[03:06] looks like bedsie .... [03:18] http://goo.gl/yFOzQ [06:37] Hi [06:38] Does Ubuntu 11.10 support 4G LTE USB Modem MF880T? [06:38] kaushal: what happened when you plugged it in? [06:38] MartijnVdS: sure [06:39] kaushal: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2061426 ? [06:39] kaushal: it links to a thread on how to fix it if it doesn't work out of the box [06:40] kaushal: I just googled "MF880T" and "Ubuntu", first hit [06:43] MartijnVdS: ok [06:45] MartijnVdS: usb-devices does show the details [06:46] MartijnVdS: shall i pastebin the output of usb-devices [06:48] kaushal: just follow that forum thread [06:48] kaushal: it explains all [06:48] ok [06:51] MartijnVdS: but i dont see it being seen in my NM Applet? [06:51] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1328442/ [06:53] MartijnVdS: let me try some few more steps [09:05] ali1234: Turns out on another page of the BIOS I was able to disable Secure Boot all together and change the boot devices mode to accept another type of device other than UEFI compatible ones [09:18] Morning [09:27] morning. Sunny, bright and cold here. Rather nice :) [09:34] time to get the wife's tender plants under shelter and under the watch of my viglen mpc controlled plant watcher (need a better name for it) [09:34] yes, I'm still using an mpc! [09:41] danfish: Mine constantly thermal shutdowns :( [09:41] good morning eveyrone. [09:42] daubers: then stop trying to play HD movies with it ;) [09:42] morning brobostigon [09:42] morning danfish [10:09] morning [10:10] morning [10:11] morning Seeker` and AlanBell [10:11] cold pizza, the breakfast of champions [10:11] never tried that. [10:12] kvarley: cool. did it fix your graphics problems? [10:13] ali1234: Going to find out later. Got some work on at the moment. Will let you know. Thanks for all your help yesterday btw :) [10:53] I see Apple have updated their website :) [10:53] http://www.apple.com/uk/ legal notice at the bottom [11:04] ali1234: 1204 hangs on the splash screen. Gonna just install 1210 and try not to break the drivers [11:04] AlanBell: love how they are still putting it as far down the page as possible [11:06] i appear to have broken 32-bit opengl on my 64-bit system [11:06] popey: have you installed the :i386 versions of the libraries? [11:07] 1328841 [11:07] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1328841/ [11:07] i wonder why totem is no longer keeping my screen from going off... [11:07] see ^^ [11:07] popey: cool === WillemTheMarxist is now known as RaycisCharles [11:09] suggestions welcome [11:09] does the machine actually have the ATi drivers? [11:10] as it's trying to do something with libdrm-radeon [11:11] no [11:11] its all intel, my x220 [11:11] try also installing libdrm-intel1:i386 [11:12] instead of the radeon one [11:13] well, i get the intel one installed, but the libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 still isnt installed, and still wants the ATI one [11:14] that's weird.. you'd think it would depend on one of the libdrm-* libraries [11:14] not all of them [11:15] aptitude is having a fit trying to resolve this [11:15] you're not running R yet are you? :) [11:15] nope [11:15] 12.04 [11:16] open: 8513; closed: 47648; defer: 431; conflict: 721 oNo solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n] [11:16] nice [11:17] aha, i think i got something from a ppa! [11:19] \o/ fixed [11:20] ppas bad? [11:21] somehow I had a manually installed library [11:21] 2.4.39-0ubuntu1.0~ppa1.1 [11:33] Ubuntu 12.04.1 hangs on splash screen. I've disabled secure boot and am not booting UEFI mode so I have no idea why it won't boot. [11:33] Can't get access to any shells [11:34] aloha [11:35] \o czajkowski [11:36] * kvarley breaks out the alternative installer ... [11:54] Hi all, im typing this from my new (1 hour old) 12.10 install, so far working great [11:54] so good work devs [11:55] yay [11:55] sup popey [11:57] Where do i report a simple bug for battery charging weirdness? [11:57] what's the issue? [11:58] when i unplug my laptop charger the laptop freaks out and ubuntu warns the battery flat, 0:01 mins remainning, then it goes back to 3:59 [11:58] remainig [11:59] I'd let it do a full charge / discharge cycle before filing a bug [12:00] i think upower does some kind of battery profiling so it knows how long it should last, but needs to 'learn' that [12:00] madpup: it takes a while for the battery status to "settle" after disconnecting power [12:00] also, what popey said [12:00] ok, will do. [12:00] thanks all [12:07] since I updated to 12.10, the battery monitor says I haven't got a battery [12:08] not picking up the mini fusion reactor I've got powering this laptop either :/ [12:12] sorry no idea === issyl0 is now known as Guest13833 [12:15] not a big problem. Will debug sometime. === Guest13833 is now known as issyl0 [12:16] danfish, does the magic "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" pull anything in? [12:19] popey: only something about poppler [12:22] I did some messing around with this laptop when I got it experimenting with an external battery monitoring circuit. Probably a user bug, rather than an ubuntu bug! [12:25] ali1234: I get "PXE-E61: Media Test Failure check cable" when my BIOS posts but my SSD shows up and I can boot from SSD. Is that just a pointless message or could that be affecting my ability to install Ubuntu? [12:26] Alternative installer doesn't see any partitions on my SSD when there are existing partitions on the drive [12:26] Something weird is going on [12:27] CD installer fails checksum test ... doh [12:54] Haha, I hate it when that's the issue [12:54] Just get into the idea of some protracted set of troubleshooting and experimenting, then realise it's just the Universe being annoying [12:56] hey BigRedS [12:56] was good to see you at UDS! [12:56] fun games :) [13:00] Ah yes! I think I'll be buying a set of those cards [13:03] hi everyone [13:04] I'd like ot ask if someone could help me break a ubuntu install [13:04] What sort of breakage? [13:05] right, I know a guy who is an idiot, a danger to himself any anyone who gets close [13:05] He's set himself up doing PC repairs, I wouldn't trust him to open a can of beans though! [13:05] So I want to pull a prank on him [13:05] cliftonts: kinda unfair, give the guy a break [13:06] have you ever seen it where someone tried to install windows over ubuntu and just got an error on boot that said GRUB ERROR 1? [13:06] Samsung 535U3C-A02UK - Ubuntu 12.04 freezes at splash screen. Ubuntu 12.10 doesn't give me a GUI. Any ideas? This is beginning to get really annoying. [13:07] czajkowski I'm not exagerating, this guy has owned 4 boats, sunk 3 of them and sailed the 4th into a wier [13:07] he couldn't fix his own pc to save his life, he shouldn't be tinkering with other people's property if he's not up to the task [13:10] kvarley: s this the liveCD? [13:11] BigRedS: Yes. I'm just trying 12.10 off a disc then I'm going to try the alternative install. Last time the alternative install didn't copy to my USB stick correctly so it wouldn't see any existing partitions [13:11] If so, try the alternate CD [13:11] ah [13:11] So, can anyone suggest a way to set Ubuntu up that would break any attempt to install windows in it's place? [13:11] Sounds like you want secure boot [13:12] Not really - Windows would just overwrite whatever's in the Ubuntu [13:12] haha, yeah [13:12] Secure boot with a custom key for Ubuntu [13:12] on an old laptop kvarley [13:13] yeah, though you'd need to sign the windows installer, otherwise it'll fail at that bit [13:13] bigreds years ago when I tried to install windows it would result in grub error 1, I can't recreate that issue now tho [13:13] If he installs windows on his machine over ubuntu then surely it's his problem if he messes its up? [13:14] no kvarley it would be my machine and I want grub to get in the way [13:14] cliftonts: that's just where you've not fully installed the windows loader [13:14] not sure how you do that [13:14] AlanBell, I thnk the house opposite's Door is wide open .. just saying. [13:14] nor me, I need to figure this out [13:15] grub can't reallyt get in the way - OS installers trump any existing permissions unless they specifically decided to honour them [13:15] bootlkjkgf: that is a passageway between the houses there [13:16] that's a pain in the backside. My plan revolves around him not being able to install windows over the top [13:16] liftonts: Is this guy a client or a friend? [13:16] Oh Ok. [13:16] that is two houses, I think their "front" doors are left and right off the passage [13:16] cliftonts: Is this guy a client or friend? [13:17] kvarley neither, he's an idiot who thinks he can be an IT technician [13:17] he once destroyed someones PS3 without their knowledge so he could find out if the blu ray drive would fit his pc [13:17] imagine someone like that let loose on your laptop [13:18] Wow that was a big bus. [13:21] cliftonts: Why not just give him Windows with a limited user account? [13:21] what? [13:21] cliftonts: Even more restrictive a network boot windows install [13:22] I someone to go to him and say 'I just bought this laptop and windows doesn't work' [13:22] install ubuntu, hide the spash screen, auto loging and the awesome window manager [13:22] it'd blow his brain! [13:22] cliftonts: Lol sounds like you have a passionate hate for this guy [13:22] *hatred [13:23] kvarley I really can't express enough how dangerous it is for this guy to be doing this to the public [13:23] but I've known him for years and the opportunity for a practical joke is too big to miss [13:24] Aah! What if I password protect the bios and set it to boot off the hard drive before all other devices and disable the F12 option? [13:24] That'd work [13:24] are there not more productive things you can do with your weekend? [13:24] * kvarley agrees with popey [13:25] A lot of effort to give the guy grief [13:25] popey, if you knew him you'd be reaching for your video camera and booking a front row seat [13:26] cliftonts: If he breaks his laptop will you be paid to fix it? [13:26] kvarley it would be my laptop he would break and no [13:26] cliftonts: I really don't understand the situation lol [13:26] cliftonts: You don't like a guy so you are letting him use your laptop but only with Ubuntu on [13:27] ok, from the top: [13:27] idiot starts pc repair business [13:27] idiot is going to break any computer he touches [13:27] * popey goes to make flapjack with the kids [13:27] his tag line on his business card is 'if it's broken, I can fix it!' [13:27] I want to give him a machine where he won't know where to start [13:29] Fit a read only hard drive [13:29] Or take the hard drive out [13:29] And put an sd card in read only mode [13:29] a read only hard drive? [13:29] Not sure if they exist lol [13:29] I don't have the kit to do an SD card [13:30] I'd give up [13:30] That or just install Ubuntu [13:30] nah, trust me the opportunity is too good to miss [13:30] I'm going to install ubuntu [13:31] cliftonts: Chromebook ;) [13:32] cliftonts: he won't know what hit him [13:32] MartijnVdS, are you paying for that?? [13:32] cliftonts: I have one [13:32] would you risk him breaking it?? [13:32] no [13:32] hmm [13:32] exactly [13:33] he's getting a celeron with 40gb hdd, I don't care if he kills it [13:33] I just threw out an old machine (PII/III) with bad caps on the mainboard [13:33] see how he copes with bad caps! :) [13:33] lol [13:34] * kvarley1 has found a pc that can't have Ubuntu installed on it! =/ === kvarley1 is now known as kvarley [13:34] damn this is annoying, I can't disable f12 [13:34] cliftonts: on what? [13:34] kvarley1: :( [13:35] Dell Inspiron 1300 [13:35] what does F12 do? [13:35] boot menu [13:35] MartijnVdS: I've tried USB and disc installs of Ubuntu 12.04.1, 12.10 and 12.10 alternative [13:35] Surely the bios password locks you out of f12 tho? [13:36] If I set it to hard disk first then disable the boot menu and put a password on the bios he'll be stuck [13:36] kvarley: you think? [13:36] cliftonts: Yes. [13:36] cliftonts: He won't be stuck [13:36] cliftonts: All he has to do is look up online how to clear the CMOS [13:37] kvarley: you still aren't getting how monumentally thick this guy is are you? [13:37] and the boot menu still works with the password [13:38] cliftonts: Doesn't take a genius to put "lost bios password" into google [13:39] he's not a genius, he's barely a vegetable [13:39] cliftonts: Just get over your hate for this guy. Don't waste your time trying to make his life hard. [13:39] * kvarley is afk [13:43] got it! [13:44] oh dear https://www.facebook.com/ubuntulocoteams/posts/390603791007654 why people file bugs via FB I do not know [13:47] s/file bugs via// [13:48] guys, is there a way to chasn [13:48] change the account ubuntu one client is linked to? [13:49] cliftonts: log out, then back in with new account? [13:49] cliftonts: are you still trying to trick your mate [13:49] System settings -> Ubuntu One [13:50] MartijnVdS I don't see any way to change the details, or log out [13:51] cliftonts: have you really nothing better to be doing with your week than trying to fool him [13:51] czajkowski: some people are 12 ;) [13:52] czajkowski: the way i see it, proving to him that he's not capable is doing many people a favour [13:52] cliftonts: thats wrong, many people come here with issues and we try and help, I dont see why we should go out of way to trick people [13:52] cliftonts: you've often come here looking for help on stuff you don't know [13:53] cliftonts: would you like us to go out of our way to trick you [13:53] czajkowski: You must be great fun at parties with that sense of humour! [13:53] anyway must dash, I need to swap my donge to the other pc [13:53] I am you know [13:53] lol take care [14:11] * BigRedS vouches for czajkowski being hilarious [14:13] at times [14:13] MartijnVdS: always in fact! [14:13] czajkowski: Ok [14:16] haha [14:24] * MartijnVdS tries to find a place that can print panorama pics properly [14:38] Do I install the FGLRX driver or the FGLRX driver with post-release updates? [14:39] Ended up going t mobile with a gig .. Better than nothing [14:39] more updates is generally better [14:39] but generally advice is to not use fglrx unless you need to [14:40] BigRedS: Well screen brightness doesn't work without it so I have to =/ [14:40] Had bad experiences with fglrx in every install [14:40] kvarley: neither [14:40] I've never had issues ... until now [14:41] I've _always_ had issues with both nvidia and fglrx [14:46] Do you think this will work without FGLRX installed? [14:46] https://launchpad.net/samsung-tools [14:50] yes [14:51] MartijnVdS: :) [15:02] MartijnVdS: I can't use unity 3d without FGLRX? [15:02] Or do I have to manually install the open source drivers? [15:02] nah, the open source driver is the default [15:02] Well, it doesn't let me in unity 3d [15:02] but basic 3D support should work.. [15:06] MartijnVdS: It lets me in but doesn't do the workspaces properly [15:07] MartijnVdS: I'm gonna try FGLRX because the brightness control didn't work [15:08] On the plus side [15:08] My laptop is now lightning quick [15:08] Ubuntu + SSD <3 [15:27] So strange - I have a "AMD Unsupported hardware" watermark on my screen after installing FGLRX but everything works functionality wise [15:27] too new! [15:27] MartijnVdS: The hardware? [15:27] yes? [15:28] It's an AMD A6-4455M which has Radeon 7500G graphics so it's not really new [15:28] It is trinity tho I think [15:28] then it might be too old? [15:28] So that's kind of new [15:29] MartijnVdS: It was only introduced in Q2 of this year apparently [15:33] * Neoti_Desktop Networking, VoIP, Systems Geek for hire! [15:34] MartijnVdS: A newer version of catalyst is available so I'm gonna try that [15:34] MartijnVdS: Ty for help :) [17:36] kvarley: that bios message means that the bios is trying to PXE boot from the wired ethernet but no network cable is connected so it failed. you can disable PXE boot in the bios or just ignore it [17:37] it's for diskless machines which boot from a server basically so you don't need it. it can be useful in certain situations (like kernel development) but you can always enable it again. === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [17:41] cliftonts does indeed need secure boot to pull off his prank [17:42] however, for the reasons eimon pointed out yesterday, it won't work on an x86 platform, because the user can just turn it off [17:42] so actually password protecting the bios would work better [17:42] then he'll have to open the machine to unplug the nvram battery [17:49] ali1234: I suspected that was it but wanted to check. I disabled the option in the BIOS and all is well. Was just checking that it wasn't a potential HDD/SDD problem [17:50] ali1234: I finally have Ubuntu 12.10 installed [17:50] ali1234: Alternative 64-bit installer, ethernet install, using Guided paritioning [17:50] ali1234: Using the FGLRX drivers, with samsung-tools for brightness control settings, hiding the watermark that says unsupported hardware [17:50] ali1234: Thanks again for all your help :D [17:51] cool === mh0` is now known as mh0 [19:13] popey: on your nexus does the sound always start up muted? [19:23] which log file. in /var/log , shows the boot messages output? [19:23] czajkowski, bug 1068804 [19:23] Launchpad bug 1068804 in ubuntu-nexus7 "sound only works after suspend/resume cycle" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1068804 [19:24] czajkowski, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7 is worth a browse [19:26] popey: thanks [19:26] loving it this evening [19:39] popey: Do you know if there are any triaging rules for the ubuntu-nexus7 stuff? I mean when should stuff get triaged to ubuntu-nexus7 as opposed to unity or the appropriate X package? [19:40] penguin42: teams/develoeprs tend to like to triage their own bugs [19:41] czajkowski: I'm on bug-control&squad so do a general set of triaging of bugs [19:42] penguin42: if in doubt triage to nexus7 and let them re triage from there [19:42] czajkowski: Hmm ok, that's interestingly different from every other platform [19:43] penguin42: well how else will you knw as it's rather new [19:43] czajkowski: but it's the same components isn't it? [19:45] czajkowski: I can see adding ubuntu-nexus7 as an also-affects to a bug which is on the particular package [19:45] fair enough. [19:46] is it possible to grep a the whole of /var/log for a specific string ? [19:47] brobostigon: grep -r [19:47] penguin42: thank you. [19:55] penguin42, if stuff is specific to unity/kernel etc then yeah, I'd add a task for those [19:59] popey: I assume there is a linux-nexus7 or the like? [20:01] so I have a nexus 7 with a bunch of apps and about 6GB of music on it, can I back that lot up, try ubuntu on it and put all the stuff back again later? [20:03] and does bluetooth work on it when running Ubuntu? [20:04] so that rhythmbox could play music to a bluetooth receiver somewhere? [20:14] not that I'm aware of penguin42 [20:14] we need to fix these in distro itself [20:20] popey: Ah there is a linux-nexus7, but it's in the ubuntu-nexus7 ppa [20:21] AlanBell: if bluetooth doesn't work, and you want it to work, if you send me a nexus 7, i will make it work :) [20:22] wow, that Ubuntu on the nexus 7 thing is cool [20:22] AlanBell: One of the Knownissues listed is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/1070770 [20:22] Launchpad bug 1070770 in ubuntu-nexus7 "bluetoothd dies with glibc malloc memory corruption when used with brcm_patchram" [Medium,Confirmed] [20:22] wtb dual boot [20:22] AlanBell: i.e. bluetooth doesn't work [20:23] wow, fail [20:23] ok, thanks penguin42 [20:23] ali1234: Hey it's new, it needs the bugs beating out of it still [20:23] there's only about three companies that make bluetooth chips and all the chips are either uart or usb [20:24] and they all have drivers [20:24] ali1234: Be careful, ARM stuff tends to be a bit different [20:24] https://plus.google.com/u/0/102921374554385564572/posts/98MpbTnMptE it does look nice running ubuntu [20:24] not at all [20:24] ali1234: Although in this case maybe it looks like just a bluetoothd bug [20:24] nobody puts bluetooth into a SoC [20:25] ARM boards typically use UART mode [20:25] because it's the easiest to do [20:26] i bet that it's crashing because they haven't loaded firmware [20:27] well, actually i bet it's crashing because bluetoothd is buggy [20:27] but the bug is likely exposed because the adapter behaves differently without some firmware... they often need it for high speed mode etc [20:28] yeh it just looks like a heap corruption of sometype from the log there [20:30] * penguin42 should buy a tablet of some type [20:31] i would rather get a nexus 4 actually [20:31] the one with the uber res display? [20:31] I might wait for the nexus 10 [20:31] no thats the 10 [20:31] the 4 is just a normal phone [20:31] ah ok [20:32] we have a nexus 7 but it's primary purpose is to play mary black CDs in the kitchen [20:32] but the interesting thing about it is it's 1/3 the price of all other (smart) phones off contract [20:32] ali1234: How much? [20:32] so if I broke bluetooth audio I might be in trouble [20:32] i can't remember [20:33] https://play.google.com/store/search?q=nexus £239 [20:33] £239 [20:33] ali1234: I only spent about 80 on my Orange San Francisco ~2 years ago [20:33] £279 for 16gb [20:33] ali1234: Low spec though [20:33] orange san francisco was a PAYG [20:33] the nexus 10 is £319 and comes out on the 13th [20:34] and if you stopped buying credit, orange blacklisted the phone [20:34] ali1234: blacklisted? [20:34] so yeah that was a good deal except for those people who bought it and unlocked it and then found it stopped working [20:34] why would you get the nexus 4 over the nexus 7 (159) [20:34] um because the nexus 4 is a phone [20:34] oh, so it is :) didn't spot that! [20:34] ali1234: Hmm interesting, I unlocked it, I've run it on T-mobile before they fully merged [20:35] penguin42: yep. you might find it doesn't work any more now that they have [20:35] ali1234: It's still my daily phone [20:35] i've read lots of reports about this [20:35] anywho, that was a subsidized loss leader basically [20:35] ali1234: I'm perfectly happy for them to subsidise me :-) [20:35] sure [20:36] ali1234: Especially given how tight I am on my PAYG usage [20:36] but the point is, you won't find a smartphone this cheap that is without contract and unlocked [20:37] it's a pretty big move. hardware is pretty average sure, but the other good thing about it is you won't get left behind by operators dragging their heels on updates [20:37] ali1234: It's interestingly nasty if they have been doing that [20:37] that's the main reason i want it [20:37] yeh, reasonable [20:37] ICS runs fine on the SGS so uber hardware isn't everything [20:38] not SGS3, the original one. still really fast. [20:39] http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/orange-san-francisco-blacklisted-help-wanted-1099242 [20:39] loads of threads like that around the internet specifically for that phone [20:40] blacklisting is the IMEI database of stolen phones [20:40] nexus 10 is totally different CPU and GPU to the nexus 7 so I guess Ubuntu on it won't happen for a bit [20:41] ali1234: Yeh, interesting, all at about the same time, last December - I was still on Orange then [20:42] yeah, it will [20:43] nexus 10 has same chip as the chromebook [20:43] AlanBell: But it's the exynos which is pretty heavily supported, so shouldn't be too bad [20:44] well i want one of those too [20:45] in that case :) [20:45] * penguin42 wants a frankenstinien hybrid of a nexus 10 display in the chromebook [20:45] we gave out a bunch of nexus 7's at UDS [20:45] popey: Good way to get people to debug it :-) [20:46] exactly [20:46] that's really funny cos the ideapad that i got at the meego conference has ubuntu on it [20:46] but in this case, it's intended that people put ubuntu on it :) [20:47] incidentally, they gave out ideapads cos they are touchscreen, and the touchscreen doesn't work properly on ubuntu :( [20:50] ali1234: were they given out by canonical developers? [20:50] no, they were given out by intel and nokia, because it was a meego conference [20:51] they were intended for debugging meego [20:51] ah well that might be why, nexus 7 has been picked as that is what the developers are working on, it;s a reasonable price also if people chose to buy one also [20:51] and it's intended to encourage people to put ubuntu on it and help debug it [20:52] i reported a bug: the installer did not support dual booting with ubuntu [20:52] actually the bootloader was the problem, because meego bootloader didn't support ext4 and ubuntu bootloader didn't support btrfs === soreau_ is now known as soreau [21:35] Evening [21:35] How do I report spam in a launchpad bug comment? [21:39] gneel: which bug [21:40] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/177965 [21:40] Launchpad bug 177965 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Multiple Song Properties update problem" [Low,Invalid] [21:40] Comment #9 [21:40] It was closed years ago. [21:40] done [21:40] czajkowski: Diolch yn fawr [21:40] does anyone have a precise machine running - and can tell me whether the output of mount shows / mounted on /dev/root or the real device? [21:41] gneel: eh ? [21:41] penguin42: I'm running precise. I'll check in a mo. [21:41] penguin42: it says /dev/sda1 [21:41] ali1234: Thanks [21:41]