[00:01] <tdignan> whats ugly about it :)?
[00:01] <tdignan> it's called a theme
[00:01] <bandit-led> again he says that cause he has been programing in qt since 99
[00:01] <tdignan> qt is nice too, but eh
[00:01] <bekks> who said that?
[00:02] <tdignan> I'd use Qt if I wanted to write a cross-platform desktop app, because I like pyqt4
[00:02] <tdignan> but if I was going to write for the linux desktop, I'd use GTK, because that's what I typically use.
[00:02] <bandit-led> oh and gtk doesnt ship on most recent distros i think the whole qt gtk thing died years ago looks like i was mistaken
[00:03] <tdignan> gtk doesn't ship on recent distros!?
[00:03] <tdignan> That makes so little sense. I'm fairly certain I'm staring at much GTK right now
[00:03] <bandit-led> it was a joke ;)
[00:03] <tdignan> oh ok :)
[00:04] <bandit-led> most of the required files are installed for both qt and gtk now its really a mute point
[00:04]  * tdignan cranks it up to 11
[00:04] <tdignan> So guys, Linus uses Gtk
[00:04] <tdignan> https://github.com/torvalds/subsurface
[00:04] <tdignan> also, he hates C++
[00:04] <tdignan> and you should follow him blindly
[00:04] <tdignan> so Qt is out, see ya
[00:06] <bandit-led> oh lord
[00:06] <bandit-led> this is so 99
[00:07] <tdignan> desktop apps are something like steam engines now :)
[00:07] <tdignan> gotta use HTML5, obviously.
[00:09] <bandit-led> people are here good maybe you can help
[00:10] <bandit-led> i keep getting complete lockups with latest kernel
[00:10] <bandit-led> latest video drivers as well
[00:10] <bandit-led> screen does does not crash but i cant use kyb or mouse
[00:10] <bandit-led> no killing and no ssh
[00:11] <bandit-led> have to hard reset
[00:12] <tdignan> sysrq magic works though, right
[00:12] <bandit-led> no
[00:12] <bandit-led> nothing!!
[00:12] <tdignan> I'd confirm that it's indeed a kernel issue and not a hardware one
[00:13] <bandit-led> i have been having this issue for 6 months and kept hoping it will be fixed
[00:13] <bandit-led> thats what i need the help with
[00:13] <tdignan> I used to have a computer that froze to deadlock, and it was caused by an overheating hdd
[00:14] <bandit-led> wouldnt that through a warning with hddtemp
[00:14] <tdignan> it didn't
[00:14] <bandit-led> no no errors
[00:14] <tdignan> if you use a livecd does this problem happen?
[00:14] <bandit-led> its baffiling my
[00:14] <bandit-led> some times yes tdignan
[00:14] <bandit-led> this is an ivy bridge build
[00:15] <tdignan> i'd put my money on hardware
[00:15] <bandit-led> yes but what would lock it up and not allow a sysrq?
[00:15] <bandit-led> and no obvious errors
[00:16] <tdignan> anything that undermines the system beneath the kernel, such as overheating hardware, or cosmic rays
[00:16] <tdignan> boot into the bios next time it happens and check the temp of things
[00:16] <bandit-led> i have temps are normal
[00:17] <tdignan> key 	the key to
[00:17] <tdignan> sorry*
[00:17] <bandit-led> i keep Hardware Sensors Indicator running and every thing is normal
[00:17] <tdignan> what if you switch your video driver to vesa
[00:17] <tdignan> i had a system lock up from some bad options in an nvidia driver once
[00:18] <bandit-led> thats what i run in the livecd and it will lock up as well
[00:18] <bandit-led> there are tons of bugs with these same problems but no one has any ideas
[00:18] <bandit-led> i even removed my fbconsole to make sure that was not the issue
[00:19] <bandit-led> there have been bug reports for months with this issues and i cant seem to narrow anything down and no one else can either
[00:20] <tdignan> well sorry to hear it man. good luck. I had systems before that locked up, throwing them away was satisfying.
[00:21] <tdignan> this laptop has a couple very minor issues, one of which I can fix soon.. a loose headphone jack.. Other of which I'll just deal with.. a flaky left USB port.
[00:21] <tdignan> I got what I paid for.
[00:21] <bandit-led> sure i waited 4 years for a new build and i have no more money i will just buy a mac :P
[00:21] <tdignan> cheapest laptop in the store, but with Linux it's blazing fast and lean on memory. Even when I'm using eclipse.
[00:22] <tdignan> figure out what's wrong with it and replace the offending hardware
[00:22] <bandit-led> hmm thats an idea where to start
[00:22] <bandit-led> nothing in any logs any where and no warnings or errors
[00:23] <tdignan> open the box and look for bad capacitors, they will look round on top
[00:23] <tdignan> perhaps be leaking acid or rusty
[00:23] <tdignan> check the power supply
[00:23] <bandit-led> i dont have a side on my box and there are no bulging caps
[00:23] <tdignan> take it to the geek squad
[00:23] <tdignan> ;)
[00:23] <bandit-led> ahahaha
[00:25] <bandit-led> i like the bog report from 10-26-2012 where they asked the person to bisect from 3.2.0-23.36 to 3.5.0-17.28 and find the problem
[00:25] <bandit-led> bug'
[00:57] <tdignan> yeah, that's a common response to bug reports
[00:58] <tdignan> "where's the patch?"
[04:37] <gnomefreak> not a wholw lot of updates this week
[04:38] <gnomefreak> whole
[10:41] <BluesKaj> Hey all