[00:00] ozzzy: stale lock files? for firefox it would be ~/.mozilla/firefox//lock [00:00] yofel: after i save series, i need to run again quilt? [00:01] simplew: just run debuild [00:01] tks... lemme check [00:01] ozzzy: that would be my first guess if it's really not running [00:02] yofel: debuild or dpkg-buildpackage? [00:03] just use debuild as it's less to type... [00:03] yofel: but whats the difference? [00:04] simplew: please read the debuild manpage [00:04] esp. the DESCRIPTION [00:10] yofel: continues not building, but before, i have changed sources to raring, dont i need to change the distro version anywhere also? [00:11] what does it fail with this time? [00:11] and no, it will simply build using what you have and for the release you are running [00:12] normally the release is set in the changelog file, but that's only when you upload to debian or launchpad [00:12] yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1327890 [00:12] did you really disable the patch? doesn't look like it [00:13] wait [00:13] that's your old paste [00:13] yofel: yes i did disabled the patch [00:13] oh [00:13] let me check again [00:13] yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1327913 [00:14] you modified these files by hand, which isn't allowed unless done by quilt: [00:14] network-manager-0.9.7.0/src/nm-device.c [00:14] network-manager-0.9.7.0/src/nm-manager.c [00:14] yofel: i did not [00:15] you did, by accident, by wrongly applying a patch or however else [00:15] yofel: so whats my chances now? i need to do all over again from the beggining? [00:15] just unpack the source somewhere else again and copy the original files over [00:15] ok [00:19] yofel: to check the patches is to run with quilt push -a ? [00:19] yes [00:20] another stupid question.... why might dolphin NOT want to go to details mode [00:21] actually... it won't change view modes at all except for 'root' [00:23] yofel: quilt has to be run from what dir? [00:24] source dir [00:24] as it'll look in debian/patches/ for the patches [00:25] but im inside network-manager-0.9.7.0 and says cant find series file [00:26] did you set QUILT_SERIES? [00:26] er [00:26] ups, sorry :) [00:26] QUILT_PATCHES [00:26] done [00:26] (as I said, put that in your .bashrc, you'll need it ;) ) [00:26] also done [00:27] yofel: this is the first output i got http://paste.ubuntu.com/1327943 [00:28] yofel: so those are the patches i need to disable, correct? [00:28] simplew: only dhcpv6-duid-support.patch fails, the others are fine === thelionroars is now known as thelionkingroars [00:31] yofel: ok now quilt is happy, im gg to debuild [00:32] yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1327951 [00:33] same issue as before, and same fix [00:33] ok is commencted that patch [00:34] yofel: im having the same problem as before [00:34] and i did erased the previous files, got a new ones and made the all process all over [00:34] hm... [00:34] havent touched in any files manually [00:34] only in series [00:35] try running 'dpkg-source --commit' [00:38] yofel: the problem seams to be caused by i have runned "quilt refresh" like was specified in the first build error [00:38] so i got a new source file, changed series and run debuild, and now is building [00:38] o.O [00:39] yofel: because when i run quilt refresh it did said some about those 2 files [00:39] yofel: rpm build its far more simple [00:40] a few years ago the patch management in debian was rather sloppy, and patch systems were optional. But that made some packages rather hard to maintain [00:40] now patch management is really strict. you just have to get used to it [00:40] here i go again with another build error [00:41] yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1327970 [00:41] simplew: delete and .symbols file in debian/ [00:41] s/and/any/ [00:42] yo, anyone use mutt for their mail program? [00:43] yofel: symbols? [00:43] ah ok [00:43] yofel: and now? [00:43] those files contain library symbols so you can track ABI changes when updating a package [00:43] now just build again [00:44] for exmaple now in rom i could just run "rpm -ba --short-circuit foo.spec" to get the binaries build since the make part was already done, is possible that with debuild? [00:45] debuild -nc [00:46] my next linux project will be to configure mutt to send and receive email from two custom google apps domains, and my gmail account. This will be my biggest and most difficult project. My past triumphs include getting *both* my sound, and graphics cards working [00:47] yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1327984 [00:47] looks fine, it just failed because -us -uc was missing [00:48] the build went fine though [00:48] yes [00:49] I estimate that this project may be impossible [00:50] yofel: now regarding the other subject, if i want to move to devel, i changed the sources to raring like you told me, but isnt there anything else to do? [00:51] nothing except 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' [00:51] i.e. just installing updates as usual [00:52] yofel: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [00:52] lsb_release -r says what? [00:52] Release: 12.10 [00:53] :/ [00:53] can you please pastebin your sources.list? [00:54] but still, I shall try, even though I suspect it is a fools errand [00:54] yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1327994 [00:54] xixor: you won't know until you try ;P [00:55] * yofel never used mutt, but needs to fix the mail relay setup on his server too one of these days [00:56] I liken mail configuration on linux to a Brazilian airport. A chaotic mishmash of ignored standards, and none of the involved parties communicating with one another, yet, somehow, mail (or passengers), get delivered. [00:56] simplew: you didn't switch everything. Try it with 'sudo sed 's/quantal/raring/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list' [00:57] yofel: i changed what was possible to change from muon sources === nick is now known as Guest8483 [00:57] that's not everything [00:57] yofel: i didnt knew, as you know im new to deb [00:58] simplew: if you ever have system issues later, support and discussion for +1 is in #ubuntu+1 [00:58] yofel: yeap i know, so your not running raring [00:58] simplew: I did tell you to edit /etc/apt/sources.list - I intentionally mentioned the filename [00:58] * yofel has: Release: 13.04, so yes I am [00:59] :) [01:00] yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1328007 [01:00] seams the extras for raring are with problems [01:01] ah, comment the lines for that out (line 49 and 50 in you sources.list) [01:01] the partner and extras archive don't really exist for devel. As one is 3rd party stuff and one is for new packages that are added post-release [01:02] they're initialized a few weeks before release [01:03] yofel: when doing an upgrade isnt possible to put apt listing the new packages but also showing the versions (instead just showing packages names)? [01:04] apt-get can't do that, you can try aptitude's ncurses UI if you want [01:04] yofel: yes, how? [01:04] 'sudo aptitude', you might need to install it [01:11] yofel: yes i get it, so isnt possible to have by default apt-get showing also the version instead just packages names? [01:11] not that I know of, maybe you'll find something in the manpage or so === thelionkingroars is now known as thelioncitizenro [01:21] ok :) [01:21] reboot === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang === thelioncitizenro is now known as thelionroars === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_aw === nick is now known as Guest75663 === raindog is now known as Guest72702 [02:59] help - something happened to my 12.10 install? all my fonts are tiny, any suggestions? [03:00] dougla: I don't have kubuntu handy, but maybe try changing the DPI/font settings in system settings? [03:00] I can't remember where it is... workplace appearance, or application appearance, or some junk [03:03] xixor, looking - thanks... [03:04] thing is system is too tiny to use. [03:05] ha ha, tha tsucks [03:05] dougla: maybe do a mv ~/.kde ~/.kde_old and reboot? [03:16] hey guys [03:16] i have seen people using kubuntu 12.10 with a kind of flip thru preview function, of windows open, anyone know how to set that up?? [03:18] ssasori, move your mouse left upper corner [03:18] yes, it's in one of the system setting menus [03:18] setup the hot corners [03:18] OerHeks: top left doesnt work, my menu bar is at the top. so that is where kmenu is now [03:19] xixor: where is hot corners? [03:19] sorry, havent been back on kde long. 1 day. been years since i have been on here, was on gnome [03:19] It's in the corn-maze that is called system settings [03:19] lol [03:20] window behavior? [03:20] I am on windows 7 right now... I can't remember where it is. One of the dozen or so places in system settings where you configure kwin [03:22] wow found video wall.... nice... but not the thing was looking for. lol [03:28] xixor, gott er back now - lol that was hell [03:28] Hi [03:28] dougl: what did you have to do? [03:29] ssasori: sup [03:29] SergioAD: sup [03:29] application appearance and then config the individual applications [03:29] xchat and konsole [03:30] I need help: after upgrading my system the user management kcm has been disappeared how can I reinstall it? [03:31] xixor: not much, checking online to see if i can find it. found a whole bunch of other cool stuff. not what i am looking for though. very happy to be back on kde tho, so much better than before [03:32] believe me I'm really desperate :( [03:36] somebody can help me please? :( [03:37] the PC where I use Kuuntu is a shared PC so I need three users: my KDE version is the 4.9.2 thanks to Kubuntu backports [03:47] lol [03:47] shit, I just spent 60 minutes explaining, and justifying twitter to my mother in law, but I am not a twitter use, or ever really used it [03:48] and I gotta say, I made a pretty good sell [03:48] mothers in law are always offtopic === spawn[dead] is now known as spawn57 === cendres is now known as ashes === ubuntu is now known as Guest6378 === shumski__ is now known as shumski === shumski is now known as shumski__ === shumski__ is now known as shumski === raindog is now known as Guest93643 === thelionroars is now known as zombiesimba === zombiesimba is now known as thelionroars === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio__ === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_aw === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [10:41] Hey all [11:33] hi, i have a fun one: I enabled guest account but the screen lock means that they can't get in without a password. sup wit that? === yofel_ is now known as yofel === sharky is now known as sharky1 === sharky1 is now known as sharky2 === sharky2 is now known as sharky === BouibMiam is now known as Bouib === csh is now known as Guest90730 === paolo is now known as faLUCE === spawn57 is now known as spawn[dead] [13:21] Hi everyone.. Is anyone there? [13:21] myounis: Yes, it is quiet though. Do you have a question? [13:24] Hello ! [13:24] I've a small problem : [13:24] !ask| tobiasBora [13:24] tobiasBora: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [13:24] hey lordievader.. Nice to see you. I don't think you'd be rememering my problem last time. It's same. it solved for that time but when I rebooted the system it became slow again.. So I again went to Desktop settings and switched the compositing type to xrender and than to opengl.. [13:24] and I have to do it everytime I reboot the system [13:25] myounis: Ah yes, you had installed the driver for your card right? [13:25] I updated recently in Kubuntu 12.10 and some programs are in french (my language), but others are in English, like Amarok or my network manager. In 12.04, they were in french, so I don't understand why they are in english now... [13:26] (sorry lordievader for the several lines) [13:26] no.. i didn't.. probelm started when I changed teh desktop setting to desktop cube [13:26] tobiasBora: Don't worry, it's better than using as punctuation :) [13:27] tobiasBora: the translation handling changed a bit in 12.10, can you check if frensh is in the list of preferred languages in the locale settings? [13:27] *french [13:27] myounis: What does the jockey say? "jockey-kde" in a terminal. [13:29] yofel: yes I've put "french" in the left window part in "favorite language" [13:29] tobiasBora: try to add it on the right side === rajesh is now known as Guest59819 [13:29] euh sorry right (writting mistake) [13:30] did that install anything? [13:30] yofel: yes [13:30] yofel: I don't remember the packages name, but if my memory is good yes [13:31] is amarok translated now? [13:31] no [13:31] ok, let me check something === Vito_away is now known as Vito [13:34] yofel: And in Amarok I tried to go in "Help/Switch language", but French isn't in the big list ! It's very strange : serbe language is present but not french... [13:35] lordievader. It think you're talking about the yellow splat symbol with an exclamation mark in it.. It just says taht Ubundu has experienced an internal error. and tells to restart the computer [13:36] tobiasBora: true, amarok 2.6 is missing any french translations [13:37] myounis: No I'm not actually. Do you know how to open a terminal? [13:38] yofel: but in kubuntu 12.04, french was present... I'm sure because before I typed "note:>2" and now I've to write "rating:>2" [13:39] Don't you think it's a more general problem ? Because a second application has the same problem : network manager [13:39] *management [13:39] Oh.. are you talking about terminal/shell.. of course I do.. I got confused with jocky and thought you are asking about the thing that shows errors [13:40] But don't know how to use KDE-jocky in terminal [13:40] tobiasBora: amarok 2.5 still had french translations, 2.6 dropped them and I don't offhand know why [13:40] the amarok developers simply didn't ship them [13:40] myounis: No the jockey is a gui for installing gfx drivers. So run "jockey-kde" in a terminal. [13:41] yofel: Oh ok... So I've to wait for an other release ? [13:41] okay [13:41] I'm going to try to write to the developper to see if it's normal [13:43] lordievader, it says that no proprietary drivers are in use on this system.. [13:43] myounis: Ok, are there drivers available? [13:43] Hi i want an app for remote control like teamviewer any suggestions? [13:43] nop [13:44] i dont like teamviewer because it depends on wine [13:44] myounis: What does the command "lspci -v|grep VGA" spit out? [13:44] thanks yofel [13:44] zizi: Take a look at the VNC or RDP protocols. [13:45] ? [13:45] zizi, http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/linux.aspx , no wine required for the deb package [13:45] It came out with this..: [13:45] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 04) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) [13:46] yeah i installed the deb package still needs wine [13:46] where does it say it needs wine in the dependency list ? [13:47] just starts wine [13:48] when i start teamviewer [13:48] myounis: That explains why there aren't any drivers. Let's put your cpu in performance mode, perhaps that helps. sudo cpufreq-set -g performance (you might need to install some package for this). [13:50] zizi, ok , then there's no real linux version , it has the emulator built in ...this borders on a scam. [13:50] lordievader what packages.. and do I have to install them before running this command or after? [13:51] Wine Is Not an Emulator ;) [13:51] tobiasBora: no problem, I can only tell you that theoretically there are french translations. But amarok 2.6 Final doesn't include them. [13:51] myounis: Simply run the command, if it misses something it will complain about it. [13:51] yofel: and you don't know if there is a package to install it ? [13:52] so is there any other app? [13:52] tobiasBora: all translations that we have are part of the amarok-common package. You'll have to ask the amarok developers what happened to the french ones [13:52] tsimpson, what's the prper term then, if quacks like duck , walks like duck, looks like duck ..it's duck :) [13:53] lordievader. it says command not found. can you type the command again? [13:53] it's an API compatibility layer, it just "translates" the WinAPI calls to native OS (Linux) calls [13:53] yofel: I just asked in #amarok and this is the answer : the french translation wasn't complete enough to include for 2.6 unfortunately, due to manpower issues on the kde french team. should be back for the next version [13:54] tobiasBora: once amarok 2.7 is out it'll be backported to 12.10, so you'll have to wait [13:54] myounis: Ah, server command is different from the command on my laptop: sudo cpufreq-selector -g performance [13:55] lordievader..still.. command not found [13:55] yofel: what backported really mean ? It'll be in a ppa, or in the main kubuntu repositories ? [13:56] tobiasBora: first in the kubuntu backports ppa, but it should end up later in the official repositories [13:57] myounis: So it isn't something in the base install: sudo apt-get install cpufrequtils, then try the commadns again. === david is now known as Guest17904 [13:59] lordievader.. it's installing.. whta's cpufrequtils btw? [14:00] myounis: Tools for changing the clock frequency of your cpu :) [14:00] Oh.. okay.. [14:01] lordievader. I ran the command.. but the commands you gave earlier still don't work.. [14:02] yofel: a long time after ? [14:02] myounis: What do you get when you type: cpufreq (let bash autocomplete) [14:03] tobiasBora: hard to say, depends on who does it, that it's not forgotten, and on how responsive the ubuntu backports team is [14:03] lordievader. bash doesn't autocomplete [14:03] I tried [14:04] tobiasBora: there will be an announcement on kubuntu.org when 2.7 is out which will tell where you can find it [14:04] yofel: ok, thanks for your help ! [14:05] myounis: That is very odd, does it autocomplete for other commands? [14:07] lordievader. no it doesn't autocomplete but when I press tab a coupld of time it give back options.. [14:07] myounis: Does it give options for cpufreq ? [14:07] here is what I got for sudo cpufreq-... [14:07] cpufreq-aperf cpufreq-info cpufreq-set [14:08] myounis: Ah so it is the command from my server: sudo cpufreq-set -g performance [14:08] okay [14:09] lordievader. it gave an error... "Error setting new values. Common errors:" [14:10] and there were couple things that followed [14:10] myounis: Can you pastebin the errors? [14:10] okay [14:15] lordievader. check this id 37511 on http://www.letscopypaste.com/ [14:18] myounis: There is an easier way to pastebin: [14:18] !paste | myounis [14:18] myounis: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [14:19] myounis: But that aside, can you pastebin the outcome of sudo cpufreq-info? [14:25] is there a ncurses gpu monitor for my nvidia card? [14:26] can anyone explain why after having trouble with my fonts my e-mail printout are like printzilla (huge font and a few line email prints across several pages)? [14:30] sorry for late.. I tried pastebin, but I don't know why the stupid telecom authority of my country has blocked the site.. I'll tryy ubuntupaste [14:31] lordievader check it out here.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1329281/ [14:33] myounis: Could you include sudo cpufreq-info too please? [14:33] okay [14:34] lordievader here is the result of sudo cpufreq-info http://paste.ubuntu.com/1329293/ [14:36] myounis: Hehehe, there is the problem. [14:36] :) where? [14:36] myounis: This error might also relate to the slow performance of the system. [14:36] myounis: "no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU" <- that line. [14:37] oh.. so how can i get rid of it? [14:37] how can I sovle this problem? [14:37] dougl, what are looking to monitor on your gpu ? [14:39] myounis: Do you know what cpu is running in your system by any chance? [14:39] BluesKaj, the useage and temp if I can but mostly usage thru ssh while I play a 1080p movie in xbmc. [14:40] BluesKaj, is a fanless asus nvidia gt520 [14:41] my microsoft remote just worked (almost) with my 12.10 install... controlled xbmc right out of the box except for an ok key or a select key - anyone have any thots on where to start to look for config for remote? [14:43] dougl: I don't know anything about xmbc but you will have a .lircrc directory in your home directory. LIRC is the IR control program. Likely the button assignments will be somewhere under that dir. [14:44] DarthFrog, good show... thanks I will start digging there. [14:44] Actually, it's .lirc not .lircrc. And my button assignments for MythTV are there. [14:45] DarthFrog, you run mythfrontend and desktop same time dual head? [14:45] dougl: You will also want to look at /etc/lirc/ [14:46] dougl: Not anymore. My backend server is downstairs, with my NFS box (11 TB total storage). My frontend machine in the living room runs off an 8 GB USB stick. And I have the frontend running on both mine and my wife's computers. [14:46] lordievader.. I'm using dell optiplex 280.. I don't know what cpu it uses' [14:47] myounis: "cat /proc/cpuinfo" will tell you. [14:47] myounis: Or "dmesg | less". [14:47] DarthFrog, wierd no lirc config dirs on 12.10 install [14:48] dougl: Then it must not be using lirc. [14:48] myounis: Probably a Pentium 4, but run DarthFrog's command. [14:48] if not lirc then what - lol [14:48] vendor_id : GenuineIntel. model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz [14:49] i did run the command.. it came out with info that i just shared [14:49] dougl: Now you're going to have to read the instructions for xmbc. Or go on their IRC channel and ask. [14:50] DarthFrog, very well then - thanks for the help :) [14:52] myounis: Did you try out the live-cd/dvd/usb? Did it have the same performance penalty? [14:54] lordievader.. I'm running dual boot.. with windows.. and window work fine.. [14:55] myounis: Have you tried the live-cd? [14:56] i think i haven't.. [14:57] myounis: Then I advise you to test it, perhaps something changed that is lowering the performance. [14:58] okay.. i'll do it [14:59] lordievader.. thanks [15:00] myounis: No problem, hope this test will give you some insight into the problem. [15:02] lordievader.. hope so.. :) === giovanni is now known as Guest3487 [15:33] what is going on with my 12.10 install installed mplayer or mplayer2 and my fonts went tiny (unreadable) butchered them back to normal size now I have some huge fonts some normal font and some microscopic fonts - this 12.10 feels alot like a microsoft experience - any help would be appreciated. [15:34] how to install nvidia driver 12.10 [15:34] !find jockey [15:34] Found: jockey-common, jockey-gtk, jockey-kde [15:34] !info jockey-kde [15:34] jockey-kde (source: jockey): KDE user interface and desktop integration for driver management. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.7-0ubuntu11 (quantal), package size 9 kB, installed size 112 kB [15:35] brijesh, ^ [15:35] ok sir let me try -_- [15:36] dougl mplayer isnt really that much kubuntu, maybe check your gtk settings panel? [15:36] heinkel_111, in system settings? [15:36] dougl yes [15:37] not sure if the problem is there [15:38] most kubuntu users can do withhout mplayer (amarok, dragonplayer, kaffeine) are som alternatives that play better with our desktop, which means it doesnt do unexpected things to our settings [15:40] bazhang, done thanks [15:41] welcome brijesh [15:50] heinkel_111, I cannot find my gtk settings pannel - is there another way to get to those settings? [15:52] heinkel_111: Maybe yofel already mentioned it to you, the download page is updated, CD is now DVD === Vito is now known as Vito_away === spawn[dead] is now known as spawn57 [17:30] trouble upgrading kubuntu using update-manager -d and even iso image [17:30] I use Kubuntu 12.04 LTS amd64 version [17:35] hey anybody? [17:35] I searched whole internet [17:35] no words about this [17:36] You are updating or upgrading? [17:36] Upgrading to Kubuntu 12.10 [17:36] Why? [17:36] Don't know [17:37] I wouldn't recommend it. [17:37] Even iso bootable doesn't show upgrade opiton [17:37] No, I mean why do you want to upgrade? [17:38] Telepathy [17:38] Can telepathy be installed in 12.04 with KDE 4.9.1? [17:39] that I don't know. I guess it would depend on the version of the program you want to install. [17:40] okay [17:40] Still, I don't recommend upgrading to an Non-LTS version of Ubuntu. [17:40] LTS or Long Term Support releases are more stable than the non-LTS releases are. The non-LTS releases are really alphas and betas for the next LTS. Ubuntu (and all Ubuntu forks) come from Debian. Debian uses 3 repos ... debian-unstable where the newest software is at, then once it's matured, it goes into debian-testing, from there once the next version of Debian is set to be released and the distro is frozen, everything is moved into [17:40] debian-stable, and this is where all final Debian releases come from. Ubuntu LTS (and thus its' forks) are ultimately sourced from debian-testing whereas the NON-LTS releases of Ubuntu (and it's forks), ultimately come from debian-unstable --- which is called "unstable" for a reason... it's unstable. 12.10 is an unstable release. [17:40] ok [17:43] hi guys, i tried to install the game 'guild wars' with wine ... im ingame right now but 21 frames per second and when im turning left or right they drop to 1-2 ... the wine setup is Win XP ( dx8 / noshaders) .. my hardware : i5 @ 3 ghz, Radeon hd 6870, 4 GB ram === andrea is now known as VLanX [17:45] WineQQ: you'll get more/better help in #winehq than in here [17:46] ok thx then i ll try that :) [17:48] sup [17:48] if spidy ever comes back tell him/her that ktp 0.5.1 is in https://launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/+archive/ppa for precise [17:50] if i am in guest and i switch to a regular user and switch back the screen is locked and i can't unlock it [17:51] any ideas? [17:54] vincenzo ci sei? [17:57] vincenzo scrivi /join#ubuntu-it e batti enter [17:59] vincenzo scrivi /join#ubuntu-it e batti enter [18:02] ma dove sto?! [18:02] vincenzo tu mi vedi? [18:03] vincenzo scrivi /join#ubuntu-it e batti enter === spawn57 is now known as spawn[dead] [18:34] hi [18:34] excuse me please, I'd need help with KDE4 [18:34] sup [18:35] sup xixor [18:35] !ask | Marius80 [18:35] Marius80: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [18:35] KDE4 is actually playing "Eastern" with me, wherein KDE4 is the easterbunny [18:35] means: There is a task manager showing "buttons" referring to all the opened windows, right? [18:35] in the panel... [18:36] hard to explain, but actually it's pretty simple as well [18:36] the "buttons" change places all the time [18:36] Marius80: Perhaps a screenshot can help. [18:36] !paste [18:36] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [18:36] so if I think to know where for example "firefox" is or "kwrite", the next time it will be on an other place [18:36] lordievader, I am typing, not pasting [18:37] Marius80: It was more for if you wanted to post a screenshot... [18:37] actually I would need to make a video [18:37] it's so crazy, you need to see that [18:38] I even know the reason for the problem [18:38] but I cannot find a way to solve it without recompiling kde [18:39] lordievader, I am going to explain it: [18:39] Marius80: What are the settings for your task-manager? Specifically Grouping and Sorting (and maybe the filters) [18:39] No grouping [18:39] and the most important thing causing the problem: [18:39] [x] Force row settings [18:39] Maximum rows [2] [18:40] normally, KDE4 would place the windows from the left to the right, row-based, [18:40] since I tell KDE4 to force my row settings, it starts like in kde3 (what I want) and does it column based [18:40] [ window 1] [18:40] tl;dr [18:40] [ window 2] [18:41] then I open a 3rd window, and now it happens: [18:41] [ window 1] [18:41] sorry, forget about that [18:41] I start from new: [18:41] [ window 1 ] [ window 3] [18:41] no, wrong again [18:41] sorry [18:42] It made my head go crazy [18:42] [ window 1] [ window 2 ] [18:42] [ window 3] [18:42] heh, thats it [18:42] do you get the problem? [18:43] Marius80: That is your begin situation? [18:43] no, I am going to make a post at pastebin [18:43]