
[13:59] <smartboyhw> contrapunctus, np
[14:00] <contrapunctus> ...damn, I just realized this was all in the dev chan. Sorry. >_>
[14:01] <smartboyhw> contrapunctus, LOL
[15:53] <smartboyhw> Hi zequence 
[19:32] <zequence> ScottL, Good day
[19:45] <jussi> right, so I fixed the ops call in #ubuntustudio, not that we use it much
[19:49] <astraljava> jussi: Great! So when are you gonna fix the naming convention?! *smirk*
[19:52] <jussi> astraljava: to be deadly honest, the care factor for anything like that is less than 0. you are an op, why dont you fix it?
[19:55] <astraljava> I'm with ya on the care factor, honestly. :)
[19:57] <contrapunctus> Naming convention? O_o
[20:03] <zequence> contrapunctus, Hey, would you like to help out with something concerning development?
[20:04] <zequence> I see you hanging around here, so I thought maybe we could put you to some use :)
[20:09] <zequence> There are many things you can do, no matter what your skill set is
[20:11] <contrapunctus> Sure
[20:12] <contrapunctus> But I'm just a musician...I'm told I have good English though, so docs or something, maybe?
[20:15] <contrapunctus> zequence ...?
[20:17] <zequence> contrapunctus, Docs , absolutely
[20:17] <contrapunctus> Yay.
[20:17] <zequence> contrapunctus, We might need help with posting news, and creating them
[20:17] <contrapunctus> This be volunteer work?
[20:18] <zequence> contrapunctus, Yes. We are all volunteers 
[20:18] <zequence> Ubuntu Studio is a volunteer project
[20:18] <contrapunctus> I can do the news thing, but I need to know how much time am I expected to give per day before I sign.
[20:19] <contrapunctus> *I am
[20:20] <zequence> contrapunctus, Oh, don't worry about time. Whatever you feel you can spare. Important thing is you feel it's fun
[20:21] <zequence> Doesn't need to be a long term commitment. 
[20:21] <zequence> contrapunctus, Are you subscribing to the ubuntu-studio-devel mail list?
[20:22] <contrapunctus> Non.
[20:22] <contrapunctus> Not yet.
[20:23] <contrapunctus> zequence, what do I do there?
[20:23] <zequence> contrapunctus, Please do. subscribe to it. We do a lot of discussion there
[20:24] <zequence> contrapunctus, Do you subscribe to any mail lists?
[20:24] <zequence> There's also the ubuntu-studio-user
[20:25] <zequence> contrapunctus, You'll find links to both at the bottom end of this page https://ubuntustudio.org/support/
[20:25] <contrapunctus> I subscribed to LAU, but its pointless, I don't post.
[20:25] <contrapunctus> I just read the archives :)
[20:25] <contrapunctus> Am I required to post there or just read? o.o
[20:26] <zequence> contrapunctus, No need to post. Usually, you'll post if you have opinions about something, etc
[20:27] <zequence> contrapunctus, Here's an overview of blueprints for this cycle https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/RaringBlueprintsCategories
[20:27] <zequence> Each blueprint has a set of workitems, that anyone can assign to themselves
[20:28] <zequence> Also, anyone is able to add workitems to blueprints
[20:28] <zequence> contrapunctus, You'll need a launchpad account to edit
[20:28] <zequence> contrapunctus, Just have a look at blueprints that might interest you
[20:29] <contrapunctus> zequence ...you're Ailo? O_o
[20:29] <zequence> contrapunctus, Ah, yeah :)
[20:30] <zequence> I changed my nick
[20:30] <contrapunctus> Ah.
[20:30] <contrapunctus> What's Raring?
[20:30] <contrapunctus> 13.04?
[20:30] <zequence> Yep
[20:30] <zequence> Raring Ringtail
[20:33] <ttoine> hi
[20:34] <zequence> contrapunctus, If you haven't done so already, get yourself a launchpad account. https://launchpad.net/
[20:34] <zequence> ttoine, What's up?
[20:35] <ttoine> falktx has updated Ardour for 12.10 in his repos
[20:35] <ttoine> and so, I can use LV2 plugins on the current version of Ubuntu
[20:36] <contrapunctus> Hm...kinda confusing to understand, zequence.
[20:39] <ttoine> zequence, and you, still at the uds ?
[21:50] <zequence> ttoine, Sorry, I had to disappear for a while
[21:52] <zequence> I'm still in Malmö, which is in Sweden, next to Copenhagen, Denmark. Will return home to Gothenburg tomorrow
[21:52] <zequence> Had to book a hotel for this night
[22:10] <ttoine> zequence, ok
[22:11] <ttoine> hope for you that your trip to home will be good
[22:13] <zequence> ttoine, Thanks. 
[22:13] <zequence> ttoine, btw, as you probably read in the mail list, ScottL is taking charge of the PR stuff, so please do talk with him about what you would like to do
[22:13] <zequence> I guess, he'll first want to set things up
[22:28] <ttoine> zequence, I saw that. An d I am not very surprised
[22:29] <ttoine> I can't spend so much time as he does on Ubuntu Studio
[22:29] <ttoine> I just hope that he will let a place to others, like me, to do some stuff with PR
[22:30] <ttoine> Because previous Ubuntu Studio leader, Cory, wanted to keep maximum control, and that was the reason why I left the devel time at this time
[22:30] <ttoine> We need to build a community
[22:31] <holstein> ttoine: glad to see you are back!
[22:32] <ttoine> the devel team
[22:32] <zequence> ttoine, Yea, we absolutely do need freedom to work independently. It's the only way for the team to grow
[22:32] <ttoine> holstein, thanks
[22:33] <ttoine> and things have to be splitted depending on the skills
[22:33] <zequence> I think we need to have some sort of consent within the team about a range of things, but at the same time, each one responsible of their area should be able to make decisions on their own
[22:33] <ttoine> for example, I would like to create a Youtube channel, for video howtos
[22:34] <ttoine> zequence, I just hope that our current leader will listen to that ;-)
[22:34] <zequence> ttoine, We still need team leads for some things. I'm the doc lead, for instance. And I would consider ScottL as the lead for the still not existing public relations team
[22:35] <zequence> But, I consider that more of an administrative role, to assure quality
[22:35] <holstein> you can still do PR though, if you want
[22:36] <ttoine> I don't think it is as thing to do alone
[22:36] <holstein> PR?
[22:36] <holstein> you can get a few people and do it
[22:36] <holstein> im just saying, if you want to do PR, no one is stopping anyone from doing that
[22:36] <holstein> there is just a plan in motion, somewhere in the works
[22:37] <ttoine> I think that, as we have a wordpress based website, we should all have an account. and use it to suggest posts. etc... then, the choosen editors can put online what is good
[22:37] <zequence> ttoine, Sounds like a good idea
[22:37] <holstein> i would actually like to see some press other places
[22:37] <zequence> ttoine, You are free to add workitems for things like this on the public relations blueprint
[22:37] <holstein> other folks talking about it... and link that to the ubuntu newsletter
[22:37] <zequence> holstein, Check out the blueprint to see some suggestions
[22:38] <holstein> yeah, i've seen it.. im just saying what im willing to take on, and plan to do at some point
[22:38] <holstein> i got a bit more work to do though before i can get into it
[22:38] <zequence> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-r-public-relations
[22:38] <holstein> still, im just talking about from a mind-share perspective
[22:39] <holstein> i would like to see things addd to our worpress, sure, but i would also like to just see a general buzz about the project
[22:39] <holstein> i would like to get back to working on jono
[22:39] <zequence> We should use as many channels as possible, I think. As much as is practical and makes sense
[22:40] <holstein> jono could help US a lot.. 
[22:40] <zequence> holstein, What's jono?
[22:41] <holstein> jono bacon?
[22:41] <holstein> the ubuntu community lead.. who makes music.. using windwos XP
[22:42] <holstein> and im not attacking him for that decision.. i just would like to help him add ubuntustudio to his music workflow and help with a buzz
[22:45] <astraljava> Really? Makes music with XP?
[22:45] <zequence> I think if you guys keep working on ScottL and shooting ideas, this things could be wrapped up pretty soon
[22:46] <zequence> Like within a week or os
[22:46] <ttoine> a lot of people use XP and Mac, even if they are fan of Ubuntu or LInux
[22:46] <zequence> There isn't that awful much that needs to be decided before starting to post stuff, I imagine
[22:46] <holstein> sure, but jono is not a "fan" of ubuntu.. he's the #2 guy
[22:46] <astraljava> Well Macs I understand a little better, but XP?
[22:47] <holstein> i mean, use what you want... i just recorded at sirriusXM today, and they all have XP running.. but they dont advertise and promote ubuntu
[22:47] <ttoine> because when you know it well, it can be very stable for music. there are plenty of hardware and software available
[22:48] <zequence> I personally had a much easier time on XP than on Mac, when I was still using both
[22:48] <holstein> yeah, but jono should be using it... its quite equivalent to a desktop user saying "i know windows and word"
[22:49] <zequence> Mac had a lot more issues in the past. Probably not true anymore
[22:49] <holstein> and im not saying, lets go give him a hard time.. i really just want to teach him to use ubuntu for music production.. so he'll talk about it
[22:50] <astraljava> Yeah, the blaming will get us nowhere, and I don't care enough to even get started. Was just wondering. :)
[22:50] <ttoine> holstein, so you will take the time to make him change his soundcard if it's not handled by alsa or ffado ?
[22:51] <holstein> ttoine: i would send him one in the mail.. and have offered
[22:51] <ttoine> because around me, the only thing people are saying is : yes, ardour is great. But there near no good plugins to work with. I can't open my previous work. What's up with my commercial plugins ?
[22:51] <ttoine> etc.
[22:52] <holstein> ttoine: its a matter of time, and learing JACK, and the software
[22:52] <ttoine> I don't think so
[22:52] <holstein> ttoine: thats what jono said
[22:52] <ttoine> for example, Harrison Mixbus, based on Ardour, is a great software
[22:52] <holstein> when i left him no other option (excuse)
[22:53] <holstein> ttoine: when folks talk about plugs, they are talking about vst's.. instruments
[22:53] <ttoine> but it is very good on Windows and Mac because it can use commercial plugins
[22:53] <ttoine> it is not possible easily on Linux
[22:53] <holstein> we dont have ones that folks like
[22:53] <ttoine> holstein, no
[22:53] <holstein> ttoine: i dont think thats up for debate, man
[22:53] <holstein> ttoine: we dont have them
[22:53] <ttoine> I speak about recording audio. so commercial compressors, eq, etc...
[22:53] <holstein> they arent available
[22:53] <ttoine> yes
[22:54] <holstein> ttoine: those users are mis-informed and not looking for alternatives
[22:54] <ttoine> hum
[22:54] <holstein> ttoine: they want the exact plugs they use
[22:54] <ttoine> I just think that this is one of the reason why Jono still use XP
[22:54] <holstein> ttoine:  hes says instruments
[22:54] <holstein> drums
[22:55] <holstein> vbsvst's
[22:55] <holstein> vst's*
[22:55] <holstein> anyways, you can ask him
[22:55] <ttoine> yes
[22:55] <holstein> im just saying what i see, and have encoutered
[22:56] <holstein> when folks say "i dont have a verb" and i suggest one, and they try it, they usually accept it
[22:56] <ttoine> One of my good friends sampled zynaddsubfx sounds he created, and then, go in XP to use them in fruity loops
[22:56] <holstein> the instruments... we dont have those quite as nice and easy
[22:56] <holstein> zynadd is a great example.. or the current yoshimi
[22:57] <ttoine> Perhaps, we should reference somewhere all the commercial native plugins and insturments for Linux available
[22:57] <holstein> ttoine: they arent included though... which is another challenge
[22:57] <holstein> unfortunately, i think folks come to ubuntustudio to save money
[22:57] <ttoine> They don't need to be included. But we have to speak about them
[22:57] <holstein> ttoine: wont hurt
[22:58] <holstein> ttoine: harrison and mixbux wnated to list ubuntustudio as the official supported distro
[22:58] <holstein> ttoine: i think we missed the boat on that though
[22:58] <astraljava> holstein: Do you remember the project, some music professor started, to record all instruments of a symphonic orchestra, and release them under some CC license? Whatever happened to the project?
[22:58] <holstein> ttoine: i see it at AVlinux..
[22:58] <holstein> astraljava: lsd would remember... open orchestra
[22:58] <holstein> something like that
[22:58] <ttoine> yes. but think that at the moment, UbuntuStudio is the only easy to install multimedia linux distro at the moment
[22:59] <holstein> nah.. AVlinux is nice
[22:59] <astraljava> holstein: Ok, thanks.
[22:59] <holstein> very nice... and some other spins... kxstudio.. etc
[23:01] <ttoine> holstein, what do you use for your own productions ?
[23:01] <holstein> ttoine: my studio rig is running ubuntustudio 10.04 with the kxstudio ppa's added
[23:01] <holstein> i have a 12.10 install on that machine for testing as well
[23:02] <holstein> i have 12.04 installed most other places... though i check out avlinux each new release.. and use it for troubleshooting
[23:02] <holstein> its a great live CD... and a nice distro
[23:02] <holstein> its dying off though :/
[23:10] <ttoine> holstein, that what I woulf like to notice : AVlinux is dying. 64Studio is not updated for a long time ago, Garbure too, ...
[23:11] <ttoine> With the workshop I do, I see that there are a lot of people looking at us at the moment
[23:12] <ttoine> and not necessary because they want to save money. Some are just day to day Ubuntu or other Linux distro users, wanting to use it for multimedia production
[23:13] <ttoine> at the moment, it is like Ubuntu is seen just as a good distro for server, cloud and office
[23:13] <holstein> kx is still around.. av just released.. though 64 has been dead, and openDAW is not happening
[23:14] <holstein> ttoine: thats great!.. in the buisness i am in, which is the music buisness, no one knows about US
[23:14] <ttoine> for home, if the coming of valve and blizzard give us access to commercial games, a lot of users will come to Ubuntu. And they all say "I want to make short family movies", etc...
[23:14] <holstein> its either protools, or you aint doing it right
[23:15] <ttoine> holstein, yes... too bad...
[23:15] <holstein> i try to show what ubuntustudio can do... but its not easy as just installing the softare and loading it up
[23:15] <ttoine> I use kxstudio with Ubuntu, and Ubuntu Studio, it is a great addon
[23:16] <holstein> i think we can get some buzz doing though
[23:16] <holstein> i dont even want to personally address what ubuntustudio can replace
[23:16] <holstein> i just want to show what im doing with it, and make folks want it
[23:16] <ttoine> holstein, when I come with a standard live usb of Ubuntu Studio, show that it runs on any laptop, with a firewire or usb sound card, and that you can record etc... it is impressive. But people I see are all hobbyists, or floss enthousiats
[23:17] <holstein> ttoine: i think thats great thogh.. and it doesnt hurt to spread the word!
[23:18] <ttoine> yes. One major release for Linux will help us : the video editor "Lighworks"
[23:18] <holstein> yup!... are you following that ttoine ?
[23:18] <ttoine> if it really happens, we will have a serious pro video editor available. And for free for hobbyists
[23:18] <holstein> where are we with it?
[23:18] <holstein> i think steam is going to hel ptoo
[23:19] <ttoine> holstein, one of the thing I do best is following and finding news on what interest me ;-)
[23:20] <ttoine> holstein, it is official that they release the best parts of Lightworks as an Open Source software. Their economic model is freemium : you pay for restricted codecs modules, etc...
[23:21] <holstein> ttoine: i hope that doesnt keep us from being abe to include it by default
[23:22] <holstein> well, im almost home after 7+ hours in the car!... bbl
[23:23] <ttoine> ok
[23:23] <ttoine> holstein, me too. It will be far better than Cinelerra...
[23:30] <ttoine> good night !