[01:14] <acmeinc1> i noticed a thread on the forum about the rt kernel for quantal.  how could i load this on the lts?
[01:29] <astraljava> acmeinc1: Have a look at here: https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/kernel
[01:30] <astraljava> Since we're on -devel, I trust I don't have to keep my mandatory speech about non-existing support etc. :)
[01:55] <falktx_> astraljava: please don't give me credit for those kernels, they are from abogani
[01:55] <falktx_> I just copied them to be safe
[01:55] <falktx_> sometimes he deletes them
[07:24] <contrapunctus> zequence - Mate, I thought it over, and I'm afraid I will not be able to do it. Too busy struggling as a musician...I apologize.
[07:34] <smartboyhw> Oh no
[08:05] <zequence> Too bad
[08:07] <smartboyhw> zequence, welcome back from UDS:D
[08:08] <zequence> smartboyhw, Thanks. I'm not home yet though. Will be later today
[08:10] <smartboyhw> zequence, good:D
[09:49] <zequence> contrapunctus, I understand. I'm pretty low on time myself - I think everyone are. Don't think you need to make a decision either for or against
[09:50] <zequence> It's not such a deadly serious business being a Ubuntu Studio developer
[09:50] <zequence> And we don't make demands on anyone, cause we know it's tough being able to commit
[09:51] <zequence> contrapunctus, If you change your mind, or just keep hanging around here, you might find something you'd like to do in the future. Don't be a stranger in any case
[13:34] <smartboyhw> Hi ScottL 
[15:28] <smartboyhw> zequence, I have a mind: It is difficult for us to use the mailiing list to subscribe to the bugs, but then why can't we just use the team to subscribe to the bugs? We only have mainly 4 packages: -meta, -default-settings, -look, -icon-theme (some I do not know maybe). It should be easy to subscribe to their bug mails
[15:30] <zequence> smartboyhw, Yes, we should use the team to subscribe to bugs. Right now, the dev team is automatically subscribed
[15:30] <smartboyhw> zequence, then the bug team should too
[15:31] <zequence> smartboyhw, Yes. That is the plan
[15:31] <smartboyhw> zequence, yeah
[15:31] <len-dt> zequence, smartboyhw that is because we own the packages.
[15:31] <smartboyhw> zequence, then just abolish the mailing list no use at all
[15:31] <smartboyhw> len-dt, yes we know;D
[18:07] <zequence> Woa, I wrote some c code. That doesn't happen often
[18:08] <contrapunctus> lmfao, zequence. You're being assimilated into the dev team. Four months later you'll become a programmer xD
[18:09] <zequence> contrapunctus, I do quite a lot of developing, but not in C/C++
[18:09] <zequence> Mostly script.. bash/python and puredata
[18:09] <zequence> You can do quite a lot with python
[18:09] <contrapunctus> @_@
[18:10] <contrapunctus> I learned a little C++...in school. Forgot everything now -_-'
[18:10] <zequence> Yea, I don't remember much by heart. I'm always looking at some reference
[18:10] <contrapunctus> Dunno about other languages but PureData and C++ really make you think in a particular way.
[18:12] <zequence> I'm not very familiar with C++, which seems like a huge language, but in some respect, all the languages are quite simple. The problem is in how to use the
[18:12] <zequence> And most of them are very similar too
[18:12] <knome> hey zequence :) you back home?
[18:12] <zequence> knome, Not yet. Sitting in the bus. Another 20 min or so
[18:12] <zequence> To reach the city, that is
[18:13] <knome> okay, but near enough
[18:13] <zequence> knome, Did you have a nice Friday?
[18:14] <knome> zequence, yup, we went to see the little mermaid and visited the design museum. apart from those, mostly shopping, eating and drinking
[18:14] <zequence> knome, hehe, I usually only enjoy the eating and the drinking myself
[18:18] <knome> well, we had to buy some gifts/souvenirs for SO's
[18:18] <knome> i didn't find any in the city though, so i resorted to the airport selection
[18:19] <contrapunctus> knome, SO's?
[18:20] <knome> contrapunctus, special others, for me my wife and for her, fiancee
[18:20] <contrapunctus> Oh. Lol. :)
[18:20] <knome> her being elizabeth, who i did the tourist stuff with
[18:21] <zequence> Well, nearly there. Time to log off again
[18:21] <knome> see you
[18:25] <contrapunctus> Ciao zequence.
[20:19]  * astraljava thinks the term is 'significant other'.
[20:21]  * knome doesn't think it matters as long as he brings gifts to her
[20:21] <knome> and hey astraljava 
[20:23]  * contrapunctus thinks that was just what I was thinking when knome mentioned it, astraljava
[20:42] <astraljava> Heh, yeah.
[20:42] <astraljava> And was she approving?
[20:42] <knome> yeah.
[20:44] <zequence> Anyone done a Windows system recovery from the recovery partition, but the second partition was not set up with the ntfs file system?
[20:44] <zequence> I hate this..
[20:44]  * contrapunctus hasn't used Windows since about a few years now.
[20:44] <zequence> contrapunctus: Well, you aren't alone in that
[20:44] <contrapunctus> although /me still has Win7 installed, gathering dust.
[20:44] <contrapunctus> Darn.
[20:45] <contrapunctus> Fail.
[20:45] <len-dt> I have many windows in my house, but the format was set when the house was built...
[20:45] <astraljava> Soo... not NTFS?
[20:45] <zequence> The age of windows is over. we now use doors
[20:46] <len-dt> I have some of those too.
[20:46] <zequence> astraljava: I installed Linux on the C:\ partition. Now, I'd like to revert it back to Windows
[20:46] <astraljava> Now you're just showing off.
[20:47] <astraljava> zequence: I have no idea, but maybe you can move the HDD to another box, and have the windows disk utility re-format that partition?
[20:47] <zequence> I guess I just need to learn how to do partitioning and formatting with Windows commands
[20:48] <zequence> I could use an install CD too, but arghh..
[20:48] <ScottL> zequence: i abosultely want to work with ttoine and others to setup a framework where everyone can participate
[20:48] <astraljava> I feel your pain, bro.
[20:48] <ScottL> obviously i don't think having _everyone_ involved in PR is a good thing, however ;)
[20:49] <ScottL> but a small group that is active is certainly desirable
[20:49] <astraljava> Yep, like me, for instance. :)
[20:49] <zequence> ScottL: Hehe. Well, I'm thinking not everyone will be in the end. And I know you are up for it. I just want to see some action from the other guys too
[20:49] <ScottL> i really would also like to see about seeing what plugins are available and also _can_ be installed to push our news to twitter/facebook/ etc
[20:49] <zequence> Right
[20:50] <ScottL> zequence: agreed. it will be interesting to see who is still pushing news in 6 months ;P
[20:50] <len-dt> Or two.
[20:50] <ScottL> len-dt: hehe
[20:51] <ScottL> afk again with the family, i'll be doing stuff later tonight though
[20:51] <len-dt> Last cycle was not overflowing with people :)
[20:51] <zequence> Yea, let's try to change that for this cycle
[20:52] <len-dt> As long as some things get done at some part of the cycle that is ok too.
[20:52] <len-dt> I think The better our product the more interest there is.
[20:53] <contrapunctus> Hey fols
[20:53] <contrapunctus> *folks
[20:53] <zequence> We just need to communicate better, I think. And reach out to the right communities
[20:53] <contrapunctus> Do your families use Linux as well? O_o
[20:53] <zequence> There's room for a lot of improvement in many areas
[20:53] <len-dt> Also it seems there are getting to be less audio distros being maintained.
[20:53] <len-dt> zequence, Always, always.
[20:54] <zequence> Would be nice to get some graphics/video people in
[20:55] <len-dt> Ya, I think getting US to the point where those people feel it is worth installing on their production machine is the first step.
[20:55] <zequence> Ah, yeah. We have jta, and Scottl is also into that. But, we could use some more people giving feedback and ideas
[20:55]  * len-dt  is not a video/movie person.
[20:55] <len-dt> I'd rather read a book
[20:56] <zequence> len-dt: During UDS I realized that all the flavors have more or less the same problem what dev docs are concerned. And, getting more people involved
[20:56] <len-dt> Some of the modern animation is really good though
[20:56] <zequence> My suggestion was to create a universal dev doc for the Ubuntu community. I'll be trying to make that happen now
[20:57] <len-dt> docs are the biggest problem in Linux every where that I can tell.
[20:57] <zequence> The other step is to get active with the PR
[20:57] <zequence> len-dt: Also, I talked with David Henningson about the jackd bug
[20:57] <len-dt> PR :P
[20:58] <zequence> len-dt: He was working on it about half a year ago. But, only came a bit closer to the solution
[20:58] <len-dt> I see the need for PR but what attracts me is not interesting to most of the world.
[20:58] <zequence> len-dt: He told me, that if we do find serious bugs, he's happy to help try to fix them
[20:58] <zequence> len-dt: We need to tell people what we want
[20:59] <zequence> In clear terms too
[20:59] <len-dt> zequence, what is happening on the jackd level? is this not generally a problem with other distros then?
[20:59] <zequence> len-dt: level?
[20:59] <len-dt> ya are the jackd devs seeing this problem? or is it a deb/ubuntu problem?
[20:59] <contrapunctus> len-dt - 'docs are the biggest problem in Linux every where that I can tell.' why?
[21:00] <len-dt> It is hard work writing docs, Often a lot of programers are not good documenters.
[21:00] <zequence> len-dt: I guess no one is really wanting to fix it, or not aware of it. That's something we could have done better before. Putting some light on it, and doing bug reports upstream
[21:01] <zequence> contrapunctus: There's a lot of docs that are outdated too. And not only that - you often have to read between the lines to figure things out
[21:02] <len-dt> zequence, the kxstudio version is better. It still crashes some times... but I would say 10x less.
[21:02] <zequence> len-dt: I'm a little clueless to why that would be so. As, I don't think the source is any different
[21:03] <zequence> Haven't checked when it was last updated, but the package in 12.10 is pretty up to date
[21:04] <len-dt> I haven't played that much with 12.10 jackd. on my 12.04 I had the kx version though and then had a jack_control stop as a prestop for qjackctl.
[21:04] <len-dt> I should try the same trick for 12.10
[21:05] <zequence> I'll be looking into that in the coming week
[21:05] <len-dt> I think it is better than a killall -9...
[21:05] <zequence> I never realized David H was from Sweden, btw
[21:05] <zequence> It's weird when you meet people in person too. Not what you expected at all
[21:06] <len-dt> text is a funny thing
[21:06] <zequence> len-dt: If UDS ever comes your way, or you get a chance to be sponsored to go, I highly recommend it
[21:07] <len-dt> Is it always the same time of year?
[21:07] <zequence> len-dt: I guess twice a year, just after release time
[21:08] <zequence> Was never interested before, but since it was so close to home this time I took the chance
[21:08] <len-dt> It may be a few years before I can... after 2015 I expect to travel a bit more.
[21:08] <astraljava> Yeah, usually every other time is in American soil.
[21:08] <contrapunctus> I feel like doing docs...but there's no time, I'm in the 'Linux Audio - create awesome music on Linux and wow people over' department. -_-'
[21:09] <contrapunctus> Well, night folks, it's 2:40 pm here.
[21:09]  * len-dt is retiring at the end of 2015 he may do more work after :)
[21:09] <zequence> contrapunctus: Any links to some of that wowness?
[21:09] <astraljava> 2:40 pm, and he calls it a night?
[21:09] <zequence> len-dt: At the age of 65?
[21:09] <len-dt> 55
[21:10] <len-dt> At most I would go till 60
[21:10] <contrapunctus> www.contrapunctus.tumblr.com ...I'm just a student though. Music made with qtractor and qsampler, scores with MuseScore.
[21:10] <zequence> heh, we're probably going to raise retirement age from 65 to higher around here :(
[21:10] <contrapunctus> Only one track there atm.
[21:10] <contrapunctus> ciao folks.
[21:11] <len-dt> The company I work for has a "bridge" from 55 to 65 (or whenever the gov. pention cuts in).
[21:11] <zequence> contrapunctus: Cool stuff :)
[21:11] <contrapunctus> astraljava : erratic sleeping (as well as the resulting erratic eating times) is an invitation for heart failure -.-'
[21:11] <contrapunctus> Thanks zequence, more to come soon.